DS9 Garak lies to Worf (In Purgatory's Shadow)

[@youtubeviewer4472]

Garak in Starfleet. He'd be running Section 31 inside a year. In three years he would talk the Borg into destroying themselves.

[@grandparedpill2695]

And that's just for starters.

[@bryanx0317]

Of course everyone else would just assume he's the simple Federation Tailor.

[@Scicianman]

And only the Q know what he would accomplish in 5 years.

[@roystonlodge]

@@bryanx0317 He and Boothby could be pals.

[@owlsayssouth]

Why do you assume he doesn't already?

[@Aruniel]

"You are a spy, an assassin, AND a saboteur" - Worf remembers when Garak tried to sabotage the Defiant . . . AND HE NEVER FORGAVE.

[@grendelum]

_”I know I’ve done some unfortunate things in the past, and I regret them...”_ So humble 😂🤣

[@CrniWuk]

I think he did forgive You fight well. For a tailor.

[@usafyuros6126]

Defiant is his place to live

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Worf allows him to keep on living, that is as close to 'forgiveness' as a Klingon can get !

[@rasheedqe]

I think he forgave but he never forgot.

[@xxlCortez]

Imagine Garak in Starfleet uniform. The picture is disturbing.

[@multificionado5019]

But possible. If he was a lot younger when he was exiled, he would've applied to the Academy. Shame Tora Ziyal was dead; she would've bee perfect to join the Academy: She wasn't welcome on Cardassia, nor would she be welcome on Bajor.

[@seanwebb605]

Give him one of Troi's old outfits as a hazing.

[@teamnoob52]

@@seanwebb605 I wouldn't be surprised if he took a liking to that outfit, if only to troll Bashir.

[@miguelaprendizaje.2918]

Garak dont use uniform. Hes only a tailor.

[@alaineneuburger2830]

That's the real reason Worf said no, he thought about Garak in the uniform

[@SlimThrull]

How do you know Garak is lying? His lips are moving.

[@MercenaryPen]

you know, I suspect Garak knows a few ways to lie even without talking...

[@VulcanOnWheels]

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[@Oceanic2409]

@@VulcanOnWheels I click on that link, half expecting to be rick rolled

[@armvex]

You know, one time his ship is about to crash in the planet.

[@VulcanOnWheels]

@@Oceanic2409 That just tells me you don't know me. :-)

[@michelguevara151]

"Mr Worf, you're no fun at all" "Good!" 🔥🔥🔥

[@anthonydesroches8897]

was thata lie,hmmmmmmmm

[@5Mariner]

No one can ever replace Michael Dorn

[@SuperAp0calypse]

He is not a merry man!

[@KyleRayner12]

I'm suddenly sad that Garak and Q never interacted.

[@Asertix357]

@@KyleRayner12 Even Q wouldn't touch that one.

[@AndrewJoyce86]

This is what happens when you put a True Neutral character and a Lawful Good character in a room and tell them to talk.

[@donleonsroszavilla5734]

+Andrew Joyce A Lawful Good Barbarian / Berserker ? Is that some type of in house rule?

[@ec-us5mu]

+DonLeons Roszavilla Nah, he multiclassed out of barbarian once he enlisted in starfleet and shifted alignment to lawful. the houserule part is that he can still use his barbarian rage class feature despite no longer being chaotic.

[@legendarygamer570]

+lol 76 Nah Worf was a barbarian though most of the early seasons of TNG. He often growled at the viewscreen too.

[@MalzraAirwynn]

Maybe but not by the time he joined DS9. Sure he's rough around the edges but I don't recall him over going against orders or Starfleet's ideas, so I think the lawful part applies.

[@Elthenar]

Worf was never a berserker. He occasionally got mad but his fighting prowess comes from endless practice and tactical acumen. He also rigidly follows his own code of honor and the laws he swore to uphold. He is also has a very solid set of morals. It had never really occured to me but he IS Lawful Good. So Worf is a LG F20.

[@qwopiretyu]

"Mr. Worf, you're no fun at all." Worf considers and then replies "Good." Everyone shouting out Garaks characterization but that is peak Worf

[@genericalfishtycoon3853]

Came to comments to say the same lol Absolute peak Worf. He's straight up vibing there.

