DUCATI 450 MX DESMO TEST - ANTONIO CAIROLI & ALESSANDRO LUPINO

[@bulug5421]

La gente che prova a dedurre come sarà la moto da un video di due tester al lavoro due anni abbondanti prima della commercializzazione mi fa impazzire. Ducati ha chiaramente prenotato la pista tutta per sé per questi test, chiedendo che non fosse spianata dal giorno prima: due sole moto non riducono una pista in quel modo. Quindi è ovvio che fosse per testare la ciclistica e le sospensioni in condizioni estreme, e non li vediamo mai tirare al massimo. Quando testano i piloti provano a concentrarsi, uno alla volta, su ogni particolare della moto, per capire se le modifiche che stanno attuando siano valide. Li si può vedere fare curve tutte in piedi, curve cercando la piega estrema, curve a moto dritta sfondando il canale: questo è il lavoro del tester e non ci dà nessuna informazione sulle prestazioni della moto

[@MattiaCarpi]

Be devi essere veramente esperto per aver dedotto che due moto non rovinano così la pista 😂

[@gabrieledellavedova9679]

Ci avevano solo corso gli internazionali d’Italia il giorno prima… LOL

[@andrea949014]

⁠@@gabrieledellavedova9679ero presente alla gara degli internazionali, vedessero in che condizioni hanno corso aspetterebbero qualche secondo in più prima di muovere le dita sulla tastiera. Pensare che due moto soltanto riducano la pista in quelle condizioni è da pazzi 😂 ancora più da pazzi è trarre conclusioni da un test del genere, però vabbè, il mondo è bello perché è vario..

[@perevilavila3216]

A parlato il experto del motocross e la moto🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻😂😂😂

[@andrea949014]

@@perevilavila3216 ma che caz hai scritto?? 🤣

[@Mctyz125M]

This is some raw footage of testing. Can't wait to see it dialed in.

[@motomatt3763]

Don't worry... Looks like they are close... You can tell by the fine and precise adjustments made with the angle grinder....😂😂😂

[@DozerMoto]

Always with the deep tone . Never disappoints . Welcome to the game .

[@johntomasik1555]

...can't wait until it's just the sound of a vacuum cleaner with chain slap and shocks topping out from those electric bikes, eh? LOL!

[@HorsepowerHouse]

Sounds like every other 4-stroke mx bike.

[@MotocrossHideout]

@@HorsepowerHouse I was waiting for a different tone but was surprised that it sounds like other conventional 450s.

[@michaelpandolfi9765]

Now that is what I call a test track there isn't a smooth line on the track filled with ruts awesome job guys. PS, yah definitely didn't make it easy for the test riders. That's how ya test a bike Great job Ducati

[@johntomasik1555]

Pretty obvious Ducati's focus is MXGP and the Euro market. I don't think any track with gate fees in the U.S. aren't groomed anymore.

[@bzs203]

Maybe us Yankees need to test like that because last time I checked, tracks get rough as the day goes on. Plus it is fun to ride in those conditions, not race though.

[@danielreynolds9940]

The bike looks uncomfortable in those conditions

[@Ccristoff]

Its clear to me that ducati is making a bike for the faster riders, I don’t even think thats a question, in fact i wouldn’t be surprised if it has the strongest numbers on the dyno when it comes out

[@Mi-Chis]

In my experience, that’s just how the average European track looks… not a bad thing, just different…

[@therawlifefamily]

that's the gnarliest track I think i've ever seen.

[@spacejaime]

I was going to comment about that. They need to plow it to smooth it for testing at higher speeds. It's so gnarly, Cairoli and Lupino have to go slow.

[@Ranger_Dog311]

get arm pump just watching 😂

[@spacejaime]

@@Ranger_Dog311 - 😂😂

[@SgtSyphilis69]

I was also gonna comment how rough it is.

