Dual rank Samsung B-die stable at 3866 15-15-15-28-1T on the Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Pro DDR4

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[@TechTested]

hehe... gigglebyte... hehe

[@sabishiihito]

Formerly known as Gigabutt

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

first

[@SolarianStrike]

Enjoyed this episode of Gigglebyte: Buildzoid Dies Twice. Randomly train or not train at the same setting is also a problem I ran into. Often shutting down the PSU and let it cold boot somehow makes it work.

[@pilaodagua]

Yes, like the system train itself. Happened , many times in memory changes to me.

[@gtijason7853]

Another "trick" to getting 1T command rate in ASUS' earlier DDR4 (ie Z370 era) was to Enable Trace Centering. This was a secret that only the Japanese guys knew at first

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

yeah except that option doesn't seem to exist on Z690 or I'm blind

[@bigcazza5260]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking doesnt even exist on z370 apex, nor does it exist on z390 strix f source: me owning both

[@bigcazza5260]

doesnt even have tXP

[@__aceofspades]

Both bios and windows say the date is 01/02/2022, BZ videos are so long he had to invent time travel to get them out on time.

[@gravit0nable]

Newer BIOSes seem to have fixed the issue with using high DRAM training voltages. I now can do like VDIMM 1.55V and +4200 without issues, dual rank.

[@AerynGaming]

Linpack is command rate sensitive, it's the only thing that i found really made sense to run at 3733 1T over 3800 GDM. The 3733 was 3% faster.

[@fracturedlife1393]

Yes to the walk through from clr_cmos. Fave videos.

[@stevewatson6839]

Was that that the Gigglebyte Z690 Aorus Pro DDR4? :-) Nice Freudian slip!

[@proesterchen]

Got to hand it to the board, its antics made this video way more entertaining. 😜

[@aeon7748]

Buildzoid... you always surprise me with your tweaks, luckily i found this vid and now my memory training is much easier with termination voltage at 80, Thank you

[@PwadigytheOddity]

Did you just call them Gigglebyte at the beginning? Absolute mad lad.

[@GroundGame.]

I'm looking forward to also tinkering with my new kit of 32GB DDR4 3800 CL14 with my x570 Dark Hero, it's going to be "interesting".

[@HardwareScience]

For those who arrive later at the video: Title says "gettings" instead of "settings"

[@gravit0nable]

Your tip about termination values is golden. At least I can run dual rank 3600 CL14 on my Gigabyte B660I now, before it wouldn't even post 3500. Getting 3700 stable seems pretty impossible, >3733 I could never post at all. All in all I'm pretty satisfied, with this B660I mobo I'm able to enable AVX512 too. I don't think you made more progress with Gigabyte's DDR4 boards?

[@AngeloNguyen]

"Consistent!.." yeah, sure, buildzoid, sure. Not user error at all. :D

[@jasonpalmer5342]

I having similar problems but with first edition dominator 5200 c36 cant get it to be stable at 5200 but perfect at 5000, wish you were doing videos on ddr5

[@kacpiherochanel]

Is there any chance you will reterurn to any gigabyte z690 to check if bios updates has made any difference?

[@sebastianbartholomaus4427]

Have you ever had and were able to test and tweak Nanya A die Chips?

[@stigi3849]

Buildzoid and I ARE best friends :)

[@killersberg1]

I got my SR 4x8GB B-Die Stable with some of the trickt mentioned here. I am using the current F20 Bios on the Gaming X z690. I found that locking the RTLs is not effective anymore and causes no post or unstable training. Locking the Rtts works tho. I have set the training voltage to 1.4v, vddq 1.4v, DDR 1.45v and SA to 1.25v. This allowed for successful training at least 10 times in a row now at 3800mts C15/15/15/28/43. The subtimings are not optimized yet. I am running the 13600k.

[@UnluckyDomino]

This is probably a long shot but what RTTs did you find worked best? I'm using 4x8GB B die and having problem with it retraining on every cold boot. With tight tertiaries and high vdimm it sometimes fails and give the load optimised defaults screen or enter bios. POST takes ages because of it

[@killersberg1]

@@UnluckyDomino I basically locked them to something similar buildzoid used and then went from there. I have dismantled the system some time ago so I cannot check unfortunately.

[@UnluckyDomino]

@@killersberg1 alright thank you

[@cadetsparklez3300]

wait I have some dual rank micron rev e at 3533-14-18-16-16 and can go higher but im limited by my aen 1 cpu (only at 1.4v) Is that really good for dual rank?

