Infrared Networking with Old Powerbooks

[@MonotoneTim]

I've stopped trying to work in coffeeshops because of all the assholes putting cans of sauce in my way.

[@MarioManTV]

Blasted IR hipsters. Won't let me put my cans of sauce where I please!

[@Hydr8Man]

Blasted ignorant can owners keep putting cans of sauce where they please *EVEN IF ITS IN FRONT OF AN IR TRANSFER*

[@denniswoycheshen]

Omg get an infrared to wifi adapter. At least it will be niche.... Or kitch... Or fleek... Idk I'm too old for this shit

[@hazel6221]

@@denniswoycheshen r/woooosh

[@denniswoycheshen]

@@hazel6221 oh no I get it. I don't think wifi was even thought of when infrared was in use.

[@fairyball3929]

wow, someone actually had the guts to make a video about any sort of data transfer over an infered connection. Well done! 😃

[@jjohnson71958]

I agree

[@wicusconradie]

I've done it once to transfer files THAT time. Luckily those files were small, otherwise I might still be waiting

[@LoneBraixen]

Right? Until I saw this video, I thought IR ports were exclusively used for PDA types of devices

[@picklerick814]

they key about infrared is to NOT have them as close together as possible. because light spreads and the connection is better if you have 10-20cm distance

[@lmaoroflcopter]

Yep. Was thinking this. We used to have infra red networking for an entire office, a thing like a smoke alarm was on the ceiling and it would network the entire room.

[@kryskarr23]

The excitement and dopamine released in my brain when Druaga1 uploads exceeds that of any drug in existence.

[@kennysboat4432]

that also depends on the brain but 90% of anyone should experience of joy from a druga video than your first born son being born.

[@Xurikyo]

@rustybuttpate who?

[@cooliofoolio]

@@Xurikyo His weed dealer

[@annakudriavtsev2510]

Drug1?

[@sevenfortyfour]

ah those lovely days when one illegal instruction was enough to kill your entire system (and then trigger a new bomb dialog every screen refresh due to an infinite loop)

[@fargeeks]

sevenfortyfour what are ya talking about

[@timothy10583]

Unintentional Crash be like

[@jangelelcangry]

First I saw a guy 3d printing a tiny pice of plastic to fix a Laserdisc Karaoke. Now a guy connecting 2 Macs by IR. #TODAYWASAGOODDAY

[@HappySlappyFace]

Haha that video popped up in my recommendation too Btw akbkuku is druaga1's friend That is why this video popped up

[@Nick-ef8tu]

Is this a ice cube reference?!?!?

[@jangelelcangry]

NO! IT'S A GODDAMNED JOJO REFERENCE!!! Just Kidding Yes it is. :-)

[@myrkurvr]

imagine a LAN game with this Player1: has died Player1: covers IR blaster instant lag switch

[@raven4k998]

but it's 20 years old🤣

[@ErinTurco21]

I literally said "oh god" when I saw the title because of the awful memories of trying to transfer files via IR.

[@SteelT]

So in what real world scenario would it be where someone randomly decides to put a can of tomato soup between two computers as files are being copied?

[@markm0000]

Steel Titanium yes

[@amnottabs]

in Druaga's world anything is possible

[@TtEL]

When your mother decides to put it there to free up room in her hands.

[@mcamp39004]

I do believe the proper terminology you're looking for is a "barrel" jack.

[@bjh1971]

Hey infrared smokers.

[@krazyhartin]

Sending thc highs remotely via infrared.

[@Jackpkmn]

Me and my brother used to play starcraft on our powerbook 1400 computers over infrared back in the day. And here's a protip from someone who spent way to much time getting it to work correctly and reliably: You had the two computers WAY too close. You had them about 3-4 inches apart, you want them to be more like 2-3 feet apart. In the end though it was just easier to use a serial cable to link the two laptops together. Oh and if you grab the ISOs for blizzard games off the macintosh garden and burn them using a tool like transmac it will preserve the dual pc/mac nature the discs had back in the day. The mac version doesn't really check the cd that closely so a burned copy of broodwar will start the game just fine assuming your powerbooks can read the cdrs (some have more trouble with it than others.)

