Help I am stuck at 1500 feet over NYC and I can't get out

Nice night flying over the Hudson and East River corridors. At the end we have a hard time getting a clearance to go fly back through the Bravo at an altitude for return to Islip. This is a good lesson for any low time VFR pilots on eeping calm and flying the airplane first.

[@tobybucsescu3830]

Hi, some more information for you. I'm a controller at NY Tracon and wanted to clarify some things for you so future flights can go a bit smoother. You seem to know what you're doing, and as you said this was essentially a non-event. Sightseeing up the Hudson is awesome and we are always glad to accommodate Class Bravo clearances as often as possible. Of course you should never plan a flight without taking into consideration the possibility you won't receive a clearance into the Bravo. Firstly, your use of the term "Bravo Tour up the Hudson" is actually confusing. There is the published "Skyline Route" which allows altitudes from 1300-200-ft with a Bravo Clearance which will keep you in LGA/EWR Towers airspace. We (TRACON) sometimes (not often) give aircraft clearances up or down the Hudson at higher altitudes. When you spoke to the first departure controller off ISP, you should have specified the altitude you wanted to fly the river at. This is a minor issue, but it helps for the planning. The climb to 6500ft is standard. You will very very rarely get to transition the NY BRAVO east/west below 6500ft. Now, more to the point, sometimes, you can go overhead LGA toward the Throgs to get back to ISP. Don't ever count on this, but don't be afraid to ask LGA tower. Don't bother asking anyone else except LGA tower(126.05) for this because they won't be able to approve it. One this night you were denied that by LGA twr and told to follow the river north. Your course reversal over CP and down the ER(super cool) was totally fine, just understand that you can't ask LGA tower OR JFK tower for a BRAVO clearance back to ISP from the VZ. They only own up to 2000ft and will never approve it. When you're at the VZ, call NY Approach on 127.3 and tell them what you want. The altitude will be 6500. No Lower. If you can't climb and maintain VFR to 6500, you will be told to remain clear of the BRAVO. (2am might be a different story) You will be forced to fly southbound over Sandy Hook and NJ to 6500 BEFORE you can turn east bound. Meaning don't expect a Bravo clearance direct ISP while still climbing. They need you at altitude. Other then that, keep doing what you're doing. I'm taking flying lessons myself and enjoy your videos.

[@DrPilot]

Thanks so much for the feedback. Yes was pretty much a non event. I have got routed across central park to LGA cab and then throgs neck south direct KISP in the past during the day. Now I have my IFR ticket so I could have asked for a pop up IFR clearance but still would have sent me out to sandy Hook first probably.

[@martintheiss7666]

Hello Toby. Since you are a NY Tracon and I am just a nobody on here is it considered a violation of some trespassing or non-grata FAA law to make a spot decision if you are flying around like this to enjoy a landing at JFK without filing an official plan to that effect? Note I did not say that Tracon and the JFK tower would be left scratching their heads at a UFO not on their approach radio frequencies. They would call in as appropriate.

[@DrPilot]

Martin Theiss SInce KJFK is in a Bravo airspace clearance into the bravo needs to be approved. This is not done for all VFR traffic unless the bravo controller can handle the extra workload.

[@martintheiss7666]

sure but if the plane can be lined up to be dropped on JFK it can happen occasionally?

[@tobybucsescu3830]

If you're asking about landing at JFK, all you need to do is make your request with the controller and they will accommodate you if they can. Sometimes you will be told to expect a 30min delay and you'll have to go somewhere (outside the bravo) the orbit. Often times you will simply be told no. As for whether or not you have a VFR flight plan, we don't care. As controllers we don't even know if you have a VFR flight plan on file or not. We just provide flight following when you ask for it. The VFR flight plan is for search and rescue which will be initiated by Flight Service if you don't cancel your VFR flight plan with them.

[@facetime4me]

Just saw this tho two years old. Have done the bravo tour by day but never at night. Your video is super ! I enjoyed the insertion of stills too. Your radio work is smooth as glass. Well done doc. Thanks for the ride!

[@megadavis5377]

Holy COW! I'm a 26,000+ hour airline pilot, and I wouldn't do this in a million years without an experienced, local GA pilot, AND an experienced NY TRACON controller by my side. Sounds like a new business for a couple of guys... And my hat is to those N.Y. controllers; they are excellent at what they do. Pros all the way.