[@bennozappenduster8557]

Worf:"So, skills have to be trained regularly. It has been a long time, I have put my Bathlet to good use. If you continue to annoy me, I will practice on you."

[@EditDeath]

Worf: "If that does not suit your tastes, it has been some time since I have practiced my soccer skills. Perhaps you can assist me with receiving a corner kick. Mind your head."

[@CabbageSandwich]

@@EditDeath Hehe, That's a pretty slick throwback...

[@mattsmt20]

I think Worf secretly likes Garak and respects him it just annoys him greatly that he does

[@pittland44]

I think it's Worf's admiration of Garak that bothers him. Worf is a man who places a high premium on honor, Garak places zero value on honor. This bugs Worf because while he admires Garak and respects his abilities, he cannot condone Garak's ruthless coldbloodedness and his complete lack of honor.

[@austinboylan5476]

At the end of this two parter, it’s clear they develop a respect for each other for the parts they played in escaping the Dominion prison.

[@OpenMawProductions]

"You fight well... For a tailor."

[@joojoojuice]

@@pittland44 Garak is an honest liar who is lacking compunction but secretly has a deep respect for those with honor. why else would he be helping the federation and starfleet, against his own people and the dominion. The federation is a paragon of virtue and honor, they promote leaders based on gravitas and meritocracy over the dominions obedience to the founders and cruelty towards their enemies. garak respects the federation because of their unwavering devotion to honor, for their principles, their unwillingness to break them for anything or anyone. whereas the dominion and cardassians only pretend to have the high moral ground but then secretly break treaties and attack first or occupy innocent planets to expand their influence and power. Garak lies even to himself and says the ends justify the means but he knows he's wrong and he chooses to aid the federation because he feels guilty for all the bad things he has done, well maybe not bad but he certainly feels some remorse.

[@RequiemPoete]

I would say Garak has a sense of honor. There's something to be said about a man who will do what ever it takes to help a cause or person he believes in.

[@azathoth00]

Garak overplayed his hand after Worf said he would consider his application, he just couldn't help himself and start needling the man by saying he would advance faster in rank

[@rbbecker73]

That was obviously intentional. That was his way of letting Worf in on the joke.

[@draftermanswr]

I think he was afraid Worf would go through with it and he would actually get accepted.

[@renviluan2842]

He did not, he knows worf plays a big part in Klingon and starfleet affairs. Even if unintentionally he is always in the center one way or another. This is garak's way of teaching him some politics and ingratiating himself as well. At the same time he prefers a Klingon empire run by worf rather than someone else, with worf's only weakness also his strength, a lack of duality and understanding thereof. I love this conversation how worf slowly begins to realize what garak is trying to do, . How he can't admit being thankful to the lesson and at the same time being taught that it is necessary to comb through lies and how easy it is for him to be sold on one. I mean he alread mentioned that garak is a spy, a liar and a saboteur. How I wish we had shows as engaging and layered these days . It's been years and everytime I re watch these clips I find something new.

[@stevencoardvenice]

Yes it was intentional trolling 😅 He was belittling worf and starfleet. The obsidian order officers like garak are far superior to starfleet in garak's culture

[@stevencoardvenice]

​​​@@renviluan2842 yup this show is so awesome. I was a TNG fan forever and just watched ds9 all the way through last year. Season 6 was incredible. Mr garak and Q are my favorite trek characters

[@thesilvershining]

Garak is the ultimate troll, I adore him. I’ve always particularly loved these two episodes because you see Garak the troll in the beginning, Garak the genuinely vulnerable pained son in the middle, and Garak the brave victor in the end. And because it was Worf that inspired Garak to keep going and overcome his fear and keep working on the transporter, it means a hella lot that Worf acknowledges Garak by saying “You did well” when Garak’s own father could never say it... it’s a really good exchange between two of my faves that we never really see explored again unfortunately.

[@ir2841]

And the good thing with the troll Garak is, that he does not turn into stone when he’s exposed to sunlight.

