It's MAKE or BREAK For The First Descendant This October

[@TheCnicus]

People complaining are those who are trying to treat this as their new main game. I'm a long time Warframe player and a game like this takes YEARS to get to a good point with a lot of content. The game is off to a great start and has a bright future. If you're along for the ride don't be afraid to play other games in the seasonal downtime to avoid burnout esp when you have nothing else to do but daily crafts/challenges etc. Currently replaying the mass effect trilogy then black myth

[@dhamilton707]

Yep I started to do the same but then caught myself. It really helps having more than one game to grind on for reasons like this

[@Emma_2Banks]

THANK YOU. The amount of people that don’t understand this is annoying. People acting like the game has to have everything and then more on day 1. I saw people saying they were at endgame 4 days after the game released, then they complained about how there was nothing to do.

[@GlennRiccobono]

100% Make or break? Didn't the game just come out

[@masspayne]

I hope unlike warframe they dont forget the core gameplay. cuz i dropped warframe when too much stuff was going on... archwing? skate boards? those mechas i dont even know the name? then theres that huge ship you can get? + a bunch of other minor less distracting stuff from the core gameplay

[@tomthomas3499]

Warframe at that time don't have alot of competition, nowadays you can't really afford slacking up, they need something to keep the player base growing before Nexon being Nexon, axing this title off

[@0zbck]

Don't let this game die, it's unique. It has a lot of flaws but it's in its earliest days. It has a ton of potential.

[@Clockwork-Heart]

I'm with you, unfortunately though this is Nexon. They will kill this game with greed. "Pay up or grind your life away" isn't acceptable anymore. And if they have a Halloween event and the skins are paid only, that will be an instant uninstall. I played Vindictus for years, I ain't dealing with Nexon's greed anymore. You actually had to pay to do missions in that game, after like 5 runs when it was new. Also, the new "utility companion" coming, don't expect to be able to use it for free, they will 90% chance charge you to "refill" it.

[@nocno-b7x]

​@@Clockwork-Heart just wait and see don't be so negative

[@deathringer1003]

​@@nocno-b7xwith Nexons history is hard to trust them just because they are doing ok with one game, it'll be a very long time before they have peoples fullest trust an im the same,they are doing ok so far but not enough to trust they have fully changed

[@MeltonCrest]

@@nocno-b7x There is nothing negative about objective truth. All you need to do is look at that Season 2 graph to see that they have absolutely no intention of improving the game.

[@DogWearingABeanie]

It also has a lot of something else I like :) . . . . . The guns....the guns

[@Meli_Cruul]

I’m a solo player. My friends just end up joining me when we so happen to be on and able to play for a bit together. They tried it up to MR 15. Mind you, one of them is a super try hard vet in warframe. And one has been carried by us in warframe and gave her free loot to reach end game. Sadly, the rng and grind is way too much for them. I am the last one in the group that plays TFD almost everyday… it’s sad but I like soloing… so I’ll be ok… if the devs keep caring.

[@filipmaly6603]

Well grind itself would be somewhat OKish if you actually can target what you want. I have like 30 Enzos stabilizers but I am only finishing Python. From other weapons I have almost fully upgrade Greg's Fate, Thundercage, Secret Garden, Albion Cavalry and Last Dager after 200 hours. Most other weapons are siting at two to one missing parts. Now I am at Frost walker on Hard and you need maxed out weapon to get DMG output. So currently I think I have hit the wall. But I can make an army full of Enzo so everything is balanced as should be.

[@Meli_Cruul]

@@filipmaly6603 the grind don’t stop

[@tomthomas3499]

@@Meli_Cruul Nothing more fun than hours or even a day worth of grinding and then layered RNG hits you right in the face..

[@Tybear-qz4bx]

​@filipmaly6603 the hitting a wall is your fault. You should of picked a couple good weapons and leveled them. Instead you made the choice to try and get every weapon max lol.

[@filipmaly6603]

@@Tybear-qz4bx I did not invest anything in the weapons. All my resources went into my Descendents.

[@buzz819]

Invasions being solo only was a huge miss for Season 1. They're too hard for most players to solo. Helldivers 2's experience tells you that if you want numbers of players, content has to be more fun than hard.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

AJAX makes invasions a cake walk IMO. They're easier with him but still annoying. I get gold almost every time with him.

[@EchoDoctrine]

Yep. I swear they said they added matchmaking I have checked multiple times and can’t see anyway to do that. I go to the red zone select the mission and pick the one that drop Hailey mods and it’s too hard, I don’t have teammates, the collects items and rooms up to the boss are easy, I get to the boss and die and give up. I tried the other “regular” hard mode and had two teammates dying at the boss so I just quit the mission and turned the game fully off earlier today. I’m not sure I will keep playing. I wish I could farm Hailey and play these “new seasonal story things” on normal mode.

[@buzz819]

@@TheAgentAssassin I'll have to farm Ajax. I have most of them but Yujin, Luna, Esimo, and Ajax are left. I've had some success with Lepic doing enough boss damage but he is really hit or miss. I've failed invasions way too many times about to rage quit level of frustration.

[@GlennRiccobono]

Please please please make a tanky Bunny. Edit: follow a build on Bunny and guns. Her 3 clears adds. Her sprint speed saves you time traversing from area to area. Then if you use Enduring Legacy (170 bullets) Tamer maybe, and Secret Garden on the boss you're set. Ajax is a great option, his bubble will protect you from the boss, but I've been getting 4 golds a day with Bunny.... get a good build and go to town. You don't need High Voltage.

[@EYOUTz1993]

My Ult Bunny + partly maxed out Thunder Cage melts basically every invasion boss. I hit every invasion 4x per day at gold level clear, and I'm really not that much of a player of this type of game. I just followed some build guides, neither Ult Bunny nor Thunder Cage are actually maxed fully. Thunder Cage at 350k DPS is a pretty good standard to shoot for.

[@Amershaf]

As a console player, I think your analysis of playtime is spot on. I personally play after work. I'm in hard mode farming for weapon parts, which I do for about an hour or two. Enough to keep me interested for a bit then resume regular life

[@Beardlythekind]

Same here dude

[@KingConan]

I stopped playing a few days ago. Was in maintenance mode for about a week until I finally unlocked and researched Hailey. Haven’t even touched her though. And the invasions are so mind numbingly tedious that I couldn’t keep playing them every day.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

AJAX can knock out the Invasions pretty easily. Still boring AF though.