[@DrPilot]

Thanks for watching

[@Max50ww]

Yes I was quite surprised that there was no hint of aggravation in the ATC's voices. I intend to do the Hudson VFR corridor in the spring of '18. I am one of those amateur VFR pilots that is a bit intimidated with ATC. This video is outstanding for pilots like me! Thanks

[@user-gv7wz2qb7n]

Mega, after 12 years flying the 747 and lots of other airliners, I can assure you that going from an airliner IFR into a Light Twin flying VFR is like going from your living room watching re-runs into a safari in Africa without a flashlight and no BB Gun. Dr. Pilot, you're probably a neurosurgeon. Try doing the job of a Nurse Aide for a day. You'll be just as lost! lol

[@megadavis5377]

Frank U said it, brother...

[@rmsilva4188]

Mega Davis g

[@randyporter3491]

You got some amazing video. I've been flying for thirty years and never tire of the lights at night. Thanks for sharing !

[@DrPilot]

Randy Porter never gets old

[@mrjaycam7086]

Kudos to you for putting this out there for the criticism of the arm chair pilots, and those that forgot where they came from. Excellent learning experience IMO.

[@DrPilot]

Thanks so much for that. I am a surgeon so I am used to getting criticized by peers and not. My attitude is to never let my ego get in the way of possibly improving. That does not mean that I am not confident in my abilities and know those limits. A great pilot uses their superior judgement to avoid having to use their superior flying skills!

[@jamesmharvey]

Great video. Thanks for sharing and allowing others to learn from your experience.

[@DrPilot]

Thanks so much for watching.

[@electricjed]

Dr. Flight , I'd never try this because Im not familiar with NYC, but damn you handled it well and beautiful scenery.

[@crfdln]

Dr. Pilot....I have flown the Hudson Skyline Route and VFR corridor over 60 times, and you did so many things wrong it would be prohibitively time consuming to elaborate here. Suffice it to say....it's easy to see from the video that you are clueless about the NYC Class B Airspace and VFR Corridor over the Hudson River (the so-called "Hudson SFRA"). For starters I suggest you take the FAA online course and exam. Then fly the VFR corridor with someone who has ample experience doing so and can enlighten you. Many CFII's are not experienced in flying the Hudson SFRA. To fly the SFRA you must have a copy of the New York TAC in your plane; not exceed 140 knots; keep anti-collision lights "ON"; keep pos/nav lights "ON"; landing lights "ON" is recommended; self announce at the mandatory reporting points on the Hudson Corridor CTAF (123.05); since there's no place to land in an emergency, take life jackets. For inexperienced pilots, I would advise against flying the corridor on holidays or very clear weather weekend days. It's too crowded. When the Yankees have a home game, their stadium TFR extends out over the east side of the Hudson. If you call for a FSS briefing, the briefer will not advise you of the Yankee Stadium TFR which begins one hour before their home games and ends one hour after the game. You must check the Yankee's schedule yourself during the summer months to avoid the TFR. There's lots more to know so I suggest you check online resources for more information before you fly.

[@georgegagnon4566]

Wow, interesting flight. Never did like that JFK controller when i flew out of Republic(KFRG). Good flying and control.

[@Cherokee140Pilot]

I've done the day flight, but looks like the night flight needs to go on my bucket list. Great video for real world issues, thanks!

[@bigstuff52]

absolutely incredible..thank you..

[@crfdln]

This is what happens when you have an inexperienced pilot trying to fly over complicated airspace like NYC Bravo. This pilot is, in a word, CLUELESS. He needs to do this with an experienced pilot a couple of times. Waaayyyyy too much conversation with ATC on the radio. Doesn't know what he is doing. He has obviously fooled many ppl who are writing comments.

[@skyking7964]

I commend you for keeping your cool job well done!!

[@IzzyFlys1]

Awesome vid as soon as they said unable I thought u may have gone north by HPN then climb to cross sound as backup if anything aswell glad it worked out

[@cherifbar]

Nice work! Scary stuff for me though; even after 35+years of flying! I prefer to fly over sparsely settled areas. Twenty five years ago, I wanted to fly down from Toronto to do that tour(out of Teterboro) during the day. After seeing this, I am glad I did not. You are a brave man Doctor Pilot!

