DualSense Edge Adaptive Trigger Teardown

[@an3k]

The adaptive trigger potentiometer is not for the position of the trigger itself but for the position of the motor. And as konishiwoi already wrote, the hall sensor is for the position of the trigger and the trigger stop lever sensor is to make sure the controller sends a "trigger is fully pulled" signal, regardless of the stop lever setting.

[@konishiwoi]

The lever to detect the position is probably so the controller knows a trigger stop is engaged making the trigger stop not strickly mecanichal but also incorporated into the software to the adaptive triggers remain functionnal without conflict with the next boundaries of the trigger. Then the hall effect is here for the actual analog imput of the trigger

[@RestoreTechnique]

Yeah I think you're right, cause the trigger wouldn't press down on the pressure sensor button if the trigger stop is active.

[@kevOzilla]

this controller is superior people dont understand how technologically advanced this controller is its insane this is hands down the absolute best pro controller right now on the market and it will only keep getting better with firmware updates from sony

[@Chr15Payne]

It knows for sure. I was testing the input range yesterday and I noticed when I engage the trigger stop, it will automatically adjust the max input range to the current level of the stop so that it still reads as a full press. Impressive.

[@Chr15Payne]

What this means in a game like warzone now, is that you can keep the trigger stop engaged at all times, and not have to worry about disengaging it to hop into a vehicle so you can drive it.

[@tt._.7857]

@@kevOzilla they shouldn’t have called this a pro controller because No actual pro would use it it’s more for the casual gamers with money . Especially over the razer controller coming out that’s a true pro controller

[@Costinmusca]

Most UNDERRATED controller!. Well, the BEST.. AND most underrated..

[@Starfey]

I take back every negativ comment I made about the pricing. Im pretty impressed by the technik.

[@RestoreTechnique]

😀👍

[@yorgischmorgie8721]

I just seen the description that you used Samsung S22 to record this video. I am impressed at the quality!

[@RestoreTechnique]

😀👍

[@POATAPON3]

Amazing technology

[@TheJohnRowley]

I'm guessing that you had to tear down the OG controller just to show us the comparison between the two triggers, if so I applaud that extra effort sir, thank you!

[@RestoreTechnique]

Thank you for the applause, but I already had a DualSense in pieces for another project I've had on the backburner for a while 😄

[@TheJohnRowley]

​@@RestoreTechnique 😲What could it be?

[@RestoreTechnique]

@@TheJohnRowley 😏

[@MadWinter889]

I'm glad to see hall effects sticks being discussed more, maybe it'll pressure the first party manufacturers to put them in their controllers

[@Blu3ManiC]

It’s to engage the trigger deadzone profiles that you can assign with the trigger stops like the elite controller, can’t do it any other way and they did advertise it.

[@RestoreTechnique]

Ahh, thanks. I was wondering about that. Couldn't find any info on it anywhere.

[@Buddy-sg8hd]

I have a question, I play on pc and I am wondering if I set a trigger deadzone on my controller on the ps5 will it save to the hardware on the controller and transfer to my pc?

[@nayuki2020]

I have replaced the spring on dualsense for at least 10 times. The improved version on DS edge looks promising.

[@RestoreTechnique]

Wow, I knew they were weak, but that's crazy

[@ivanaviNiebla]

@@RestoreTechnique Not necessarily weak, but the way they are assembled puts way too much tension on them. But still, those springs are bad, good thing they are using better ones.

[@carbxn.]

The latest generation regular Dualsense controllers also have the stronger spring

[@RestoreTechnique]

@@carbxn. that's good

[@vitorfernandes651]

I have a launch Dualsense, have never replaced the spring, its been really solid, I am on the fence about the edge because reviews are all over the place, some people have mushy buttons, others the back rubber already falling out, I will wait and see. If it wasnt for the poor battery I would have bought it already.

[@ikon8275]

The original spring was 0.2 mm thick and the new springs are 0.3 mm thick. I really hope they put the better springs in the edge!

[@ikon8275]

Ok, 4:12 answers my question. YUP THEY DID! thicker and more coils! Thank you!

