GGG is Back to Work! Nerf Predictions / Bingo - Path of Exile 2

[@connordavis4766]

My prediction is they obliterate stun to deal with the unintended consequence of stun being strong on non-warriors and then just totally forget about the fact that this will brick warriors even harder than they already are. It's a way that warriors can get fucked so it's pretty much guaranteed to happen.

[@sirgalahad42]

it's baffling that same people designed monk & warrior. I'm sorry to even admit but d4's barbarian is leagues above warrior when it comes to the feeling of the class. when you charge with barb you are not stopped by enemies you simly push them around and crash them to walls etc to stun them. just feels amazing comparing to what warrior does right now

[@lokhaxz803]

@@sirgalahad42 Maces are just dogshit, but honestly I'm starting to think Axes and Swords will be trash too and they'll somehow make cyclone unusable.

[@kazmaahr]

This

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

My bet is they are going to nerf anything that goes against their supposed design philosophy but still have the enemies move like bats out of hell

[@lenosantos5175]

Best comment.

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

Freeze and shock stun removed from the game. "This is a buff!"

[@dpolenz79]

I ran a corrupted hunting ground map t15 and corrupted and the crow bell three stage boss had the mana eater debuff in the small arena. You couldn’t stand anywhere and not have your mana soaked on top of his speed.

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

@@totallynottrademarked5279 "the white enemies killing you with lazer beams off screen or oneshots is part of the game design"- some random GGG dev

[@blairowens8912]

Their whole expected outcome is nowhere near slow and methodical. I feel like they'd have to fundamentally change how most skills work. It quickly turned into using one button for most builds.

[@bellpuggoyle3273]

In defence of demon form - 300 stacks is not possible for a lot..but 230+ stack lets you barely do pinnacle bosses on difficulty 4. What should be nerfed is interaction with swaping helmet to mask of the stitched demon. U dont lose ES in demon form+ u get 1,1k life recovery wich let u play with 700+ stacks... THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

[@louieschneider8937]

Fixing that helmet exploit and any incoming nerf to ES should be sufficient to keep demon form inline

[@bellpuggoyle3273]

@@louieschneider8937 It is still fairly squishy build but it balance conditional dmg with being tanky and mobile, while some other builds have tankiness, mobility and much more damage..

[@dakrulz5568]

I could see them putting the 10 stack limit on base demonform and uncapping it with the extra node

[@NickRigas-rd3zv]

@@bellpuggoyle3273 That is literally one singular build that has all of these and it is also being partly abused by demon form

[@bellpuggoyle3273]

@@NickRigas-rd3zv I forgot that monk jumping every single enemy with shattering palm/flicker and clearing whole breach in 2 sweeps is not mobile, tanky (es+evasion) AND powerful, same goes for stormweavers that just need to... S T AY to clear whole screen and ranger that is.. well ...ranger. Demon form is literally using its own mechanics, while other builds dont need such stuff to go ham on everything in their peripheral vision ;___;

[@TheMaw365]

I've got 1900 HP on my Ranger and it's basically a one shot to almost every T15+ skill despite max resists and acrobatics. The way I see it if they don't nerf ES I'm taking it since the only other option is exploding the screen and killing bosses in sub 10 secs as the only other viable survival strategy. Stuck at lvl 93 because something will just detonate under me with no telegraph warning and boom insta death. MY personal favourite atm is the expeditions that spawn death circles under you multiple times in a row. Had 5 come at me once and the only reason I survived is because acrobatics dodged 3 of them. Getting tired of the rando deaths you literally can't see coming or dodge because they get spammed at you making your dodge roll pointless.

[@crackah9823]

I feel you man, i got tired of it so i made a stat stacking merc.

[@salihkizildag]

1900 hp with no es is crazy, people have more hp than that in acts. I have 2900 life and 2000 es, never had that issue in T17-T18 maps "capped resists" isn't a defensive layer, it's what everyone should have and acro doesn't make you tanky

[@tanis016]

You should be taking ES already, get atziri helmet and path to monk side.

[@xRoGeSx]

2k hp and acro is not enough of a defence layer. Acro is really good on high investement where it can pull out dummy percentages, otherwise mixing defence layers is king Having like ~1k ES + Ghost dance + some % taken as mana will make wonders in terms of survivng

[@games2try863]

turns out at least one of on death effects is invisible will probably get fixed next patch

[@dshearwf]

Honestly, there is so much broken balance wise. There is an insane amount of t4 pinnacle one shot builds at this point and this was unavoidable from the get go. I don't think they should waste time on nerfing anything, but generously buff the underperforming spells first, fix ACTUAL bugs with interactions and mechanics to have a clean and safe base for build crafting and then see what happens. After that we need the other weapon classes and skills ASAP, that should be top priority along with fixing the mechanical groundwork. Like there is no real integrity of the game rn anyway, why pretend there is something like a trade economy to "protect" with nerfs. It's literally impossible to do that at this point. Targeted nerfs are also redundant, when the foundation of mechanics like conversion and affixes working under dubious conditions are this bugged rn.

[@sirgalahad42]

releasing the game on dec 6 and then going on a long ass holiday was not the brightest idea tbh.they should have released on jan 6

[@dshearwf]

@@sirgalahad42 nah not at all. it was perfectly fine like that. they are now sitting on a mountain of data they can work with to get the worst things out of the way first. we are beta testers and this isnt a released product. it is in full development and you cant replicate the valuable data and feedback of multiple 100k playing the game internally.