[@lvhuis]

Thats europe

[@mikehudg2209]

Awesome testing footage- very exciting to see the Ducati team program continue - amazing

[@rickydlayaute5387]

Italiani bravo!!! Capables de fabriquer une moto de A a Z !!! After Triumph, MX world will be amazing next years!!!👍😎🇫🇷🏁

[@holeshotinspectionllc2412]

They should adopt the CRF front fender shown here instead of the giant shovel they had at the release, huge spot for mud to build up in my opinion. Bike looks fast i'm a 450 rider, and it looked good to me, all these comments on here have clearly never riden a track in these conditions, clearly a chassis test. Ducati engineers aren't stupid, bike will more than likely be an awesome machine, I only worry about the $$$ tag. Appreciate the content🏁🤙

[@MattiaCarpi]

Thank you! I agree with you. From the middle to the top the engine looks really fast

[@motomatt3763]

Yes... Might as well add the CRF plastics to match the CRF frame and suspension...😂

[@anthonyantoine9232]

The number plate is from a CRF too lol. Shrouds look vaguely hondaish as well, but they're not straight from a CRF. I'm actually hoping they stick with the unique look that was in the reveal rather than going with a more milquetoast design like this.

[@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443]

It'll be another $13,500 bike that'll cost you $8K when the engine goes.

[@williamquiap8444]

Maybe toni wants to race a honda back then..

[@corradotartacca554]

Finalmente un video dove si vedono le potenzialità della moto ,su una vera pista da mondiale .😅

[@raymondsiewert2720]

One heck of a test track !😮

[@Dre-p4C]

I just realised it's a race track in the mxgp schedule Mantova

[@angelovanin1649]

La pista era in condizioni terribili. Essendo un prototipo è normale che ci sia molto lavoro da fare e tanto materiale da testare. Sono delle moto laboratorio come si può vedere dal video e quindi non si può di certo pretendere che il livello sia già a quello delle concorrenti. In Ducati non sono degli sprovveduti e non sono entrati nel motocross per fare numero. Con la loro esperienza Cairoli e Lupino faranno sicuramente crescere la moto ed a mio parere se ne vedranno della belle. Per chi dice che la moto non gira, Cairoli fa fatica ecc. dico solo di provare a prendere una moto da cross e girare in una pista così martoriata, giusto per rendersi conto. Comunque gran bel video e forza DUCATI💪💪💪💥

[@MattiaCarpi]

Grazie, finalmente un commento sensato!

[@stefanov3295]

Mi associo👍💪

[@ClassicCyclingCC]

What a great track! Welcome to motocross Ducati and Hello from New York!

[@angel387mx]

Complimenti per il video! Pista VERAMENTE demolita, non so come solo GUARDANDO un video si possa emettere un giudizio sulla ciclistica, solo chi c'è sopra potrà. Riguardo alla storia che sia una Honda, se davvero il telaio definitivo sarà circa come quello della presentazione, cioè da fusione, possiamo dire che si tratta di un altro mondo. Sono fiducioso.

[@FaithandActiondotnet]

Man they sound sooo good!

[@nicholascanjura5051]

Ducati, TM and Beta, and fantic are the best 4 italian dirt bike manufacture brands ever

[@mozer30]

Arguably, some of the fantics are just rebranded Yamaha’s with a few bolt-ons.

[@elball5661]

THe old Italian Husky''s were pretty good.

[@panterone1769]

Fantic credo non abbia mai corso nel cross, si dedicavano alla regolarità e poi al trial. Se poi qualcuno trasformava il 50cc regolarità in cross non lo so.

[@bennyhandsome7530]

Sounds beautiful

[@mguarin912]

Sounds excellent. I think I can hear the desmo exhaust note.

[@Ciandler55]

Ma non si giudica una moto solo perché ha un bel suono dello scarico la moto deve essere competitiva, stabile ,intuitiva, facile da guidare, è una moto da competizione nata per vincere non da mandare a San Remo il festival della canzone......

[@supremaziaitaliana7018]

è ovvio da quello che si può giudicare è il suono possente del motore che denota certamente molta potenza come da tradizione Ducati ..........il resto lo vedremo @@Ciandler55

[@Ciandler55]

@@supremaziaitaliana7018 La differenza di potenza tra un 450 ufficiale e di serie è pressoché identica ,differenza sostanziale e che l ufficiale è molto più fluido molto più facile da guidare non stancante, ma questo ci pensa l elettronica,i cerchi più leggeri e resistenti e soprattutto le sospensioni quelle fanno l'enorme differenza,secondo me questo tipo di motore dal grande ingombro può essere usato nel supermotard.Speriamo non sia la moto di serie altrimenti farà la fine dell Aprilia 450 bicilindrica.

