Dual Trigger Pad - DIY

This video is about building a dual trigger system for less than 100€.
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We bought this 14-inch pearl rhythm traveler pad. It is a second hand pad and perfect for modifications. The interesting part of the pad is however the trigger system. Therefore we need this trigger cone and a decoupler from r-drums to desolate the head trigger from the pad. Head and rim piezo also from r-drums, an adhesive dot to apply the piezo, a stereo jack plug, 6 x m4 screws including big washers and lock washers and these metal angles.
First we’ll remove head and rim. We take off a lug screw and a second one at the opposite to attach 2 of the angles. We use m4 screws with big washers. The original screws are too short.
It is important to measure the exact distance between the holes. The main component of the pad will be an aluminium disc. The disc is from a German Online store, specialist in metal sheet cutting. It should be 10mm smaller than the drum inner diameter, but still big enough to fit the holes of the angles.
The purpose of a smaller disc is that we are still flexible with the way we attach the angle. We can mount it in 4 different variations. There is also enough space for the second lug screw.
Our pad has 6 lugs. That means we need 6 holes with an offset of 60°. The disc is protected with a protection layer, which is writeable. This is the spot for the jack plug. It shouldn’t be too far away from the piezos, duo to their cable length. The 40 by 40 mm square is required for the decoupler foam.
The holes at the angles have a diameter of 5mm. As a result we’ll drill 5mm holes into the aluminium disc. Aluminium is not only light, it is also really easy to work with. We attached a hover pipe near the drill bit, to get rid of the aluminium dust immediately. Just getting rid of the edges with a countersink.
Now we can try out if the holes fit with the applied angles.
Time to cut out the square in the middle of the pad. The protection layer get’s removed only at this spot. We want to use spray adhesive to paste the decoupler onto the disc. This way we only spray the required spot.
The decoupler has to be exactly in the middle of the disc, to get the best trigger result.
Spay adhesive is a perfect way for applying foam.
We get rid of the layer after few hours of waiting time.
The decoupler has a little stainless steel disc. It is the perfect surface for attaching the piezos.
Now we’ll need the piezos, the bigger one is for the rim and gets pasted via double layered adhesive tape, near the centre of the disc. We decided to not use an adhesive dot here to have a more sensitive rim trigger. The smaller head trigger gets attached with an adhesive dot specially made for this purpose. It has to be exactly in the middle of the steal disc. Time to paste the smaller head piezo.
We screw on the jack plug, which points down.
The cables will be bunched with a heat shrinking tube before the soldering process begins. They get soldered to the jack. It is really important to connect them in the right way. You can download the wiring diagram in the video description.
Shrink the head shrinking tube with a hot air gun or a lighter.
We have to mount the angles first. They should be mounted in a way that the cone has the correct height and stays moveable either up or down.
The height of the cone, piezo and decoupler is 63 mm. This means the disc has to be around 62mm lower than the bearing edge of the drum.
In this case we need a gap between angles and aluminium disc. We take a longer m5 screw including washers and extra nut. We mount it this way to lift the angle up.
As you can see there is still enough room for the lower screw and the fine-tuning of the trigger cone.
The upper lug screws and the ones of the holder have to be removed.
Now we can finally install the trigger system. It is really tight which means we worked accurately. The m4 screws need lock washers and big washers. We screw them but won’t tighten them yet. The holder screws need to be applied now.
Now we need the trigger cone. We cut a little gap into it, to give the cable of the piezo some space. The top of the cone has to be 1,5mm higher than the bearing edge of the drum. The sticky tape is the marker.

[@65Drums]

You both really raised the bar with this video. That intro was really cool, the logo and the music were great. And you put so much detail into this video, it's incredible! Great job. I can't imagine how many hours you are putting into making these videos.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Many many hours, thanks for your feedback Justin:)

[@AdamRobertshaw]

+Justin Greenawalt The intro blew my face off whilst I was wearing headphones... a bit of volume correction would be really appreciated!

[@65Drums]

+Adam Robertshaw it happens. I make edrum videos too, and it's hard to get it perfect.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Adam Robertshaw Helps you to be fully awake before the content start:)

[@ebeauch123]

Justin, hey!!

[@vvss1979]

what thickness of aluminum disk is enough?