[@Blasterxp]

At school, we needed to pay to print docs... But the printer and my laptop had irda, well, one day, i just turned my laptop to the printer, played with com4, and the printer woke up... Free printing!

[@nyaa]

I like the video already even though it's unlisted

[@phant0m739]

Huh? It is unlisted?

[@Nova_Pancak]

How? It just appeared on my home feed.

[@fargeeks]

I can see the light

[@OctoomyYTOfficial]

r/woosh

[@KajuTheRudeMonke]

So when infrared beam is interrupted, a TTS starts talking?

[@jonstechchannel]

So essentially this was the predecessor to AirDrop?

[@KajuTheRudeMonke]

Well, kind of.

[@resneptacle]

Rather to bluetooth

[@tennicktenstyl]

yeah, we've made some progress

[@amzytheking]

As much as I love your content, I can't help but fall asleep to your voice. You get the view and love nonetheless homie.

[@4liceD_]

His videos are my daily videos for sleeping in, first I watch them, then I just listen to them. Super relaxing.

[@4liceD_]

Better than any asmr video

[@KimTheCreator]

It's amazing how excited Druaga gets over interrupting the IR connection mid-game... I have to admit, I got pretty excited too.

[@Crazy-qi1gw]

DS Download Play kept a better connection then IR.

[@ABlob]

"Unless the lamp has infrared" I think I've heard that the types of light (infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, X-rays, etc.) are all on a scale from beyond red to beyond violet so... I think the light from lamps might've interrupted infrared not because the lamp had infrared but rather just because it's light and light interrupted other light. You can see how infrared works in Nintendo Labo's garage mode, you can make a window to show what the IR camera can see and a lot of it is just visible to the naked eye (it's shooting infrared and has a camera that picks up infrared). So when you want two infrared devices to connect to each other, how do the devices know what the right light is and what isn't? It can't, it has to be in darkness so it can pick up the strongest amount of light (which should be correct infrared). That's why stuff like the piano or the house in Nintendo Labo has the joycon in some kind of room, because that's where the visible light (mostly) can't get to and the correct lights/reflections can get picked up. It's probably also why the Kinect's a piece of poo. Because you'd have to play it in total darkness (to the naked eye) to make it play fine all the time. Or the game developers tried too much/sucked at programming the body recognition in some games (like Sonic Free Riders). At least that's what I'm just guessing.

[@trippyunicorn4208]

Light does not interact with light. The photons will just pass through each other.

[@ABlob]

Well, okay, then why does the Kinect have so many problems?

[@ABlob]

See, the Kinect often works perfectly fine for me and then all of a sudden, it screws up. I have no idea what the cause of that was so I'm still guessing to this day how you could improve the tracking. My theory wasn't really much of a theory anyways, just a guess because there isn't much information out there. At least, from what I've tried searching, like "what can infrared pass through" and stuff like that. Because Nintendo Labo's kinda confusing me about what the heck an infrared is. And also, Nintendo Labo, unlike the Wii, doesn't have a bar and instead uses infrared out and a camera for infrared in the same device. So the infrared light has to reflect back into the controller to work... sometimes. Because 1-2-Switch doesn't require that, I'm guessing because it can also recognize when something's closer and that's enough? But if you have normal light in Labo's games that require infrared, the game just breaks and I'm assuming that had to do with the normal light confusing the infrared light? Don't really have a clue why, besides knowing that it won't work without needing to be in the dark. Yeah, the MacBook's infrared technology could've also just aged and got worse over time, maybe. I dunno.

[@4liceD_]

No, the joycons can see so much, because there's a lot of infrared and ultraviolet around us. It gets reflect from objects as the for our eyes visible light deoes. That's why the objects can be seen so well

[@ABlob]

cdrom Look under your right joycon. That black bar is where the infrared motion-camera is.

[@seshpenguin]

Dude love the editing on this one! Keep it up :D It was such an adventure watching :oo

[@martyp2138]

"no wonder this didn't take off, this is balls" lmao

[@JaySinsGarage]

Really diggin the Hunts sauce.

[@sixteenbitify]

Late comment but, does Druaga1 know that his PowerBook G3 is the rarest PowerBook ever made? It’s the “Kanga” model that was only out for less than 6 months and was so expensive at $5500. The last Kanga model listing sold for $400 on eBay!