[@sirgalahad42]

@@dshearwf well if they have released jan 6 trade economy would have been in a much better state since they would be able to hotfix instance reset stuff that created temporalis dupes (i do not personally care about any of that since its ea anyway but some people do). They can always sit on lots of data if thats what they want but not having any control or ability to patch things on a game you just relased is never a good idea :) remember how fast they were nerfing jungroan builds when they were at the office. yes you can not guess every single overperformer but you do not have to anyway, just react to what is happening at a decent pace.

[@dshearwf]

@@sirgalahad42 again, you guys are going on about the economy as if it has any meaning or bearing on the game. it's a beta test. there is literally no point in thinking about such things or remedy them. if trade economy would be any crucial aspect of the game, they would have adressed all that already. Like it is probably even beneficial for the testing and development process to have a lil overabundance of the biggest rares and uniques for now to see what players come up with. it's a beta test and nobody cares what you achieve playing a beta test version of a game. There is no integrity that needs to be uphold for any reason, the sole purpose is just to create data for them to continue develop the game.

[@DesmoxMyco]

Instead of nerfing es they need to buff armor and life.

[@Madhoker]

es and evasion

[@vuton7670]

Amour base item get to roll higher life mod too.

[@SealingWG]

both, actually. even if they were equally balanced, ES/MOM builds are way too tanky for scaling a single layer of defense.

[@alexbrestowski4131]

Maybe life but armor would be too strong

[@DesmoxMyco]

@@alexbrestowski4131 are you on drugs? Armor is practically worthless right now.

[@lincolnjohnson4428]

I heard they are buffing beans. And making them smell better.

[@Nokkyu]

4:10 The probably unintended interaction is the "increased attack with bow attacks" working with concoctions. I think the level to ALL projectile skills does exactly what is intended ^^

[@petespeedsxp4967]

yeah thats the only stat that should not work. the rest is generic proj stuff and even works with spells so...

[@karaokepanda8602]

Isn't the unintended interaction that your bow applies to it in the first place? It's technically an unarmed attack. I cant recall how monk unarmed skills scale but I'm pretty sure they have their own scaling and don't scale with the weapon at all. Will note that I haven't played it. It just sounds weird for a quiver and bow to have any impact on a throwable potion in the first place lol.

[@Nokkyu]

@karaokepanda8602 your bow does not apply to it at all

[@Nokkyu]

@karaokepanda8602 nothing on your bow applies to the concoctions. The concoctions are a projectile skills with thrir own Base damage and therefore scale well with Base Levels. Thats also one of the only Things to scale it, there ist only 1 wheel for unarmed attacks in the while passive tree. Making it so that the generic +to Level of all projectile skills from the quiver Not applying to concoctions for some arbitary reason would Nerf the concoctions into an unusable state again, after they were Just buffed. Removing the probably unintended benefits from "damage with bow attacks" for concoctions would reduce the damage by ~30% and leave them in an okayish state.

[@Merlin_Price]

Been far more attracted to Lily's content lately. She has gotten a lot more comfortable just shooting from the hip.

[@sysfrozen]

Hey Lilly the interaction with concoction that is not supposed to be happening is not the projectile skills… it’s the increased damage with bow skills seeing concoction is a projectile but not a bow skill

[@Michael-ci5hl]

it's the fact that the skill itself says "dealing UNARMED Chaos attack damage" but the attack damage is counting "increased levels of projectile skills" from your quiver that is being buffed by your bow, meaning it isn't really unarmed.

[@ivansciacca7810]

@@Michael-ci5hl The attack is unarmed, the effect is still EQUIPED. It doesnt use weapon stats like attack dmg or speed, but prefix and affix are not weapon stats.

[@sysfrozen]

@@Michael-ci5hl are you confused? it could be a mace attack... A wand attack.... A unicorn attack. This is not the point, the point is it is classified in the tooltip as a PROJECTILE a projectile in PoE2 is classified by a ranged animation that throws out an object... No bug here, now if what your saying is it should not give SPARK ranks because it is a projectile then they would have to change the terminology of all PLUS ranks. Shockwave is a melee ability but who is playing shockwave in melee? I hope this clarifys. The person who is behind a lot of the concoction builds has said the bug is not in the skill ranks but in fact behind the DAMAGE WITH BOW SKILLS

[@sysfrozen]

@@Michael-ci5hl oh and for further refrence you can put spark on your action bar and get ranks to skill from that as well :D

[@Michael-ci5hl]

@@sysfrozen I'm not arguing if it's intended or not, personally I don't think they'll change it working while holding a bow. Just letting you know there's more to the argument than just the bow skills part. Numerous streamers mention it's a possibility, even the maxroll guide mentions it.

[@Mercavo7]

No way evasion should be nerfed.

[@BuffFrostMages]

This is the only one on the list that I would be shocked if nerfed.

[@metaminerx]

only thing that seems balanced in the game lol

[@grraul2871]

@@metaminerx and even then you feel like it`s not working lmao

[@Felixuwuowo]

evasion + es is incredibly strong, even evasion itself is significantly better than just by itself, espically with acro.

[@amisfitpuivk]

I like where evasion is bc crafting sucks and it’s not easy getting 2 good evasion stats on all the items. I’m sure with crazy gear it’s crazy good. I’m running around with 29-30k evasion without acro on and it’s good but I’m still at risk if I get caught in slams/aoe. With acro I go down to 75% evasion, but I die less with acro off. Glass cannon without points to spare to reach the big ES nodes

[@EmberHext]

The only thing that seems bugged with Concoctions is that they get damage from "Damage with Bow Skills" on a quiver. I've migrated my build away from using that because I expect it to go. Quiver effect working with proj skill levels seems fine. A 250% Widowhail gives +5, which is the same you can get from a bow.