[@KingConan]

@@TheAgentAssassin yeah I have a fully juiced Ult Ajax and Bunny, but the missions just aren’t fun at all. Plus I have plenty of gold and kuiper now.

[@guidorussoheck2100]

@@TheAgentAssassin playing Ajax is pretty boring

[@christianspeck]

Side note, I think if they brought the interception missions into the world it would be so cool. Imagine fighting a Colossi as they were walking through the Kingston Area. Using grapples to get from rooftop to rooftop, it would feel like Attack on Titan. It would also have to create more strategy for players. Lastly, Ive heard from others that the interception locations are just boring to be in and look at. A flat grey area with a fey towers of some grey material to grapple onto. I think they could bring it into the story of it too. "They've made it past they void and are about to enter Ingris, we have to stop them before they can cause damage to our world." typa thing. Maybe they can do it like invasions where everyday there is a different Colossi in a different zone.

[@DanielFlores-yh8cq]

Yeah the void is very bland and boring

[@damiandrabinski3089]

If You talking about random spawn, as in world bosses - no it's bad it's 4 player coop often multi langual of people who will do random things as they please. Than if You are talking as in different map other than the random arena we get sent into right, I also disagree - imagine You play something like Hailey and your team drags the boss behind building ruining your ult and making You move.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

THIS 100% Random encounters would be awesome.

[@Moshpilt]

this is exactly what i thought its gonna be, hope they do this idea at some point in future.

[@TooManiiaC]

Sounds pretty cool indeed. Like ingame events where the colossi spawns in the world. I do hope they would implement something that if you don't want to join you can stay away and not take damage. Also when you are in there solo the boss damage would adjust like it is now and when someone joins in it would adjust or something. I'm just thinking about how it could be best implemented since now you queue up for a colossi battle and you join with 4 people. How that would go in an open world location I'm not sure.

[@selfeffect]

Love this game, I do, but just adding a dungeon and character here and there isn’t gonna cut anymore for this to last in my opinion. Would love to see new story beats and campaign content. They got a pretty solid foundation and interesting hook

[@naliskun4222]

new story? do you think they can make a good enough story with most of it being thought as bad

[@blastie89]

There's only so much they can add in such a short time though. Game is almost 3 months old.

[@guidorussoheck2100]

What i want is a new HARD + mode. I want to be able to do missions in the open areas again like before (is pointless to do at my current player lvl)

[@Oni1975]

I think TFD is still missing a gameplay loop that is more group oriented and in a more open-world sort of environment. The idea that comes to mind are the open-map patrols from Destiny with events you can easily hop in and out of, or the Bozja/Eureka style large-space instances where players can really just roam around in and participate in all kinds of public events as they spawn. Dungeons feel a bit too targeted to just run at random, and even then, players are probably more likely to run then solo to get through them quicker. The trader could actually synergize with gameplay like this pretty well, but since they haven't mentioned any content like this for October 10th, I doubt we'll see it anytime soon.

[@imintrigued4072]

The lesson learned from Warframe is that without being able to grind for premium currency the grind falls short. In Warframe, you can farm indefinitely. Here it's only as long as you get the characters and weapons.

[@deathringer1003]

Yup, hoping they add a trading system to trade stuff to other players and use the premium currency like in Warframe, I've seen plenty of KZbinrs and commenters say thats what they want,not a trader that we just throw extras in to get a whole new currency which is what im hearing is what we are getting

[@stevenparks6700]

And fashion frame that can be bought thanks to grinding currency

[@AflagRules-c9e]

Having never played Warframe and picking up TFD because it was free, I am now thinking I need to check Warframe out. Posts from that player base on the TFD videos make it seem like a more rewarding grind for solo casual players on Warframe.

[@kg4634]

Warframe nerfs everything all the time nobody's saying that and without plt cook times for frames and weps are ridiculous nah warframe ain't it

[@imintrigued4072]

@@kg4634 What does any of that have to do with platinum being tradeable?

[@ericmatthews9894]

Invasions were not done well. It's easy to get to the boss but then they nerf you and unless your guns are max you feel like you're throwing Q-tips at him.

[@Oni1975]

Agreed. And the random penalties per invasion dungeon were simply head-scratching. Why make it feel worse at random? Like one I saw the other days was -87% Chill Skill Power. Just...why?

[@GlennRiccobono]

If you're doing end game content though, which the invasions are supposed to be(?) you need at least one of your guns with all the catalysts. I'd recommend Enduring Legacy and or Secret Garden... and make a tanky Bunny for invasions

[@masspayne]

i really wonder what ppl that play this game are even doing with their time. i also struggled to do invasions when they launched but then i decided to max out a single descendant (which was ult bunny since i just got her at the time and she makes farming other stuff easier) after that i stopped stuggling in pretty much every single invasion there is and can get gold 95% of the times. Also one of the replies mentions penalties. the only one that sucked was that one where you used two bullets at a time from certain ammo types and guess what it was removed. Even with -87% electric skill power i managed to get gold with bunny so thats not an excuse

[@GlennRiccobono]

​@@masspaynethis one gets it Bunny is like the skeleton key

[@ericmatthews9894]

@@masspayne I have been upgrading my guns. I got my bunny maxxed too but my guns just don't seem to do much damage to the bosses

[@JohnnyFamas139]

They really dropped the ball with the launch of season 1. Invasions are extremely boring and tedious,

[@TherealWottie]

It's a FTP game give them a break 😂

[@darksiders2002]

​@@TherealWottieDoesn't mean it have to be this meh. I would say it reminds me of gacha games.

[@julianruiz5155]

Or you’re just ass honestly, yes, I did struggle as well but eventually invested time to build my descendants and guns and now I easily complete them. The game is free 😂😂 you want everything else to be put in your mouth or something 😊🙏

[@JeyJ24]

​@@darksiders2002Agreed. I applaud the dev's efforts, but we aren't obligated to play something we don't think is good.

[@cal7281]

the whole games boring and tedious

[@alaskayoung3413]

Been playing since day 1 with 3 friends. All left destiny and fell in love with TFD. We've all played couple hours a day everyday since it started. For about the last week I have zero desire to log on other than daily material rewards. There is just nothing to do! Everything is way too easy and gluttony is a tad too hard for pugs.

