Ducati Panigale V4 S | Long term update | Motorcyclenews.com

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6 жыл бұрын
In the Title: Long Term Update In the Video: "I've just got it" and "Only done 400 miles on this bike"
@vali69
@vali69 5 жыл бұрын
Time awareness 100
@alexmiller8838
@alexmiller8838 6 жыл бұрын
Dayum! from Senior road tester to Chief road tester! Btw the best road tester here on KZbin.
@Ro-mm6tq
@Ro-mm6tq 6 жыл бұрын
Remembering just how advanced all the current range of Superbikes is, anyone wanting a good machine is spoilt for choice. All brilliant compared to only 5 years ago and those machines were fab. Progress beyond what most can exploit. MCN, I recall delivering a copy on my paper round back in the 1970s when MCN was nearly no more. Thank goodness MCN progressed to where they are today.
@opmike343
@opmike343 6 жыл бұрын
Neevey, you're the best thing about MCN channel. We really appreciate you :)
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words.Happy riding!
@Pintuuuxo
@Pintuuuxo 6 жыл бұрын
Nice comments from Michael as always. What a bike! Hope to hear some more news from this bike soon. Ride safe.
@nevden730
@nevden730 6 жыл бұрын
Great early review as usual. Looking forward to see she goes on your forthcoming tours.
@nortondlcl
@nortondlcl 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honesty about problems
@massi888
@massi888 6 жыл бұрын
thank you for your video. always very good. I also broke the rear mirror (2 times) I think it is a design fault (you can see that the bottom plastic ends right before the beginning of the mirror, making it very weak), I mounted a barracuda D-version but I had to adapt it because the holes were not matching.
@mattmcalister1915
@mattmcalister1915 6 жыл бұрын
See one of these riding around towcester basically everyday. Very pretty bit of kit. Surprisingly small bike in person,
@threethrushes
@threethrushes 6 жыл бұрын
Good honest review, keep it up MCN.
@wildsic
@wildsic 6 жыл бұрын
Italian soul on the world streets.
@nathanf3230
@nathanf3230 6 жыл бұрын
Nice to read its friendlier on the road than the older twin. Its still doesn't make sense to ride on the road though. Surly a Super naked would make more sense ? Tuono? That way you still get your V4. Better sounding as well.
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Nathan F yep, Tuono is the better road bike, but the V4 comes into its own on track.
@Hacimoto
@Hacimoto 6 жыл бұрын
Its all about the bushes...
@cameron5543
@cameron5543 6 жыл бұрын
My good, the r1m had this in 2015 6 axis imu!
@streethawk_1617
@streethawk_1617 6 жыл бұрын
where is the superbike shootout you mentioned cant see anything on youtube or MCN.com !
@baraky0
@baraky0 6 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing, guess it s only in the magazine.
@Smexy_af
@Smexy_af 6 жыл бұрын
I thought that this thing does 200 mph but why doesn't it?
@andrewford80
@andrewford80 6 жыл бұрын
wind resistance
@robmotown1
@robmotown1 5 жыл бұрын
How tall are???? Just wondering because I'm 6'4 and would love to own a v4 but not sure if I would fit???
@wi1lis
@wi1lis 6 жыл бұрын
What riding jeans are you wearing in the vid? Cheers
@gogoo3192
@gogoo3192 6 жыл бұрын
make a comparison video versus the hp4.
@cedo83
@cedo83 6 жыл бұрын
Neevsy, When you are planning to come to Croatia? We have Ducati days on Grobnik race track (new surface) on 9-10th of June. Interested?
@DonnieDesmo
@DonnieDesmo 6 жыл бұрын
So the old v-twin felt like a race bike with headlights, whereas this one feels more road-based? Not sure if I like that... I still prefer the classic 998 over the V2 Panigale. And riding the 998 was like doing push-ups on a board of wood nailed to the asphalt.
