Drum processing with Depeche Mode

[@jimdukeproject]

Their live drums give it an energy that brings their music alive. I love their live sound.

[@Streets_is_a_Mother]

You are right, but insnt it more a simulating of a live drum!?

[@paaao]

​@@Streets_is_a_MotherNo, it's live/acoustic drums, simulating an electronic drum.

[@Streets_is_a_Mother]

@paaao its that simple. ...but Im sure there is acoustic drumming in the later DM back catalogue

[@mattevans7884]

They originally planned to tour with much of Martins collection of rare analogue synths but were talked out of it due the inherent instability of them. Like Kerry Hopwood said, they need something that will work and be as reliable on tour as software has become. Besides, I think once a vst is pumped through the massive PA's they use, no audiophile in the world will be able to tell the difference!

[@Xhumedcorpse]

Used to go to ITeC collage (London road, Gravesend) with Kerry, who was always pleasant 6 humourous. Great to see he has a great job!!!

[@ProBloggerWorld]

DM now after all the years is about the good feeling, memories. The fans know where they are coming from, what they did before the perfect computer area. My first concert was October 1990, World Violation Tour.

[@SPKaa]

Guy was rocking those awesome sounding drums, too! This made me like DM a lot more.

[@Breakbeats92.5]

Can't imagine how nerve racking this mans job is. People would be floored if they knew the amount of effort MD's put into making sure the show goes off without a hitch.

[@indiefilmcomposer]

this is fascinating , DM taking studio drum processing recording techniques on the road as a real time performance effects, much better than recording loops

[@davidbrun]

Great video... I'm a long time Live user, on and off stage has always been a very reliable software for me.

[@mwintersteinsmith]

As drummer who plays live AND owns a copy of Ableton Live 7.0.16 I have to say I am some what impressed with this video! I really did not think to combine 'live' drums with Ableton to create real time EFX and Gates etc through software... i will have to give it go...!!??

[@Simonewhitesim-1music]

Seen this many times and it's Brilliant!!! i use it in studio and live!!!!!

[@autotunepop]

IMHO their live sound has suffered much from Alan's departure. Christian is a good drummer, but I'd prefer those huge, powerful electronic drum sounds in certain songs like Never Let Me Down Again!

[@superblip9372]

Those drums on NLMD weren’t exactly electronic either. From none other than John Bonham in fact, from “When the levee breaks”. David bascombe relates that the band was aiming for a big arena rock sound, so he sampled Bonham and processed them electronically. And to great effect yes?

[@jonnylpenman]

@@superblip9372 Yeah. It definitely worked to great effect. Their more recent set-ups have been great, but Alan's sound design was very unique and powerful-no matter which producer he worked with. Using different sounds doesn't have the same feel as the original sounds that Alan worked so hard on.

[@Kickingit06]

Watch Alan's drumming on I Feel You. It's perfect.

[@archieh70]

I wonder how they overcome the latency and phase issues when running the drums in and out of Ableton. Especially since Ableton Live 8 doesn't have the best plugin delay compensation. However, it's good to see DM giving the old songs a new edge with such an amazing drummer.

[@scrwwea_nhl_hut5288]

“Amazing drummer”??? For DMs tracks maybe, but lets be honest , their drumming has never been technical. He is an average drummer who plays well to a click track at best. Too bad they dont use triggers to replicate the original sounds the way Duran does. Far better outcome.

[@matthew4694]

I’ve been a Depeche Mode fan for nearly 40 years. I think their precise electronic drum sounds are a key part of the music. I saw them live last month in Cleveland, and was unsure of how I would react to the use of a live drummer (unless it was Alan Wilder). Overall, I would have to say it was one of the best rock-n-roll performances I’ve ever witnessed; largely due to the live drums and the use of additional effects seen in this video. Is Christian an “amazing” drummer? Perhaps not. Is his performance and his contribution to the live band experience amazing? Absolutely!

[@thodeus]

For me hearing the the original samples whether it is drums or in the keys.. is like finding your old best friend.

[@tlkshowhst]

I'm disappointed they haven't tapped into a hybrid drum setup, with acoustic mics and triggers with original samples from the recording

[@gahan101]

We can even see at 0:25 on the setlist on the computer "The Sun & the Moon" and "Perfect". But as they never played those ones live,i suppose it was maybe just for another purpoe than for playing them live.

[@rivendahley1771]

I love Depeche Mode ... still, after 30 years

[@danielthommen8243]

Same here, still after *40* years... MEMENTO MORI!

[@enzozeno]

They will have a stage box splitter, which sends one block of channels to the monitor mixer and the other block to whatever soundcard they're using for the computer...

[@priyonjoni]

so what happens if that computer crashes mid show? Is there a fall back for the drums?