[@emersonpires17]

muito bom gostei....

[@CARBONJUNIORS]

Compared to say a top of the line roland pad or the R Drums package how does it perform? Is this or the torque one better also? Thanks

[@Vdrumtips1]

Carbon It triggers as good as a Roland pad. The torque trigger is better, as it is quieter and the rim piezo is in the centre.

[@CARBONJUNIORS]

Vdrum Tips thanks

[@CARBONJUNIORS]

Vdrum Tips Are you still thinking about producing the torque or Flexi system? Is it possible to release the specs, I and I'm sure many others would be willing to pay for the specs.

[@NikoSatiaNuryanto]

hi can anyone give me snare wiring diagram for Yamaha DTXpress? I've tried this but the rim shot didn't work :/

[@tjhessmon4327]

Excellent video. Takes patience to build an e-drum such as this one, but the results are worth the effort. I would add a few items to this build 1- A switch for the head pizeo, so it can be used for Roland or Alesis which are wired reverse from each other. 2- A Potentiometer for both Piezo's so they can be adjusted (trimmed) to work with various drum modules 3- a lower plate used to mount the Potentiomenters, Switch and Jack These could add kaizen to your assembly

[@nickkiahtipes2785]

I like the immediate disposal of aluminum you included. It is very common and its dangers are frequently overlooked. Ill send you a video of how my drum turns out if y'all can tell me the brand of the gooseneck extension you are using with your quick-change bits @6:11. Super impressed with the design and I was not expecting to find videos this thorough right off the bat. Thanks.

[@jameshicks7125]

The aluminum disc is an unnecessary expense. You can use alumimum U Channel. I converted 4 piece ludwig set into an 8 piece electronic kit by cutting the shells in half. I use it with a Roland TD-12 and TD-8 and it works perfectly. If you have two zones like a head piezo and a rim piezo the head piezo needs to float on some foam, I mounted the piezo to a small square aluminum plate, glued the cone to that. That was mounted with two vibration dampening stand-offs to the U channel. No problems.

[@joelalexander4513]

Jesus fucking Christ, dude...at this rate, I might as well get some ddrum triggers and call it a day. Fucking hell...

[@codersexpo1580]

Is there anyone in the US that sells that decoupler @0:25? RDrum is a Germán company an costs more to get it here...including time.

[@jayluck8047]

"We attach the Hoover pipe near the drill bit to remove the Aluminum dust immediately." - Classic! "Keeping a vacuum tube near the drill site, we can remove any Aluminum dust we create as we work." - Maybe? Great vid, I have a question though: I couldn't quite understand the narrator, what is the purpose of the decoupler? 0:24 Did she say decelerate?

[@mladenmarinov2664]

I use 35mm for both rim and head are there any problem or need to be small for head tnx (sry for bad eng )

[@PierjanVadeboin]

Yeah a dual Jack Black !

[@ebeauch123]

Pierjan wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut

[@ganigarcia1044]

Why is the Stereo jack connected that way, is the Piezo connected in series?

[@TheNilther]

Hello, I saw a lot of your videos and started making my DIY electronic drums, I bought shielded Jack connectors because they fit perfectly into the hole in the shell, the fit worked, however, the two stereo outputs were the same with head sound, without rim, after After trying many different things I saw that other simple plastic connectors did not present the problem. Could I use resistors in the shielded Jack connectors to solve the problem? These connectors were very expensive and fit perfectly, I would like to make it work

[@francoisdauteuil9422]

Hello, Followed your recipe and made a dual zone snare drum. The response of the center piezo is MUCH weaker than the one on the rim. I tried swaping the piezo and event inverted the wiring, same result. I also tried the connect it to the tom input with same result. The "stock" pads work normally. I'm using an Alesis Surge module. Any idea where my problem is ? Thanks. By the way, lve your videos !

[@sweetleaf7751]

i have a few Pintech and S&S Drums (Electronic Drums) ,in the S&S you have Big pans, but i notice when using these pans even with self reject setting (because of MizTriggers, it did not sound as good till i removed the pan and put a cone inside instead aprox 1.5 mm above the Drum shell and it sounded much better.using mesh heads. has anyone else ever ran into the same issue?