@TheRossafumi
@TheRossafumi 6 жыл бұрын
That's stunning looking
@Arunweb100
@Arunweb100 6 жыл бұрын
It looked stunning at the 'ring last week. Spotted it at Pistenklause and at the DN trackday with your good self. Respect for riding that across. Tank range would really bug me!
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Arunweb100 thanks. Actually, now I’ve done more long distance miles it comes on between 120-140, which isn’t as bad as thrashing it on country roads...
@XenoRacing
@XenoRacing 6 жыл бұрын
I wish Ducati would do a 400SS revival.
@sickleharvestsleeks
@sickleharvestsleeks 6 жыл бұрын
Xénos Polemistí̱s evo is good bro
@sickleharvestsleeks
@sickleharvestsleeks 6 жыл бұрын
Do you guys have issue with V4S? Engine sometime cuts off even I am on 2nd gear rolling at 20km/h
@daisukeikeda4491
@daisukeikeda4491 6 жыл бұрын
RSV4 FTW!
@muhammdwaheed8651
@muhammdwaheed8651 6 жыл бұрын
They just wana crew u over Spend 24k on bike then more then 3k on akrapovic Honestly 2018 r1 is d best option
@muhammdwaheed8651
@muhammdwaheed8651 6 жыл бұрын
Idn normal guy got heart to take this bike on track days wat if they crash ur done better buy new1 lol
@Motofreebird
@Motofreebird 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this - succinct and informative! BTW, may I ask what riding jeans those are you pull up on in the oprning?? Cheers!
@karlfontanari2169
@karlfontanari2169 6 жыл бұрын
Great bike, lucky man..
@hughjohnston
@hughjohnston 6 жыл бұрын
80 or 90 miles isn't range friendly but how are your wrists after a 4 hour ride ?
@Justwanthavefun_100
@Justwanthavefun_100 6 жыл бұрын
I will wait for the Gen2 V4s in Ducati Pearlescent white
@T0BBi94
@T0BBi94 6 жыл бұрын
0:28 Made me realise that you probably get free parking everywhere with the V4 because it looks like an art piece. Damn that bike is sexy!
@JavierHernandez-zv4of
@JavierHernandez-zv4of 6 жыл бұрын
T0BBi94 see nothing special about it tbh other than the preformance
@SladeRenegade
@SladeRenegade 6 жыл бұрын
Wait did he say the fuel light comes on after 80 or 90 miles....
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Slade Renegade actually, now I’ve done more long distance miles it comes on between 120-140, which isn’t as bad as thrashing it on country roads...
@joeridestrijcker445
@joeridestrijcker445 6 жыл бұрын
my Tuono V4 on the road is even worse... if I get 150km out of a full tank, I'm extremely surprised; strange thing is, that it's actually quite good at the track, consumption wise. Last track day I filled up in the morning and did 140km (nearly full day) with a tank... onboard computer gave an avg cons of 6.7l/100km, which is peanuts at the track; perhaps it just means I need to ride faster............
@gelul12
@gelul12 6 жыл бұрын
My 848 did 90kms When trashing it around Ducati aint made for travelling
@balloakz9857
@balloakz9857 6 жыл бұрын
All this, but, the million dollar question is:- does it come with the Alt-Ctrl-Delete function?
@mikenicholls3377
@mikenicholls3377 6 жыл бұрын
What helmet is he using in this video?
@kdz666
@kdz666 6 жыл бұрын
MCN - Motorcyclenews.com - what date do you plan to be at the Nurburgring?
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
I've already been, matey. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZaqfZqdf8yLf7M
@problemslayer3538
@problemslayer3538 6 жыл бұрын
I think Neevesey has a soft spot for Ducati’s 😁 can’t blame him
@calumatterwill2908
@calumatterwill2908 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael,great review.ive just ordered mine but don’t want to spend the extra 3k on the akrapovic.does the stock sound any good?
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Calum Atterwill yep, it’s plenty loud enough in standard trim!