[@michaelengle9062]

can't remember where I saw it, but...I saw somewhere that they have a complete duplicate of this rig running in tandem with the main rig, that switches over automatically or on command if there's a problem. Plan C, I believe is to just run the drums straight through the PA with no processing.

[@vjrei]

Depeche Mode always had a back up set up. Alan Wilder explained that in an interview. They had the Emax on stage and the same Emax in rack behind them as a back up, they never used the back up he said.

[@sensimilla2005]

Now I know why the drums sounds so much better on this tour :) Been there in Berlin, Frankfurt and Bratislava ! :) See you in Łodź!!!!!

[@mistara1]

@depeshak06 I'm sorry, but maybe you are right. Alan Wilder is amazing musician. He is amazing drummer too. The drums in Devotional is in my opinion the best sounding live drums in history. Every snare is so deep. The punch is amazing, every beat is at it's place, nothing unnecessarry.

[@Droidbot_electro]

@anokah i mean both in compination,as software based instruments,work perfect and sound perfect, too. (: a friend use cubase 5 which is awesome also.Im not so familiar with vstI's btw..

[@andym7333]

how the latency runing live inrument in and out ableton is their more gear to achieve this to kill latency

[@dwaynecarroll6098]

Love that white pearl kit!

[@alexkid1]

Ableton and Reason. Best DAW's in my opinion.

[@anatoliasenov2063]

It's not the daw, it is the computer power and the audio interface that make the process flawless.

[@UsoundsGermany]

no the composer (aka the human)

[@tronious]

excellent. I'm a long time Live user and will be for as long as I can record music

[@Moforize]

nice to see the extent to which Live can be used! I have to say I personally think the inbuilt effects are generally quite poor and wondering why they do not use something like a few waves plug ins going through ableton to enhance the drums?

[@gerardogrady681]

0:47: why play the stadium footage backwards?

[@diavimusic4523]

Not sure why "no samples"? You can easily trigger samples with live drums and have the best of both worlds. I would think that would be a great modus operandi for a band such as Depeche Mode.

[@indepthphoto4351]

Been following Depeche Mode since 82 Never liked the live drums It’s been said a million times but when Alan left so did the music...

[@jonaskarlberg3240]

I prefer live drums instead of drum machines Because i play the drums myself and it is more fun to watch Just like the singer Joe Elliott in the band Def Leppard said in a interview Depeche mode was a synth band that became a rock band I saw Depeche mode live 2006 in Stockholm Sweden and it was great I think that they shall continue play live with Christian because he is a fantastic drummer Reach out and touch faith Personal Jesus Depeche mode

[@EtsiJuuret]

@@jonaskarlberg3240 fake ya

[@jonaskarlberg3240]

@@EtsiJuuret singer Dave Gahan thanked drummer Christian Eigner when Depeche Mode was inducted in the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Dave said that the drummer Christian Eigner has been a huge part of the band for the last 20 years kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmjXloSIaKdgsJo Keep him in the band Reach out and touch faith Personal Jesus Andrew "Fletch" Fletcher R.I.P. Jonas Karlberg

[@gahan101]

6:56 "We can switch it everyday". So why didn't you switched songs more often on the last tour,guys???

[@betweenthelines909]

The drums live are a thousand times better than in studio. Something about the reverb and the everything makes it better

[@zgovideos]

hello, how latency is managed ? what is the sound card ? any idea ?

[@schinaro]

Alan Wilder. That’s all I need to say.

[@markusdaxamouli5196]

Yes...they really cut their nose to spite their face there.

[@markusdaxamouli5196]

Daves drinking , drugs and strokes they tollerate..but the composer, engineer and workhorse wants equal credit 9 n tracks and he gets the boot. And they keep that Giant Knobb Fletcher...the clapper. I swear he hitr ome key on a $20k keyboard 7 times in a concert....but Allen they had to kick to road... Sory...its a sore spot for me too mate.

[@foodog777]

Yeah, DM need handsome beginner drummer who looks good in fingerless gloves and never ages for “fans” who think DM ended with ‘Devotional’. 🤣

[@pancia75]

The title of that song is " A Question of Time" not " A Matter of Time"! lol

[@56BelAirDenver]

Are there special microphones that are used? I suppose you would need very close proximity microphones so the toms wouldn't bleed into the adjacent microphones and false trigger.

[@YARDMANMX]

what audio interface are you using is it pci express card or firewire conected and what computer are you using and what is the speed of the computer?

[@DICACIO1]

great behind the scenes, mate!

[@Pattodeejay]

I fucking love music and just thinking this guys are making a living of what they love cheers !

[@Breakbeats92.5]

To a midi nerd or studio geek it's fascinating.