[@Ciandler55]

@@supremaziaitaliana7018 Scusami ma quale tradizione ducati mai fatto motocross,la strada è un altro pianeta totalmente differente.

[@piidjiGR.]

​@@Ciandler55 io ricordo un 125 da cross niente male.

[@MXRiderFiftyTwo]

If my memory serves me correctly, I remember Josh Coppins riding for Aprilia developing their prototype MX bike

[@kommerzplus9752]

Bravissimi, e bel video. E come non apprezzare i ritocchi col flessibile, grandioso!

[@MattiaCarpi]

Grazie!

[@eloydanielgalvez7373]

Otra más para elegir.Brabo por Ducati!🎉el circuito en su mejor estado

[@connorbarnes5545]

Love all these new manufactures coming into the moto game (Ducati, Triumph, Beta). Gonna give riders more opportunity to get factory rides and make the racing better for all us moto heads around the world. 🤘

[@panterone1769]

Beta è più di 40 anni che corre e vende moto da fuoristrada

[@connorbarnes5545]

@@panterone1769 yes, but they are just now getting into motocross and supercross (supercross more specifically).

[@Anii6969]

Thing sounds really good. Deep 450 sound might be the best sounding 450

[@johntomasik1555]

Justin Barcia just took his shirt off....

[@sendaaja8809]

This is what a proper European motocross track looks like, gnarly as hell. Loving the bike so far as well, looks really unique and sounds great.

[@HorsepowerHouse]

Proper, meaning awful for a regular person to enjoy. 👎

[@mariussantha3029]

​@@HorsepowerHousea regular guy will do great there after a couple of hours! Don't talk yourself down!

[@HorsepowerHouse]

@@mariussantha3029 No. Regular guys want to have fun. Period.

[@mariussantha3029]

@@HorsepowerHouse I am a regular guy, started riding when in my late 30 and now early 50. I enjoy all kinds of tracks. It's just good practice

[@bzs203]

to race on a track like that is no fun since our skills are not up to it, to practice and just ride it it is a lot of fun.

[@kochj0713]

That track is in pretty rough shape. I agree definitely a chassis test.

[@kevinsnow9157]

Sounds AMAZING and looks fast as hell !!!

[@marclarden]

Sounds the same as any other 4 Banger! At what point in the video did they look fast as hell?😂😂

[@FaithandActiondotnet]

They sound like the king of the jungle!

[@andymorgan385]

Sounds like any other crappy 4 stroke

[@ottokirk2325]

You have described my '24 300SX. Magical...

[@HorsepowerHouse]

​@@andymorgan385sounds exactly like every other. I have no idea why some people think it's any different. 🤷

[@Leland387]

Holy cow that's a rough track

[@MattiaCarpi]

Europen style

[@dustedstar5158]

There was an international race their last weekend

[@Leland387]

​@@MattiaCarpiI've always said that's what makes euros so talented they have to learn how to ride someone smooth on that how the Americans attack the track they won't last a full moto. Vialle, roczen, musquin, hunter, Prado, Dylan, friese😂😂😂😂😂 jk but but they all have a different flow.

[@petrus7229]

Ottimo report 😊

[@MattiaCarpi]

Grazie

[@AlbertoD76]

La molata di flessibile ha un qualcosa di magico.

[@MrmaxDemad]

2 strokes by Ducati will be wild!

[@KN-lq4zv]

I’m buying one. They are going to be great

[@andreafelicetti2320]

Bellissimo video...la moto si vede che ha un bel potenziale....la pista era da sistemare un pochino.....bello vedere il CIABATTI con il sorriso soddisfacente

[@n1k0n_]

Sounds like a 450 from 10 years ago

[@MattiaCarpi]

The one with the Akrapovic sounds good

[@Iggy900ss]

Grazie Mattia!