[@Jep_Dmuzika]

Can use this on TD11 module?

[@Drumsholic]

Why you use different size piezzo for head and rim??Also why you set the foam cone exactly to the center of the drum and not aside cause the center is the most hitting area and time to time the foam will be destructed??It has some relation to the position sensing problem??

[@sensisaeed]

amazing yor video .... Please tell us the technical names of the required electronics .... We are sanctioned by the United States in Iran ...

[@patrickmallet8178]

hello great video I also did the same editing as you, but my Rim trigger does not sound on my ROLAND TD12 Do you know this problem?? thanks for an answer

[@pedroorthey]

Hey, I've been revisiting this video in the past few months, searching for the components ( it was hard, here in Brasil they don't sell many related things) and building it. And today I finally finished the project, it triggers amazingly and it is very fun to play, just wanted to say thanks for the inspiration and the tutorial!!

[@willie1828]

Bom dia, também sou BR. Estou pesquisando sobre montar uma bateria eletronica caseira, e realmente por aqui é difícil encontrar alguns componentes. Você poderia me dizer como ficou seu projeto e onde encontrar as peças? Abraço.

[@pedroorthey]

@Glauber de Souza O sensor é o mais simples, qualquer loja de componentes eletrônicos vai ter, e os fios tbm, mas tem soldado na internet já. Eu utilizei uma caixa 14×5 como base, pra pele eu usei uma muda da marca custom, tem baratinha no mercado livre, a base de metal eu mandei fazer em uma loja de retalhos de metal, basicamente medi o diâmetro interno do casco e tirei uns 3 milímetros. O cone eu comprei um da própria Roland de reposição, tem no mercado livre tbm, mas da pra comprar uma espuma densa como D45 pra cima e cortar um cone, a parte que fica de baixo do cone, eu comprei eva em metro, daqueles mais grossos, cortei em pedaços quadrados e colei usando cola de sapateiro, na mesma loja de borrachas que comprei o eva, eu comprei uma borracha que cobre quinas, pra cobrir o aro de metal, pra acoplar a base de metal no casco eu comprei cantoneiras L com dois furos de cada lado e pedi pra um cara de ferramentaria conectar os furos cortando, deixando assim ajustável, da pra encontrar essas cantoneiras em lojas para casa e ferramentas.

[@pedroorthey]

@Glauber de Souza Esqueci de uma coisa, pra colar os piezos eu comprei uma fita dupla face da 3M e cortei redondo, colando em baixo, é só procurar uma mais larga pra caber os piezos.

[@pedroorthey]

@@willie1828 E aí mano, respondi o outro cara sobre isso, desculpe eu não tinha visto antes o comentário, mas basicamente ficou perfeito, só aumentei a sensibilidade de leve no módulo e funcionou perfeitamente

[@pedroorthey]

@Glauber de Souza se tiver dúvidas pode me chamar no instagram, é o mesmo nome mas junto pro @.

[@Karbonkage]

Damn u got a girly voice mate but sweet as.......

[@massimoresnati]

Thank you for your very interesting video. I have a question. the trigger you positioned on the aluminum disc and the one relating to the rim? Thank you

[@andy80sdrums]

Aren't any premade solutions available somewhere. By the time I DIY one of these I'll be old.

[@Wandrummer]

That's great!!!! now I'll do it correctly. Thank you very much!!!

[@hmdrumsmexico9168]

Excelente bendiciones broo, yo estoy enseñando como hacer tambores de bateria y carpinteria , saludos

[@simcajon9445]

hi, my problem is to have 2 piezes on the same surface and separate the sounds and seeing this video I wanted to know if the solution I am looking for is the decouplert

[@auggiebendoggy]

Anyone know if multiple triggers can be chained to one practice pad? I put a trigger under a pad but it only reacts when it's struck directly on top of the transducer. As you move away from the piezo, it gets lighter and ligher till nothing. I'm thinking maybe using 3 or 4 on the same pad and wire them together. Maybe that won't work.

[@user-wh6sp6st8s]

Does R-Drums still exist?? I can't find them anywhere. Looking for soft beaters.

[@MikeMcRoberts]

So am I right in saying that the mesh head touches the top of the cone? Also, the bottom of the cone sits on foam to acoustically isolate it from the rest of the drum?