[@RestoreTechnique]

@@ikon8275 😀👍

[@alicecantsleeep]

Sony did NOT advertise ANY hall sensors for this controller. Maybe it offers additional, more accurate tracking of the shoulder button? I'm unsure, but it's confusing why they would go halls on the shoulders but potentiometers on the analogs.... maybe a contract with ALPS or something... Either way, I can't wait to drop some gulikit's into this thing!

[@DavideDavini]

Do you play on PS5? If so, can I ask if you feel like the Edge is more responsive than the normal DualSense? I’m trying to understand if I’m crazy without having to actually run tests. LOL.

[@tranphangialuat9819]

the analogs are replaceable without tearing down the whole controller now, so using hall effects on those analog sticks would be a stupid business strategy since, you know, you can just force them to pay $20 instead of giving a free and permanent solution.

[@Blu3ManiC]

It’s to engage the trigger deadzone profiles that you can assign with the trigger stops like the elite controller, can’t do it any other way and they did advertise it.

[@stuporman]

@@tranphangialuat9819 everyone will just replace them with Gulikit. they dun goofed.

[@Scourge1024]

I hope so but my concern is how the rear buttons attach. I feel a magnetic pull when I get my rear buttons near the hole. I hope that's 1. I'm my head or 2. not strong enough to affect a 3rd party (Gulikit) Hall Effect analog stick.

[@Negachad189]

I have a problem we’re my keeps clicking

[@thedarkside3899]

I hope the spring is really sturdier... Had to replace them in two controllers already. But only on R2

[@Mr_Battlefield]

Your answer is at 4:12

[@az43996]

4:27

[@sebastiangro5652]

I would love to see one, where you disassemble an xbox elite series 2 controller, to compare it to the DS edge one

[@hhnvuokjr634]

Say is it okay to switch between a potentiometer that is on the ps4 and ps5 remote, I just saw that they look the same but a little different in color so I'm not sur if it's the same material

[@RestoreTechnique]

Some are identical, but there are 2 different brands of analog stick that Sony use (ALPS, and Favor Union), and I'm not sure if the potentiometer fits on the other one, they might have a different axle pin. Worth a try though.

[@SolidChamp]

Question for you. Why would the adaptive tension in the right trigger he slightly weaker than in the left? For example, in a game where an effect causes the triggers to tighten up, requiring a stronger trigger pull. The right is slightly weaker than the left. 🤔

[@loredominguez8281]

For some reason my L1 is working but the L2 is not, I already opened it and everything seems to be fine I don’t understand, and they dont sell parts for this damn controller

[@kaiser5284]

SERIOUS QUESTION. I took apart my Edge controller just to get a good understanding of the components inside & put it back together. Now, the L2 is registering as pushed in & L1 isnt activating either as a result. I was very careful & nothing appears damaged. I did however notice that the ribbon cable for the trigger assemblies had a small line (almost like a purposeful indent/scratch) on one connector. This is on the end that connects the module to the main motherboard. I noticed that this was consistent on both trigger assemblies, so I have thus far assumed it is part of the design. Ive cleaned all the assemblies with 70% isopropyl & ensure all connections were secure yet the L2 still registers as stuck. ANY ADVICE OR INSIGHT PLEASE🙏🏽

[@MEXCELLENCE_King9]

Is it a dumb idea to install extreme hairs triggers on the edge or is it better the way it is ?

[@HKT-4300]

With the thicker spring, is the tension on the Edge's triggers higher than on the standard Dualsense? i have a launch one and the triggers already hurt my fingers after a couple hours of play which i've never had happen on any other controller.. Thanks for the teardown!

[@RestoreTechnique]

Maybe. A thicker spring can be tensioned so it flexes back with the same force as the thinner one. But I haven't investigated it.

[@arra4848]

does that mean the shoulder buttons are also better than the regular DS ?

[@RestoreTechnique]

L1 & L2 are the same as Dualsense. L2/R2 are better.

[@ChrisDavis333]

Looks good to me, reaffirmed my purchase.

[@olivierplayer1633]

can you put mouseclick triggers on this ?