[@deubie0211]

A tad lol

[@virtualwarrior3902]

If you have nothing to do then you either spent a lot of money getting all of the descendants/weapons/bulids, or you have a lot of time and play nonstop

[@simonhowell4486]

​@@virtualwarrior3902 I agree. Some of the grind is ridiculously tedious, some locked behind time walls, then the time it takes for all that to cook adds up. If you're done, gotten everything maxed, and waiting, you've spent a very nice piece of change on a free game 😅😅😅 and/or you really need to go outside

[@savagedrew]

Same was a Destiny player since the beta. Got tired of all the BS so started playing TFD and haven’t looked back

[@darksiders2002]

I assume you completed all there is in the game?

[@poetlawyer6800]

I think season 2 is more important than this next update, they better bring it. There is going to be 2+ months between the October 10th update and season 2, that's a long down time for the little content they have planned

[@retubetv9841]

For me the problem with the game is if it's such a grind to get a descendant, why midmaxing is also a mega grind and let's not forget reactor grind, like not everything has to be a grind, makes the game very boring at the end of the day

[@bulthaosen1169]

Just buy it.

[@zelohendricks51]

It's a game about grinding...

[@AliveDaFtPuNK214]

This game relaxes me, keeps me occupied, and I actually have fun playing it. Fingers crossed for more content.

[@TR3Joe]

My wife and I play nearly every day after work and on the weekends. We still love it. But if I was playing solo I’d probably be a little bored. But I have been switching it up playing some single player games in between so I don’t get burnt out. But I’m also a looter shooter fiend. Love collecting and maxing everything

[@j.anthonybattaglini6650]

For me, i just don't have enough the time to grind for the builds that will help me. And I've been stuck on Gluttony for a month. It went from being the most fun game I've played in a while to I'm not having any more fun. I hope they add much more content

[@asd-ub8zn]

It takes so long to complete a build, mostly talking about the weapons. I know there's not much content yet to make it faster, but the meta xp farm is incredibly boring so that doesn't help either.

[@JeyJ24]

The time investment is too high. Leveling isn't even something you can skip. No surprise why people stick to the same gear.

[@mcbro1272]

@@JeyJ24 They've been making improvements. You can level a weapon in 22-25 min no problem. The issue is you still have to do it like 8 or so times for a new weapon... the game has so much potential and I really do like it but I understand not wanting to invest so much time on new weapons and descendants

[@TheAgentAssassin]

I cheese Gluttony with a Kyle lobby. Never going back to that boss until there is another cheese. It's just an annoyingly boring boss.

[@JeyJ24]

@@mcbro1272 I'll go from lvl 0 to lvl 25-30 then log off every time. It's a brick wall whenever I go to level anything

[@davidmorgan3359]

I managed to pull myself away from this game a few weeks ago and stopped because my time was not being rewarded. I doubt I would go back unless they introduce the mother of all pity systems. There are other problems like lack of build diversity, mod capacity, difficult to get build defining mods. Bad inventory, trash gear stats, reactors with garbage stats and stats combos that make no sense. Awful descendants that aren't worth playing. Overpriced shop. But the worst are the drop rates. I've been saying all along this game is done because of the greed of Nexon. They have a month or two to turn this around or it's curtains.

[@hootiemike3091]

I hope the new npc we get to trade our extra stuff to has everything to choose from and not just a few things at a time because i have a ton a good stuff to trade in. That being said i hope what we trade in actually has decent value.

[@NewYorkGameflow]

Too much grind, very little reward. Not enough content. Battle pass is trash, drop rates are trash. The game needs time to figure things out, looking forward to playing in the future.

[@zelohendricks51]

How are rates trash exactly?

[@NewYorkGameflow]

@@zelohendricks51 Two weeks and well over 100 amorph trying to get the piercing light polymer is one example. Much more for trying to get a legacy set... its not some exclusive phenomenon, the reddit forums are removing any discussions involving drop rates for a reason. Too many players are complaining. Of course for anyone who has no problem no lifing a game there are no drop rate issues.

[@zelohendricks51]

@NewYorkGameflow to many are complaining because yall don't get how rng works. It's been proven by many that the rates are fair. Also funny you assume I no life the game. I dont so respectfully, stfu. I have a job and play other games. Your crap luck on a 32% drop isn't a game problem. Again learn how rng works

[@richykid9631]

I moved on already. The grind and drop rates are terrible. Do this mission, to get a small chance at an AM you need…then go take it and roll an even smaller chance once you open it and don’t get what you want. No thanks

[@Baya86]

I've got 730 hours on the clock now, but I'm far from finished. I'm MR26, but I still don't have Ultimate Ajax and Gley. I'm also still missing the Gluttony weapon, and I still have 11 more weapons to upgrade to level 4....It's amazing how quickly some people finish it - well, I only play solo. I haven't maxed out too many characters either. Ultimate Bunny is my main, Haley is now my boss killer. I've also maxed Ult.-Viessa and Ult.-Valby.

[@larrykenneybrew6632]

525 hour dad who plays with destiny, Diablo, and division buddies. We have always been super efficient so it makes sense I have 14/17 characters only MR20 most weapons done and all ultimate characters and gluttony has been on farm mode for a while. Playing with people is night and day when considering playing solo. I feel that this game has potential and eventually I’ll fall behind but as of right now I only log in to do dailies and get materials

[@coldfries8976]

As a completionist i agree! Always something to do still, i still want to juice some Descendant and weapons, so that's all i do really until we get new content.

[@hostbug1461]

Yall the minority games dying

[@tatsuyashiba5911]

You're MR26 but don't have 2 Ultimates unlocked and 11 weapons to level?? With the current game version, there is no way past MR26 as of yet, only slightly past halfway of MR26. And with what you said in your post, those are enough to get to MR27, which tells me you are lying.