[@MordecaiTheAwesomeBluejay]

"I miss Infrared so much" -Said nobody

[@kennysboat4432]

cuz it absolutely sucked ... at everything.

[@KeepingTie08932]

Who else clicked on this thinking they were ThinkPads before reading the title 😂

[@dosdoktor]

who didn't 😆😆😆😆

[@HuntersMoon78]

Nope, because it says POWERBOOKS!

[@CharlesVanNoland]

Ah, what a throwback to the laptops I had as a kid in the 90s. Poor LCD contrast/resolution/mura, fantastic weight (thing was like a brick of lead). Nostalgia galore!

[@Stoyon]

I remember when I was doing an intership at an IT department, I got to borrow an enterprise laptop for my time there, it had IRda, as did my mobile phone, I thought it was cool that XP saw my phone a second or so after placing it near the IR port

[@aviationfrk]

PowerBook 1400 power adapter works on the 2400 3400 and G3 PowerBooks and vice versa. (Just be careful with the wattage, I belie e the G3 hockey puck power adapter was the highest at 45w). I have a 520c, 190cs, 5300ce/117, 1400c/117, 1400c/166, and 3400c/200. I would take the batteries out and place a piece of electrical tape over the contacts if you store them in the computer. Biggest problem I have with these is the contacts corrode and will also grow onto the motherboard...

[@Krutonium]

The wattage should make no consequences, only the voltage.

[@jussapitka6041]

@@Krutonium If the wattage is too low, it might not work.

[@Krutonium]

@@jussapitka6041 yes, but it won't damage it.

[@jussapitka6041]

@@Krutonium Yes.

[@stevecoatesdotnet]

I've successfully used a couple of CDs placed at 45 degrees as mirrors to IR network two powerbooks that were sat next to each other. Well worth a try.

[@bairfamilyfarm1336]

Infrared transfer. Transferring your files at the speed of light, literally.

[@ErzaRosenberg]

I have no idea why I am watching this, but I can't stop.

[@kennysboat4432]

that druga

[@livvy94]

I used the built-in infrared in the AlphaSmart with a Toshiba Tecra 8000 (my personal laptop in 2007) all the time! I miss that feeling of instantaneous flow of information.

[@askhowiknow5527]

Hey croakers, Frogga1 here

[@pyra3466]

waitpowerbookshaveinfared?

[@mitchellwodach2215]

dokeyboardshavespacebars?

[@pyra3466]

spacebarsareforlizardpeople

[@dylanbobek3158]

There is an infrared auto focuser on most cameras that could explain why it works when you turn off the recording

[@woldemunster9244]

IrDA was really just the first idea someone had about how to connect your cellular phone with your yuppie-device to check "NASDAQ". :D (Nokia 6150, 8210 had modems and you could see the developer menus after unlocking them. AGPS was a thing nobody knew existed back then and i checked signals from different towers rather play snake)

[@Sys-Edit0r-1995]

Knowing some basic things the file transferring system will probably use some some sort of error correction. If there's a mismatch in a data packet's checksum the client will request the host to resend it. The two will keep trying until it's right.

[@ThriftStoreHacker]

I had a 3400c. Great machine but it was discontinued really fast. Runs everything System 9 very well.

[@skunch]

lol the mactalk reading the errors always makes me laugh

[@Eli-dx2uj]

38:00 you've had that wire in front of the monitor so long I kept forgetting it was on screen an tripping thinking it was the silhouette of my headphone wire. I'm using fake airpods.

[@MikeRedrobe]

Back in the 00s I had my win95 laptop, phone and printer all communicating with each other wirelessly via IR (IrDA) - worked well, and no bluetooth-like pairing required.

[@ipeters61]

33:04 Wait is that the FINDER DUDE on the BenQ monitor?

[@billdimz]

Good old Druaga1 video gives life to my sub feed

[@tuxace4231]

it didn't work (dramatic music)

[@kennysboat4432]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4rNaZafpqaDmaM

[@TheSeanUhTron]

The original version of IrDA could achieve up to 4Mbps, which was pretty good for back in those days. Modern IrDA systems get even get up to 1Gbps, though nothing really uses it anymore.