[@mr.dizini5586]

Hey, I have a question: I have the EAD 10. It has a trigger input for a normal mono plug, but can play 3 sounds from this one input. How does this work and how can I built this

[@claudiodesouza350]

Sensacional!!! Parabéns!!! Pode me informar qual é a espessura do disco de alumínio? Obrigado!

[@drbelli]

me perguntei isso tbm, ai pausei o video quando o disco esta sendo perfurado, e comparando com a regua q aparece no video, tirando a diferença e achei 2mm de espessura.

[@franciscojoseolivero3409]

Why did your website dissapeared??

[@pascaldemat7135]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@fakhrurrazicode9628]

can you tell me what the black cube on the decoupler is made of?

[@justinsjourney3224]

Does a pad like this work with an Alesis Strike Pro se module?

[@aleksandarsavic6202]

Gosh, this is awesome! Thank you!

[@Vdrumtips1]

Thanks man!

[@C4Fernandez]

I'm new to electronic drums and currently looking into building one as I'm into Design and Tech. Do all drum modules support dual trigger drums?

[@Vdrumtips1]

C4Fernandez - Chris Fernandez I am not 100% sure, but as far as I know the big brands do. Roland, 2Box, Alesis

[@almalfacini3035]

Hello there ! I have those metal shell triggers ( kind of like roland`s, but much cheaper ones ). Is it anyway possible to transform them, from single zone triggers, into dual zone triggers ? (just like Roland`s RT-30HR) . Have a good one.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Al Malfacini What triggers do you have exactly?

[@almalfacini3035]

Triggers DEVAL ( 5 pieces kit ). Unfortunately, all of them are single zones. www.google.com.br/search?q=trigger+deval&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiiyca-pr7VAhVGI5AKHY-7AHcQ_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=638#imgrc=UUedlpvKgvzU5M:

[@Vdrumtips1]

I think there is a video on youtube about this.

[@almalfacini3035]

yeah, someone told me that, and that's how I found your videos (awesome videos by the way). I looked everywhere on YT, but I couldn't find such video.

[@thiagobatera7056]

The piezos I have have 20 millimeters, can I use anyway? or will it not?

[@Enarmad]

Great! I'm wondering what sound module you used? Or is it midi with something like EZ Drummer/Drumkit from hell or what? The snare sounded awesome!

[@Vdrumtips1]

Enarmad It is a Roland TD-9 in combination with EZdrummer 2.

[@sosiawanputra]

Good

[@Max-ol9qi]

My rim piezo is triggering pretty Bad, what can i so about it?

[@danielrubianoarevalo1869]

works whit yamaha?

[@davehobby6421]

Where to buy the parts

[@TehMatt]

Again, amazing series, but what exactly is the decoupler made out of, and what it its purpose here? I see many DYI videos just place the piezo on some raised metal with foam.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Matthew Attard Thank you! The decoupler is made out of foam and used as vibration damping system. The head trigger would react when hitting the rim if there would not be a damping system.

[@paulieheinhuis]

Hi. I am converting my drums with piezos. I am looking for a wiring diagram for a yamaha dtxplorer module. Do you have such a diagram? That would be fantastic!

[@Vdrumtips1]

No sorry, check out the v-drums.com forum

[@kennethanderson5085]

Hi , would it be ok to use 6mm thick MDF circles instead of the 2mm thick aluminium E-Drum Conversions as shown in Part 3 ?. Or will this material not be as responsive for rim triggering ? . Thanks . Ken.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Yes, I guess it would even be better, since MDF does not vibrate that strong.

[@ronblair8379]

Much better than the cheap triggers I made from Remo practice pads and the one I made from a mesh practice pad with the foam come. This is very professional and, if I ever do another kit, I'll definitely be replicating THIS setup. Thanks.

[@johndef5075]

Honestly this is nice but a built overkill. I built a trigger using a shelf bracket and 2 small slotted brackets that is solid as a rock. Bought a prewired Pintech piezo with foam and 1/4 jack from amazon for $18. Works very well and is quieter and waaay easier than this project. Undoubtedly quieter since it has mesh heads on both ends.