[@smokeyninja9920]

From 9:32 on. Is the board bipolar? Have you tried applying AC?😉

[@daisyrogers6876]

clicked on this by accident cant believe aliens are real

[@tradcatpat2385]

FYI: Gigabyte just dropped an F6b BIOS update for this board.

[@Subut]

he's arguing with the board and it's funny

[@UnluckyDomino]

Could you make a video about overclocking micron IC on this board? Also could I have an invite to the discord server? I'm planning to overclock my ram and would like some help

[@sendlocation8476]

How is the GIGABYTE Z690 DDR5 AORUS PRO motherboard? Does it have issues like this aswell? And what the fastest memory has anyone got to?

[@jmel]

Would the overclocking would be more limited/worse on the MSI PRO Z690-A ? I really want to get one after seeing your videos but im afraid it’s not gonna reach the performance i want to reach

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

it should be better.

[@jmel]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thank you answering mate! Can you give me some information on how is it actually better? Since I’ll be using a cheaper board

[@justinbroniszewski]

I currently own a 4x8GB kit of Corsair Vengeance 3600 CL16, and I know this may be insane, but I really want this board. Not that I can find it anywhere... But if I could, would that kit be usable? I'm not going to overclock at all.

[@bigcazza5260]

any kit is usable if u dont overclock it, it will run at 3200 cl20+ when u first boot

[@MutinyInteractive]

The 15th minute, ROFL

[@OldManKain]

I hate this right now I have the Auros Elite DDR4 AX, with Samsung B-die cl14-14-14-34. I can get it to run at XMP speeds 3600 but I have to have dram at 1.51v, and vccsa at 1.1v, So I'm just running at 3200 1.35v, and auto vccsa, until we get a proper bios update. With the shipped bios F2 it wouldn't even post with the ram installed.

[@michaelnager6059]

GiggleByte Buildzoid? :D

[@sabishiihito]

QVL for this board lists 5333 kits, not sure how that works given the issues running lower but tighter timings like this.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Well that would be DJR. I guess I should try that too.

[@sabishiihito]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking and then my Strix decided it wanted to at least POST 5333 19-27-27 1.8v DJR

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@sabishiihito yeah that's not happening on the Pro DDR4 ATM. I can't get more than 4800 to boot with Adata 5000 CL19 kit.

[@Spicer1104]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I couldn’t get my 5066mhz team group kit to go over 4400mhz cl17-24-24-42 also they were really unstable and would throw errors randomly after being fine for a week.

[@p1st0ls44]

yo! i found that if you do a hard reboot with the power supply turned off and on again the gigabyte z690 boards start to correct issues... idk whats going on. its like the settings you set dont start on boot until it gets no juice and then juice. its bazzar. doesnt happen on the z690 master. had a pro then a master. must be bios? oh... looks like you did the psu trick later in the vid.

[@cstkl1]

n:1 is not 1T. if setting this stabilizes.. that means giga has issues with cmd skew or cmd mrc training

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Gigabyte doesn't have an N:1 option in the BIOS also stability doesn't change between 1T and 2T. 1T is just a bit faster.

[@cstkl1]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking giga opted out for n:1 instead of proper cmd streching. memtweakit the only app that reports this properly. that means giga has issue with the cmd skews + cmd mrc training. meaning setting 1T on giga is n1: 3 i suspect as for the diff. come to ocn.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@cstkl1 the board defaults to 2T in dual rank and 2T is easier to run.

[@AeonMW2]

it's all about RTTs on a gigabyte really since z490 for me

[@instinct-8991]

Can you try to overclock Aegis G.Skill 3200 Mhz memory?

[@rulik006]

7:34 from love to hate just one step

[@jaydnisevil]

Good sir, might you do a post code to English translation video? Was very helpful to know what setting specific codes correlate to. Cheers.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

it's board and platform specific

[@MrSiddhartha99]

Recently I bought Gskill F4-4400C19D-32GTZR and after buying it I found that these are Single Rank sticks... 😓 Should I return this kit or single rank 16gb sticks are fine... Please note I will be trying to run it on my z690 tuf gaming wifi with 3900cl14

[@Wasmachineman]

"Gigglebyte" lmao

[@noppa82]

Yep.. been mad to my Gaming X Gigabyte too, works just the same, inconsistent as fuck with the memory. My board don't like cl14 or cl15.. or higher voltages, cl16 seems to be ok with my another kit, but with the A0 pcb TridentZ B-die kit this hates, Ripjaws V A2 or A3 PCB B-die works ok.. Okey Finally got my Patriot Viper B-die 2x8gb SR (4400mhz cl19).. they are running after 5hours of testing 4133 16-16-16-32-2t @ 1.45v gear 1, trfc 298 , trefi 32678(or something like that), Aida gives 49.1ns Still cl15 and cl14 wont boot..