[@ZoomsFate]

Nerfing Grim Feast, Archmage, ES, Everlasting Gaze, and Freeze / Stun all in one patch would just massacre sorc tbh. Been running Archmage Eye of Winter, and without a decent Archmage, I'm not quite sure how to scale DPS for non-lightning sorc to a competitive level with other builds in the game. I admit that I can just be naive to some options, but just an initial concern if this bingo card is on the money whatsoever. Additionally, I have a large concern that if all the items in my list get nerfed (which yes, I'm expecting they will), then lots of tree points will have to be routed into a bunch more defense. I get that it's somewhat expected, but I think the DPS drop for sorc with everything combined will be so significant that it's just gonna make the class feel dead compared to other popular classes. In my opinion, ES doesn't even feel super great until you get CI. Even at high amounts. Reason being that one single freeze / stun, or as you put it "a single pebble" can just chunk tf out of it. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this! Love the content!

[@darkinsanity98473]

Lots of people will fuckin stop playing if they do that. I put 300+ hours into my character and if they nerf the shit out of it I'm done. They don't need to nerf anything except maybe what allows one shots on the top end, anything else will hurt other players who are just trying to get comfortable in endgame and do decent damage and make the game just unfun.

[@ZoomsFate]

I agree! I’m not saying I want them to nerf any of this, it’s more that I just expect that these items will at the least get tuned. Trying to be hopeful that it’s not too bad 😄

[@ezet]

They've said they won't do meta changing nerfs anymore before the reset/next league. These things will obviously be nerfed then, but not likely during the first stint.

[@ZoomsFate]

Here’s to hoping! 😄 I trust GGG, but they scare me sometimes with patch notes haha

[@darkinsanity98473]

@@ezet I mean, I'll accept that, as long as my progress doesn't get ruined right in the middle of working on it. I really dislike nerfs in general but that is much better if they handle it that way.

[@MrRed2611]

3:20 yeah but if they nerf spark and archmage they should buff something to the sorceress, now everything else is unplayable.

[@darkinsanity98473]

I don't know why everything thinks Archmage specifically should be nerfed, people are so dramatic and quick to call for nerfs, it really is just about the only playable build on Sorceress. If anything at all needs to be nerfed, it's just the top end that allows for ridiculous one shots, anything else will hurt more moderate players(the majority of the playerbase) and just make us quit.

[@ezet]

@@darkinsanity98473 People are missing the whole point. The problem is archmage being only viable build - so the solution is no nerf archmage AND at the same time buff everything else. For example: nerf archmage and buff the base dmg of every spell. Not nerfing archmage would be idiotic as with the current state there is zero sense not to take it on every build. And if you just buff everything else, you are also buffing archmage as it scales everything multiplicatively

[@darkinsanity98473]

@@ezet No, just give Sorcs different ways to scale damage so that Archmage isn't the only viable thing you can do. Because without it, Sorc would do laughable damage.

[@dmitrijsmironovs7513]

good, if everything is unplayable they will have to look into it properly and buff more things. This will be good for everyone in long term trust me

[@divinityai]

@@darkinsanity98473 because it's the strongest build in the game with best clear/single target AND tankiness. And everything is possible due archmage/mana. Have you played any other class? Sorceress archmage is 5 times more busted than everything else from like 50 ex budget to infinity.

[@JDMStav]

I hope they nerf the enemies that charge at you. Ever since they patched the dodge roll I get pushed halfway across the map by some of those f***ers

[@sirgalahad42]

every single delirium mirror thing does that too. enemies coming from those cracks push you so fucking much it's not even funny lol

[@JDMStav]

@sirgalahad42 and blood waves in rituals, come to think about it. Lol

[@newax_productions2069]

i really hope they don't nerf ES it's the only viable defense option, imo they need to bring the other defensive options in line with current ES.

[@chandothemando]

Wrong. ES is out of band too high. It needs to be cut down a lot and armour needs to be increased. Evasion is very strong currently.

[@dmitrijsmironovs7513]

@@chandothemando i only found out yesterday that evade works like LE dodge, where pretty much anything can be dodged and nothing happens. I thought it might just reduce dmg and be stat for rangers/dex builds same as ES. But it seems like it would probably benefit any class

[@1braincellwhm]

​@@chandothemandowrong. Es is balanced with the exception of grim feast. Evasion is the best defense in the game because you simply avoid dmg to begin with. Armor needs a ton of buffs to be brought up to par.

[@eldenking2098]

@@chandothemando Wrong. Low IQ mentality. End Game is different for a reason than Campaign. You just want to sabotage the game for the 95+ casual player base.

[@eldenking2098]

@@1braincellwhm Wrong, Grim Feast is a game mechanic / feature, it works as INTENDED!

[@Beardmage]

Attribute stacking actually does a lot of damage ! My build is prob 300 divs atm but I was deleting T4 pinnacle bosses in a couple seconds even before getting Astramentis (Not using mass tempest bells either). The build is actually quite stupid and poe1 tier, deleting entire screens when hitting any mob, having 4k hp/mana without trying, while moving at like +80% ms.