[@JONYMEDAS]

Bravo .... Bravíssimo ... explêndido.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Jony Clem obrigado

[@edsalisch4322]

I like your videos. I was wondering if you could make one showing how you can have a hybrid drum. Where you have the cone thing but still get that real drum sound from the microphone. Or is it better just to use a Kt-trigger or DDrum triggers?

[@Vdrumtips1]

ed salisch Hi, for a hybrid drum it would be better to use a trigger you can attach to the rim. It would effect the sound otherwise.

[@ragnarmarnikulasson3626]

I'm looking into making my own trigger cones, how stiff should the foam be? I know it's a stupid question BTW :Þ

[@MegaMrStitch]

Today I will try to cut cones from 3M sanding block. When I get results - I let you know. But material is pretty similar

[@Vdrumtips1]

@Jizzus: I have them at home and will make a video about them soon.

[@royaltyhybriddrums]

Your videos are AMAZING! Really helped me. I bought a Pearl RT and will follow all steps. But I got one doubt: is the wiring of Head and Rim piezos correct? Because all wiring diagram I found on internet is different than yours... could you confirm? Thank you so much! Keep posting!!!!

[@Vdrumtips1]

Hi, you are correct. The wiring is wrong. I messed it up. But I just figured it out recently. Better follow the other wiring diagrams.

[@royaltyhybriddrums]

Vdrum Tips No problem at all, it's so easy to change it. The most important steps and tips you gave me. EXCELENT WORK!!!!!

[@Vdrumtips1]

Thank you. I just added an info box to refer to this issue.

[@rubcu9755]

Would it work too if we substitute the steel disc for a wooden one? I think it would be much cheaper. Thanks for all these awesome videos

[@Vdrumtips1]

Rubén Carrillo Ureña It would work, but wood is not as good for transferring the vibration. Ideal it would be a 4mm aluminium disc. But it does not matter if it is for cheaper modules.

[@Ozterkvlt]

if you do that you might as well just use 2 wooden bars and attach the rim piezo to the side of the shell, i think.

[@andresgomezgarcia774]

Does it work with dtx Yamaha modules?

[@talongregory4375]

Can these be used with an actual drum head? I am wondering because I don't want to use them with a drum brain, I just want to use them to trigger a noise gate in a live drum situation.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Not sure, it would be really noisy and the sound of the drum would be influenced.

[@laszloszucs583]

Can u tell me exactly the metal disc firm's name?I'm from Germany and I wanna buy that disc:))thank u very much

[@Vdrumtips1]

Blech King

[@ProsPlayFps]

I made this but IT doesnt trigger right any tips on how to Fix it?

[@leon1991-oct]

hi guys, i have an alesis dm6 and i made the can pad, i connected and it works! but i want to make the dual trigger pad. i dismantling one pad of my drum and it have a resistor. my question is: IF I DONT PUT A RESISTOR, my module will have a problem? sorry for my english. what is for the resistor???

[@theothertroll]

to resist the trigger signal ~

[@Vdrumtips1]

Your English is fine, I can understand everything:) I am not experienced with Alesis modules. I would build the dual pad and try what happens without resistor. And if it does not work, buy a resistor. They cost only cents. Check the colour code of the Alesis resistor and buy one with the same resistance. I think the resistor is to "decouple head and rim". It is just a way of how Alesis modules recognize the difference between head and rim.

[@juanortega9355]

are these pads made and sold somewhere? I really dont know how to make one, it talks about some parts I dont know and have and it would be more expensive to make it.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Sorry, but I don't sell them:(

[@ebeauch123]

Man, your creations are cool! I like your girlfriend's voice, but where did you get the jack?

[@SaumBodhi]

I think the girl is the engineer here friend.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Matthew Whitehouse Cajon: So you want to build an e-cajon? You talk about the trigger cone? As you won't have positional sensing on a cajon, you might place them near the frame to not hit them directly. What module will you use? Let me know if your project is going on, think this idea is really interesting.

[@Vdrumtips1]

no, you need something to covert the trigger signal. For a cajon I would use a Roland TM-2.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Some Roland modules have cajon sounds and the TM-2 samples sounds. Check if you can find a used one.