[@midlifeflyer]

If I have the route correct, you ultimately headed back north up the Hudson, then east around Van Cortland Park. I hope to do that tour one of these days, probably out of Islip also. I grew up about 2.5 miles from VZ.

[@DrPilot]

Was fun trip

[@gb2859]

You where playing with your and others life that night ! Anyway wish you further many happy landings.

[@hotttt28]

Sweet flight ,great comments .

[@homecats1]

That was a bold flight with excellent views. Takes lots of confidence to make a flight like that. Glad it turned out safely. To me, not worth the risk of life and limb.

[@DrPilot]

Tim Mokry No real risk here fully controlled with atc

[@899Dakota]

Beautiful footage....

[@stevendegiorgio3143]

That's my home.I learned to fly at Islip.I now fly out of Brookhaven (HWV).

[@standardtoaster4359]

Way after the fact, but curious. How comfortable are you with going over Central Park? I've had luck calling LaGuardia and from the Intrepid, getting over the park, north tip of Roosevelt Island, Bowery Bay, tower cab, south stantion of the Throgs Neck, and on course from there. It's a mouthful and the controllers want to know you're on your A game before they give it to you, but it's a very nice (and FUN) shortcut. All depends on configuration. I'm based out of New Haven. Whenever I'm down in the area, that's my goto return route. I usually get it at 1500 or 2000 feet. Thanks for sharing!

[@DrPilot]

If you watch the video you will see that we went over the park once and back down the East Rivewr. I go over the park frequently and they give me north tip of roosevelt island to LGA tower and south throgs neck then direct KISP. Problem was this night nobody wanted to let me into the BRAVO to do it.

[@Silo-Ren]

Jeez it took me for ever to find this video but I finally got it. Not only do I remember the Ray Ramano halirious comeant but I always wondered if the pilot was just a tad spoiled, scared or really had a genuine beef? I could maybe understand 8 miles out @ 1,400 I believe it was but @ 500 below the bravo off the beach, was that really as dangerous as he claimed. I know there's a huge difference between me simming at home and the real thing, but I just thought even if you'er cleared for vfr you would have the skills to get you through that?

[@kevf4993]

i was a controller at the New York Tracon for 11 years. I do have a couple comments. You remarked a couple times how you were allowed in but not allowed out. Even your clickbait indicated ATC wouldnt let you out. I will have to take issue with that. The controllers offered you more than one way to return to Islip. You made it sound like you were trapped and you werent. You simply chose not to accept what they were offering, which is your preogative. As I'm sure you know, the airspace around NYC is one of the busiest in the world, mainly due to the proximity of three very busy airports. The routes and altitudes given may not always be exactly as the pilot requests due to the density of the traffic in the area, even at night. I think the controllers did a great job, and I am sure you are a competent pilot, I just ask that you try not to shed a negative light on the NY controllers when its not warranted, especially on something like you tube. They work very hard. Thank you.

[@MrRadarrat]

in 1982 I was an AirForce Controller assigned to the common IFR Room...thankfully VFR flights were very limited during the strike. Hats off to the NYC controllers...I fly in and out of JFK a lot as a passanger,and I know y'all are tops.

[@JoshTakesPictures]

I am certain this pilot is actually Ray Romano...alright maybe I'm not certain, but I have a sneaking suspicion.

[@Max50ww]

I was thinking exactly the same! Sounds just like him.

[@JoshTakesPictures]

hahah, I'm glad I'm not the only one!

[@DianaHerberg]

haha... yeah every guy with a thick NYC accent is Ray Romano... lol

[@thesawyer9598]

That was awesome! Thanks

[@DrPilot]

The Sawyer thanks for watching

[@jonf8054]

Definitely a skilled pilot, no denying that. You continued to fly the airplane safely. However, it was a bit annoying when you were denying the low altitude options to get around the NY class bravo. I understand that the situations they put you in were not the most delightful (requiring you to fly at low altitudes at night) bu these things should have been considered before the flight took place.

[@crfdln]

Skilled?? Huh???

[@arrow251]

Light reflections off the canopy looked like fireworks.

[@wjatube]

Amazing video. THIS is a PIC! Am curious why up to 3000 prior to Islip?

[@eddiev737]

Dr. Pilot, I am a flight instructor for the company you rented this 182 from! Its so cool to see your videos that are out of the airports I fly out of. Next time you are around and maybe have a seat to fill in one of your flights, I would love to come along for the ride. I would love to fly with you sometime and email me anytime!