[@RathVantas]

PotCG or something else? I saw a pretty cool attribute stacking HOWA crossbow build I wanted to try but it is quite expensive so I'm kinda waiting to see the first big patch before I consider investing. Not really for power cause I am deleting bosses and maps with bow deadeye already I just like trying different stuff lol

[@Beardmage]

@@RathVantas Yeah it's a gemling pillar build ! Tbh it's early access, it's the best time to try out stuff and have fun :)

[@ichrastegleichauslol]

LEAKED PATCHNOTES: -rarity removed from gear as a modifier, and put on waystones. -maplayouts removed from atlas mappoints, and put on waystones. -lever animation fix -soulcores/runestones can be replaced -icestrike invoker monk nerf (and general monk nerfs) -spark lightning sorc nerf (and general sorc nerfs) -archemage skill nerf -the adorned unique jewel nerf -herald skills nerf -minion ai fixes -melee minion buffs -buffs to life -nerfs to grim feast, way higher int req for lvl 1 grimfeast and overcap nerf -buffs to armor -strongboxes buffed -chests buffed -untainted paradise exp buff -vaults of kamsala buff -trial of sekhemas bugfixes -tower changes -goldsink buy/sell function added to hideout alva npc -more attempts for citadels 2-3 -tradesite filter additions for jewels that were missing added -tradesite total resistance tag added -omen sceptre buff faster 0.5% critical weakness stacks and bigger aoe. -temporalis unique nerf (spamblink nerfed) -spirit reservation reduced from blink -temporalis duplicators banwave -movementspeed buff -pinnacle bosses hp raised.

[@noimnotnice]

And why would evasion be nerfed? In the absence of energy shield as the go-to OP mechanic, evasion is weak and Acrobatics will have to be buffed long term.

[@borgirlol]

evasion nerf is a joke, I am 78% evasion with acrobatics and 2k life, bosses are oneshotting me, cuz they have just unavoidable attacks that completely negates evasion so I have 0 armor and 0 ES ....

[@bisha9347]

Evasion is a conditional defense and the only reason why people go evasion is because evasion energy shield hybrid… the only reason ever why people go pure evasion is either queen of the forest or because life and armour are completely dog shit.

[@Square_One]

I assume they'll nerf ghostwrithe so it doesn't convert the hp value before accounting for CI. As CI right now I need like a 1000+ es armour to even compete with ghostwrithe es values and that's with almost no HP on gear.

[@dspursuer]

I still don't understand how is widowhail scaling proj levels not intended for pconc; it was the bnb of latest inq spark build in poe1 (for proj speed)

[@raywoods38]

i wish she explained anything lol " oh this is jungroan, this is the middle square " , thank you for that

[@lenosantos5175]

They nerf things, based on some streamers breaking things, and the mass of people, struggling to be better on some things, get a bunch of nerfs and have to deal with more problems. Man, this is tiresome.

[@TheHollowBlade]

Its early access bud, this is the perfect time to make big changes. If you dont like it then dont play until the game is more polished and either closer to release or actually release. I prefer they do this shit now when nothing matters/counts and when we start a real official league that the game is much more balanced.

[@dpolenz79]

@@TheHollowBladewrong answer. The strategy of nerfing everything is exactly what they did in Poe 1 and it always caters to the no lifers who have the time to farm another meta build in the same day as the nerf.

[@TheHollowBlade]

@ thats a good point, they should just leave everything broken in. Better to not make any changes because people will get upset that the unfinished early access game is making changes. Dude its early access we are basically testing the game for the devs so that the game is solid on the official launch. Now is the time to nerf the living bajesus out of all the busted interactions the devs did not intend.

[@themagescorner]

If they don't nerf certain things ppl will just play archmage and invoker monk lol Personally I would like to see attribute stacking and PocG nerfed, people doing over 3 million DPS with ice strike

[@robertbauerle5592]

My thoughts exactly. I don't have the time to play this game 12 hours a day. I've been playing since launch and I only have one character in end game, level 86, and like 130 hours in the game total. I haven't found a single citadel, haven't done any end game bosses yet, and I've only managed to get 1 div drop with about 160% rarity. Game feels nigh unplayable and extremely sloggish. Feel like I'm hoping for some changes to make the game more respectful of my time, but also seems like that won't happen based on how they're interacting with the game thus far. I'm fine with big outliers being nerfed obviously, like that unique that makes lightning bolt trigger on crits causing and infinite damage loop if you get to 100% crit, but it feels like everything else in the game should be buffed rather than nerfing just a decent amount of the top strategies, like energy shield being strong. ES is only strong cause it's the only way to not get 1 shot. I personally think that all damage in the game needs to be nerfed, not ES to get nerfed. I'd personally prefer if they massively reduced the damage that enemies deal, but also massively nerfed player sustain (not max life). With the way pots, ES, and health regen currently work, the player will almost always be at full HP - so the only way to kill them is with bullshit, such as one shots. Massively nerf HP regen imo, make ES take much MUCH longer to recharge, and nerf the health that life pots give back and/or reduce their max charges massively. It really feels like specific and targetted nerfs and health sustain would be the only way to nerf the damage in the game without the "get good" no life mob being pissed. I still think that would result in a better long-term dynamic for the player. It'd actually feel like it's your fault when you died, sometimes, instead of always dying instantly to bullshit, or needing to abuse pause reloading in order to not lose your maps or HC characters. I'm hoping they buff the majority of the cold spells. I'm a cold stormweaver and I use archmage since I need it to deal a somewhat reasonable amount of damage, and at this point I'm doing more lightning damage than cold damage. My elemental storm triggers and summons a lightning storm every time now, never an ice one. Worst part is, there's no alternative. Cast on freeze and crit suck against common mobs, which is what I'm struggling with. Bosses and rares are extremely easy for my build for the most part. My cold spells are slow, so ranged enemies can get out an attack and I have to dodge before my slow-moving projectiles even reach them. It makes mapping an absolute slog, and mapping is like 99% of what you do in the end game. It's so unbelievably and mind-numbingly boring, and if I ever stop paying attention because I get too bored, I get one shot by a couple random common ranged enemies that can still do all 7k of my energy shield with two attacks, or stagger me so I die to some other random BS.

[@WikiED]

I feel like they stumbled upon great power level of players for mapping but bosses are completely out of balance so i'd not be surprised if they dont touch most things except making endgame boss fights far far more tanky so they do their mechanics. And it's not a big risk to give bosses far more hp/def since they dont have enrages so anyone playing Quin build could still win even if the fight would be quite long.