[@parametrikstudio]

great job!!!! but how is with latency? is possible to use this setup whithout protools hd engine? with some other chiper audio card, soo you can send it youre procesed sound on monoitor to drummer whithout big latency?

[@anokah]

@theHackerOfMayhem What the hell does Cubase 4 have to do with audio quality? The UFX is sweet though :P

[@claudefrancoissimard]

KCLMNOP was here watching this vidéo home boy, the drummer was a serious drummer

[@dep1001]

Great stuff! Thanx!!!

[@carlheinz]

What camera was this shot with?The Image is so very nice!

[@unknownfilmmaker777]

DM using your stuff is quite an endorsement.

[@CATwithHATsDrummerBlog]

Very interesting. Thanks for the insight.

[@saberch]

can you tell us about the hardware needed for such use i guess latency makes it impossible on home studio equipement

[@angelea2184]

Look, all DM lovers and others: What DM and Martin won't tell you is that they derive a lot of their music/sound from classical electronic music. I have been an acolyte of true electronic music since I was 15, and that was long ago. Extremely cool and inovative electronic music has been around for decades. From the 1940s, at least. There may be arguments about their production, but I want to testify, as trained musician, that DM is on a very high level of development, as far as composition is concerned. And COMPOSITION is the final say in any aspect of their music, including technical manifestations. Does anyone know who the pioneers of electronic music are? I guarantee that Martin Gore does. Absolutely promise. How can I make that claim? Simple. We come from the same compositional pool. We are two fish who swim in the same water. So, please, critics, understand that you most likely are not familiar with the true origin of DM compositions. Also, I would lastly want to state that, as someone who has always been on the inside of the music business, it is quite a relief to simply be a fan and enjoy the offerings of musicians without the "paralysis of analysis", as one of my friends used to say. Just offering another, but valid, perpective.

[@chrisbe77]

Boring

[@Jtoneloc]

I'm curious to know what interface he's using to split out the signal to the front of house..Does the FOH engineer further process on these signals from ableton?

[@carlheinz]

Stupid question... What was the make of the camera that shot this footage? thanks!

[@briandarabaca]

All I can say is, the dynamics of DM sound is different when Alan Wilder left. There's something lacking on it, in terms of grit, the edgy sound that this band is known for. It simply is not there anymore. Please invite Alan Wilder once more to collaborate with DM!

[@goodnightdrummer]

But how did he get all the (i assume) xlr inputs from the drums mics into this interface ?!

[@TVisHELL]

@xxxDavidMaysxxx What are you on about??? Firstly, Ableton allows the stack of virtually ANY plugins. A sampler can't unless you want a huge rig that is not great for touring with. You can pretty much add anything into it. Built in fx are not enough most of the time. Electronic kits are great, yes - but they are not as flexible. if you stick midi triggers on your kit you'll have the best of both electronic and acoustic kits in one. Less to tour with again.

[@goodnightdrummer]

How are you getting them many drum inputs into your mac ?! Please please answer - or someone else hazard a guess ?!

[@djfitzz]

Great vid. Love ableton!!!

[@HiteckbeatsOfficial]

great electronic band

[@rodlfgo]

DM/ableton/logic - great!

[@MmostlyRandom]

as far as i can tell from this he drums it all live... ableton is not playing samples of the drum sounds... it is only being used to process the sounds before being sent to the amps if you look at the live set on screen there are no audio clips loaded. in essence its just an effects board

[@jeroen1205]

@56BelAirDenver I think they can solve that easily with the noise gates.

[@SammyBP007]

Fascinating for a Live fan;)

[@spellerlittlewing]

What type of computer you using

[@ronaldomode]

A great album!

[@niebuhrsongs]

It's ironic that the worst part of Depeche Mode live is the live drum sound. To this day.

[@Jornbatako]

Ha ha ha of course.🙄

[@krismoonpie]

great video!

[@sp0rtbilly77]

What converters are being used?

[@AUDIOMUNKY1]

what sound card you using while running ableton?

[@dellabox]

This is just an advertisement for Ableton. Very little instruction or explanation.

[@marleneramos4001]

I see Fletch is busy as always :/

[@ThatBrothaBill]

I wouldn't be surprised if he can check his bank balance at his rig pffft

[@antonrussia]

William Stoll 🤣😂🤣👍

[@ThatBrothaBill]

@@antonrussia Just sayin' :)

[@Moralapostolos]

....and Alan still there....♥

[@nicohauptmentalist]

@5:25: no, its not a rock show. its a electronic music show! thats the mistake the last years.

[@angelea2184]

PLEASE do a little research into electroinic music, not so much as in the "pop synth" genre, but electronic music stemming from 1) classical music, and 2) sonic explorations and experimental music. DM are much more sophisticated than some people realize. I am one of the lucky ones who actually received a college education on this genre. Now, Martin, being the modest nperson he is, is not going to tell you that. Buit I will!

