Getting more than DDR4-3600 to boot with dual rank memory on the Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Pro DDR4

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Posting this now because a new BIOS update came out that improves mem OC so this is probably already outdated info. I've not tested the new BIOS yet.

[@DogeSilva95]

Tested the F6c on the Z690 Aorus Elite and it trains higher frequencies automatically, but memory performance is worse than F6a bios at the same settings, 4% average drop in aida, 3% on linpack xtreme gflops, reverted to the F6a for now.

[@Empyre47AT]

I just updated my Elite AX DDR4 BIOS to F6c, and now I'm experimenting with my 3600 16-16-16-36 4x8 kit. Hopefully this new BIOS actually works.

[@cliche_AF]

Hey buildzoid msi took down their most recent bios and updated the ddr4 compatibility list , it now says anything above 3200mhz is not guaranteed

[@DogeSilva95]

@@cliche_AF Gigabyte page says that "When running XMP at DDR4 3200 MHz or higher, the system's stability depends on the CPU’s capabilities." probably because the official intel frequency is 3200, msi is just doing the same it seems.

[@Empyre47AT]

Well, my 3600 kit only works with two of the four sticks using BIOS F6c. Either there's still an issue with this new BIOS or my 12900K's memory controller sucks.

[@krystiandomagala4929]

Thanks for buying my RAM! Glad you put it to good use. I used it for a long time around 3-4 years. From X99 through 1st and 2nd gen ryzen to X299 where I needed faster RAM. It wouldn't go past 3800Mhz on X299 Dark so replaced it with Viper Steels and they are doing what I wanted.

[@kevinmccrea1335]

For all that don't know gigabyte updated bios'es overnight. I am now running version f6c on my aorus elite ddr4 z690. I am now able to run XMP 3600 c16 in gear 1!!

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

yeah I'd expect the BIOS updates to be pretty frequent for now.

[@Vimes.]

Can you link me to that BIOS please as the UK site only has F5D......? Thanks

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@Vimes. www.gigabyte.com/au/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-PRO-DDR4-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios

[@Vimes.]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thanks, but not the same board.

[@webmonkeytt]

I flashed to the latest bios (F6b) for my Gaming X DDR4 yesterday and finally managed to get the system to boot windows with 3600 in gear 1. BUT it would never pass any mem tests with errors abound.

[@Dataacid]

Good videos on how to overclock ram, Before I discovered you I would just set XMP and be done with it, got my ram running at 4000MT Gear 1 CR1 15-15-15-30 at 1.488v and that's the max it will do at gear 1. All of this on an Asus z690-p Prime D4

[@Poppaai]

My exact same timings, what are your trefi and trfc numbers?

[@jackoneill84]

My first foray into ram overclocking was on boards that had neither post codes or safe boot. I changed one timing at a time and saved my settings in a profile, and also wrote them down. I had an old case switch connected to my CMOS jumper and would hit that when new settings didn't work. Damned slow compared to how I do it now with my Z490 Apex, but was a good learning experience.

[@areyrr7805]

First :) Edit: Thank you for teaching RAM OC!

[@martinprince1345]

So did Gigabyte eventually get a good bios to make it decent for DDr4 memory overclocking or is it still better to go with your original recommendation of getting the MSI Z690-A? I love me a Post Code but not if memory OC is poor due to sub par bios.

[@MrWhizeGuy]

A bit late but it's a fucking mess. I swapped to a gigabyte board from MSI z690-a, don't... Training issues still on latest.. when you know how to handle it it's easier. Also good boards if you don't go for max overclocks. I had to settle for 3900 cl14 with 4 8gb sticks, could do 4266 with 2 sticks. Took me many days before i realized my RTL's can't be locked even if it's the same values. Stops training.

[@UnluckyDomino]

Gigabyte released beta updates for all their Z690 boards which apparently fixes 3200MHz~3600MHz XMP kits. Hopefully that means better memory support overall for over 3600 too Hope you can make a video about overclocking Micron rev.e on this board

[@seanperscky]

lol, you wish.....

[@reynolds087]

Thanks!

[@dvr1337]

Our z690 asus -p wifi doesnt boot with 4000 xmp profiles.

[@TheYangoo]

Your channel is very helpful, tons of useful information about Intel 12Gen related topics. Thank you! By the way, in your opinion what DDR4 memory is better for 12Gen i7 - cheapest 3200MHz 14CL with B-Die (G.Skill Ripjaws V F4-3200C14D-32GVR) or some 3600 MHz 16CL with SK hynix DJR (Kingston Fury Renegade KF436C16RB1AK2/32)?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Samsung B-die.

[@larskorhonen4103]

Thanks for the help, got 4000 c15-15-15-30 running on my z690i aourus ultra.