[@MattiaCarpi]

Grazie! 💪🏻

[@motoadvisor2697]

Non vedo l'ora di vederla coi cerchi da motard e le cannucce sui raggi 💣💣

[@ernestolombardo8361]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jkell411]

They are fire-breathing monsters... How do they handle though? Funny to see the grinding wheel out, too. Reminds me of the old days of the 70's where that was a regular thing.

[@holeshotinspectionllc2412]

Sharped the footpegs, deep nasty track like that you don't want your feet ripped off in the deep stuff.🏁🤙

[@Adjust-Fire-jy3dy]

I was just thinking, it looks like the bike is a handful. Maybe handling issues?

[@ogasi1798]

this is what development looks like in reality - tough track, bike less than dialled, looks like there is a long road ahead

[@stkyfngrszmooth]

This reminds me back in, I want to say 1988 when Hannah asked the Southwick crew if they would leave the track all roughed up from the race one week prior to the national instead of bulldozing flat. Hannah loved Southwick, and he loved rough tracks because he knew the competition couldn't handle it like he could. Most riders would get tired and fold up when Hannah would only get faster the rougher things became.

[@MrMoto289]

Looks like the suspension needs to be softened up, and slow the rebound down.

[@kenwheeler5837]

sure thing 😂

[@MrMoto289]

@@kenwheeler5837 oh you sound but hurt or something? Are you one of the bike engineers? Do you ride ?

[@Dtractor]

I like that you're trying to tell the 9 time world champ how to set up his bike. 😂

[@grizzladams]

They sound great

[@jacobbernier2482]

That track in gnarly!👊🏽✊🏽

[@jacobbernier2482]

@Mattia_Carpi Unfortunately we would have to be on here

[@dotdots2660]

I can’t stop seeing a Honda

[@MattiaCarpi]

On the test bike the plastics are the same of the CRF

[@nxtlvlpup38]

Top end of the motor looks like a Honda Plastics Honda

[@dotdots2660]

@@MattiaCarpi did they do that to trick us?

[@dotdots2660]

Also I prefer the more traditional fender

[@marclarden]

​@@MattiaCarpiThey are Nothing like Honda's plastics LMAO. Honda also doesn't have the rear silencer exposed like all the European bikes do so you can scratch & dent them up easily!

[@E63s_Scott]

Is lupino riding a Honda ? The difference in the how the 2 bikes look and react is astronomically different. Looks like a bit of a handful even for cairoli! I know it’s early development! Interesting to see the end result

[@MattiaCarpi]

I believe from what I’ve seen that the two bikes were pretty different. They also have two Crfs but they aren’t in this video

[@corradomercandino9874]

Cairoli ha sempre una classe inarrivabile....più che un pilota é un ballerino....

[@mikeburton9619]

Its about time!!!😄😄😄

[@justjesse16]

that bike is crispy

[@xn--g5h6690ovb]

So sick dude. Love the look of the black plastics, but I'm assuming it's just a placeholder while the bike is under development.

[@johntomasik1555]

First, I gotta say I LOVE that track. I live about 3 miles from Thunder Valley, and the constant grooming of that track with its sculpted jumps that are either WFO or roll them absolutely sucks. Leave it like this 5:28 Anyways....haven't followed their desmo system performance differences over the years (remember when it was first talked about ages ago), but it'd be interesting to see their power/torque curves and also info on weight differences compared to spring systems as well as the bike's rotational moment compared to others.

[@Efemedio1]

Hey there fellow Coloradian!

[@panterone1769]

Il desmo può girare più alto delle valvole a molle, per competerci contro bisogna usare motori con le valvole pneumatiche che però sono difficilmente commercializzabili.

[@gianmarcopiermaria4295]

Come cantano 😍✊🏻✊🏻

[@alessandrogirardi36]

Premetto che non ho idea se abbiano cercato il giro veloce…però sarebbe stato interessante provare a confrontare i tempi di ieri agli internazionali d’Italia con i loro tempi…per il resto grande tempestività nel pubblicare un video molto aspettato

[@MattiaCarpi]

Grazie! Si, a fine giornata hanno provato a fare qualche giro tirato. I tempi, secondo me, non erano confrontabili visto che la pista è stata sistemata in qualche punto!