[@theothertroll]

E-Cajon is a stupid concept-

[@Vdrumtips1]

Not according to Roland, they released 2 e-cajon products. It seems to be in demand.

[@Yomamura29]

Oh sorry i didn't know much i am interested at electronics like that Thanks BTW i am new

[@labigithastaetmeadam]

That's some good workmanship mate. It is obvious that you put a lot of effort in your videos. I hope your channel gets more famous. You made some great explanations but i fear i would never be able to build something like that.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Thanks, it is not difficult. The only 2 important things are drilling the holes accurately and measuring the disc. The rest is simple.

[@SaumBodhi]

Hmmm... i have one of those tools... i think.

[@Medievalfan94]

wouly this trigger work on ddrum dti or the alesis equivalent? I am planning on converting an old cheap kit to electric for my flat

[@Vdrumtips1]

It works with all ddrum modules (ddrum 2, 3, 4 + AT) Alesis DM10, trigger I/O and strike. (with older Alesis modules partly just mono triggering)

[@campar1043]

ok someone needs to tell me how they fixed hotspots

[@campar1043]

how did you tackle the hot spot issue?

[@tomjoad6993]

I made a trigger similar to this, but because I'm using mylar heads, I didn't use a cone, and used a design similar to Alesis DM10. You can see here what I'm talking about: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWSymoKEd66cgc0&t=204 I read on your site about polarity, and I have a question since I encountered a strange issue. When I first hooked up the two piezos the head and rim worked fine, but after fiddling with it and replacing the piezos, I couldn't get the head or rim to trigger. Finally, I turned the rim gain down to 1 and the head triggered fine. I turned the head gain to 1 and rim gain back up and the rim triggered fine, but with the gain turned up on both they don't work. Do you think since the head piezo is acting like a rim piezo in the sense that the carrier plate is picking up vibrations instead of force being applied to the ceramic part like the cone system, that maybe they are cancelling each other out or something? I'll have to fiddle around with the wiring tomorrow, but it seems strange, because I swear I wired them up the same way I did the first two piezos I installed and the first two worked fine, together, so I'm wondering if the issue is being caused by the fact that the polarity may be different on one or both of the piezos from the first two that I used, so I need to wire them differently.

[@tomjoad6993]

Here's some more info: If the head and rim gain are both turned up past 1 then neither piezo will really work, just sporadically will it register a hit, once every ten strikes or so. But if I turn the rim gain to 1 and leave head gain up, the head piezo works perfectly fine. If I turn the head piezo gain to 1 and rim gain up then the rim works perfectly fine. But when both head and rim gain are turned up past 1 neither one will consistently work. If I enable "invert polarity" option on my drum module then both piezos start to work but they trigger the same sound. If wired like this: edrum.for.free.fr/static/pictures/MBrolandwiring.gif then with "invert polarity" enabled both the head piezo and rim piezo trigger the head sound. If wired like this: www.v-drumtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Wiring-diagram-for-Roland.pdf with "invert polarity" enabled then both piezos trigger the rim sound. Is it possible that two piezos could be incompatible with each other? I read that the polarity on piezos is random and can be different from piezo to piezo. I'm using the same brand of piezos as the first two I installed, which worked together perfectly fine. They are GoEdrum piezos which are made for e-drums.

[@tomjoad6993]

Maybe I figured it out. When it was working there was about a 2.5" space between the metal disc the rim piezo is on and the head trigger plate, but I reduced that to 1.5", which the foam I want to use is very expensive if I have to buy one 3" thick and cut it to 2.5". But with only 1.5" between the head piezo which is in the middle of the head trigger plate and the rim piezo on the bottom plate, I'm thinking they are interfering with each other. What do you think? This sucks if I have to move back to 2.5". This is such a nice simple, clean design the way I have it. I will have to turn the brackets upside down like you did then reduce the size of the bottom plate to accommodate the thickness of the brackets, plus the foam is so expensive, too expensive.

[@samosbornfilm]

@@tomjoad6993 Did you end up figuring this out?

[@FUSIONGRUPERAOFICIAL]

Hi, does it work with Alesis Dm5 drum module?