[@Ramski07]

Buildzoid will you do msi Z690 ddr4 overclocking? I can't get my 3600c14 bdie to do anything over xmp on my msi Z690 pro with 12900k. I was running the same kit at 3800 c14 with ryzen before the platform switch

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

it's been stuck in shipping for almost a week now

[@eliadbu]

kinda early, I hope you're still here.

[@brandonnoyb3191]

Have you did a memory test on Asus Rog Crosshair Formula VIII X570? I running a 4X8 Kit of G.Skills..

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I don't have any crosshair VIII boards.

[@brandonnoyb3191]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking ok thank you.

[@arnoldschmidt2753]

I BZ. When are you planning to do a examination of the Z690 motherboards ? I'm trying to decide if I should wait or just give in to buying the Z590 Ace with a 11600k. That's the sweet spot

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

why wouldn't you get an MSI Z690-A and a 12600K/KF instead?

[@desireforcars8881]

Hi! I'm a student, really enjoying your videos.. Just watched the XFX RX 580 GTS breakdown, because I own one myself and it has a strange issue.. I would be thankful if you could maybe point to me what is wrong with it.. So.. When the GPU is under some kind of memory load (Over 3gb out of 4gb), the program that is using that memory suddenly crashes resulting in a memory error.. That means I can't even run any modern games because it crashes immediately after something 3D renders. I ran OCCT and ran the memory test for 15minutes and it wouldn't go over 3gb so it didn't crash and then I ran an 8k video in background to use a little bit more memory and my Opera GX instantly displayed an "Out of memory" error. This is not the only thing wrong with this card, it also randomly flashes black screens while playing any mildly demanding game. I would love to hear your feedback on this, maybe if you know how to fix it I can send it to you for a video? Just a thought.. Btw I'm 100% positive that the error is in the GPU Because I tested it in multiple systems with same results

[@xxcr4ckzzxx840]

Seems like at least one of the Memory Chips straight up died. There is really nothing to fix. You could reflow all Memory Chips, either via a Hot air gun, or, if you are lucky, via your Oven in the Kitchen. That being said, it really sounds like, that the Memory chip is just dead and not just "loose". Its worth a try, but more likely that the Card is dead. Only other thing would be to bumb Memory Voltage, if possible via Software and try it that way. I really doubt that this would help tho, sorry.

[@MrSolvalou]

Did you try setting VRAM to lower frequency, like 1750MHz?

[@desireforcars8881]

@@MrSolvalou stock frequency is 1750. tried something closed to a 1000 with core clock and voltage down too.. doesn't seem to work. Also tried 6 different bioses but not one worked

[@desireforcars8881]

@@xxcr4ckzzxx840 What are the chances of my gpu becoming even worse than this, Since i don't have a spare?

[@xxcr4ckzzxx840]

@@desireforcars8881 You should try to bump voltage on core/mem and reduce the frequency. Maybe that may help. In case of "how bad can it be", I can only say, that the tech God knows. In my opinion there shouldn't be any problems if you somewhat understand what you are doing. If the solder has already good contact, then it won't get worse, if you reflow it. If you fuck it up, then you may fry the chip, or the whole gpu. But other than that, there isn't really anything. As I said, some knowledge is required and it it already sits there good, then it's sits good twice. If it sits bad, it may fix it. If the chip is dead anyway, then better contact won't help, so nothing will change. These are the tree options I see, besides catastrophic failure because of not enough knowledge. If you have a pizza oven, which goes to something like 400°C, then heat it up, put the card, without plastics ofc, in there and wait for 5 to 7 minutes to bake it. Take it out, cool it down and check if it works (again). That should/can reflow the solder, but no guarantees there.

[@luisetges8360]

Hi, can you share discord link? if yes i would like join it kkkkk

[@bigcazza5260]

that latency is actually kinda bad tbh, i have a 3600c17 b-die kit (mind u single rank) that can daily sub 38ns (cfl-r) with 1.5v, im yet to find something it isnt stable at

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Sky/Kaby/Coffee/Cometlake all get lower latencies than Alderlake and Rocketlake due to how the memory+ring controller work.

[@bigcazza5260]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking so are they roughly equivelant in scores? i know dual rank is 5-10gb/s faster, i get 57.5/52.5/57 gb/s at 3700 with every timing i could find tuned

[@fredmcgovern302]

I just ordered a kit of OLOy Blade 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 4000. Timing 15-16-16-36 They told me this is B-Die. But no XMP so we will see if it can do as advertised on my Z490 master. If it does then I will pick up alder lake and a MSI unify X when it becomes available.