[@DrPilot]

Cool let me know when you are around. Was there yesterday!

[@eddiev737]

Sure! I will be at ISP tomorrow all day with a few students. What is your email if you dont mind? So we can contact each other and not giving away that info on public KZbin comments. lol

[@eddiev737]

Dr. Pilot Are you flying on Dec 16 by any chance?

[@DrPilot]

Yes that is me

[@horacesawyer2487]

My friend, if I was working ATC that night, at some point your seemingly endless changes to this impromptu flight you were determined to make would have driven me close to sending you into deep upstate New York for a different kind of tour. : )

[@marcelodacosta8090]

I was from this area and did get the same when I did take off from Farmindale (FRG).

[@twjohnson1203]

Great night shots of the city.

[@Dimme]

Got any GPS logs from this? =)

[@PaperPilotJack]

1000th Subscriber!

[@JimRobertson60]

Liked the video and thought you did a great job.

[@DrPilot]

Jim Robertson thanks

[@hueyhewlett6930]

I have flown commercially in and around that B airspace daily for the last 5 years and am a retired USMC aviator with 30 years of experience, but your right...... I have no clue what I am talking about.

[@FuriouslyFurious]

"you're"

[@natewatl9423]

Grammar Nazi!

[@BOHICA_]

@@natewatl9423 Looks like he is helping people not look stupid.

[@FuriouslyFurious]

@Carpet Hooligan lol.

[@l2bang3]

That's a little crazy, but really cool.

[@martintheiss7666]

by the way what time is it? You cant tell time by darkness.

[@marvinbryce3734]

I grew up in Queens, I fly out of KLUK. This is on my list of to do.

[@frankeluv]

great job, I enjoyed the video, I'm a cfii out of kdxr

[@DrPilot]

Thanks for watching . My CFI hates that I put these videos up but I think the are good for debriefing

[@UncleWiggy252]

The old "Sandy Hook - Breezy Point Limbo". That's a difficult piece of airspace for ATC to "work" even for local IFR traffic, let alone VFR tours. There are many deals involved here in regard to airspace, weather and active runways at three major Class B airports. I flew NYC airspace for thirty years in light fixed wing. Be prepared to expect the un-expected if you want in. The "VFR" corridors are really intentioned for helicopter traffic off Pan Am or the East River wharfs (especially the East River leg which undercuts the approach to 4-22 at LGA and crosses JFK's Canarsie clearances for 13-31). VFR fixed wing has no business here at all. There is a Caravan on floats that works the East River Wharf and works it like the helicopters do! You can't. The Hudson is legal at 900 AGL but do you want to put in into the river like Sully had to? (Bring the aircraft to the surface without undo hazard to persons or property on the surface...Minimum Safe Altitudes for fixed wing). Helicopters can auto rotate to someplace safe and every NY heli pilot knows where to put it down in the event. If you must transition NYC for fun get a Class B clearance and try to plan at a slow time for traffic (3 a.m. is good, Sunday evening is when all majors are repositioning for Monday morning, not a good time). Call by phone and talk to a NY controller for more info. Never expect to get back through the Class B. If you're westbound expect to be spitted out homeless at Sandy Hook and plan to fly south on the Jersey coast before landing somewhere. The JFK controller who let you through earlier may be dealing with a runway change up at LGA and their day is suddenly ruined. At the same time if EWR is busy working the 4's, you may end up in ACY or NorthEast Philly! Do whatever is safe. Offshore is OK if near, maybe. Victor 135 is a long way off and you don't want it. Going north a turn Eastbound short of Carmel is a gift. Don't abuse it (and send the LGA tower cab a Christmas card next year). If not expect the Alpine Towers to CMK to BDR to get back to Long Island. They're probably landing 22 LGA. The amount of airspace in discussion here is very small and very busy, the busiest in the world. However, many controllers at JFK are bilingual and can greet airliners from all over the world. You may want to try....ahh, I did that once. It didn't go too well. Sure was fun though.

[@mkosmo]

Maybe instead of saying you wanted it "through the bravo" when she asked about under the shelf, a statement of "as high as possible" would have worked.

[@r3poman671]

Oh shit, it's my home airport!