[@Vdrumtips1]

L. G. I think so.

[@ProsPlayFps]

How far do the holes need to be from the edge of the aluminum disk ? (Or does that depend on the kind of hardware you use to mount it

[@Vdrumtips1]

Yes, it depends on the hardware and the shell. It does not have to be built like this, just giving an idea.

[@fakhrurraziandi9204]

I plan to make a small kick pad, can i use this method for kick pad ?

[@Vdrumtips1]

No, you will destroy the cone if you hit it with a beater. There is a video about making a kick drum, check this one and apply it to a small shell.

[@grimslaughter1311]

What's the brand and series?

[@tinkings3397]

hi, habe eine frage Bezüglich der Aluplatte muss die Alu sein oder könnte man auch eine Plastik scheibe verwenden? LG.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Tin Kings Hi, das ist nur ein Design. Du kannst auch andere Materialien verwenden. Wichtigste dass das Material nicht schwingt. Jobeky drums verwendet so eine Pressspanpappe. Diese Kreisausschnitte sind halt nicht gerade leise.

[@timlobb7309]

Good video! I'd like to build an e-snare with separate side stick and rim shot triggers such as Drum-tech makes. Have you, or could you post some DIY info on the wiring and piezo mountings needed to make this work? Thanks! :-)

[@Vdrumtips1]

+Tim Lobb Durm-tec wires their snares exactly like the one in this video. There is no separate trigger for side stick and rim shot. The rim trigger is responsible for these 2 signals. It sends different wave signals to the module and the module can interpret if it is a side stick hit or a rim shot.

[@timlobb7309]

+Vdrum Tips Thank you for responding. The drum-tec video I saw was a demo of the new ATV aD5 module. Do you know if the same pad would still work properly (rim & x-stick) if used with a 2Box module?

[@Vdrumtips1]

I think so, since Roland pads work as well with 2 box. But I cannot ensure you.

[@justsayinit6789]

These instructionals are awesome, thank you so much for sharing! I'm attempting to build one of these but I can't seem to find the adjustable angle bracket anywhere. Can you tell me where to find them?

[@Vdrumtips1]

I bought them in Germany. R-drums is selling them worldwide.

[@cast390]

Is there a reason why you chose a smaller piezo for the head?

[@Vdrumtips1]

cast390 according to Roland pads, the head piezo has to be smaller. you can read this article about piezos for e-drums to understand the details: www.v-drumtips.com/piezos/

[@michaelstreck0925]

Where could I get the decoupler and the Dual trigger set in the US?

[@Vdrumtips1]

only online from R-Drums

[@HaroldTempoyoink]

Dude can you tell us what did u use to make it ? Also can you give us links for all the things where to buy them?

[@Vdrumtips1]

Hi, the links are in the description, just open it. Most of the parts are from R-drums. The aluminium disc is from a metal company.

[@HaroldTempoyoink]

Vdrum Tips Thanks !

[@Babadgy]

I love this voice.

[@kevinmeli]

xDDDD

[@jackyboudreault8573]

Babadji Nagardj chahahaha

[@willie1828]

Great video!

[@calebpanti7610]

So it make no sound ?

[@gsmpadmusic8801]

nice

[@mr_stix]

Hi, what thickness is the aluminium disk? Thanks

[@Vdrumtips1]

+Noel Wheatley 2mm. But better go for 3mm if you can.

[@tjp1432]

ok so how to i get the head sound and the edge sound and the rim shot sound all at the same time is that in the modual

[@Vdrumtips1]

Sorry, but I don't understand the question.

[@kunns123]

are you talking about a 3 zone pad? One with both cross stick and rim shot? No, it is not possible with this setup. Plus, the roland modules does not have a 3 zone feature.

[@AECJ1]

Really Good

[@bergpati]

For all this thank you, for your good work and for your dedication you have to us.

[@danysaschaja]

Why not using regular heads?, is it really necessary to get a Roland mesh head?

[@Vdrumtips1]

Hi, it doesn"t have to be a roland head, but I would go for at least a dual ply head, otherwise you'll have too much rebound.