[@Baya86]

@@tatsuyashiba5911 11 weapons at level 4 from the Ultimates... I'm only missing Ultimate Ajax and Ultimate Gley and the Gluttony weapon for leveling, otherwise I have everything at lv. 40

[@eltreum1]

I slowed down and don't play every day atm because focus grinding for my Eternal Legacy to replace my Thunder Cage kinda burned me out. 80 rounds with Executioner, 30ish Dead Brides, 50ish Devourers I still only have 4/5 built. Executioner refuses to drop the last BP I need rofl. At least the hundreds of dungeon runs were fast and easy to score 2 AMats per run and got a few stabs too. The only upside to all the solo dungeons and colossi I have to farm is I have most of the red mods for the other characters I want to build next, and some nice component set selections. I also accidentally got all the stuff to build a couple descendants and multiple other ultimate weapons 1-2 times so those will be easier to max out if I want. The exchange vendor will be a nice addition to purge things I don't need like 30 synthetic fiber prints for Python. Hopefully you can buy activators and catalysts outright because I have more BPs of those than time/mats to build too. I really like the game and enjoy the invasions and building Haley but I want some variety instead of farming. Open world Colossus fights like one of teaser cinematics showed would be cool. I am wondering if the Mega Dungeon is going to be an open area dungeon with a Colossus for a boss and that is what the cinematic was showing. That would be cool too if we could have more than 4, like a 10-person raid.

[@gerardyimdesign]

For me invasions have been so demoralizing that I don't even want to play the game anymore.

[@earnestbennett7203]

I'm with ya. Just not enjoyable at all.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

Like too hard or? Get an AJAX build he makes them super easy. Now they're even easier since the nerf, I get gold every-time now with 2 minutes+ to spare.

[@rootbeer2622]

Invasions are piss easy now

[@GlennRiccobono]

Gerard if you're not using a character with a build, and a gun with a build, you're gonna have a bad time. Ajax is a great option, but you know what's perfect? Bunny. She runs fast. Saves time. Build her tanky. (Watch RealAsianRobot for a great Bunny mobbing build- seriously) Then max out an Enduring Legacy and melt every boss. Secret Garden is a great second option. But using Bunny you don't have to stop to shoot any enemies - you use her AoE. You only use the gun on the boss. Seriously. I've gotten gold 4x a day for so long it's almost silly. You can too.

[@GlennRiccobono]

Use a tanky Bunny build. Don't shoot use her AoE. Use a maxed Enduring Legacy/Secret Garden on each boss. Congratulations, you're now getting gold 4x a day.

[@lip124]

I hate to say this but they need to follow Warframes model, where they have so many modes-which all of them are horde mode mechanic but it works and make the enemies types a little harder as in let them shut your ability off (they have those enemies type but they don't spawn them in as much). Not to mention easier way to level up your weapons my god its bad.

[@Dragonsbrath]

Yeah I worked at enhancing Greg's to the max and to be honest it's somewhat disappointing.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

I spend most of my time in special operations (horde mode) with Esiemo. He wrecks in that mode. I often end up with over 2 billion accrued damage at the end of the match. Esiemo is so underrated right now. All you need is his red card for his 4th skill, just spam that with max cooldown and range cards. You can wipe 30 enemies with one hit. It's a PIA to control because you can hardly turn a corner, but I've gotten pretty good at planning my attack routes. Esiemo slaps hard.

[@lip124]

@@TheAgentAssassin Horde in the TFD is a joke though, the rewards are terrible. No different enemy types.

[@YoloVib3s]

I'm watching this as I haven't even logged in for like a week.

[@DeibittoLiang]

Logging in, researching crystalization catalysts, and farming the perfect reactors when there is a valby farm for it (only 3 efficient locations for that; one in Sterile Lands, one in Agna Desert, and one in Fortress).

[@TheAgentAssassin]

I hate how I have like 42 blueprints for certain weapons and 10+ blue prints for parts and there is always one part with no blueprint or it's tied to some boring ass normal missions. REALLY annoying.

[@360noahscope]

I would love to see demographic information of the people who have beaten everything and are waiting for more content, because as someone with an 8-5 job, who can only play after work and on weekends (and this is like the only game I play outside of the occasional Overwatch session), I'm still only MR 18, and I've only fully built 2 descendants (3 if you count base bunny and ult bunny separately) and 3 weapons. There's enough content to keep me occupied for a while, and sure a lot of it may be repetitive, but it's still something to do, and as more updates happen, it'll just increase the backlog. I have to imagine the ones who "have done it all" have to be like high schoolers and college students with so much more free time than those of us with jobs lol

[@waltercook9517]

I was hoping with season 1 we would get new areas in the game.

[@IsureamFalling]

This…

[@ronin_sevenfour801]

I’m still new to the game, around 70 hours in but only play weekends. Really enjoying it. Still have sooo much to grind for, will take me months. So I’ll be happy for some time.

[@jaredv5692]

Yeah the game has definitely hit a lul for me. I just log on, do the dailies and hop off. The Invasions aren't fun and there's really no reason to do them. I do like the game and hope they come out with some good/better content in the future

[@Dragonsbrath]

That's me too. Running missions over and over to still not get the items i need is just demoralizing.

[@lexington1514]

Invasions still give you 5 mil gold per day. I do them just for that. 5 mil gold in 15-20 mins is too good to pass up. 💪🏼

[@minimanto100]

Invasions give 1.25m gold per run unless you're already well in the 100mils I'd say it's worth running.

[@jeffwhittall371]

Had a great time with this game. I just hope it continues to be successful so that it’s still going strong in a year when I return. And I hope there’s a lot of content added to burn through next year when I come back.

[@amarodsv]

I think there's defenitely some tedious grind/invasions that needs improvement but I'm overall happy that the game doesn't need me to put 4 hours shift every day to keep me relevant (as D2 or LAO), this allows me to balance my time and play other stuff too which is great

[@christiangraves9597]

I really hope this game doesn’t die because it has so much potential, i just got ultimate bunny n her high voltage now im grinding for other characters build

[@Emma_2Banks]

What’s disturbing is the amount of people that WANT it to die.

[@christiangraves9597]

@@Emma_2Banks especially how many people spent on the ultimate skins n the entire game lmaooo

[@dasanistar3284]

@@Emma_2Banksthis right here 😂 it’s so many

[@wydrasm]

Field completion is already in season, this is those "map" challanges that you can do once and done. We are just missing new descendant as per roadmap, but they are going to bring more I imagine.

[@richard-or3ur]

I'm really hoping they keep adding good content. I enjoy this game quite a bit, and I hope the devs can work some magic from keep the game from getting to stale

[@xxBad_ROBOTxx]

Normal old man gamer here. Level 16. 20-30hrs per week. Game is almost progressing fasting than I can keep up to be honest. I think it’s going at a great pace. 2k hrs Warframe. This is a great-similar game to bounce between

[@DrybearGamers]

Rock on friend

[@overtime8392]

I got everything/one I want and just log in to do my dailies and log out. The foundation of the game is enjoyable, but I've found myself growing bored with repetitiveness and lack of new things to do.