[@chinaspyware]

which ram kit you running?

[@larskorhonen4103]

@@chinaspyware gskill 3200, 15-15-15-35 1.35v

[@chinaspyware]

@@larskorhonen4103 cheers, that's a nice OC

[@NVMDSTEvil]

Maybe there is a "hole" in training voltage? Try like 1.7v? If tRCD needs to stay high maybe it indicates they used Micron E-Die for tuning?

[@marcelforrel]

Z690-A Strix , have DDR4 4400 in it , 4 modules , xmp will not work whatsoever. Up to 3000 , it worked , beyond that , nope. Any idea why that might be the case? Bios is updated etc. As I know there were DRAM instabilities

[@aldimore]

Hence the reason I buy build and leave it alone. As a former IT guy I hate playing with my computer once it runs. Thus I do my overclocking vicariously through you. Thanks for the entertainment.

[@King0fgames_]

Same here, once I got a job in IT i just want my shit to work now LOL. Same reason i'm switching back to intel now, all the random ryzen issues have pissed me off and I just want stability.

[@thatguy7595]

Bz is taking things as far as they will go, hence the issues. With a modest overclock, it is set and forget. But modern parts don't have much headroom so I don't think its worth anymore either. I used to run an OC'd Sandy Bridge though that saved me countless hours thanks to the extra speed.

[@kundalinikova392]

The only thing I found to get consistent and good memory overclocking on the gigabyte gaming x z690 was powering off the machine, and turning off the PSU for a few seconds to drain the current, turn it back on and Voilà

[@DimkaTsv]

Yay 12900k throttled so fast and so hard, that it almost had same results as my 5600x (127-130 seconds for full 2.5b computation)

[@patricksweetman3285]

Thank you very much for the tutorial.

[@stigi3849]

Buildzoid and I ARE best friends :)

[@arthurberggren5618]

I bought a Z390 AORUS Pro WiFi mainly because of what you said. At the time I didn't know that it was not so great for RAM overclocking. I was very frustrated at first because I couldn't get it over 3866 stable and I almost messaged you personally just to see if you had any tricks up your sleeve. I had G-Skill 3200cl14 b-die on an A0 PCB that wouldn't go above 3866. That kit was supposed to be mine but my friend wanted it back so I bought F4-4000C18Q-32GTZKW on an A2 PCB off the QVL. I think possibly the PCB was the big difference. Most people seem to have trouble going above 3,600 or 3866, however I am able to boot into Windows and run a stress test at 4400 MHz. It's not stable but not terribly so. I might have needed more voltage. I haven't really messed around with it a whole lot because it's not practical and I was fine with 4,000 16-16-16-28 which is fully stable with super tight secondaries and tertiaries. 4200 is stable at 16-18-18-36. I have ran TM5, OCCT, and HCImemtest for many hours to make sure. I actually posted with 4533, which doesn't even sound believable, especially if you have used that board lol. If you would like some screenshots or something for verification let me know. What I think is weird is I have an easier time posting at 4200 or 4266 than at 4000 or 4133. Even 4400 is easier to post. It seems like for 4000 to post I need more VCCIO but once it does I can lower it back down and it's stable.

[@Joe_Rebel]

13:50 that brought me back lol, remember getting into overclocking with my FX-8350. Getting to that cmos just to reset settings got old quick

[@corsairsloop3234]

I was o'cing bdie on z490 and had lots of problems with rtls and iols. They would work sometimes and other times they would be very far from each other / more than 2. So the memory controller isn't good enough for my timings and my memory is unstable. What I did was enable fast boot turning it on and off and leaving it on when it trained properly. Making the settings stuck like that. Bit dodgey I think. It did pass memtest over 600%. I will go back soon and redo my whole ram oc.

[@BonusCrook]

3800 works for me, slot machine at 4000 like you said haha. Also it has joycon drift where I got 4000 stable but then it un-stabled itself a few days later.

[@LordNikonPL]

i cant get my 4800 to post anything higher than it is and its 2600... with F6b. any help ? g skill trident 4800 cl20 :(

[@werewolfmoney6602]

Wait, there's only *one* gigabyte z690 ddr4 board with a post code? What the hell is gigabyte even doing over there?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

there is literally only 1 DDR4 Z690 board with a post code and this is it.

[@sumikomei]

Whoa, it did the thing! =O

[@Slimmeyy]

Hope you don't mind me asking (Gigabyte has given up answering my questions): What is the difference between rev.1.1 and rev.1.2 of the X570 Aorus Pro? They share the same webpage so I can't find any differences anywhere (along with not being able to find rev.1.2 for sale anywhere).

[@asterisk4424]

Just saw the Tachyon get released on newegg. Not sure if you already have one or plan to get one for testing.