[@marsneedstowels]

@@ir2841 Because he prefers the sunlight, and hates dark, enclosed spaces.

[@attractivegd9531]

Massive nerd detected

[@martyalexander5627]

Garak is perhaps the best written/acted character in all of trek.

[@cosmictreason2242]

7o9 is a contender. Ignore the fact that she’s clearly cast to appeal to the baser interests, the fact is she was one of the best characterized personalities in VOY and episodes focused on her tended to be the better ones in later seasons

[@garethmolyneux1924]

Garak is my favorite character.

[@stevencoardvenice]

Garak and Q

[@MDE_never_dies]

@@cosmictreason2242 Garak is more interesting, although I can think of two reasons why 7 of 9 is better.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@MDE_never_dies she was actually written well, the leotard was unnecessary and she eventually became asexual to me

[@Lucatin]

Everything Garak says is true. Especially the lies.

[@EXsoldier141]

ESPECIALLY the lies 😏

[@TheRocco96]

And never tell the same lie twice.

[@czert2]

garak should deserve his own series, it was on best characters from all st series.

[@keks1krvmel]

"to start me on my way........ to redemption?" lmao he slipped

[@PaperbackWizard]

That's why he needs to practice. *chuckles*

[@briangesc]

I would have loved to see Garak and Q interact. That would probably have been the funniest interaction.

[@raminatox]

Worf: You are a spy an assassin and saboteur Garak: Now you are making me blush...

[@nickmarsala3787]

Garak should be a member of Section 31

[@kylejacobson9587]

Nick Marsala who says he isn't...

[@Puckanm]

dude... you dont understand The Obsidian order was EVEN greater a force then section 31... garak was a BIG DICK cmon now

[@TheAtkey]

Puck aNm I don't know about that The Obsidian Order operated in a closed almost Orwellian society and everyone knew they existed while Section 31 operated in a free open society conducting covert operations and had operatives in every major power and almost no one outside their organization knew they existed.

[@smartalec2001]

The Obsidian Order was a group everyone'd heard about... but it was impossible to know who was working for them. That's what made them scary. Everyone knew about them but everything they did was still completely secret. That's pretty darn good. The novel Garak's actor wrote has the Order (well, Garak) managing to get a diplomatic conference between Cardassia and the Federation called off, and assassinating a Romulan senator on Romulus - and no-one knows it was them.

[@cameronheaton9900]

He wouldn't be a member give him a week he been running the place.

[@daviniarobbins9298]

He is a good liar. He almost had me convinced the first time I saw this episode. He would make an excellent politician.

[@thewewguy8t88]

Wyon is almost as good rember his conversation with sisko about the minefield. That being said sisko was holding his own as well. I mean sisko tends to know bs when he hears it.

[@DM_Dad]

I have never watched Star Trek, but I've been watching clips lately; I love Garak!

[@niagarawarrior9623]

Garak is my favorite character by far an above. Star Trek is full of interesting characters, some of which we're lucky to see the back stories of in a episode or two, but Garak is really quite a character indeed. If there were ever a Star Trek series to recommend, id highly recommend Deep Space Nine.

[@Caretaker82]

There are many good reasons to watch DS9, but Garak alone is a good reason alone.

[@colinwhitby8219]

Garak is the best character on that show by far!...Worf is a close second!

[@Transgender-ProphetMohammed]

It was a pitty garak had just a few episodes.

[@wafflewagon347]

DownwithMarx if you like clips of DS9, watch Next Gen with a watch guide first - that way you can fully appreciate what Worf brings to the show!

[@animemanXLK]

Worf sharpens his Bat'leth while Garak sharpens his tongue

[@MrGabilonia]

because lying is a skill like any other and if you want to maintain a level of excellence you have to practice constantly

[@PMW3]

"Mr Worf, you're no fun at all!" what if he was still lying

[@johnj3027]

that was the point. he was lying about that but Worf didn't catch it (and the humor of it) which left Garak exasperated... or DID Work catch it and out maneuvered him? Who can say :) Beautiful script and acting.

[@rasheedqe]

You know if garak did join starfleet. He would go straight to section 31.