[@varsinzo4844]

I haven't stopped playing since day one. Im playing the game because I enjoy it a lot. I just got Ultimate Viessa a few hours ago and in 3 hours Ill be able to craft Ultimate Valby but I dont have any energy activators left so I need to get at least 2 of those and Im also hyped for Ultimate Freyna, my favorite character. That doesn't mean the game us perfect but the devs are listening and improving the game constantly, so Im optimistic for the future.

[@GrosseFidelity]

Invasions being solo has really turned people away I have a few friends that pretty much stopped because they can't do the main content for the season and I'll admit that I struggle with the invasions solo I am able to solo all the content in the game that can be done solo on hard with no real struggles with two or three descendants but the invasions are harder than anything else for me anyway. I know the top players can breeze through but from what I'm seeing that is not a majority so it's a mistake to restrict it as a solo activity

[@cmdrlightwalker_9877]

I'm in the same boat, I've done a couple of the Invasions, but they are just so annoying. I just hope they learn from this and make all the future seasons accessible to everyone as it should've been. They really shouldn't have been made solo either, I get that it plays into the storyline but the levels themselves scream teamwork. Besides kind of counterintuitive for an mmo.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

Everyone should have good Ajax build for Invasions. Better than Bunny IMO for them. I get gold every-time now since the nerf.

[@GrosseFidelity]

@@TheAgentAssassin working on an Ajax build now but building a character solely for invasions is starting to push me away if i'm being honest

[@airborne1868]

@@TheAgentAssassin I do it with Bunny , her 3 takes care of the adds while I take care of the boss . Easy peasy lemon squeezy

[@airborne1868]

It's going to be change so you'll be fine .

[@jaredsmith4919]

I can definitely say I'm burning out slowly. The chances for obtaining weapon materials only speeds that up.

[@miel307]

Imo the grind is just tedious atm. What I like about Warframe resource grinding is that you have (most of the time) tons of missions and ways to grind resources to build stuff like forma and potato's. In TFD you are stuck doing the same missions over and over and over. I am so bored of grinding barrier deactivation for those stupid brains and sensors. Nor do I want to do the one dungeon to get my batteries. Let us grind stuff with more mission variety. Also, outposts are still garbage.

[@leoskykuni]

People who have spent an average of 4 to 8 hours a day since release complaining that there isnt enough content i dont think have realised a few things 1 how much they've actually played 2 that this game is free to play 3 its very unrealistic to expect them to somehow release massive content updates after 2 months 4 that you know those builds you spent 25 hours crafting you have the option to just actually play the game for fun

[@Dragonsbrath]

Good point. I think people expect too much but the ones who spent the rent money on ups are probably barking the loudest.

[@Mksuper9]

I might be in the quiet minority but id really like it if every boss can be played solo im sure theres a way that it can be done mechanics wise

[@ThePinheadRapidz]

Yeah I agree mate, relying on other people to have sweaty builds too is a nightmare sometimes

[@Dragonsbrath]

I can't even beat the hard colosus with a group of four blasting away. I'm sure I missed something somewhere just don't know what.

[@kingvelasquez1579]

Its definitely not over and only 2 months old. Give this game a chance or take a break if your tired.

[@siecefire5613]

They should have made story accessible on normal mode. Bosses in invasions one shot you, even if you are at 70/70 with good mods. The puzzles are also unnecessary and annoying IMO. I think it centers around trying to get people to spend more money on activators and catalysts for people that can't grind that much. Quit playing until they maybe make the game more accessible for average players. Like Asmon said, if you make a game for the 1%, don't be surprised when they are the only ones playing your game. Sadly, I had high hopes but Nexon is Nexon.

[@MasterStacona]

Natural player peaks is Summer and Winter updates are high, September is low player month, February and March is a low player month. You are not going to get something substantial again until when they do their winter update.

[@LlamaKingGaming]

Deathstalker will be the end of the game. Gluttony almost did them in because of the simple fact that you absolutely need a team to do the fight. Nearly impossible to complete the fight with a random group. Now imagine a boss that's even harder than gluttony with a random group. This Is the End.

[@zelohendricks51]

You aren't smart

[@Alfhar]

Depends on how hard it is. Gluttony random matchmaking was impossible at launch but after a few weeks and most people learned it’s less miserable.

[@outlawkaz6715]

Just farmed gluttony today to get a maxed peace maker all with randoms. It’s not that hard. If you need help I can queue with you.

[@kingtyger8702]

My couple of complains arent game breaking but wtill annoying, but i havent quit. -Invasions should be in group -Normal descendant should be able to go ult(i read they working on it) -Would love to try descendants in the training room before trying to unlock them.

[@phantasy4086]

I only hear ppl with 800+ hours complain about no content. Yall are losers saying this newer game doesnt have enough content when you bled it dry in the first two months. Its your own fault you sped run it and are bored.

[@IamthesonofSpardayo]

Bro got ofended 😭😔👊

[@samst-louis9389]

@phantasy4086 No life sweats will complain about everything, just makes me laugh when I see 800+ hours, that means they have no life outside of video games...it sad.

[@IsureamFalling]

Why you pressed about this lol , people like this are the ones pushing devs to worked harder and faster , besides , how are they losers when they have everything lol

[@altanic5855]

So far I'm really enjoying the game. I'd love to see them make some of the areas more visually interesting. Just so that it doesn't feel like you're always fighting in a wasteland, but a different biome. I love the swamp and some of the other architecture you start to see mid-late campaign. Also, if possible, make the AI more intelligent. I think it would make the general missions more engaging, and the enemies won't be so predictable. Lean more into outfit and character customization, and making ways for it to be more accessible and without paying. Like separating existing armor pieces into different sections of the body or layer of clothing, and be able to add/remove/accessorize. I don't know as much about the more hardcore late-game experience, but I think that these might still make the game more interesting in other ways for people.

[@jt627]

I think for me my biggest issue is you have to pay for characters beyond 10 and loadouts. Have a way to earn those additions in game. I've bought the season passes for both pre and season 1, but if part of the game is to work towards collecting characters don't force me into spending money to do so.

[@SUPERSHADOWXCZ]

I’m still farming. Plus I’m using it to catch up on One Piece. For those who know, I went from Punk Hazard to Whole Cake island. Movies included.