[@willyt7241]

Educational video. Yes, dont accept something you are not comfortable with. But also, ALWAYS have plan in case you do not receive a Class B Clearance.

[@DrPilot]

w turner all true

[@tedhernandez2394]

I thought this guy was ok...no panic and cool....so he may not be perfect, but then again who is? No matter the experience on one's job. The NY/NJ controllers are cream of the crop. Their track record of getting aircraft from all over the world into and out of one of the world's busiest airspace safely, is incredible!! On another note? 9/11 was a fur ball. The controllers all over the country got every aircraft down safely in record time. That in itself proves the professional capabilities of our (USA) Air Traffic Controllers. Bless them!

[@paulsimmons8904]

Ted Hernandez

[@AviatorMike777]

WOW. That was crazy how they had you over the open water like that. Good job at keeping your cool and flying the aircraft. How was your passenger during the ordeal? Were they nervous at all being out over the water and in complete darkness?

[@DrPilot]

+malestock It was sort of a non-event but looks more dramatic on video. I always had a golden out to get home by flying the exclusion northbound where you dont need Bravo clearance. My passenger is a pilot too so he was not nervous

[@AviatorMike777]

Good planning, and nice job!

[@da20eclipse]

You should have flown the JFK exclusion, at or below the shoreline. It’s safe, especially at night when the beach is empty, should you need to get it down. Call Kennedy tower, get a squawk and fly easterly. Pop up and continue east to islip. Simple IMO.

[@tyreekmurillo4524]

u shoulda continued north to van cortlandt park

[@michaeljohn8905]

Im no armchair pilot but i grew up on LI . We all know those guys are busy a heck my only complaint is not repeating back call signs and not using correct phraseology . It teaches us students bad habits. Other than that you guys definitely knew your way around , that area is busy busy busy. I try and be polite but yea you shouldnt let them bully you. Great video.

[@Mike-01234]

It's like your in a helicopter so low over the city if you had an engine issue had to head for one of the rivers.

[@DrPilot]

True

[@Silo-Ren]

Got most of the video since I do sim flights and live smack in the middle of NYC, he actually and literally flew over my home, but what the heck is the "Bravo"? I'm sure it has to do with restricted airspace but to get a better understanding of what took place I would like to know the way points he was trying to vector into? Doc, Doc.....I must know? A little trek levity. He hee

[@svrwthr]

Bravo is B-class airspace. Nope, not a pilot and don't live in a big city, but I do fly a drone, not 107 certified yet but am learning some of the stuff for certification little by little since I live near a class D airport and a multitude of private airports. D would be Delta. They use military alphabet for clarity of letters. Apha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, and so on. Bravo airspace has tiers of levels a certain airport/control point controls. The pilots here could tell you the boundary area around JFK, how high it goes up until the next tier which that circular area is wider up to the next height which then has another wider circular area which extends up to 10,000 feet. When he is flying lower than the second tier, he is technically out of Bravo airspace which another control controls. If he stays at that altitude but comes within the radius of JFK bottom tier area, he enters Bravo airspace again. If he goes to a higher level where Bravo airspace spans out further, then he has to go back to being controlled by JFK. Don't just fly sim flights, learn some of what pilots must learn. These pilots have to know a lot more than flying the plane. Go look up a pilots map once (link below). It is crazy and to think, I have to learn it just to fly a drone commercially and really not commercially, but if someone offers me a beer to fly and video their house, the FAA considers it commercial flying. Thus the FAA requires me to get 107 certified. Here is a link to a diagram of what I tried to explain in my own dumbed down language www.footflyer.com/PPGBibleUpdates/Chapter09/Airspace/AlphabetAirspaceByFootFlyer.gif And here is a link to aeronautic map of the US skyvector.com/

[@121mhz]

Sorry man, but I have to say this was all on you. Preflight planning is absolutely critical. I don't know why you'd think JFK would let you fly right overhead at 1500' but that just doesn't happen. If you weren't comfortable going down to 500' and running the shore, you needed to descend below the Bravo and then fly the exclusion north (below 1300', not 900 like your saying) up the Hudson. Or you could go along Staten Island down to COL VOR and climb to 7500'. Be careful out there.

[@DrPilot]

+121mhz It was not as big a deal as it seemed. I knew I could always just fly the exclusion northbound. In retrospect probably should not have bothered JFK . You live and you learn. No pilots were hurt in the making of this video :)

[@crfdln]

Amen !! This pilot doesn't know what he is doing.