[@kayk3639]

Does anyone know the name of the cpu cooler in this vid? thanx

[@andyc2860]

Quick Question, where did you get the aorus pro ddr4? I want one for myself but i’m not sure if the issues are worth dealing with.

[@keepcalm1182]

Never used post-codes so far, but how will I learn to read what its actually showing and doing? Is it learning by doing while having the codes next to me? I guess I learned already Something from your video, but other than that, no Idea 😅 Thanks!

[@muhdfitri5371]

is using hyperx renegade work with aorus z690 elite ax ddr4? i want to buy the mobo and already have a hyperx renegade 3600mhz cl16

[@MrDutch1e]

Had to friggin clear cmos yesterday just trying to get my micron e die 3600c16 to work at 3800 16-18-16-36 with 580 trfc 1.4v yesterday. Stuck in boot loop. Had a glitchy boot with just xmp and speed adjusted to 3800 tho so adjusting the timing was a risk. Probably needed a bump to SA voltage. Running 4x8gb so I doubt 1.2v was enough lol.

[@muramusan]

What's the best ram ocing kit or die? For latency and high clocks... I have my gskill flare x 32gb kit at cl15 3600 rn but my 5800x is iffy on 3800

[@IK4MS]

"For latency" 8gbit B-Die "high clocks" 8gbit B-Die and 8git Rev. E As for kits, Idk, your best bet would probably be whatever has the lowest XMP latency, since that'll tend to be the best bin. Something like G.Skill's 4000 14-15-15 or 4800 17-19-19. Why you'd spend hundreds of dollars for a maybe ~2% perf improvement, however, is probably the more serious question here.

[@muramusan]

@@IK4MS gotcha well with my kit it's buttery smooth on my os load times are good I just like that. only spent 200 for my 32gb kit so great price 😎 think for my next build I'll go for the 4800mhz cl17 range. Yeah the thing with that 2% it makes a difference with studder and smoother operations. when it's not that way it's laggy janky and untuned, like a sloppy mess of wires that get the job done. but alot of ways to not get the information quick enough... so that's why it's worth it. Thanks for the info though 😊

[@IK4MS]

@@muramusan Honestly that sounds either like you have utterly horrid timings or your system is broken. RAM impact on load times should be nigh-zero.

[@muramusan]

@@IK4MS no I'm talking about your 2% reference from like a cl22 kit to a cl17 kit so and and so forth it makes it easier on the smoothness of the overall system like a engine. If you have timings to high the engine is running to rich and harder to choo choo lol. Stability and efficiency latency in this instance 🤣 and my system legit loads up In like 5secs no joke it's fast af 😋

[@tt33333wp]

Where I can but this motherboard in Europe?

[@MoldyCrow666]

When is the board getting released in the US?

[@hanmaruf2919]

how to get zalman cooler to 1700 socket?

[@jaysoncronly7041]

i cant get above 3600 no matter what voltages i use (2x16gb B-Die kit) and trying to tighten timings is pretty much a waste of time as well. gigabyte z690i

[@dracktw]

im running 4000mhz gear 1 cl-16-17-17-37 with all your terceries and secundaries 1.5v vram and 1.25sa on z690 edge, i think msi and asus are the best one right now for gear 1 + with OLOy Blade RGB 32GB bdie from newegg

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I think my CPU also sucks a bit because I can't run 4000 even on the TUF and the max frequency I can boot is 4100.

[@dracktw]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking try the msi i think is much easier to oc i was able to boot 4133 but not stable at all even pushing vram and s.a so I decide to stay 4000 latency is 46. My cpu is been running 5.2hz all cores 4.0 e cores 44 ring with a artic freezer 360 1.35vcore LLC 5

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@dracktw My MSI DDR4 has been stuck in shipping for a week now.

[@GioCTRL]

@@dracktw yooo we're running the exact same settings/setup , 12700k 5.2 pcore 4.0 ecore 44 Ring 1.34vcore LLC4 ddr4 4000c16 msi edge and arctic LF 420mm AIO. I'm kinda underwhelmed with the coolers performance under load seeing 15c delta on the p-cores in all sorts of stress tests can't be a normal behavior :/

[@Odysseas13LefkonaSt]

Has anyone noticed that all the Crucial Ballistix Max kits have been ~50% off in Europe for about a week? What's up with that?

[@livebig6414]

Yes, yes and they’re sold out on amazon. 3600 cl16 for £62, 3200 was for £50.