[@yukin1990]

Agreed, Worf did say Garak is a spy, an assassin, and a saboteur. That is a useful trait for the Section 31!!!

[@rasheedqe]

@@yukin1990 yeah but could they trust him. They seem pretty xenophobic?

[@SoranoGuardias]

Doubtful. They'd likely try to assasinate him. TRY being the operative word.

[@s-094cam5]

@@rasheedqe 50/50. S31 puts the Federation first. While it is comprised primarily of humans, Garak's species itself wouldn't be an issue. And while his skills and assets as a spy would be handy, they would likely believe he'd try and sell them out to end his own exile after suspicion of his loyalties were ended.

[@Egilhelmson]

Of course they wouldn’t trust him; that doesn’t mean that they couldn’t use him. Especially if he is planning operations rather than in the field, executing them, so oversight will be happening, anyway. Plus, anything that needs to get to the Obsidian Order, he is your conduit, as long as you don’t make obtaining the message/info/disinformation so easy that he or the OO suspect that is what you are doing. Plus, he could set up a Section 31/ObsOrder hot line for future use, against the Tal Shiar, frex.

[@tomb7942]

"You are a spy, an assassin, AND a saboteur" Worf says that like its a bad thing.

[@scolkereybel]

I wonder how Garak would have responded if Worf actually signed him up for starfleet, and told the academy that no matter how much he protested, kicking him out of the academy would be a terrible idea.

[@Christinathegirl-77]

Can you imegin the level of trolling, i cant breath, weeeeehzzz. Hahaha😂 he definly should apply to something unsuspiciose like that one starfleet haircutter. Oh im sure that a plain and simple hairdresser would find out one or the other intresting titbit... or a bartender. Not a botanic... but maybe a mechanic. Yes a commander. Imegin him having a higher rank than bashir😅 oh no. The sheningangs.

[@rjmercer042]

Garak was probably my favorite DS9 character. Usually well written, superbly performed, always entertaining, when he wasn't actually scary.

[@dalibordupor3979]

Garak always leveling up that deception skill.

[@BijouBakson]

- Garak: "Mr Worf, you're no fun at all" - Worf: "Good" Haha... Classic.

[@PeterParker-yg6fc]

this should be retitled garak trolls worf

[@tek512]

You could re-title the entirety of DS9 to Garak Trolls Everybody.

[@rickhibdon11]

Garak was far and away the most entertaining character on DS9

[@kairon156]

I always enjoy when writers know how personalities of their characters would interact when they are in the same area for too long.

[@PetersaberHD]

Worf protests! He is not a merry man!

[@volrag]

I know there are so many reasons why it can't happen, but watching this made me want to see a spin off about Garak at starfleet academy.

[@00Boogie]

I'd settle for one where he's not even attending, he's just the gardener and weird things keep happening.

[@chrisd2051]

@@00Boogie so he's scifi Hagrid

[@evilkirk2490]

Garak likes fucking with people! I like him

[@ixiahj]

Lying and diplomacy require the same skill set. The goals are just different. Garak would have been a great diplomat for Star Fleet and the Federation.

[@soldierski1669]

Garak needed more screen time. He's an artist that paints with people's emotions

[@sloanewatson1340]

The fact that he's torturing Worf because he couldn't bring Julian to entertain him with conversation, that's so fucking funny.

[@bobpage6597]

Amusing how when Garak has 'convinced' Worf successfully, he trolls the fuck out of him with a joke about Worf serving under him to bluntly inform Worf 'I'm taking the piss you know!' 🤣

[@simonsays6481]

When I first saw this episode, I actually believed Garak too 🤦🏻‍♂️ I know, I’m a gullible fool. I wouldn’t last one day in the obsidian order

[@thewewguy8t88]

There are a lot of manipulative characters on ds9.

[@lobsterman7153]

Just 2 of my favourite characters on TV chillin together

[@hobanagerik]

I love how Worf just lies back in his chair in disbelief.

[@Phox-VF]

Worf agreed with Garak... that is the shocking and hilarious part and just accepted it for true presented and even made it more fun for Garak.