[@iabloko1272]

Just to clarify, do you think they need to destroy absolutely everything that works now? I agree with a lot of things in this video, but Concoctions skills? Considering that it's an ascendancy ability and you spend 2 points on it + it's a unique ability of one subclass? The budget for the build is not big, I agree, for 20-50 divine you get a comfortable closing of all the content, but not everyone will want to pump a separate character to play on this setup.

[@dslily]

these are things i think they MIGHT nerf in a funny format not what i think should be destroyed

[@luth7050]

8:05 i mean there are two ways to make demon form work (flask or recoup), and even then when you do dumb rat damage you sacrifice everything else aka 0 defensive layer, and if you dont have an active braincell you will die to the excess of infernal flame damage or demon flame, on top of that you have to wait like 1 minute for damage to be equal of an almost meta build currently, saying this deserves to be nerf is a brain fart

[@naywils]

If they keep nerfing and not buffing we'll end up with nothing.

[@iamsyntai2565]

I mean builds shouldnt one-shot uber bosses.

[@antekordic]

@@iamsyntai2565 Then those bosses shouldn't have every single mechanic be insta kill? If they can one shot us, why can't we one tap them? I'm all in favor of making a campaign experience where it's balanced ( pre everyone getting leveling items ) where you can survive a hit or two from boss, but it's moronic that I have 4k HP, 1.2k ES, 72% PDR and get one tapped by a random slam.

[@dante5526]

pdr doesnt work like you think, the tooltip is extremely unreliable, its generally indicative works for small hits but armor is less effective on larger hits meaning your pdr is way lower against bosses big slams, if the tooltip says 70% pdr, you might have 5 against a big slams

[@newax_productions2069]

@@iamsyntai2565 i highly disagree, the ultimate goal should be getting to that point. Power fantasy bud, it's all an ARPG is, take that away you no longer have an ARPG.

[@iamsyntai2565]

@@newax_productions2069 "Power fantasy is when my 5 div crit poisonous concoction can kill the hardest boss in 2.5 seconds"

[@Gratitude100]

Do you think these nerfs would affect low level players? I have 3 friends in my discord still struggling on campaign. Granted they play other games but they are having a really tough time as new players when they do play

[@owennewlin9688]

Love how Jungroan is the “free space” on the bingo card lol. Poor guy

[@Sorain1]

I mean, he does have a history of making builds, demonstrating they are powerful and then a nerf comes not long after.

[@staygoldpwnyboy923]

if they nerf before buff and fix qol stuff im out

[@hegelianfrog]

If there is a single functional build left after whatever shitstorm GGG is brewing I’m gonna be shocked

[@El_Cattivo1988]

I hope game-breaking stuff gets fixed first. Unfortunately, the bug report is full of trivialities. And not bugs, so important bug reports get lost. Can't do the Sanctum boss with demon form without an error code, for example. Something like that should have priority. Demon form nerf? Then some builds would have to be nerfed even more. Especially with Dead Eye. Getting 300 stacks in SSF is pretty difficult and not that easy. 200 is realistic. And then an Archmage or a Dead Eye with very good weapons is still significantly stronger. Capped at 10, demon form is completely useless.

[@LackingToast]

Capping at 10 only served me well in cruel. I was able to walk through the campaign just using contagion and essDrain. Completely fell off in maps, had to change builds.

[@JbPopoie]

For Temporal chains, it's about the interaction with Time Stop from chronomancer. I made a video & reddit post about it but, apparently for some people, being able to Stop time boss for 40s is actually "fine" , while it litteraly may ruin the game if we see too many of those build (which cost litteraly 0 exalt, you only need Levels), popping and selling time stop to people, specially in HC. They cant really add any new boss or sell any new mechanic as long as it exist, because you litteraly Skip the fight.

[@Afterhours.101]

Ya i have a chrono buddy with this and when just nuke maps because nothing is moving lol, bosses literally stand there till dead

[@dshearwf]

they 100% just forgot to add a cap on time stop for bosses. It probably will be 4 sec for any unique enemy or something in line of stun duration.

[@borristhebrave7496]

The numbers are ahead of everything else on Archmage because you spend your entire base spirit to run the aura, having the build in a functional spot where you arent constantly dying but still have big time damage costs a ton of divines. Idk, I am probably coping but I dont think the issue is archmage, the real issue is lightning conduit being absurdly overtuned

[@liiiinder]

Is it bad that my build checks of 8 bingo tiles by itself? Polcirkeln is Swedish for the polar circle, so the pronunciation is sort of "pol circle n" I wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed /exit ... its just way to powerful, its sort of faster than lulbot as you go to char selection instead of login screen 😅

[@Hexanon99]

There is 1 build per class. Any skills not in that build will be nerfed to force everyone to use the same cookie-cutter builds. Once they have that then balancing is easier.

[@jalengibbs5403]

I think the pole(whatever) ring will get nerfed by making herald of ice not being able to chill, the whole point of them is not being able to proc themselves. The ring was clear intend to just let you always proc it with your hits regardless of freeze to make it easy to proc like herald of thunder

[@joehardwaree]

i think evasion is completely safe. you can still get clapped in t15+ with evasion & acrobatics. that’s why we see a lot of ranger builds taking the starting notes for monk and switching to es.

[@PuppetSoul]

You see everyone who isn't warrior start location or Demon Form take the starting nodes for monk because they're hella overtuned.