[@justadam1917]

When the flag drops drops At least Triumph for brave enough to enter their 250 in the Supercross That went very well up against the best in the world

[@anssihiironen4943]

Pretty strong sounding engine👍😎🥳

[@lvhuis]

Love how all the American's are like "damn that track is unrideable" 90% of the tracks over here are like that haha

[@MattiaCarpi]

True😂

[@andreaval5609]

Uno dei due piloti ha un gran talento per far andar forte una moto che è ben distante dall'essere a posto...tc222.

[@MattiaCarpi]

Anche Lupino non è l’ultimo arrivato, anzi! È un ottimo pilota!

[@andreaval5609]

@@MattiaCarpi un ottimo pilota...poi ci sono quelli che vincono 9 mondiali e si vede

[@Ccrider363]

Ducati should let the 222 do some testing in the ama National series this summer!

[@SgtSyphilis69]

You got some rough tracks across the pond.

[@davidfarrez1689]

Je savais pas que Ducati faisait d motos de cross c la première fois que vois çà et g l'impression que ça a l'air d'être d bonnes motos de cross qui ont l'air plutôt efficaces.! 👍

[@panterone1769]

Sono un prototipo alla prime prove, entrerà in produzione probabilmente nel 2025 se sarà competitiva

[@mxmartina8538]

Bel video

[@MattiaCarpi]

Grazie!

[@Joemama-crzy]

Glad the fenders don’t look like batmans car fenders

[@MattiaCarpi]

These are just test bikes with CRF plastics on

[@FeelGood_Films]

The one they showed looked like Owen Wilson

[@mxexplorer8766]

Che belle Ducati. Dal motore si capisce che va su di giri fino al limitatore con una velocità assurda, probabilmente il sistema desmo ha questo vantaggio, meno resistenza nella rotazione degli alberi a cam. Suspensioni probabilmente hanno bisogno di qualche aggiornamento per questo terreno, sembrano molto rigide nella compressione veloce, principale il posteriore. Ma sono sicuro che questa non sarà una 450 entry level, questta dovra essere una 450 per piloti expert. Con ingegneria Italiana e piloti di test italiani, si puo aspettare una vera hardcore.🎉

[@John637]

Sounds like a freer revving engine, probably wouldn’t have as much engine breaking I’d assume with not having valve springs, might be why you can hear the chain slapping a whole lot with less tension on it

[@zackk695]

I also like that the bike is loud and keep that but the sound is still off. Work on that pipe and make this bike sound like it’s as fast as a jet. The sound is very important for sales

[@brianmerrill1227]

Who we sign. ET3 and Deegs?

[@MattiaCarpi]

Somebody said KR

[@carloscastillom.866]

Suena muy bien el motor, el Sonido del desmo se siente igual que las en bicilindricas de ducati.

[@marcoderosso5441]

❤️ top. Win ❤

[@filippochiarenza2696]

Si sente uno strano e forte rumore di tintinnio, sarà la trasmissione finale, o cos'altro? O forse c'è la sorpresa!?

[@peanutjellyman]

what was they doing with grinder geez

[@marclarden]

Does the angle grinder come with the bike in the Spares kit. WTF?😂😂 Banging the front plate, taking an angle grinder to a brand new bike. I think I'll pass on buying one!

[@peanutjellyman]

@@marclarden 😂

[@Ranger_Dog311]

grinding off the honda badges 🤣

[@panterone1769]

Che rumore fantastico

[@robertkatzenmeier6]

I see it from here: Too much power!

[@sylvainlavergne1932]

Did you see the the real CRF on the left at the start of the vidéo ? ( with the same black racetech plastics). They can compare the Ducati to this and improve.

[@nik8790]

Che bel sound..

[@utahexplor]

Did they ever get out of second gear?

[@djmiller5563]

So this test happened on 12/2/2024...a peak into the future..?

[@chelohmh]

Italian content. First the numer of the day. 12, second the month and then the year.

[@koolgbe]

Americans☕

[@WildstyleRC]

That second map!!