[@henrywendell570]

They need to fix outpost drops or add AM’s for certain weapons on hardmode bosses. All I have left is to max out every weapon however the thought of having to farm either an outpost with worse drop rates than the actual weapon part you need or a normal mode boss turns me away from doing them. For example kings guard lance farming 3 out of the 4 pieces are farmed from outposts where you can get 15/20 runs with a sharen and not get a single AM drop, only to finally get a bunch of them after an hour to then get the 6% drop rates is a sure fire way to turn some people away actually farming it.

[@bjorn970]

I would love to level my weapons and characters more, but I’m not going to stare many hours on a screen waiting for a catalyst to be done. So usually I login once, do my daily activities, use a catalyst, level up, logout again.

[@skinnii3dart844]

I have unlocked 21 descendants (without paying for any of them). I have all of the Ultimate weapons apart from the Peacemaker because I haven't progressed past Frostwalker (I haven't even tried it as a solos player and I have little desire to). At the moment I'm logging on and doing the invasion missions to complete the seasonal challenge (I want to unlock as much from the Battle Supply Coin shop as I can). Then I farm mats for catalysts, collect any that have cooked and start researching the next one. That's it. I have 7+ catalysts on the 3 main descendants I use (Ultimates for Bunny, Valby and Gley) so I have no interest in levelling other descendants. Apart from Ultimate Freyna and her backstory and the utility companion there's little that excites me about the season update. I'm waiting to see the grind needed to unlock her. If it requires the new Colossus I may just walk away. The game needs to release content for all levels of player. Focussing on a new Colossus with complicated mechanics does nothing to retain the core player base.

[@Baya86]

Absolutely agree.

[@JoblessJoshua]

What utility companion?

[@GlennRiccobono]

​@@SurfyXOis gonna be different person to person because RNG is a cruel mistress

[@xlamericanbullypitbull7237]

Same here just getting duplicate to better my gold weapons and upgrading my favorite descendants

[@tomthomas3499]

@@SurfyXO Bunny is one of the more easier one relatively speaking, Gley or Viessa on the other hand, i can see why some people were upset when they nerf her healing, you spend so much time unlocking her, making her absolute boss killer, then nerf her and ontop of that Hailey can do what Gley can now without the annoying part of managing her HP lol.

[@bitterblossom19]

New colossi being a heavily mechanics based fight will be the subject of complaints, ngl. Frostwalker, molten fortress, gluttony showed us how bad it was, gluttony on steroids is gonna be a shtf scenario for the devs.😂

[@jaredv5692]

Yeah, I stopped playing the Intercepts at Swamp Walker because I know finding random groups to do the harder Bosses will be nearly impossible

[@XY-Phoenix]

U can kill molten and frostwalker without even taking attention to them...​@jaredv5692

[@TheAgentAssassin]

Get a good Lepic ULT build, you can slap Frostwalker before goes immune. There are many lepics out there now so 2-4 in the lobby slaps instantly. The ONLY boss in the game that I avoid is Gluttony. Hailey too of course is the new Colossus meta.

[@bitterblossom19]

​​@@TheAgentAssassinGluttony is easy as an Enzo/Yujin main since you are the guaranteed 1 descendant necessary to make the run smoother. A debuffer Sharen works wonders. A Valby who knows what they are doing is welcome. People ditching greg and using maxxed out Enduring Legacy instead is enough. Greg is fine but the vfx obfuscates the line of sight of anyone trying to hit weak spots. As long as no one brings a sub level40 descendant it's doable. I've had a level 1 gley and level 20 base bunny ruin a run earlier-had to revive them as Yujin every time something breathes on them-I just gave up trying at one point. Lost the run at +80m damage dealt and my dps was wrecked just by reviving the two.

[@qualitycustoms4597]

Another thing could do that I would like to see is a say to upgrade the purple weapons like maybe the base stats or upgrade g them to ultimate and picking talents from a lot pool would be a nice feature

[@zetaalpha9974]

I tend to run as a solo player and at most I play an hour or two when I play. I'm still farming for descendants and weapons I only have a handful unlocked. The game still kind of fun from my perspective.

[@nathanblanck9566]

I still stand on the fact that the game has an unseen paywall later on. If this game wants me to continue to grind descendants, they really need to make it so I don’t have any way to get more than 10 without paying for Caliber and thus more slots. If there was a way to get descendant slots in game I think that would also encourage more player engagement. And then they would just refund the caliber for people who paid for descendant slots since that’s silly

[@meneldal]

In a way a lot of descendants you probably won't like and feel like you can just trash them once you got the mastery rank out of them

[@nathanblanck9566]

@@meneldal ok but that doesn’t warrant me having to pay for them. If I’m already doing stupid amounts of grinding for most descendants, I shouldn’t have to pay just to access the stuff I already grinded out for

[@Smashingg]

They have to address the building into normal descendants be worth it making it transferable to ultimate version. That will be the only reason to keep playing because 3 months updates is wayyyy too long. I dont even care about the daily logins anymore sitting at 100m having all the MR possible, most mods being fully upgraded it’s deadass boring :(

[@jeffrey778]

if all they add is a new complicated speech therapy boss. im not coming back to the game. i dont like being forced into voice chat in these fast paced games. squad based mechanics dont belong in this genre

[@TheUnexpectedFan]

I'd like to point out that although im not learning the game, I am also not at the end game. And there are quite a few people like me. I haven't even beaten Devouerer on hard yet. But what is limiting my playtime is the stack of failures that have happened. Of course things are getting fixed, but there are quite a few good options to spend my time on rather than wait for them to fix things.

[@clark1066]

I don't see this game dying. I very much see the game becoming one of those games that you only play once every couple weeks or months.

[@davisandthebagels1634]

i wish weaker versions of the colossi would appear in missions like in the trailer

[@Peopleschamp301]

19k current players on Steam. I know many might play on console but damn did they disappoint with the Season 1 launch. There is absolutely nothing fun to do with other players and that is ultimately killing the game. It's simply boring.

[@geraldclark9280]

What do you mean this October. You mean this December all we’re getting is a boss fight people probably aren’t gonna like in October.

[@glovebox421]

there is just nothing to do. we need more game modes. they use 2 months to release an update you can complete in 1 day

[@turnersutherland]

They need to allow us to fuse our regular descendant into the ultimate versions.

[@Kiadaw77]

I just started the stop playing phase.