[@Mic-j3k]

I think they will nerf alot of things to break builds, but also throw in a new class or weapon/skills to shuffle players onto testing those. And people will be happy because the new things will be just as imbalanced and op. Its early access, so its probably intentional to make things OP to get players to stress test them before moving on to the next thing they want stress tested. On full game release, everything will be less powerful than it was initially introduced.

[@irrelevant12]

I agree with all this but i feel its missing gemling legionaire ascendancy that doubles the bonus from main stat is disgustingly op, valuewise its probably the highest theorethically of all ascendancies and they also have access to max resist based on how many perfect jewelers you can afford. hmm maybe in a softcore based balance people would say that none of this things provide meaningful dps increase but in hardcore the amount of value you can get from this is completely insane.

[@Quel_droma]

You can tell you are pretty clueless on Demonform, it's nowhere near trivial to get 300 stacks, it requires to sacrifice ALL your build to just defense and regen, with no offense. They will fix the demon stitch helm, sure, but Demonform is nowhere OP as u call it. It's hilarious you say demonform will surely be nerfed but you say stat stackers are fine and won't get nerfed.....You mention freaking polcikern ring, but you don't even mention Howa, THE gloves that absolutely EVERY attack build uses?

[@sirgalahad42]

very low effort video, she has no idea why half of these things are there on that bingo card lol, polcikern ring is not even used in most ice strike builds because it is not even bis gear for that ring slot. literally a random rare ring with decent stuff > polcikern and she is putting it on a nerf list lol,lmao even.

[@Lyrantes]

@@sirgalahad42 Polcirkeln does something that they literally nerfed in PoE 1, easy access to chain killing multiple screens. Remember Winter Orb with Herald of Ice? This is basically the same thing and requires very little effort to pull off. Not sure how they could nerf Polcirkeln though, maybe make chain explosions deal less and less damage but that sounds kind of iffy.

[@fire22233]

Temp Chains take a lot of investment in passive points to achieve really high numbers, IMO it's not OP enough to be nerfed.

[@23cjota]

So many thing to be nerfed / buffed what which topic will be in GGG's priority list. I believe they will be buffing armour and keep ES| Evasion same for now, being practically obliged to wear ES gear on my titan warrior feels like curse.

[@Axterix13]

Trigger still matters for mapping. Specifically, I'd expect that the Raging Spirits get nerfed in regards to cast on minion death. A big one I think you are missing is Shock. Between magnitude stacking on it and the double shock in Stormweaver, with it being its own multiplier, well, Shock is a big part of why lightning builds dominate.

[@Atheist269]

Actually you are wrong on concoctions. The current interaction with proj skills is intended. If you read the skill it just says it deals unarmed attack damage, but not that you need to be unarmed for the attack. So any type of weapon and offhand you have equipped when you throw it will all count their modifiers, except the weapon damage of course because it uses its own added elemental damage (that is the "unarmed damage" it says in the description). And since it's a projectile skill..... Long story short the widowhail interaction is working as intended. It's just that they overbuffed all the concoction skills to the point that they are too strong. So if they nerf them they should nerf the skills and not the widowhail interaction.

[@xratedv3965]

saw a dude cant remember his name , but he was making a cursebot build and all the mobs in the entire area were at (iirc) like 117% temp chains with whatever god forsaken build concoction he put together , no mob could move when he was walking through so that could bekinda cool i remember cursebots in poe1 being a regular thing for those 5x carry content guys.

[@demystake]

I honestly hope for no nerfs. Buff what is needed to be buffed, improve map layouts and cook nerfs cautiously for the upcoming EA league.

[@brainhickey3200]

what is on buff bingo?

[@180isa]

If you get your base slow from temp chains to 61% (something you CAN do) get 98% curse effect and 360% aura effect ( can be achieved with adorned and 18 jewels) you can slow boss's by 100%. Here's the math 61 x (( 1 + .98 + 3.60) x.59) = 200.8242 % slow with the boss having 50% less effect so you end up with 100% slow.

[@180isa]

With a level 31 temp chains and a level 21 blasphemy your base slow becomes 64%, meaning you'll only need 325% aura effect instead of the 360%, saving on 2 jewels with adorned.

[@feelingthislife]

Not really getting the grim feast thing? The suggestions you made would make it completely unusable

[@iFoss]

Either that or remove it. It's far too strong

[@sirgalahad42]

nothing wrong with grim feast actually.people just say its broken because thats what they hear from some streamer, they do not possess a single idea of their own lol. Ghostwrithe + grim feast gives my infernalist 18k es, now that is broken. what needs to be nerfed is probably ghostwrithe

[@dmitrijsmironovs7513]

grim feast would still be op even if it didnt overcap your ES lol.... i dont understand how people dont agree but w/e

[@sirgalahad42]

@@dmitrijsmironovs7513 without ghostwrithe the amount of es you might have at the beginning of the maps is like 2-3k at max.even the titan boss at the campaign is dealing 9k damage with a single attack of his own. you will get clapped so easily at higher tier maps if it does not overcap. also why would I waste 30 spirit if its not even overcapping. maybe they should make it cost 60 or 100 spirit idk but it should absolutely overcap or it is useless

[@kanelos1]

@@iFoss Why cause you dont u dont use it in your build?

[@trancer03]

If they nerf both evasion and energy shield. what are we going to use. armour does not exist.

[@InsPoE]

Cultist Mace is the only thing carrying my Titan atm. Would be really sad to see that go :/

[@SamuelBrady-n1d]

What’s this darkness 1hp bug? Asking for a friend

[@kanelos1]

Seriously the problem is Invoker and the bell?

[@metaminerx]

how heavy is that crown?

[@gocalixto]

Stun or electrocuted? I don't thin mace stunned here is the issue.