@allenglishknives6823
@allenglishknives6823 6 жыл бұрын
You’re a very lucky man 😁👍🏻
@captcha95
@captcha95 6 жыл бұрын
When are you comming to Croatia? To Grobnik? Ducati Days on 9.6.?
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
captcha we’re coming over early September. Staying in Rijeka and Split.
@rudebwoy8
@rudebwoy8 6 жыл бұрын
Neevesy, what armoured jeans are they that you’re wearing?
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Jay C Astars Duple Denim
@rudebwoy8
@rudebwoy8 6 жыл бұрын
neevesybikes cheers Geezaaaaa!
@Sooopa_Doopa
@Sooopa_Doopa 6 жыл бұрын
What brand of riding jeans is Michael wearing? They look pretty cool
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
soopa doopa Astars Duple Denim jeans.
@sk2283
@sk2283 6 жыл бұрын
lucky man ! you must have been made up when they gave you the keys, you have always been a Ducati fan - can I have it in October when you are done ?
@BMWF900R
@BMWF900R 6 жыл бұрын
Hi. I can't find your group test were is it ? Also when new bmw s1000rr come out
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Subar it was in MCN in February. New Beemer our next year.
@TheKingKeyz
@TheKingKeyz 6 жыл бұрын
What riding boots and Jean's did you have on In this video?
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Keyon Aigle Astars Duple Denim jeans and Faster 2 shoes.
@raywite6665
@raywite6665 6 жыл бұрын
What a lovely machine, however I'd have to settle for an R1 due to price.
@Dfm_Sushil
@Dfm_Sushil 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome bike 🏍❤️
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 6 жыл бұрын
...btw great job with the tail tidy. Definitely makes up for the destroyed cowl.
@Joric78
@Joric78 6 жыл бұрын
I realise mileage isn't really a consideration on a bike like this, but 80-90 miles before needing to refuel is a real hassle for road riding. Seems odd that they'd drop the tank capacity by 1L if that's the case. How many litres left in the tank when the light comes on?
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Joric78 actually, now I’ve done more long distance miles it comes on between 120-140, which isn’t as bad as thrashing it on country roads...
@Nekminute
@Nekminute 6 жыл бұрын
Good luck keeping it safe round London ^^
@JaretCampisi
@JaretCampisi 6 жыл бұрын
I heard you mention this bike won your superbike shoot out but I couldn't find a video on your channel? I've been really looking forward to watching that video so if it is out please let me know!
@Supernova12034
@Supernova12034 6 жыл бұрын
they removed it and are doing all the shots in bikinis.
@7upincider123
@7upincider123 6 жыл бұрын
mankinis*
@obsedatr6
@obsedatr6 6 жыл бұрын
Supernova12034 I laughed so hard!!! Great one mate!!!
@valebliz
@valebliz 6 жыл бұрын
Rofl Supernova12034 this killed me
@SuperSelby1
@SuperSelby1 6 жыл бұрын
In my next life I want to be a Michael Neeves.
@MiggyandElla
@MiggyandElla 6 жыл бұрын
First! love ducati bikes
@jamsxr
@jamsxr 6 жыл бұрын
Ducati, please Streetfighter 🙏
@nfareview
@nfareview 6 жыл бұрын
This
@driffbro3380
@driffbro3380 6 жыл бұрын
Jim 86 yeah, I think they should take the 1299, tune the engine for low-end torque, strip it and put a handlebar on it.. just like what KTM did with the 1290 duke..
@jamsxr
@jamsxr 6 жыл бұрын
Read more agreed, I was hoping for the V4 but after hearing it I think I would take the 1299.
@GaryJohnWalker1
@GaryJohnWalker1 6 жыл бұрын
(The bike) looks gorgeous. But more Japanese than Italian, imo. Have you done that mcn 250 mile circuit on this? And why aren't the 250 mile tests posted as videos? That Goldwing test in today's mcn would be even better with a 5 minute youtube summary.
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Gary Walker thanks Gary. Good idea, but lack of time and resources, unfortunately.