[@PredatorAlienate]

Garak's weapon of choice -- insincere chatter. Even invincible Worf ENDURES the gab long enough to believe obvious misinformation. The tongue truly is mightier than the bat'leth.

[@scottmatheson3346]

Worf is hardly invincible, he gets dominated all the time as a means of making his opponents appear more formidable. Indeed I think this scene is just a variant of the worf effect.

[@vXArchonXv]

@@scottmatheson3346 Ironically the finale of that two-parter was largely just a Jem'hadar beating the shit out of Worf endlessly in an arena.

[@wafflewagon347]

My favorite two-parter in all of Star Trek!

[@KyleRayner12]

I like to think that if Worf hadn't called his bluff, he'd have applied out of sheer chutzpah.

[@Christinathegirl-77]

This exchange will never not be funny. I adore Garek, he is the heart of the show.

[@tenofprime]

Him, quark and Odo are part of what made DS9 so great. That kind of moral gray area you can run into when members of the main cast are not federation officers allowed for some complicated stories.

[@AmrRivers]

There is something to be said by introducing an established character to another established character and coming up with such great dialogue.

[@mdhj67]

Garak would skip section 31 and go straight to section 32.

[@sg-hunter]

Garak pulling the race card on the Klingon lol

[@christoff124]

garak is such a character.

[@rikosaikawa9024]

Garak is the best character. Wonderfully acted

[@gregolas5873]

My two all-time favorite Trek characters 💗💗💗

[@ragelord2008]

"You are a spy, an assassin and a saboteur" "Oh you"

[@Giraffinator]

"I can be quite the ass" Yeah "et to starfleet" Oh

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Way Back when shows had good writers and interesting dialog...

[@lizardlogic2564]

I just love those guys.

[@GrandSupremeDaddyo]

"Good" Ha ha, he got you there Garak :)

[@hidgrouni7013]

“I could skip the lower ranks entirely and begin my career as a Commander.” 😂😂😂 😂😂 😂

[@NWCountryGirl17]

aww my favorite character being irritated by my 2nd favorite character... good times good times

[@cholodelrosari0543]

Starfleet :"Whats wrong for a Cardassian to join Starfleet?" Nog is a Ferengi *"He was a spy and sabateour"* Starfleet : 😐😐😐😐 Section 31 : "I think we can arrange that"

[@yzmey42113]

I LOLed when he said "tell them you would be honored to serve under me" haha

[@orvillemeadows3492]

He’s a great character and what Star Trek needed

[@lizzychrome7630]

As a former regular of the DeviantArt Complaints forum, I relate to Garak here. Trolling is a skill like any other, and must be kept in regular practice.

[@temporaneo617]

Is there some tutorial on how to become a troll??😂😂

[@vXArchonXv]

Take your skills to the next level and enlist on 4chan. : D

[@Locktwiste72]

As opposite as they may be, I think these two would make a good team, given the right circumstances.

[@Otis151]

I respect the hell out of both thier positions. Barack honing his skills, Worf being AOK with being a grump.

[@larzo4462]

Honestly thought this guy voiced Half Life's G man after listening to him talk at 0:43.

[@Drinksalotobeer]

Garak is freaking awesome! Truly one of the best characters in all of Star Trek lore.

[@TheWPhilosopher]

Mr Worf, you are no fun at all is a compliment from Garak. Plus one last needle to try and get an emotional reaction. Worf's taciturn Good makes Garak smile in respect.

[@boethjelle8769]

One of my favorite scenes in the whole show.

[@thewkovacs316]

one of the greatest characters in all of trek

[@purplefood1]

Garak as part of Section 31 would be a very worrisome thing.

[@danieldickson8591]

He really was selling that lie with great apparent sincerity.

[@RvKsword]

man DS9 really had some of the best characters out of all the ST series

[@YD-uq5fi]

The giveaway right there is that he is seeking Worf's approval, not Bashir's.

[@tbg10101]

Garak almost sounds like the g-man from Half-Life.