[@Techfreak-1]

hello, when my charge 3 battery is dead, the light turns on but it does not connect to the bluethoot. will it be fixed if I change the battery?❤

[@xoalinehue]

I had to tear down my old one to find out that the adaptive trigger on R2 broke after the R2 was loose and stuff

[@John-X]

Bruh they used Hall Effect on the Triggers but not for the Joystick Modules 😂

[@ryan9020]

Please see for the love of Christ, tell me whether or not @ 1:10 the spring that provides resistance to the adaptive trigger is it simply sitting in there or is clipped into the l2/R2 trigger?

[@kogunae]

can u add the extreme mouse click kit to the DS edge triggers and bumpers like the regular dual sense?

[@RestoreTechnique]

I'm not sure

[@garyr5866]

Got my edge yesterday, and although I think it's overpriced it's a great controller.

[@ChapatiMan]

I bet you play Fortnite with it

[@garyr5866]

@@ChapatiMan Never played fortnite in my life. What's up can't you afford one?

[@InTheZone85]

Maybe expensive, but not overpriced

[@garyr5866]

@@InTheZone85 I think all the specialist controllers are overpriced. Imo.

[@InTheZone85]

@@garyr5866 yes, when nearly all 3rd party controllers lack the wireless, rumble, haptic feedback, it becomes overpriced. Compared to the dualsense, prior ps controllers like the ds2 and ds3 look like they should've been $30. The edge is so much more complex and we have a ton of features. Even if the edge was $150 that would be expensive to most, but again well worth it, meaning it's not overpriced.

[@Dekxy1986]

Can you try and put the new spring from DualSense Edge into regular DualSense controller and see if there's any difference XD

[@DavideDavini]

This was pretty cool! Also, it might be because it’s new or straight placebo effect, but I feel like the Edge is more responsive than the normal DualSense. Am I crazy or they made the polling rate higher?

[@richardhunter9779]

Probably not. The DualSense already has a response time of 4ms for the buttons, which is lower than a mouse or most keyboards.

[@MrDardev]

I had the exact same feeling the first time I used it. It just felt way more responsive.

[@SovietN1nja]

@@richardhunter9779 4ms or 250hz is a default polling rate of dualsense, and that's slower than 99% of gaming mouse and keyboards, most use 1000hz polling rate and some models even use 4000hz and 8000hz. So you're wrong, it's still 4 times slower in it's default state, but on PC you can overclock it to 1000hz to get 1ms polling rate.

[@DavideDavini]

@@SovietN1nja with the latest firmware you can up it to 8000Hz, on PC via USB. That is.

[@pataya6475]

Yes it is because of stronger spring :) The standard one is 0,2mm thick , Dualsense Edge has 0,3mm thick springs.

[@roc6d]

Could this part be swapped out in og controller?

[@beastmastreakaninjadar6941]

No.

[@TheAiConqueror]

Hair... nice teardown dude 😜

[@tyisafk]

Sony's cool with using hall effect sensors in their triggers, but god forbid they use them for their sticks, the highest failure rate part in the controller due to potentiometer wear haha

[@RestoreTechnique]

ikr

[@vitorfernandes651]

Of course they would not use it, the whole purpose of this controller is to sell you modules.

[@xoalinehue]

I hate how the bracket that holds the spring BREAKS because of strong adaptive triggers like get a clue I had to buy a new one because of this!!!

[@TLAIG]

Modding this controller must be more complex than a normal dual sense

[@Idontwantahandle1111]

I noticed the different right away. On Horizon Forbidden West when drawing Aloy's bow the motor/gears are MUCH louder and there's a ton of turbulence I didn't get on my other two Dualsense controllers. I'm a little concerned if it is a big enough issue for an RMA or not. I hope it breaks in some.

[@Hello-ig1px]

did it end up breaking?

[@ventusstrife6715]

Hello! I'm thinking of making a mod for edge. But it needs power supply. I think it is a good idea to get power from the cable of the adaptive trigger. Could you tell me which line of the cable is the power supply? Thanks a lot!

[@Mr_Battlefield]

If you're asking a question like that. You might not want to be modding anything.

[@ventusstrife6715]

@@Mr_Battlefield why? I haven’t got my controller yet, but I want to design PCB from now. I don’t want to waste time in waiting for delivery.