[@jenslundell4375]

I think a lot of players are fed up doing the long grind over and over again. Same mission to do after reset level on Decetends after doing catylism on slot and so on.

[@masspayne]

Thats because players want infinite content or so much content that they can run out of it the thing is these things take time to develop and ppl drop the game because they rush stuff and run out of stuff to do really quick. Just play casually and everyone will be fine. Just yesterday i was looking at my inventory and saw i had 2 ult viessa parts from grinding other thing and i was like "oh well might try get her last two parts " 5 ammorphus materials later i had all the parts i needed lol would i be mad if i didnt? not really

[@TheMarcone1985]

the vendor must be good, i dont pretend to have accces to the most famous/hot skin but at least should give us acces to unlock colors, descendat slot, something like this

[@ironman82tr]

I think people need to chill, the game isn't even 3 months old. They done alot of good things we asked for and more to come. There are plenty of other games to play right now. Give it time to add more stuff.

[@Alex-uq5ez]

They really need to add fun alternative content... Atm the entire game is fairly linear, you do the story, enter hardmode, grind so you can progress bosses and do invasions... then you just work your way up through the bosses and are done. Some descendants are just, bad... some of the strong ones are just boring to play... Theres no real fun game modes to mess around in like a swarm mode, an arena (like the index in warframe) or maybe a roguelike would be fun... I like the game, I enjoy how it handles but theres only so many times I can kill the same handful of bosses, or run circles around the same objective to grind kuiper

[@Dragonsbrath]

True words.

[@michaelcaley1359]

I want the Intercept bosses in the open world like they are in the cinematics.

[@VulcanLogic]

I've burned through the content. I've got all descendants and all the good weapons at tier 4 with an energy converter, more than enough converters and catalyzers to fully max out five more weapons/descendants and the AMPs to max many more. I'll be back on the 10th.

[@devondorr8212]

I don't think people are quitimg because they've finished the game. A lot of the reviews on steam implied the that they got fed up with the grind after endgame. TFD manged to be more tedious than WF in some aspects even though the overall system is more streamlined.

[@Kjklump]

For me there's alot of "what's the point"?. I've gotten all the ultimate descendants and weapons and the standard version don't make any sense to invest time into. Didn't really care for the invasion as i have other solo games to play and enjoyed playing this game with friends. So im just in a holding pattern, i like the game and understand its going to take time to develop. So ill probably just play it as stuff drops.

[@Herbagamers]

I'm working on 4/4 all weapons. Haven't done Gluttony more than once but I will soon ask for a team so I can run like 10 times and get peacemaker which is the only weapon I don't have crafted. Just put Ult Ajax in the oven which is my last descendant missing. As of right now if I could get on the crafting right on time every time it would take me about 2 days to finish getting what I'm missing 4/4 Sooooooo yeah kinda done... still going to max out some weapons via resets and such but I do think I'm cutting it kinda close for oct 10. Really won't look at anything else until POE2 so I got time

[@bobmalarkey4621]

I can say this as to where the game is right now; One of the last times that I played, I fell asleep in Albion, woke up 6 hours later and still hadn't been kicked for idling. Before the season 1 drop, I'd get kicked for idling in the time it took to go smoke a cigarette on my back porch which is connected directly to my "game room". I called this from the beginning. There will be a player spike to get ultimate Freyna. But if that grind is locked behind the new Colossus or anything like Hailey's grind, I'll bet that many won't even finish the grind or do it at all. The damage they did with season 1 and the lack of content that it provided has been pretty bad. It's gonna take a huge miracle to get players back. A new boss, a new reskinned character and difficulty tier are not gonna help. The Bunny problem needs to be addressed, the mobile game mechanics need to be dialed back, the battle passes need to be completely reworked, and the list goes on. Now that people are out of the honeymoon phase with this game, all the issues and problems that many of us have been bringing to light since day one are finally starting to be noticed. I enjoyed the game thoroughly for about 500 hours despite the huge problems. But the last 300 were enough to have me put the controller down and just walk away. The fact that there will be nothing even resembling a new piece of content until December is a very telling sign of how the future of this game will be. I don't think Nexon knew what they were getting into with this TFD. You can't just plagiarize two long standing franchises, add tits and ass, and expect the western market to be happy. Western culture is far different than the usual lonely Asian men that Nexon usually targets. You gotta have some meat and potatoes to go along with the dessert if you're gonna win us over. Western culture isn't as much of a sex deprived idiot group as the rest of the world has been led to believe. What we are starving for is a game or games that don't have politicized agendas shoved in our faces, games that have fun and enjoyable loops, and games that we feel some sort of reward for time invested. In the case of TFD, we need bigger maps in the "open world" sections, along with something to do in those sections other than using Enzo to open vaults. We need a reason to work with other players other than to ride the coat tails of others to the boss rooms or beat Colossi. The characters need to be able to synergize with each other because as it stands right now, outside of Colossi battles, who dealt damage first nullifies everyone else's damage. A trading system or vendor is definitely needed but I think we all know how horrible it's going to be with what I'm sure is going to be more forms of impossible grinded currency. Basically, if Nexon wants this game to survive, along with printing them some money, they need to move away, as far as they possibly can, from the turn based mobile game systems and mechanics that they've used for so long to fleece money from players for just as long. This is essentially asking a corporation to stop being so goddamned greedy and let their development team make a good game. Sadly, that won't happen in the near future and the game will take its final dying breaths before season 2 can even be announced.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

Hailey was rather easy for me, just takes a long fckn time. Now I have her maxed out it's fun to one tap some of the Colossus bosses.

[@bobmalarkey4621]

@@TheAgentAssassin I enjoy being able to play the game with her as well, but I'm more of an AOE/support guy when it comes to games that have classes. The grind for her wasn't that difficult, as you said, but tedious and drawn out as long as possible to essentially force people to buy her (The mobile game tactics that I mentioned). Having to run the same missions again and again, upwards of over 200xs per individual mission, has left a lot of people burnt out, including myself. I was using the Hailey grind to level other characters and weapons, and now I could honestly careless about ever having to run missions again. It certainly doesn't bode well for the higher tier difficulty coming in October, because we've all run these missions a million times now. Just adding another tier to them is really no incentive for players to come back long term. This is all we're getting until December, and there's still just under 3 weeks for the Ultimate Freyna drop. The game cannot continue, or even stay relevant, if Nexon proceeds this way. Just like the game needs a major overhaul, their thinking and planning for TFD needs one as well.