[@bluewatercruiser]

Dude, that looks schmick!! Deegan would look awesome on one 😜Still some work but these boys will be pulling in that much data it’s not funny… I’m thinking she will be dialled with loads of gnarly electronics! 🎉 All the specs are out now too I think?

[@georgelynch6139]

Who’s Deegan?

[@bluewatercruiser]

lol I’m sure you know who he is!

[@michaelmoston1659]

Tuff conditions, good for testing 😂❤

[@TooStoned1966]

Is it me, or does it sound "different" (not necessarily bad)... at Idle and at speed?

[@wenke29]

will they have a 250 ?

[@snowzZzZz]

i mean, when people comment that x bike is just a copy of y bike, but with different colours, aren't they all just minor variations of each other? The process of refinement always leads to the same thing, cars are no exception. Your wallet will know the difference as a casual, and you will feel the difference between all of them as a pro.

[@raymondsiewert2720]

Seems like it revs really fast for a 450. Not much flywheel weight !

[@francogoi7178]

Grande Tonino

[@chrisjacksondrift]

Is this track magiora?

[@MattiaCarpi]

No, it’s Mantova

[@chrisjacksondrift]

Ahh that’s what I ment ! Epic

[@Ritter32]

Um verdadeiro tanque de guerra másculo.

[@Mr257weatherby]

One thing I heard was all the chain slap on the swing arm. My KX250F is the same way. Drives me nuts. Does it no matter how I set the tension. Of course the harder it is ridden the less it does it. Guess I need to speed up.

[@rzaultra165]

What regulations have changed in motocross so that this bike can compete?

[@petrosbogdanos1820]

Go Champs Go !

[@antnmrtn]

❤😊

[@EfryRestu]

Body sames crf???

[@hondaman3317]

That track is beat

[@xtra-air]

Sound great! Although it looks like the bike has a way to go to get dialed in.

[@dc_5sauce]

What's up with all the chatter from the shock linkage? Suspension looks terrible and the front/ rear fenders need a better design. I wonder how this bike is going to stack up against the other bikes.

[@ivanmanuele2542]

Pista di mantova ???

[@MattiaCarpi]

Si!

[@ivanmanuele2542]

Bellissima quella pista!! Misto sabbione!!! Certe lucidate di cerchi 😂😂😂

[@eliamaddinelli552]

Deduco che, vedendo il tecnico con il flessibile in mano, anche in ducati utilizzano le famose tecnologie OBC!!

[@MattiaCarpi]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@andreaval5609]

Corrado Maddii altro che semplice tecnico ducati

[@fornatracing984]

Hey stradista, con tutto il rispetto sciacquati la bocca quando parli di Corrado maddii! Ha avuto più campioni lui sotto le mani che nemmeno te lo immagini!

[@antoniorizzikxf104]

Non capisco la scelta di montare le Plastiche crf 🤔 comunque la pista è veramente difficile si vede! E si nota anche che cairoli è concentrato nel testare, anziché cercare di fare giri veloci.

[@PONO-go3ee]

Great Test , No Grooming of the track It's Ruff. And Beat Up 🤣😬Really test that Bike

[@robertovanzella6134]

Che cos'era che sbachettava ?

[@sissywalker1955]

I love that they're testing on some rutted up peice of dirt rather than some who would be on perfectly groomed soil? (Ricky on his Triumph)lol!

[@DisasterTheoryX]

You see how this track is utterly destroyed? THAT is why they beat us.

[@paulpaul5606]

I’m from the UK, I thought the trap look prime

[@HowThingsAreaaa]

Thats normal here in europe… my home track gets made every 2 months at most

[@krazed0451]

What does it do differently than any other 450?

[@therealslimshady4555]

Costs twice a much for a rebuild.

[@krazed0451]

@@therealslimshady4555 😂

[@panterone1769]

Aspetta lo sviluppo, poi schiatterai dall'invidia. Noi lo facciamo meglio.

[@emmanpan17]

The Bike sounds deep

[@ClaudioCapiani]

Tra 5 settimane ci sarà il debutto in gara, proprio a Mantova