[@quincestopher8892]

I think invoker itself is fine but it takes advantage of alpt of the things on the chopping block

[@vide6258]

Where is tempest flurry? Needs to have forward momentum removed.

[@Noedell]

People seem to forget that PoE1 had a massive powercreep and a few years back they buffed ACT1 monsters because of that. PoE2 will have powercreep. It's quite normal for games like these.

[@wastingmylifeaway4898]

I mean, if they nerf all or even most of this without a "Early Access Season 2", I think I'll be done with this game until full release lol. If it works as intended, even if the numbers are high, leave it alone until a content update. The only things that should be getting nerfed are bugs and server crashing builds, otherwise, things should just be getting buffed to the level they plan to nerf the strongest builds down to in the future (so the strongest builds will still be the strongest until the content patch).

[@FeralKobold]

They could nerf demon form into the fucking dirt and I'd still play it just because it's cool as hell

[@donniewalsh4299]

should have added the shield wall overkill boots interaction for hammer of the gods doing 250M+ damage and one shotting 6 man arbiter

[@d0nl0c05]

ES degen above your normal max is a great idea, i dont think nerfing es and evasion all together would be good but rather make armor more viable, but lets see how ggg does it

[@Cryttanz]

I really hope they keep the lab carry, being OP while leveling feels so good. I love stuff like that.

[@LukaRATM]

why didn't you put in melting maelstorm

[@maksonamex]

so basically u telling lets kill Monk ? hmmm p,s, how about fix trade site ?

[@AwesomeNuke]

Trade site is easily fixed : play SSF

[@maksonamex]

@@AwesomeNuke still not fixed

[@AwesomeNuke]

@@maksonamex wow, that flew waaay above your head. Yikers.

[@maksonamex]

@@AwesomeNuke why are u gay?

[@AwesomeNuke]

@@maksonamex bahahah You need help

[@randomaether]

If Evasion gets nerfed at the high end I give up, seriously, with how hard it is to get life my 100 div explosive shot deadeye is just a gamble run, if I get lucky, nice, if I dont, I get oneshotted :)

[@timsjolin6657]

yup. Everything looks so op from a noobs pov as they watch their favourite streamer play his maxed out character

[@Critimuscu]

Don't nerf ES, just up ER & Armor. Acrobatics is scuffy, cause if you loose your wind dancers stacks you loose so much total evasion.

[@guffi00]

The real bug with concoction is the skill benefiting from "% more damage with bow skills" from quiver. It's not a bow skill, it's unarmed skill. Remove it and the build is pretty garbage.

[@Blaze_e7]

when the servers get restarted will we lose anything bc of it?

[@kushbandit2054]

boss hp buff would just make thief's torment even more mandatory for my build and many other builds. Mana cost is just way to high the more links you get, so instead of getting stronger you get weaker as you can now use even less skills before you run out of mana flask charges it just doesn't feel good to play

[@Juuhjooh]

My monk only has 9 of these bingos, damn im gonna get hit hard

[@jalengibbs5403]

If they don’t remove ground booms don’t touch my es

[@pnzerfst]

I think DD should scale the % health damage by gem level! There should be a cost to dealing a consistent 20% of corpse/sacificed minion HP. Also not saying this just because this change won't affect blood mage at all 🤐

[@Konrow]

If they nerf grim feast or ES too hard I am very worried about my survivability lol. Armour won't do the trick, my block is great, but without a large health pool or ES that's still not great defense with the amount of damage some shit deals in t15+ maps and I don't think I can realistically spec a good witch/infernalist build with evasion.

[@LukeK9]

You forgot minions getting a driveby every patch. " Forst mages have an unintended interaction letting you play the game, they can now no longer chill and cost three times the spirit".

[@cc_256]

Which is weird because at the same time minions are insanely slow map clearing comparing to other classes? In around 25h, with sorceress i reached my witch's level which took me probably around 50h, and within another 10 lvls im already clearing everything ~10x faster, not worrying much about dying as i did with witch, and i can even do breaches, which on minions was impossible for me.. (chance is i just did something wrong with my build, but idk what you would need to have on minions to clear maps as good as other classes)

[@marekk.3322]

The nerfs are completely justified and necessary, though I'd say they should sort out the defenses first before going huge nerf on the offense. People need to remember that PoE is a long-term game, where each league builds on top of the previous ones to get you more content and stuff to work with in terms of building your character. If the baseline (which is what they're figuring out right now through EA) is so busted that you explode entire screens with one attack and delete uber bosses in less than two seconds, what interesting content could be possibly made on top of that? You quickly end up in a design space of "they need two seconds to kill the boss, so we need to give the boss an ability that will kill them in half a second", so in essence, poe1 mapping - the thing is, in poe1 it took a decade of power creep to go from 100k dps builds to shapers per second dps numbers.

[@LKZToroh]

I can def see temporalis getting changed. Maybe just the interaction with Blink. I refuse to believe that GGG wants poe2 to have a higher clear speed ceiling than poe1 when the game is so much slower in general. Also don't see why nerfing Ev and not ES. Es is clearly in a much broken state even if Grim feast gets changed. Tbh if anything I'd rather see they buffing armor so it's not useless rather than nerfing either EV or ES.

[@Enticementz]

why would scaling proj levels off your quiver not be intended, must not be intended on focuses or shields either, so they just made the same unintentional mistake 3 times. great logic!

[@ezet]

Only because of the bow. You can't get +8 skills from focus or a shield. Getting the +2 isn't a problem

[@Enticementz]

@@ezet you can get +8 with a focus or shield you just need a good enough jewel or jewels to boost the level +1

[@dmitrijsmironovs7513]

@@Enticementz vs 1 item. do you see the point?