[@darwinia8]

I'm Master 23. This game feels.like.a job. I thought that as I played it would feel less like work and become, well, fun. It just didn't. I'm searching for a new game.

[@breakn2007]

Streamers! Not everyone burns through a game like a streamer. Not everyone has time to grind & play 24 hrs a day. There's still plenty playing I'm sure

[@samst-louis9389]

Exactly 💯 Always make me laugh when I see comments like "I'm mr26, got all descendants and weapons and nothing left to do." 😂 Ok so you don't have a full time job then. 😂🤣

[@leonkenedy4616]

Slow but steady progress. Stop turning the game in a freaking speed run.

[@Emma_2Banks]

I’m really starting to hate the gaming community. All yall do is complain and compare. It’s not “make or break” all the people who despise the game have already left and all the people who are non stop complaining are just going to do that for eternity. Since people love to compare the two, Warframe was nowhere near a perfect game when it came out and it didn’t have a lot of content either. Give. It. Time. I don’t care if I sound like a boomer but damn, people these days have no idea how to wait and be patient.

[@jason___4010]

October 10 needs to be more than good. What i would do is have more transdescant mods for the Ultimate Descendants that would change the builds up more. I would also add skins that could be acquired both for descendants and weapons as well as one new world. It's make or break at this point. As for me I'm playing Warhammer Space Marine 2 right now and probably won't go back to TFD unless they make it worth it.

[@audgeirr]

Really enjoying the game a lot, but i am in early stages. The developers should not give up, there is something solid and great here. They should just learn, improve and understand the kind of content the end-game players want, to keep these players happy since they seem to be the most vocal.

[@seannysworld1238]

I don’t even bother with the invasions. I maxed out Ultimate Valby and I close to maxing out Ultimate Bunny. I find the Ultimate Descendant loop to be pretty engaging so far!

[@iForeverImmature]

i played it for about a month, but i felt exhausted pretty soon, the monetization seemed predatory and the game repetitive and generic... skins are cool tho. but during that time one name pop off a lot: warframe. one of the games tfd was inspired from, so i decided to give it a try. i was hooked to it after 3 hours (something i never felt after 100+ hours on tfd), the movement of that game is just second to non, and soooo much content to do, sure there are some repetitivness too, but it doesnt feel that bad. im already 200 plus hours on it and guys... think i found it, i think i found that game i know i'll be playing 10 years from now

[@pillagius]

I'd say The First Descendant doing OK. People who expected different kind of game already got filtered and many more just wait for good content drop. Currently there are two problems: - lack of content - will solve itself with time. - lack of engaging activity - is what game currently needs. Maybe something as basic and dumb like rogue-lite, or even roguelike dungeon, something a bit more challenging, procedually generated, because running same exact missions, with same exact spawns for X-hundred and first time feels really stale.

[@brandondb6190]

This game is an experiment in patience for me and I have almost run out.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

I wish we had some sort of trade box system. Some weapons I have 42+ main blueprints for and not even 1 weapon part blueprint for. I look at the requirement for the missing print and it's tied to some lame ass normal mission and common colossus or one of the void things where I need to stealth it to get the special drop. I just can't commit time to a boring normal mission for 100 times over. I guess EVERYONE should have at least Sharon and Enzo in their descendant list.

[@DECEPTICONUK]

We need real raids, not just rehashing old dungeons. I'm logging on to twiddle my thumbs.

[@justinsaiyan5587]

I still regularly play and have since launch. I don’t have unlimited time in the world to just no life this game and I have other games and things I enjoy to do with my life. Season 1 so far hasn’t been great but a majority of my time is still farming for more Ultimate Descendants and weapons and kiting them out to prepare and build my account for future content. Hopefully things like mega dungeons and other new modes will make the work I’m doing now feel like it paid off building out my roster. Love the game but man it’s just missing that drive to wanna build for certain activities and that push to get stronger. I enjoy seeing bigger numbers but at this point it makes no difference

[@Xavier3441]

Brother love ur content. I’m one of those who has everything in the game and all my weapons at 4 stars. I’m just readjusting some stuff and trying to prepare myself for the update.

[@bazementgremlin845]

I'm part of the 23% sometimes I don't even log on to collect the stuff I've made. I think with diablos expansion and CoD coming out in October this game is not in a good spot to keep player retention

[@gamerwits4329]

The word Nexon is all you need to know to where TFD future will be

[@titaiao]

I literally just enter the game to grind invasions and catalyst, once in a while I help a friend of mine too (literally carried his ass)

[@victorygo]

TFD needs world boss

[@remongrabu]

Hundred percent agree TFD is very close to it's sink or swim moment, at least for me anyway. I clocked in 202 hours, mastery rank 16. I'm a Valby main (regular, haven't bothered to grind for the ult), have Sharen and Enzo set up to be able to participate in their respective mechanics/activities. Thanks to your videos and guides I consider myself quite well informed (at the same time the game is so bafflingly lacking in this respect). Must admit I succumbed to the FOMO hook and log in daily to do the activities, so as not to miss out on the kuiper and gold but it ocurred to me this should not be the reason making me log in - the game itself should. And after one or two hundred hours of casual playtime, the game has little to offer unfortunately, besides the mind-numbing pointless grind. Personally I wish it had more engaging core gameplay mechanics, like a perfect reload system (Gears of War had those), running slide to get into cover quicker or avoid damage, crouching in place to increase weapon accuracy/reduce recoil for those critical weak point spray-downs or receiving defence buffs, a working cover system, markers to designate the weak point for the team to focus on first, requesting/sharing ammo (how cool would it be if you could throw a mag of regular ammo to a team mate when their Thundercage runs dry?) and other ways for the player to meaningfully express themselves and interact with eachother within the game. This would at least make the grind a bit more interesting, engaging. Instead the player characters run around like fruit flies, stiff sprites jumping around, strafing wildly (the running animations lack any weight, momentum), spraying the boss enemy with their bullet hoses - this gets pretty stale pretty fast. I really hope Nexon is aware of all of these shortcomings as I think they have a great base to build upon but adding new bosses 80% of the playerbase won't even face is pointless and wont do anything for the longevity. Now that I typed out this rant - I'm feeling quite sceptical about the future of this game tbh. The invasions are so weaksauce and borderline insulting. I guess it's time to dig up something from the backlog.