[@dreadpointgr96]

when the time comes do a psvr2 teardown

[@pataya6475]

Can you tell me that in Gran Turismo 7 the Dualsense Edge has also Deadzone for L2 and R2 ? I mean the standard one has no settings to adjust for Deadzone L2 R2, but if you put Dualsense Edge L2 and R2 Deadzone to 0, then in the game it would be same as with Standard controller. Also the standard controller with approx 75% push in the game its 100%, so there is huge deadzone in the end also. So do you think settings for Dualsense Edge can solve this problem ?

[@stoneagem]

its strange cause my L2 trigger feels different then my R2 trigger. when you set it in the shortest position the L2 has more of an extra click at the end compared to the R2. is this a mechanical defect? I returned it and the new edge has the same issue

[@xxdestroyerxx1236]

I think it’s normal it’s something to do with the haptic feedback technology combined with the trigger stops

[@Eze_Aj_Steezy]

Im suprised no one has came up with ps5 edge hall effect anolog replacements 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@RestoreTechnique]

I think they just came out this year

[@jsavoni6478]

I'm having issues with my R2 button already.. when I put it on the shortest push, if I apply a tiny bit more pressure it clicks down even more and actually makes a clicking sound.... I'm debating on taking it apart or should I send back to sony?Sony? The controller to me feels much beefier and better quality... although I own 4 PS5 controllers and have 0 issues with the others.

[@ma7thew526]

I'm having the same issue but i've seen people return theirs and get a new one back with the same problem, did you end up opening yours up and fixing it?

[@jsavoni6478]

@@ma7thew526 I opened it up, looked at it, and nothing was broken. It appears the little slider it's on moves on the extra click.... after I opened it and tried to bend it a bit, it seems to have stopped for a short time. After playing a few more weeks it is back. It now does it with the right one as well now as the game I'm playing uses the L2 trigger a lot also.

[@ma7thew526]

@@jsavoni6478 looks like it's just going to happen eventually then so no point in getting a new one. I'd rather it has it on both triggers than just one for that equal feeling haha.

[@jsavoni6478]

@@ma7thew526 yep! It has happened to both my triggers. It kinda sucks, but once both do it, it doesn't seem to bad haha

[@vitorfernandes651]

What does that mean, people say more quality, but never explain, is it better plastics? I am on the fence, not sure if worth the price as my dualsense is already great never had issues. If I have issues with mine I'll keep returning until is perfect. Sorry but a 259 dollars (UK) controller has to be perfect or I don't want it.

[@rogergilmour9612]

Honestly the dualsense Edge is not worth that price with same adaptiv trigger motors and smaller battery, only good thing is replacable analog sticks

[@RestoreTechnique]

Yeah true

[@jonathanwieringa8808]

How can you cut your nails so short without it hurting?

[@Kau001]

but it's a normal length, I have it too

[@RestoreTechnique]

I got this comment on my previous video yesterday: "Awesome video, but maybe clip your nails?" 😂😂😂

[@jonathanwieringa8808]

@@RestoreTechnique heh funny, but how is this short not hurting you. Mine do, nothing towards you

[@Nakuaku]

@@jonathanwieringa8808 Fingernail shouldn't hurt even if you cut them like that.

[@dat-duck9887]

Hair

[@Costinmusca]

Ooooo, Hall effect sensors in the triggers 😯 Hurray! 💪 💪 💪 Fucking FINALLY! SONY started to actually think for a change 🥳 (I could've took actual mouse switches for the short travel though, yes, it's doable by all metrics and considerations.. but I guess I'm stretching it a bit too far for how much can you realistically ask for a first iteration) Back paddles that can be reverse mounted and also the half domes.. AND.. CONVEX/DOMED STICKS.. 🤯 Have I accidentally slipped in a parallel Universe where things actually make sense or what.. 🤔 ? Oh, wait, no.. the battery.. Now we're back to reality.. Still, great feats of logic by SONY.. That's still amazing stuff.

[@BEARDMAN9393]

Face reveal?

[@TheMakerRichards]

Ew I hope not

[@kaylibvielman2761]

l he handsome guy

[@Cybo-Man]

Why? Kind of weird of you to ask

[@RestoreTechnique]

I did a face reveal already, it's only in one video, and I'm not telling which one 😛

[@redi6460]

@@RestoreTechnique body reveal??