[@ThaDoctah]

Garak had Worf as far as he was going to get him when Worf agreed to "consider" signing his letter, so Garak threw him a bone and added that outlandish expectation of skipping ranks. Who doesn't love a bit of Garak banter?

[@Cognitive_Ape]

He should have asked Bashir, with all of his Section 31 connections and all.

[@suburbantimewaster9620]

1:10 Well, if Michael Burnham could do it, I’m sure Garak definitely has a chance. LOL! Sorry, I couldn’t resist!

[@Jokie155]

Consider this; Nog went from cadet during Season 3, to Lieutenant Junior Grade by the end of the show. Harry Kim was an Ensign from the start of Voyager to the end, having left the academy at the start of the show, and still ended up at a lower grade than Nog years after DS9 ended. It's possible Nog even got to full Lieutenant by the end of Voyager. I don't think Garak is that too far off at all.

[@FlaviusBelisarius-ck6uv]

Jokie155 You do realize that pretty much every member of Starfleet on Voyager ascended a rank or two when they got back right? Janeway became an Admiral, Tuvok received a captaincy, Harry became Lieutenant-Commander and so on. All the others who were originally Marquis had their provisional ranks made permanent, minus Chakotay who also became captain. The reason almost no one changed ranks on Voyager was because they were in the Delta Quadrant. When someone is promoted, you’ll need to find someone else to take their post. But exactly where will you find a replacement crewman/officer when you’re 70,000 light years away from the closest starbase? Janeway put it best to Paris: “Your life could be in danger and we need you!” Even Chakotay admitted that people should be encouraged to have children since it’d take them 75 years to get home, and they’d need a replacement crew in half that time.

[@balamx2802]

What about Worf's deception? His teeth look like normal human teeth here. but I've seen him using a tooth sharpener before. What's that all about?

[@KaiserAfini]

The fact he said it all so fluently and without emotion was the giveaway that he has no interest in joining Starfleet for redemption. It sounded too rehersed, especially when compared to Nog's appeal. Garak is a good enough liar to know this, which means the point was to mess with Worf.

[@2Scribble]

1:30 - ya know, Garak, if you were bored - we could have just broken out the Shuttlecraft Bingo...

[@miguelaprendizaje.2918]

Federation should accept him. Hes a cardassian james bond.

[@resolute123]

Especially the lies.

[@Lurker101Gaming]

I suppose you vould say that he is not a merry man

[@MrManueleh]

Mr. Worf, you're no fun at all. Can you take the word of a liar.

[@permeus2nd]

0:36 YES, think how much of an advantage he would be to starfleet, he is already fully trained.

[@otbaht]

While not how they thought he was a great asset to star fleet by translating cardassian messages.

[@babayagaslobbedaknobba]

I think Garak would make a fine Starfleet officer.

[@richiem5112]

If Garak ever tried lying to me I'd probably burst out laughing, tell him to shut up, buy him a drink as I weave my own lines of bullshit just for fun.

[@Micha-qv5uf]

This is a dialogue. What is being published right now is nonsense written by toddlers.

[@hidgrouni7013]

Yes, and superheroes throwing buildings at each other. 😂😂😂

[@Wizardof]

Apparently, they went to the same nebula that Croden went too.

[@LordTalax]

Worf was always incredibly naive

[@babayagaslobbedaknobba]

He should've kept the lie going and pet Worf actually put in a letter of recommendation to Starfleet, just to see what would happen. Lol

[@Mumblix]

"You have no desire to join Starfleet! You are blowing smoke up my ass!"

[@fridayray8891]

Garak would make a great lamp shade

[@MajinOthinus]

"Garak talks to Worf" would have been just as accurate a title and no information would have been lost.

[@morlasa]

Man, I miss this show... I miss identity-intact Star Trek.

[@marsneedstowels]

I too miss socialist, gender fluid, racially accepting, Star Trek.

[@justoandres4951]

@@marsneedstowels With the same level of Quality the new stuff has, I'm sure

[@alistairgeorge5082]

@@marsneedstowels Me too. Especially when it wasn't badly written

[@DerDop]

I love Garak.

[@uraniakatopodi2788]

Garak lies but this time to Worf.