@mhyl02
@mhyl02 6 жыл бұрын
0:50 but it is not a 1000 cc bike .... (I'll help you out here, it is actually 1103 cc)
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
mhyl02 thanks for your help!
@mhyl02
@mhyl02 6 жыл бұрын
You are welcome :) My point is, that it feels like giving Ducati an unfair advantage comparing it to the 1000 cc class. This is nothing against MCN, more against Ducati for making it 1100 cc, just be more powerful than the rest. Seems like an easy (and italian) way out.
@ra28cer
@ra28cer 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. My bush also broke mine... She did say she was sorry and will get me a new one.. ;p .
@akshayrajivale9344
@akshayrajivale9344 6 жыл бұрын
Please make this as a race spec bike🙏
@flyaroundyourfire
@flyaroundyourfire 6 жыл бұрын
What boots do you have IN under the jeans?
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
thephilosopherslegacy Astars Faster 2.
@darrylcliff5810
@darrylcliff5810 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe not my bush.. 😂😂
@ryanh5712
@ryanh5712 6 жыл бұрын
@2:42 what is he saying?! "It feels really like a race bike with, lights. Where as this feels more road based."??????????????????????????
@gelul12
@gelul12 6 жыл бұрын
Its a race bike first. stop complaining about the fuel range People.
@Atlas_FPV
@Atlas_FPV 6 жыл бұрын
Still sounds like a diesel generator though =\
@ricardorodrigues3508
@ricardorodrigues3508 6 жыл бұрын
Aprillia rsv4 sounds so much better, and im a ducati owner and fan
@kawicepticon8866
@kawicepticon8866 6 жыл бұрын
with an exhaust its amazing
@abobobilly
@abobobilly 6 жыл бұрын
I know right ? And people called me crazy when I said that RSV4 or even Yamahas Crossplane Inline 4 sounds waayy better, punchier and has a beautiful time over each spread of RPMs. This thing sounds like a Glorified scooter. And I'm amazed that this V4 pretty much gives a sound profile similar to Ducati V2 engines.
@DarwinAllen
@DarwinAllen 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm not a huge fan of the sound either but I love the bike so much I bought one anyways :P. But yeah, even as a Ducati owner and lover, this definitely isn't the greatest sounding bike by a long shot. I did hear one with an exhaust on it in person though and that sounded pretty dope. Not as good as the RSV4 or even the R1, but a lot cooler than the usual i4 bikes.
@abobobilly
@abobobilly 6 жыл бұрын
Hehe. Yea i get it. It's pretty as f*ck. Eyegasm, pure.
@PropsandWings
@PropsandWings 6 жыл бұрын
Preferred the looks of the 1299 more. Saw one of these in a dealer showroom and wasn't thrilled about fit and finish. For a bike approaching the $30k USD it should look as good as it performs, not to mention a mechanically noisy engine is a turn off.
@V4evocom
@V4evocom 6 жыл бұрын
nice !!
@kymtaylor5433
@kymtaylor5433 6 жыл бұрын
What's it going to cost to do the valve shimming? Do you have to remove the engine to access the rear cyl valves? I believe the sensors on some bikes are already causing limp home mode operation. Time will tell I guess. With all the computerised gadgets , don't wear your nylon underwear one static discharge might fry something :) Nice bike tho
@makimaki7664
@makimaki7664 6 жыл бұрын
Coming to Croatia to grobnik track days 💪😈💪 Welcome,and have a nice ride in our country with most beutifel girls in europe best see and great food... Enjoy!!!
@lknanml
@lknanml 6 жыл бұрын
Love then Ducs. I have split my time between a 996 and 900ssie since 09. Nice to see a V4 with an attainable price range. Love everything but the exposed upper frame. Just doesn't fit in and stands out detracting from the overall look. I see many a carbon fiber cover popping up online over the next year. Had that been under the bodywork it would have been a perfect looking new model launch.
@McobraR
@McobraR 6 жыл бұрын
Wow first review claiming more low down than a, I'm assuming, 1299. Interesting.