[@idahofur]

now you just need a hp laserjet with infared so you can print to it.....

[@GottZ]

that time when i used my old sony ericsson T160 to use IrDA for mobile internet on my laptop and palm… such memories…

[@hiddentreasure2161]

The G3 comes in multiple colours, such as: Blue Pink Red Orange Green Infrared and more!

[@sauceru99]

You should do more polls, Druaga

[@pixelflow]

Sending apps and midi files from my PC and Nokia 3660 via infrared was the best!. Yes it was Chronotrigger midi files.

[@ChunkTVGames]

I'm getting some Double Slit Experiment / Quantum Physics vibes. Soon as he brings out the TYCO camera it starts interrupting the photon wave function.

[@TheJunky228]

get that Tamagotchi emulator installed and have it communicate to a real one through the port! The only time I've actually been able to properly use an IR port for data transfer was to print a file from my laptop to my friend's printer

[@michaellacock]

It’s airdrop of the 90’s this is soooo cool!

[@confusedkemono]

My Dell C610 with dual battery modules survives for hours and it's more than 15 years old. Old laptops are the best.

[@Michaelguaylambert]

The reason why the Ethernet dont work between the computers it is because you need a cross cable but you used a straight cable. Also, Apple Talk is not TCP/IP from what I remember so you can’t connect it to a modern router.

[@HikikomoriDev]

So I am assuming you would get some sort of really early Bluetooth PCMCIA going between these or you would just get some ethernet cable and just do the cafe document that way I would guess... Or maybe just zip disk.

[@worroSfOretsevraH]

Where do you store all your stuff? You should make a video showing all the hardware you own. Would be very interesting to see. Thanks.

[@discusobscurum2194]

Mmm looking at that pizza box in the corner. Damn, I'm hungry.

[@aljoshuahell131]

Phone Cameras can make infrared light visible , you should have checked with some older phone (newer phones doesnt work sometimes)

[@louis.bodota]

Now i can switch TV channels while watching cat videos.

[@AstralSnowstorm6157]

Wow, technology really did suck back then. *ATTENTION, THE INFRARED CONNECTION HAS BEEN INTERRUPTED AND WILL DISCONNECT SOON.*

[@Crazy-qi1gw]

Finally I can now go to sleep to something and not worry about autoplaying.

[@Nitro_0999]

Hey Smokers Druaga1 here and Today we will get high and tempt fate

[@killerpokemon]

Hey Druaga1, I have a powerbook 5300C with no operating system. My main problem is that I need a system enabler and I can't find it online. I was wondering if you could send me a copy of the system enabler so I can get an operating system on my 5300c. Thanks!

[@dbozan99]

Now you need to daisy chain a couple of computers (macs and PCs) and other devices (ipods and printers, perhaps) together to make a Firewire network.

[@aaronblair9583]

Ohh jeeze I want one of those Soo bad. Would look great next to my hp omnibooks

[@genericmale3907]

Gotta love it when you get high and then a druaga uploads a new video

[@psycho0815]

I wonder how long a modern mac book would run with a battery pack of that size, filled with modern cells of course.

[@corygreen1895]

This is so sad, alexa smoke weed

[@kennysboat4432]

alexa play despacito no alexa don't because you don't exist!--- pewdiepie

[@MasonFowlkesKenneth]

Question. First time user of AppleShare trying to figure out how to copy and transfer a HDD from one Mac to another. Do they both need to run the same OS? One has 8 and the other 9.

[@JoeGoesx]

I got the two on the left, still fully functional in 2019

[@WantBadtime]

Yes! More of these videos!

[@apfanco]

*next video* "Lighting a joint with infrared"

[@theharbingerofconflation]

But can your PB G3 connect to my PB&J?

[@v8metal]

I always watch your videos! I love your channel ! how is it that you have so many computers, Druaga? haha, can you reveal the secret? Hugs, from Argentina

[@firebucket8203]

Is 4/20 your birthday ?

[@Flandz420]

Maybe?????

[@santosurbina3380]

I swear on my future kids lives my birthday is on April 20 2001 no lie I’m literally 17 and in high school so yeah it’s chill

[@Xurikyo]

It's Hitlers's birthday

[@mcleodautomation]

Yikes

[@V1VISECT6]

@@santosurbina3380 no point in swearing on that, hitler was born on april 20th. Also Columbine on april 20th 99.