[@nicohauptmentalist]

Bla

[@2ElementHH]

@AbletonInc thanks so much!!!

[@matteo1995ify]

what is the song at 1:15?

[@DesTestimonials]

"A Question of Time"

[@nicksaya]

what i/o boxes do you use

[@2ElementHH]

Whats the name of first song?? min 1:05

[@nicksaya]

what about latency?

[@alejandroreyesleon8818]

Que locura ❤

[@KANTonOFF]

Intreresting info I never thought that drummers combine real drums with real-time software effects

[@Anonymous-yw9gf]

im sure someone uses it to make tea

[@andresmiller5269]

LOL!

[@felipescalador]

name of the song please...

[@ChrisWhite-si1bx]

Song ID @1:54 ?

[@TF2403]

A question of time

[@crazymorph86]

yes he did

[@daub1]

for the reasons mentioned in the film...

[@cheetahtje4]

good quality :O

[@Droidbot_electro]

CUBASE 4 + RME UFX = Audio Quality... ~ -track name of live DM execution anyone? : )

[@markmatson2645]

I do not know why Depeche Mode has not invested in a really great electronic Duran Duran's drummer, Roger Taylor has switched to the top of the line and kick ass electronic drum kit unlike the electronic drums that were first used in the 1980's. If you did not know that the drums were electronic, you could not tell them from a regular non-electronic drug kit. Roger, Taylor's electronic drum kit sounds amazing. I have heard him play drum sounds that sounded so much like standard non-eletronic drums, and he also has used kit to produce the unique synth sounds that Duran Duran is known.

[@pikeystudmuffin]

Stage presence pure and simple, it's a kick ass kit played by a fecking good drummer. They are in the entertainment business & have been for years, they know what they're doing. ;o)

[@michaelengle9062]

Do you know what Roger triggers from his Tama's live? I would guess a Roland unit of some variety, but I haven't seen him use an 'all pad" since the Red Carpet Massacre shows.

[@LemzisMilpis]

And aparently, if I understand Hopwood's words correctly, Eigner is needed in order to make Dave feel that he has a drummer behind him. Jeez!

[@Theantichryst]

❤

[@UsoundsGermany]

Agreee with some of the comments, the drumming did not fit the music....

[@felipescalador]

why would you use this on your home studio?? use samples its easier..I bet they dont use this technique in the studio they use real cymbals & drum machines.. this is for giving a real feeling to the performance

[@thebillgrundyshow]

at last...someone who knows what there on about! :)

[@hgb01]

yes, im sure of it...

[@platinumdynamite]

It's called showmanship

[@takinutakuni5860]

*BERLIN OLYMPIASTADION* 💪

[@1n50mn1ac]

Hey! I would like to know what hardware is necessary to run live instruments into ableton live for processing! Is it possible to connect an analog mixer with ableton?

[@MarcoCapelli74]

LOL... 29 people still using Logic

[@Spaniard71]

I laughed so hard at your comment! Love it!

[@NateRuvin414]

I use Logic and Ableton.

[@federicoterzaghi6396]

FL Studio anyone?

[@MournfulMystic]

Yep

[@andiirejino1210]

Love logic

[@neuteny]

whats the song at 01:05?

[@srfnma6813]

It’s a U2 song they sometimes play in concert....

[@billyfouronesix]

I'm still not a fan of having a live drummer. It works well with the SOFAD songs because that's what Alan wanted. Otherwise, I'd be fine a drum track. I feel Christian's drums actually ruin a few songs.

[@jonaskarlberg3240]

I myself am a drummer and i think it is better that they have a drummer live because for me as a drummer it is much more fun to see Like the singer of Def Leppard Joe Elliott said in a interview Depeche mode was a synth -pop band that became a rock band I saw Depeche mode live 2006 and it was great Christian Eigner plays fantastic Keep him in the band Reach out and touch faith Personal Jesus

[@Monsieur_F]

@@jonaskarlberg3240 Sorry, typical drummer answer, but Bill is on the right way. A better sound is more important than this egocentric point of view. Alan had a vision, that's the way of a creative thinking.

[@jonaskarlberg3240]

@@Monsieur_F singer Dave Gahan thanked drummer Christian Eigner when Depeche Mode was inducted in the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Dave said that the drummer Christian Eigner has been a huge part of the band for the last 20 years kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmjXloSIaKdgsJo Keep him in the band Reach out and touch faith Personal Jesus Andrew "Fletch" Fletcher R.I.P.

[@SammyBP007]

Dude...nu pun intended..and a...uninitiated?....I have sevral years of stage experience and as a beat maker and composer i was say'n it's Fascinating :D have a nice day ;)

[@thegreatbrankoni]

Did this guy actually say anything?