[@MrWhizeGuy]

If you ever go back to ddr4, i figured out my issue with gigabyte and ddr4 overclocking. RTL seem to fuck memory yraininh. Even if i set 71/69 that has booted for weeks 8n auto, it won't train. Gigabyte is a mess when it comes to memory overclocking

[@shadow-ht5gk]

Same thing happens on my msi z690

[@MrWhizeGuy]

@@shadow-ht5gk my MSI z690-p and -A never had issues :s i managed to get it working after some time tho. Had to train all the way from 2166mhz and boot each step, same thing with voltages, if i changed vddq i had to set it 0.05 or 0.10 from auto and boot each step. When i finally settled for 3800 (4 sticks 🤦🏼‍♂️booted 3900, tm5 5hrs stable but not even 2hr stable when gaming) i could finally set RTL

[@MrDutch1e]

I swear corsair just buys bottom binned shit ICs and slaps some rgb on and charges put the ass. Like needing 16-19-19 to get 3800 range on bdie is ridiculous. 300 trfc for that frequency is pretty crazy to but you know better than me lol.

[@thedeleted117]

i really wanted to get this board but wasnt available anywhere so i settled for the TUF d4 instead. It's .. decent..

[@sendlocation8476]

BUILDZOID Gigabyte has XMP issues I heard. But does Gigabyte Z690 DDR5 have XMP issues? Cause I need to run DDR5 ram of 6400mhz

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I've had no issues with the DDR5 boards so far.

[@ImMegaDeath]

me spending 12 hours learning how to tune sub timings manually, then watching you use auto to set them..... me realizing I have so much to learn -_-

[@rocketr2]

So if I buy a Gskill 4000mhz cl14 the xmp will not work on this board?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

2x8 will work. 2x16 won't

[@rocketr2]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking But you get more performance boost from dual rank than single rank correct?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@rocketr2 yeah DR at 3866 is faster than SR at 4000

[@flashcloud666]

What CPU cooler is that?

[@kamikaze00007]

Wait... I'm a confused noob here. Isn't the new mobo supposed to only be compatible with DDR5? How are you able to run DDR4? Is it a board with two versions?

[@NVMDSTEvil]

yes, there are DDR4 and DDR5 board versions.

[@thatguy7595]

will we get a ddr4+ddr5 hybrid board from asrock again?

[@NVMDSTEvil]

@@thatguy7595 possibly but kind of doubt it

[@sagerdood]

I dont know where you got this but there isnt 1 z690 d4 board on the market i can find with a post code... definatly bot the pro

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

the DDR4 Pro entered production really late along with the Tachyon and the Aero D the boards are only now starting to get to retailers.

[@sagerdood]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking ic... kinda sucks each board maker imo should have put post codes on there d4s.

[@sagerdood]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking tachyon looks pretty nice.

[@Tekzite]

I have issues getting my G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C16D-32GTZN to work on the Gigabyte X570 Master with a 5950x. It doesn't do XMP 3600, but it does do XMP 3000MHz (anything over 3000 will run into issues with the BIOS resetting). It seems I have a 5950x with a poor memory controller to be honest, because my previous 3900x was able to handle the XMP 3600 just fine with the same ram. Should I return my cpu and get a replacement? Do you have any advise Buildzoid?

[@muramusan]

Could try to up the like .05 increments volts on the soc ? Or use Ryzen master to do your clocks maybe bios update? Or cmos reset

[@Tekzite]

@@muramusan Thanks for helping. Trying that. I see that the X570 Master has the tendency to set the SOC voltage too low. It idles at 1.181v on the SOC (according to hwinfo64), while it can go up to 1.2v max. Currently on that setting, going to try it out and see if it remains stable at 3600. Weird thing is most times 3600 does boot and when booted it's totally stable. That's why I laughed, because Zoid is saying to never reboot your computer and maybe it's best to keep it on always. xD

[@muramusan]

@@Tekzite yeaa that's strange could just be your mother board having a weird North bridge or vrm but goodluck to your PC troubles lol we all got them

[@MrMeanh]

Can say that I had issues getting anything being stable above 3200 on my X570 Aorus Ultra (rev.1.0) with a 5900x, both the same kit that you have and some Crucial Ballistix 3200 with E-die memory. Managed to snag a MSI B550 Unify for €150 on Amazon, just loaded the XMP on the Neo kit and worked without any issues with the same CPU. Seems like some Gigabyte boards just don't like getting memory running at 3600 since I heard of a few others having similar issues with their x570 board.

[@Tekzite]

@@MrMeanh Yeah, it might totally be the fact that it's a Gigabyte board, which just screams issues.

[@Bojcha76]

Is this board T or daisy ?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

all DDR5 boards are daisy chain

[@Bojcha76]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking but this is ddr4 :D

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@Bojcha76 I guess I shoulda said that AFAIK ALL Z690 boards are daisy chain

[@Pandemonium088]

Give the msi z690 edge wifi ddr4

[@gidderman]

Lol watching you make the same mistakes over and over was quite entertaining 🙃