[@techbuildspcs]

The sticks heat sink is horrid. You’ll need a 120-140mm fan blowing as close as possible.

[@fredmcgovern302]

@@techbuildspcs Are they worse than the viper 4400s ? I have a fan blowing on my vipers now because the 3080 ti I recently added in like a small sun in my case . I will just return them if they don't work out. Just wanted an upgrade to dual rank 32 GB.

[@techbuildspcs]

@@fredmcgovern302 hmm I’m not sure. I got told vipers are horrid for this so I would assume not. During the summer I might make mine naked and install after market heat spreaders on them.

[@ChrisGR93_TxS]

18:12 Rampage v extreme x99 .. ehh

[@askopte]

Hello bz, i'm finding my 3800 CL14-8-15-14-30 setting actually produces worse performance than CL14-14-15-14-30. Is that normal?

[@techbuildspcs]

Stable?

[@askopte]

@@techbuildspcs yep, rock solid, just a bit higher latency i guess

[@techbuildspcs]

@@askopte that should not be the case. I find that weird. I’m on 3800cl-14-15-14-28-42 trfc 250. What’s your timings? I’f you want drop your discord.

[@user-fu3pb5wi4r]

RTL ( 69 /69 ) is too high for CR1. Maybe CR1 he's not real. The board will have a different meaning

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

it's real 1T. I just tested 1T on the ASUS TUF and it trains the exact same RTLs as Gigabyte.

[@PeterMarszalkowski]

du musst 3 mal abwarten mit boot versuchen die timings auf 5 6 12 16 und dann die normal timing nutzen vom ram deann kannst du 224multi hohfahren bei 5.4ghz bei 15.4 bis 1.56wen ndas nicht eght 165volt auf jedenfall

[@PeterMarszalkowski]

du musst ram auf 4166mhz setzen umbedingt bei 224 multio 4.48 volt cpu bei 174volt ram bei 6x 8x werden 184 bis 6 das sit ddas boot liimit mit 5 6 9 12 16 225 max timing t2 x6 drunter bootet da absolut nicht das sind 1980mhz

[@PeterMarszalkowski]

oder 4x 2666mhz ist das gleiche auf den timigs die laufern 3200mhz xmp

[@PeterMarszalkowski]

3 laufen mit 4 beimir 5von 6 auf den timings 5700mhz ddr5 timings sind das bei mir + bis 9600mhz bei 12 mal ram anbindung ddr3 geht gibts

[@PolskiJaszczomb]

You should really just swap to TM5 memtest, you know. Will save you lots and lots of hours. Regarding voltage issue - currently I have B560 Tomahawk motherboard that have weird quirk of not being able to set voltage for memory controller, when I try to set a voltage from red range (1.21V for SA/1.16V for IO and higher) straight from auto or when it's set to red range but it's a cold boot. Not booting at all, even with whole bios on default settings. I need to first set the board to white range (1.205/1.15V and less), apply these and reboot and only then I can punch in higher voltages and it will boot 100%, until next cold boot. Maybe it's similar here?

[@naikjoy]

GiggleBytes lol

[@ShakeITyEA]

that board is too expensive

[@PeterMarszalkowski]

ich würd 148 volten cpu und ram auf 154 bis 6 cpu bei ddr5 bei ddr4 1.74volt bei 8 mal ram

[@1donmegaa]

7th

[@concinnus]

Careful, Gigglebyte won't send you any more boards if you call them that.

[@Torbjorn.Lindgren]

Well, they should fix their damned boards, the current behavior is totally unacceptable and lots of people is seeing this, it appears to be a general problem with all Gigglebyte Z690 boards. Hopefully it's something they can fix in the BIOS and not "they messed up the wiring". The fact that hard-coding these variables helps does suggest it's at least partly "they messed up the BIOS".

[@pav1u]

Hello there, i have a weird problem with an RTX 3090, the card is not detected in windows, doesn't have display ports or hdmi working but does full hashrate on hiveos and its detected there, what should i try and is there any possible way to make it work on Windows? Its a repaired card, all power phases and bios are correct and flashed just no display output and not detected in windows, hiveos does mine full hashrate, any clues?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

yeah IDK what to do about that

[@jackoneill84]

So Z590 was a fluke.

[@Daniel-zr4pk]

very unstable mobo lol

[@bigturkey1]

WHY WHEN I WRITE ON R/OVERCLOCKING THAT RYZEN DOWNCLOCKS AT 75C THE COMMENT GETS REMOVED

[@Aviduduskar]

DDR4 on Z690... boring!

[@user-fu3pb5wi4r]

first

[@oldtwitchdog5969]

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