[@Emerald-Aholic]

LAN party over Infared Druaga you need to do this.

[@LastofAvari]

100% quality Druaga1 video ;)

[@johannes9999]

Yessss! Finally something fun

[@RnAlsation]

You should use mirrors and prisms to use two IR laptops side by side!

[@ryanpascual9598]

The infrared connection has been interrupted and will disconnect soon. [||||||| ] Seconds until disconnection: 573

[@samanthagriffinv2.08]

In the thumbnail it looks like the camera from the polys map in amung us

[@misaalanshori]

I don't remember infrared transfer being this hard...

[@jjohnson71958]

My dell latitude c840 notebook has a infared transmitter/ reciever

[@jjohnson71958]

my dell latitude c840 notebook has an ir transmitter/reciever

[@TheJunky228]

I have a laptop that is only a couple years newer, if the battery is fully charged I can get about 1.5 minutes of run time out of it. I have my dad's first laptop, IBM 5140 from like '86 with a nickel cadmium battery, and that one's hoopajooped. dead as soon as it's unplugged

[@RisingRevengeance]

Apple used to make such cool looking devices

[@Aviancorporation]

Is the narrator on on one of those?

[@DoogieLabs]

I remember in high school playing starcraft against my buddy on a Pentium Win95 laptop using infrared somedays and a parallel lap link cable other times. Worked alright..

[@shouse_zip]

37:39 i look away for 1 min, look back, see the ethernet cable and flail my arm, attempting to move it, only to realise that is isnt real

[@humanbeing_]

FUCK. YES! 👍 Perfect timing; just sat down to eat before to bed... Because who needs sleep anyway? NO WAY I can wait 'till tomorrow to watch this. Must... Watch.... Full.... Druaga1.... Video.....

[@SocialSpit]

I’ve got one of those, doesn’t turn on, maybe I can send you the power supply

[@IBEGDL]

nice.. more druaga1 videos

[@CallumEM]

... i think Plainrock124 wants your Mac Cube. just sayn xd

[@Hungarian_]

that one dislike infuriates me

[@trains1000]

Depending on what kind of lights you have they could put out IR, for example like incandescents but almost no one uses them anymore, and a non blicking source shouldn't matter but the IR emitters on the powerbooks are probably pretty crap. I've played with IR emitters and most of the ones you can get suck really bad, compared to a new nice remote that is so powerfull it bounces off walls no problem for some reason.

[@LynxSnowCat]

My initial guess was the camera's autofocus/rangefinder, but I would have expected the error rate to go through he roof instead of disconnecting. The sensor getting overwhelmed when they were too close or given a reflective carrier makes sense if they were designing around weak emitters and thus did not include a way to turn the receiver gain down/low enough. That would also fit my brief ~~experience~~ encounter with Mac's IrDA. As late as 2009 I was using my old Palm pilot's IrDA adapter to regularly exchange files/lecture notes with students who had windows laptops, and some of the school's projectors. Never occurred to me to try gaming or building a network on IrDA. Dunno if the others tried. EDIT: I wonder if my phone's IR port would work w/ my old Palm devices, I'll have to remember to try it. Thing I remember most is that is **none** of us could casually interface two machines of *the same brand* to each other using IrDA (barring the use of cable like waveguides), they'd seemingly ignore each other's existence. Macs however would react to every IR device pointed near to them, frequently dropping the active connection whenever someone uses a dumb remote, or there's an arc flash, or that guy with the AR headset walks by, etc. Being students, we just used crossover cables to move the files to the people reliant on Macs, and a mailing-list afterhours.

[@Up8Y]

Apparently some fluorescent tubes can give off a lot of IR. So if you've got CFL bulbs, that could make something like the PCjr keyboard even worse.

[@trains1000]

I was thinking that but wasn't sure or not.

[@amdcrash2951]

Ah, inferred... the only connection type that a small piece of dust can disrupt...

[@ICanDoThatToo2]

30:51 Quantum network doesn't work if it's being observed.

[@UpwardOpossum9]

I miss druagas videos