@prabhugautham
@prabhugautham 6 жыл бұрын
Sexy bike and brute too. Nice review I enjoyed it.
@cutdepiefails6596
@cutdepiefails6596 6 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they made the v4 and s biposto? fkkk
@ExProsiveGaming
@ExProsiveGaming 6 жыл бұрын
LONG TERM UPDATE - I've just got it, only done 400 miles on this bike. What the hell?
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
ExProsiveGaming kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWXYg6OZn9mYmdk
@milanpintar
@milanpintar 6 жыл бұрын
Croatia !!!
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 6 жыл бұрын
Also the short range can be useful to defeat thieves :) they won't get very far on a bike with a 100 mile range/ tank lol
@Death666wish
@Death666wish 6 жыл бұрын
I sat on one of these in the dealer and I can only tip toe one foot!
@CycleCruza
@CycleCruza 6 жыл бұрын
I have a new appreciation for Ducati bikes since owning my XDiavel S. However, I still don't fully trust these high class ******* yet! lol
@pramathewyayawar6934
@pramathewyayawar6934 6 жыл бұрын
Except looks and sound, everything is nice about this bike. Now waiting for Honda to release their RCV based RVF 1000R....
@Jack13001
@Jack13001 6 жыл бұрын
How in gods name does a v4 sound so boring/ bad. this bike sounds like a tractor compared to an rsv4
@iD4v1d
@iD4v1d 6 жыл бұрын
Jacko Flacko That's the combination of the stock exhaust and the shitty microphone, I've heard it in real life and it sounds amazing.
@Ejad93
@Ejad93 6 жыл бұрын
It is because of its twin pulse firing order, every two cylinders are firing closely together so it sounds almost like a v twin
@braddavies137
@braddavies137 6 жыл бұрын
Way better in person.
@remigusker6024
@remigusker6024 6 жыл бұрын
A performance beast for sure, but dammit how did they manage to make a V4 sound so bad? It's a little better in person, but still sounds worse than a VFR and can't hold a candle to the Aprilia.
@m0pelley99
@m0pelley99 6 жыл бұрын
The Ferrari 488 of the bike world.
@mightyboomerang2932
@mightyboomerang2932 6 жыл бұрын
Vs. RSV4
@WojciechKalka
@WojciechKalka 6 жыл бұрын
It lost actually against the new R1M .. on an honest test :)
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 6 жыл бұрын
So no test against the S1000RR? Hm And as far as it being a lot of bike for the money...maybe you ought to test it against a bike that costs a tenth as much?
@jdord4838
@jdord4838 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, this bike seems awesom. Great review. .."Yeshua / Jesus is the way "
@AST4EVER
@AST4EVER 6 жыл бұрын
Funny part between 0:50 & 1:02 😂
@mark3evo
@mark3evo 6 жыл бұрын
400 miles , so already filled up 5 times, other than that a great bike
@josh786manchester
@josh786manchester 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like thunder.. Sounds like 125
@lambethlongshanks7990
@lambethlongshanks7990 6 жыл бұрын
£24 000 - 'A lot of bike for the money' Yeah. Alright, pal.
@jamsxr
@jamsxr 6 жыл бұрын
It’s an Italian V4 race bike with some of the best components and technology available...
@lambethlongshanks7990
@lambethlongshanks7990 6 жыл бұрын
Ducati's Italian? And you're trying to tell me the V4S is a V4, Jim 86? Bonkers!
@jamsxr
@jamsxr 6 жыл бұрын
Your statement suggested you needed educating.... anyway, if you don’t want the most powerful and technologically advanced superbike, buy a K5 GSXR.
@lambethlongshanks7990
@lambethlongshanks7990 6 жыл бұрын
And you, Jim 86, seem to be the man to educate me. And thanks for the purchasing advice! #jimknowsbest
@jamsxr
@jamsxr 6 жыл бұрын
Any time Craig
@bagpuss9494
@bagpuss9494 6 жыл бұрын
@hunkkwoizer6653
@hunkkwoizer6653 6 жыл бұрын
get new akra exhuast guys from ducati!