[@MrJeffinLodi]

It's Bravo airspace for a reason.

[@DidivsIvlianvs]

How many buildings higher than 1500? Freedom tower, Empire State mast...

[@DrPilot]

Was not near any of those. I was in the bay outside new york harbor

[@mikehunt2822]

I am a very low time pilot (only about 13 hours pic). Is it not "ok" to get out of your comfort zone? This is what makes you a better more competent pilot. (that doesn't mean to go ifr / imc or do something stupid either) The controller knows what they are doing are are giving vectors for a reason, trust your instruments and you will be fine. Or am I wrong?

[@rty1955]

ATC is there to HELP you and keep the airspace safe. If at anytine ATC requests you do something that is outside your comfort zone, yoy are to inform them of that and either request something else or suggest something that IS in your confort zone. YOU are Pilot in Command, not ATC. Every pilot has their own "comfort zones" and you need to communicate that to ATC when flying. A 13 hour pilot is way different than a multi-thousand hour pilot. Each has thier own comfort zone. Eaxh time you Gobi with a good instructor, he should push you more amd more. A good pilot is always learning. Never be complacent!

[@davejones542]

20:48 - you are just west of La-Guardia turning east straight at them (without asking them before the turn), you get the altimeter readback incorrect (it was 3031) and you ask direct Islip ? - give the controller a break dude!

[@DrPilot]

First off we were about to turn east. Yes I did get the altimeter setting incorrect but the read back was not corrected by controller. In addition I was asking about direct Islip because I was already in the Bravo and was not sure if he was expecting me to go that route .

[@MrJeffinLodi]

I don't know the airspace there, but why didn't you just take their alternate route at 500'?

[@josephdupont]

Something I've always wanted to do but did not have the balls.

[@copkhan007]

For something this adventurous, you need lots of fuel, confidence, experience, nerves, ATC and God on your side. 👈👈

[@martintheiss7666]

In any event I am sure KJFK would have loved to see you if you were flying near the East River and Hudson. Is that a reasonable idea?

[@DrPilot]

Not sure what you are asking. Was talking to KLGA controll over east river

[@martintheiss7666]

Is it considered some kind of trespassing or invasion of a non-private plane airport to ask the ATC system to line you up for a landing at JFK or another such airport out of personal interest despite the fact that you did not file a flight plan for that flight at the moment for said alternative airport.

[@DrPilot]

No not at all. They will usually let you do it if not busy or hold you until they can bring you in. Landing fees are pricey though

[@martintheiss7666]

Cool yes that would be fine if they just hiss and say "come on in as lineup allows." But yes I have not seen the NYNJ PA landing fees table but I am sure it would be on the high end. BTW my home airport would be KRNO if you like to compare facilities.

[@patersonplankrd]

I have been a passenger in a gen aviation aircraft ( friend who co-owned a Cessna Centurion 210) and flew the VFR corridor up(Northbound) the Hudson. We were sent up to Dobbs Ferry before they let us turn right( east). I am not sure of the procedures. Turning right over New Jersey was a bit easier, once clear of the EWR pattern . We always would fly over my house. LOL So I will ask all experienced people on here...Why would this pilot put himself in a position where he was getting bounced from one airport to another?. ... It appears unwise to me. And it seems like he's being a bit of a pain to the controllers ... I don't want to come across a being a jerk here. But in the dozen or so times I was delighted to be a passenger doing these flights, I don't recall having any issues.

[@DrPilot]

Newark controls the corridor below the Intrepid then Laguardia takes over north of the Intrepid. As previously stated I could have just gone north on the VFR exclusion and exited on the north side . I was asking if I could get a clearance east. If I went west and climbed to 7500 MSL then I could have gone over the BRAVO altogether and not had to talk to anyone.

[@patersonplankrd]

@@DrPilot Ok...It just seemed a bit unusual to me because in the flights i took , I did not recall a whole bunch of communication with towers. Of course all these flights were in daylight and in mostly clear conditions. Easy peasey VFR stuff

[@ap5824]

You have balls to do that , unaided

[@hueyhewlett6930]

“Don”t let ATC bully you”? How about knowing the airspace and having the skills necessary to do the mission? Is you can not fly at 500’ off the beach or 1400’ 8NM off shore, then you probably should not be in that airspace at night.