[@Enticementz]

@@dmitrijsmironovs7513 well youre wrong again you can not achieve +8 proj with just one item, also you look filthy

[@TheSeth256]

I'm glad Lily isn't responsible for balancing, the suggested nerfs only really make sense for the top 1% players. And they'll always find something OP.

[@drg_poe]

lets be real tho, people watch the top 1% and try to replicate. even if the only people exploiting are the top 1%, it still doesnt belong in the game.

[@dslily]

I would not balance based off an ms paint bingo sheet lol

[@TheSeth256]

@@dslily Ah, so these are guesses on what will be nerfed and not suggestions? Then yeah, fair enough. I'm just really allergic to heavy-handed nerfes that spoil the game for most players when so many builds are still left in the dirt and then the whole game feels neutered.

[@DaringCreative]

None of the skills I use are on this list lol

[@BlaineLawrence-yl2fl]

Also, its not lightning rod thats the issue, its the effectivness of quiver jewels and the boost to corrupted magic jewels that needs softcapped at like 250% endgame for ranger. People should not be only taking jewel nodes and just going all the way around for mind over matter, other than that ranger is very balanced and pretty expensive imo.

[@TimoNaaro]

I believe they will nerf the shit out of my lightning archer. Pls send help

[@fmalch1209]

Same, dude. Same. Farming up as much as I can so I can reroll safely.

[@ThienNguyen-wh1fz]

On chopping block for sure.

[@terhoranki6680]

Bye bye spark sorc and bye bye lightning arrow. Not gonna miss either of em'. They should get gutted. Sorry not sorry but this just needs to happen. For the sake of game and balance.

[@akutooth]

​@@terhoranki6680they shouldn't get gutted lmao, they should get tweaked and other things should be brought up. The answer isn't to stomp anything people like into the ground.

[@Don_I84N]

Ofc and I hope they will because that shit is turbo broken.

[@thomasmoore6117]

temporalis is a chase item, i really dont see it getting a nerf, demon needs a rework, its almost useless other than mapping if they fix the helm swap glitch, i do expect them to fix it, but also there at some point needs to be something to support this build more, 230 stacks isnt really that much damage unless your doing spark, but then if they hit archmage, then demonform builds will get double nerfed. either change how demonform works or remove it, if not people just wont play it, its already hard enought to get resists and regen stacked enough for endgame, double hitting it will just make it unappealing.

[@Yarsito]

I hope that if they do nerf stat stacking it'll be mostly targeted at the very well geared variants

[@Yarsito]

Then again, when they aim to nerf the 1% they tend to hurt the casuals/low-end build more than the 1% lol

[@vide6258]

All they need to nerf is tempest flurry. Currently if you’re stat stacking and not abusing tempest flurry for movement you’re just playing the game wrong.

[@Vezuls]

i really don't see why everyone thinks archmage is OP. Very odd to me. The issue isn't archmage, the issue is EB in conjunction with Energy shield and how piss easy it is to get lol. Nerf archmage and it prevents them from nerfing the actual problems without risking killing archmage. Nerf ES, ES nodes, etc, and that indirectly nerfs archmage builds and mana stacking. Not to mention some of the ES nodes give mana for free in conjuction with the ES

[@iFoss]

Proj scaling for pconc is absolutely intended. "% damage with bow skills" is not.

[@Critimuscu]

Grim Feast is good but not OP at all. When you do a very juiced map, it's very very hard to overflow ES cause any attack deal a lot of dmg. Concoction issue is the %increased bow dmg affect the concoction dps. If they do something like poe where u need have no weapon to use concoction, i'll be needed to add some unarmed nodes on tree.

[@Applegawd]

If you’re beating the game…NERFED!!!!

[@eldenking2098]

If you're having fun.. NERFED!!!

[@robertlane367]

Only thing on the chart for me is evasion...looking good cuz it doesnt seem to do much anyways

[@sircrookie115]

Nerf on death effects plsss

[@olderbadboy]

They should nerf all those broken items / builds and they should ban all the bug users otherwise we will be left with a " unfair fomo" mentality in the majority of playerbase as they almost never get to see those drops or reach hundreds of divines to buy after they patch exploits . This stuff should be eradicated from the game and the pace of poe 2 should be more in line with killing a boss in about 10 sec max where you get to see his mechanics towards a more engaging skill based combat that was promised .

[@ThatDanishFellowPlays]

1:50 ?????? the prediction was.... what? lmao

[@DriftVibe114]

Fixing armor should definitely be a priority, burning ground also needs to be nerfed, it does way to much damage

[@bowtieism3]

If they nerf ES and Grim Feast but dont fix one hit kills or on death explosion, off screen one hits etc at the same time I can see ppl rage quitting the game due to there being no defense against one hits anymore. Also not buffing other defense layers like armor and life. Nerfing everything OP but not nerfing mob damage etc or buffing lackluster skills will be a big mistake.

[@Mrxlongshot]

if they nerf things but still keep enemies moving like mach 10 and on death effects, im gonna get very irritated with their vision pretty quickly

[@nin114]

My 92 minion infernalist has maxed Detonate Dead and can barely do a T15 breach for more than 30 seconds. It IS nerf!!

[@KyokujiFGC]

I'll be very surprised if grim feast doesn't get nuked from orbit.

[@michaele.strasser9641]

None of these are important. The majority of these affect only a tiny fraction of players. It would be economical ridiculous to spend resources on these issues at this time. Nevertheless I expect that GGG will fix some of them over time of course. It's very hard to imagine that it all works as intended. Personally I am looking forward to see the reaction of those players who think it's smart to play a nerf candidate built.

[@GKNOWBODIES]

New to these type of games but I certainly know armor needs to be buffed