[@mklschwrtz2]

Regular heads will work aswell. Although many people use e-drums like this because they can't use acoustic drums due to the sound. And a regular mylar drumhead will still produce sound even if the shell is 1" deep and you have no resonant head. Mesh heads on the other hand are made out of a type of fabric that (depending on the manufacturer) doesn't have a very high thread-count so they are more or less see through to the air can pass through, thus making less air inside the drum shell move when the head is struck and that way the shell doesn't vibrate much either. And fabric as you probably know, doesn't really resonate much either so much of the acoustic noise is eliminated so that you can play in your apartment or such at any time without disturbing anybody :)

[@Vdrumtips1]

Cool, mesh heads are really a matter of taste. I like the quietness of the remo heads, but think they are too bouncy. Have you ever tried drum-tec or Jobeky mesh heads?

[@Vaduggah1]

Hello there! Got a problem - Rim Piezo does not work. Soldered everything well, like it is supposed to be. The module is Roland TD4 - can the problem be in module? With Roland pads everything worked well, now even if I solder single piezo for rim according to your diagram it does not work. Thanks in advance!

[@Vdrumtips1]

+Vadim „Vaduggah“ Chernyshov I would try another rim piezo first. Also, have you soldered the piezo to a jack directly?

[@Vaduggah1]

+Vdrum Tips Thanks for such quick reply! I tried several of them - did not help. And yeah, I did solder it directly to the jack, just the same is on this video.

[@Vdrumtips1]

What piezos are you using?

[@Vaduggah1]

+Vdrum Tips 27mm for head, 35mm for rim.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Where have you bought them? Are you talking about stock piezos? What are the specs? (Voltage,...)

[@tjp1432]

how to do i make a dual zone snare play the head sound the rim sound and the side stick sound right now im only getting the head and the rim sound

[@Vdrumtips1]

The decoupler has to be as close to Roland pads to get the perfect side stick triggering. This is why I always refer to the R-Drums Decoupler.

[@tjp1432]

no what im saying is if i change the rim sound manualy i get the side stick but it either one or the other i cant make it have two different sounds on the rim all the time

[@tjp1432]

is that in the drum modual im running td-8

[@Vdrumtips1]

it should be possible to set it up in a way that you have all 3 sounds at the same time.

[@tjp1432]

OK WELL I DONT I GET TWO ANY IDEAS

[@drumilo8814]

Is this setup susceptible to hot spots?

[@Vdrumtips1]

Yes, if the mesh head is too stretchy.

[@danielemigliori7155]

How accurate is this system? Btw your ideas are great!!!

[@Vdrumtips1]

It is very accurate, through to the triggers and the cone. It is as good as the high end Roland pads (PD-128)

[@danielemigliori7155]

And does ist keep working as well as in the video also if I use a simple alluminium bar or the plate is necessary?

[@Vdrumtips1]

Daniele Migliori would work good enough, it is just not as solid.

[@jamessmith6420]

what piezo sensors do you recommend (dimensions in mm) for drumhead, rim and cymbal triggering?

[@Vdrumtips1]

I do recommend the R-drums piezos. The diameter alone does not matter, the piezos have to be measured for polarity and have the right amount of voltage and so on. I would never use stock piezos.

[@jamessmith6420]

Can you tell me what is the voltage on the R-drums piezos?

[@Vdrumtips1]

No, because I don't know it. But even if I would know it, you would still need an oscilloscope to measure the polarity. Here check this article: www.v-drumtips.com/piezos/

[@jamessmith6420]

Thanks for the info!

[@jamessmith6420]

Do you happen to know if there is a difference between cooper or brass based piezos?

[@Yomamura29]

What is a "piyetzo"??

[@Vdrumtips1]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity

[@billbradleymusic]

Oh yeah!!! Saving muney!! Lol

[@martymet]

how thick is the Aluminum disc?

[@Vdrumtips1]

2mm

[@martymet]

thanks:)

[@campar1043]

why are the piezos different sizes?

[@Vdrumtips1]

Cam Par Different voltages

[@campar1043]

Vdrum Tips what does that do?

[@RichB-78]

Wow! So much work has gone in to this. Well done. Love the new intro!

[@Vdrumtips1]

Thank you! Yeah, the filming and editing was a lot of work. The pad would be ready in 1 hour.

[@RichB-78]

Vdrum Tips I can imagine. You've done a great job making everything as clear as possible.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Glad you like it. I will transform a full kit soon:)

[@paulieheinhuis]

Thanks!