[@DrPilot]

You have no idea what you are talking about

[@youpattube1]

A couple of giggling frat boys.

[@99F]

what does lga twr sy at 10:40

[@DrPilot]

From the Willy B, thats the Williamburgh Bridge

[@DidivsIvlianvs]

Slow down, you move too fast. Got to make the morning last. Kicking down the cobblestones. Looking for fun and feeling groovy.

[@themerrigans2734]

This is why I no longer fly. To many regulations. All necessary but somewhat daunting at times.

[@roberth5435]

Buy a terminal chart. Study it. If you aren't comfortable, hire a CFI. I used to do this trip once a week. My standard route to the river was overhead the numbers at KEWR. Speak professionally and ATC will give you anything you want. Standard ICAO phraseology is the key.

[@tedkidd9663]

Sorry Dr. Pilot but this is ALL on YOU! Guys like you are the reason the ATC guys sometimes don't want to handle VFR traffic in the Bravo. They owe VFR pilots NOTHING and they allow us a courtesy when they take care of us. Yes, even on a slow night. Frankly, you made a pain in the a-- out of yourself. You were all over the place, wandering around like you were lost and requesting constant changes; Why would they want to pick you up? I think they responded patiently and professionally. If they hadn't they would've simply told you to "Turn to heading 270; climb and maintain 7,100 feet until clear of the class Bravo; and maintain VFR." YOU, not Huey Hewlett (no folks, I don't know the guy) are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about, and guys like you make it more difficult for those of us who fly the VFR corridor and the Class B airspace consistently and regularly. 1)Know what you want. 2)Ask for it on initial contact. 3) Whether or not you get what you want COMPLY WITH INSTRUCTIONS WITHOUT ARGUING.

[@VicariousAir]

"COMPLY WITH INSTRUCTIONS WITHOUT ARGUING" Ted, based on your reply, I'm going to assume you are a liberal democrat. Although your answer has elements of good advice, unfortunately it only contains enough information to seemingly make it credible. Following your advice could get someone killed. If you don't know better, you should keep your opinion to yourself.

[@markwheeler202]

Why the hell does everything have to be seen through a political lens these days? If you want to talk liberal/conservative trash, there are plenty of other places on the Internet machine to do so.

[@VicariousAir]

Mark, I am so sorry you were disturbed by my comment. You are right... the fact that i even mentioned Ted's extended remarks was so insensitive that rightfully, I should move to another country. I'd just hate to see someone else be in that position, not be as persistent and calm as Dr. Pilot (AKA Ray Ramono) and end up in the water or worse when they ran out of fuel, but what would I know? We should always follow the guidance of government agencies. So tell me, how do you feel about the Post Office?

[@markwheeler202]

Post Office...... right. Try to stay on topic.

[@stealhty1]

I'll take the 500 Ft over the shore or *the 8 Nm arc,,however I'll give you credit for not panic

[@DrPilot]

+stealhty1 If I really had to do it I would have gone along the beach, I have done it many times during the day. 8 mile acr at 1400 feet single engine at night ..nah . Thanks for watching

[@MonkPetite]

You always roll off an on to the runway with the strobe’s on .? Nice pictures.. good stuff . To all the other suggestions below .. It’s a bit confusing it you try to mix IFR radio languages to a VFR flight. Keep it simple .. Talk less ...... atc will talk to you if you go the wrong way. They never bully you into a route .. they only advise and help.

[@DomManInT1]

Funny listening to a pilot that gets into a situation they don't know how to get out of.

[@dutchpilotguy]

I've seen some of your videos, and you seem to put your "woes" on controllers more often than reflecting on your own situational awareness deficits. A little honest reflection will go a long way. Otherwise I fear that you are a human factor all in yourself. Fly safe

[@quinnjim]

"Dr. Pilot". One of the scariest things you can say in aviation. :)

[@natewatl9423]

After my cardiologist died dicking around in a two soul crash, I met an exec pilot who hangared next door to my Dr/RIP's mechanic. He spoke of physicians "upgrading" over their heads, and mentioned a particularly stethoscope-popular twin-engine aircraft is known among pros as the "Doctor Killer."

[@chrisduda]

Thank God I'm Pilot, Esq. lol

[@natewatl9423]

@Carpet Hooligan sorry, CH, too long ago to remember. Be safe.