@yardblah5161
@yardblah5161 6 жыл бұрын
Long term update....of a bike you "just" got.........
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Yar D Blah yes, it’s the first update. Thanks for the comment. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWXYg6OZn9mYmdk
@josh786manchester
@josh786manchester 6 жыл бұрын
Helmet is bigger than bike
@montycrain5783
@montycrain5783 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds Castrated next to a Aprilia V4.
@AnOddGamerChannel
@AnOddGamerChannel 6 жыл бұрын
Your sound always sucks 😣
@Ze-Germanzuk
@Ze-Germanzuk 6 жыл бұрын
AnOddGamerChannel Always seems weird that such a big publication can't afford some half decent mics and camera equipment when so many tiny channels manage it fine.
@Dennell_Mount_and_Blade
@Dennell_Mount_and_Blade 6 жыл бұрын
They spend every available penny on their bikes :).
@loading2112
@loading2112 6 жыл бұрын
Ze Germanz because their focus is on publishing and not video?
@itsmechris14
@itsmechris14 6 жыл бұрын
thats a track only bike to me. if you cant carry a hoe on the back, it aint a road bike :)
@duc9395
@duc9395 5 жыл бұрын
How careless do you have to be to snap a mirror wheeling the bike past a bush.
@nabarunghosh20
@nabarunghosh20 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, This bike can beat so many superbikes available on the Market. But, Still, The V4s can't beat The One and Only Horse Power King BMW S1000rr 2018 Model. S1000rr Wins the Mark Again.
@Asgardsrei
@Asgardsrei 6 жыл бұрын
Biggest chicken strip I’ve ever seen
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
Ducatisti they’re big, aren’t they?
@JavierHernandez-zv4of
@JavierHernandez-zv4of 6 жыл бұрын
How do people think this is a sexy looking bike? I’ve seen better looking bmx bikes.
@philiproberts6947
@philiproberts6947 6 жыл бұрын
Alot of bike for the money,£24k!!!! What planet are these pricks living on. £24k is alot of money for a majority of "average" people with a family to support and a house to run. All manufacturers are getting greedy with the cost of there higher end bikes,most of which are just dead weight on public roads unless you have access to a track and then most who have invested that much money will be to worried to ride them on track due the the cost of repairs if they bin it.
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
You’re right. £24k is a shed load of money for a bike and you could have just as much fun on a £3k GSX-R750. But if you’re one of the lucky ones who can afford it, the V4 S the current ultimate in technology, speed, power and handling. We do just as many tests on cheaper bikes, too...
@jpolhamus71
@jpolhamus71 6 жыл бұрын
what a joke cbr should have never been in the lineup out of all the Japanese bikes it is the shittiest 1000cc bike on the market so the compare that to a Ducati is absolutely absurd
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
jpolhamus71 sorry to hear you didn’t get on with the Blade SP. What didn’t you like about it?
@jpolhamus71
@jpolhamus71 6 жыл бұрын
neevesybikes out of all the Japanese sports bikes it's the slowest bike overpriced for 2007 technology Honda just needs to stick with building cars
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
jpolhamus71 it’s not slow? It was the second fastest in our ‘18 group test around the track. It might not have the power of its rivals but it’s far lighter. It’s fabulous to ride. Only the V4 beats it...
@jpolhamus71
@jpolhamus71 6 жыл бұрын
neevesybikes come on man a hundred and seventy horsepower at the crank GSXR 1000 200 horsepower at the crank the other Japanese companies are shooting for 200 horsepower at the crank Honda has 170 at the crank there's a problem there
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
jpolhamus71 170? No, it makes much more than that. 185bhp on our dyno.
@TheMacki95
@TheMacki95 6 жыл бұрын
you need a new helmet!
@neevesybikes
@neevesybikes 6 жыл бұрын
TheMacki95 TheMacki95 why?
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