[@gregsalisbury9783]

@Carpet Hooligan Beechcraft bonanza I believe

[@mcopilot]

AVIATE NAVIGATE COmmunicate and circle 360 hmmmm what the hell.

[@josephdupont]

Well... fuel fuel fuel a good thing to have.

[@crapper1]

when you were holding would offering to do a climbing hold to 7k be better that way your not in the path of planes arriving and departing at lower altitudes

[@DrPilot]

I would have had to go to New Jersey and climb over the Bravo to 7500

[@chrzoc]

Islip, MacArthur. My airport.

[@rty1955]

Very professionally run a/p unlike FRG which has trainees in the tower (only state run a/p in NY airspace) i was based at ISP then moved to FRG. FRG controllers loose track of who is in the sky too. One FRG ATC cleared me to taxi diwn on an active runway!!! I said to her "excuse me? You just cleared me to taxi down an actice runway ma'am. Try again. I will hold here until I get cirrect clearance "

[@rty1955]

@Carpet Hooligan after I had stopped and pointed out her error, another controller gave me different taxi instructuons. Point is, YOU as the pilot, are ultimately responsible for the safe operation of your aircraft and for the safety of the crew & passengers. If you feel ATC is asking you to do somsrhing that is not safe or beyond the limitations of either the pilot or aircraft, it is your responsibility to question it and/or suggest what you ARE capable of.

[@coreyandnathanielchartier3749]

Hopefully some airliner full of people wasn't vectored onto a collision course with another while 10 controllers vectored you around on a joyride through NY. Good, cavalier pilots with excellent radio skills screw themselves into the ground on a regular basis, but at least they died knowing "I did it MY WAY".

[@DrPilot]

Not very constructive. Thanks for watching though.

[@Jonny94669]

Your radiotelephony is truly shocking.

[@davejones542]

wow at the views, not so much the airmanship with ATC

[@12345fowler]

I don't think ATC is judged / expected on the airmanship mantra. As name implies it is for air_men

[@jaysantos5941]

Just declare an emergency and request to land at nearest airport ASAP. I do this all the time and it always works great!

[@TylerLL2112]

And when found to have no emergency??

[@TylerLL2112]

Carpet Hooligan lol.

[@larrupinant5208]

Don't show us canned photos. Show us live video out of the cockpit.

[@DrPilot]

Larrup Inant ? All is live or frame grabs from video

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

I'll tell you one thing. They will not ignore me while they're jacking me around. I'd have declared a medical emergency because of the chest pain I'd have had by now because of this!

[@Widdizzles]

I hope you don't have a PPL. Can't handle it? Don't fly.

[@rty1955]

Just think of the paperwork you would need to fill out!! Dont try that into FRG or the feds will meet you when you land

[@rty1955]

Dude, you super over complicated a simple procedure. As indicated on your charts at 6:46, JFK owns from 500 to 7,000 feet along the beach to the south. This area is carved out for VFR traffic so they can transit the area w/o bother to ATC. You can CLEARLY DROP down to under 500 and skim along the beach, give JFK a courtesy call "Kennedy tower, 669 is transiting eastbound to the south below 500" then climb to 1400 at long beach. Continue along the beach until u get closer to ISP. Why make it more complicated than it is? Too much radio chatter and added workload to ATC to an already busy airspace. I did that sooooo many times. A Skyhawk is just a thorn in their side.

[@DrPilot]

Did not want to fly at night at 500 feet over the beach and risk hitting birds or something

[@rty1955]

@@DrPilot most of the birds that fly near the ocean are seagulls and seagulls dont like to fly at night. You have plenty of places to land even if you do have a bird strike. You are also not flying fast enough to cause any serious issues either. I have done this flight so many times both day and night that I cant count.

[@drugtalk101]

Click bait! Boring!

[@dutchpilotguy]

I've seen some of your videos, and you seem to put your "woes" on controllers more often than reflecting on your own situational awareness deficits. A little honest reflection will go a long way. Otherwise I fear that you are a human factor all in yourself. Fly safe

[@DrPilot]

If you have seen ALL of my videos then you will know that I don't put any woes on controllers in fact i usually compliment them. The video you are referencing you will see in MY comments that I thought this was a non event and the title begets a actual non event.

[@iChiphead]

"That's right, Ice Man! He is dangerous!"