Ducati Superleggera V4 vs 1299 Superleggera Detailed Walk-around - Where’s the $20K?

[@tornadoknut]

I would always choose the 1299 .... what a beauty 😍

[@tomman2]

Very cool to see the details and hear your impressions. Thanks for sharing!

[@BrianEvansracer]

Hey Uri, I didn't realize you had those bikes :-) I got the first 1299 SL 3 years ago - great bike! I too wondered why the V4 SL costs SO MUCH MORE! Thanks for sharing the video. Btw, the exhaust on the 1299 FE is quite a bit different than the 1299 SL. First they pounded a couple of dents in it so it would clear the kickstand and larger rear tires with tire warmers. After my ride at Mugello the technician put warmers on the tires and I pointed out to the engineers that the tire warmer was melting on the header due to the clearance of less than 10 mm between the 1299 SL Akrapovic SBK exhaust header and the 200/60 Pirelli slick, which is only 3 mm taller in ride height than the stock 200/55 tire - OMG! Also the end cans have the tops blocked off so the exhaust won't melt the turn signals. Miss seeing you out at the track. Hope all is well with you.

[@turbotrk100]

Try to have a look on the V4 Superleggera, remove the ehaust cover and look at the part where the swingarm is closer to the exhaust collector. On my bike has turned green and brown due to the heat.

[@Markdi46]

Iv just converted my V4R to the Superleggera, and the attention to detail behind the fairing is breathtaking! Even down to fit and finish 👌🏻

[@duclife1059]

how did you do that? did you purchase the official fairings?

[@Markdi46]

@@duclife1059 yes thats correct

[@duclife1059]

Thank you. Can you show me where you purchased? Did you convert to the large wings as well?

[@duclife1059]

@@Markdi46 did you find any advantage to the larger wings?

[@Markdi46]

@@duclife1059 huge improvement over the R winglets!

[@oneonlyxram]

The 1299 SL is still my goal bike. The V4 is incredible and probably better in most ways, except it can't match the way the twin makes you feel! Great bikes dude.

[@oneonlyxram]

@Thomas B the 1299 is 899 turned up a few notches! I owned a 1299 anniversario and took the 1299 sl out on track and man was that an experience!

[@EngineLover17]

The best video in comparing the two ducati bikes! I dont have a ducati, and yet im here watching the comparison between these two Perfectly made superbikes! More videos to come!

[@D___772]

Nice video mate! I got my 1299 SL 3-ish years ago and I still love it! I didn't bother to get the V4 SL because of the extra money (plus I needed a comfortable daily rider) so I got a V4S instead! But if I win the lottery some day, then I'll definitely get a V4 SL if I can find one :)

[@D___772]

My friend just got a V4 SL but couldn’t afford the full price tag so he sold his V4 Speciale and I was the one who bought it off him! So at this point I don’t feel the need to get a V4 SL whilst having a V4S, 1299 SL and V4 Speciale but you can never had to many bikes 😉

[@D___772]

(That’s meant to say “too many” not “to many”

[@MikeRitland]

Can you describe the differences in riding experience between the two?

[@TouchUpDirect]

Both are very raw, this is for sure. But there is a huge torque difference between the two; the 1299 is a monster in this way. Also, the 1299 feels much smaller and narrower...like there's nothing but a motor between your legs. The V4, on the other hand, just seems much better controlled. Like the focus was on aero and electronics that create better control. And it's wicked, wicked fast at the top of the RPM range.

[@MikeRitland]

Awesome thank you for the input and videos!

[@element7us]

Awesome video sir. Thanks for taking the time to share those 2 beautiful Machines. My question is if you can only pick one which one would it be?

[@TouchUpDirect]

Oh man, that’s so tough to answer. They are so completely different, but I guess if I had to answer, I’d say V4. But it’s one of these things I could change my mind in an instant.

[@madmike5144]

Two my dream bikes, 1299 SL was so epic in real life, so i can almost image how good is V4SL

[@patthonsirilim5739]

The 1299 definitely feels more raw its narrow lighter have alot more torque and have very less advance aero and electronic v4 sl is probably faster but 1299sl embodies the Ducati spirit

[@01m2m]

Nice video. What changes on the 1299SL bellypan did you have to do to get the kickstand working? I really don’t want to cut the OEM bellypan. #308 here.

[@TouchUpDirect]

Oh man, that was like 5 years ago so I don't really recall. I know I changed the kickstand to the Shiftech carbon stand and there might have been some other parts involved there too. I honestly cannot recall exactly what anymore, sorry.

[@iiredeyeiiredeye1569]

The reason for the different colour carbon swing arm is Kevlar. It's woven into the carbon pre preg in high impact areas. Common in the motorsport world.

[@bubsiesiegel]

Hey, Uri. Probably not really something to be shown for too long, but the tires on the V4 SL are very interesting as they are a completely different variation of the Super Corsa's. Next time you're in the garage, look at the sidewall of the 1299 Super Corsa's and then take a look at the V4's. The V4 almost has this "bowed" out aspect to them, which I take is derived from their Slicks. Just thought it was something cool to add.

[@TouchUpDirect]

I never noticed this, I'll take a look!

[@V4evocom]

great job keep going

[@karmabrothercat]

Hi there, nice video. Thanks for sharing. 1299sl no.121 here. 👍

[@TouchUpDirect]

Awesome! I have a particularly interesting 1299 vs V4 video coming...stay tuned!

[@karmabrothercat]

TouchUpDirect looking forward to seeing your video. I had the opportunity to sit on one earlier this week, what a beautiful machine. Congratulations on your collection.

[@FancyAnimal]

How would you be able to evaluate a cost differential without an engineering metric? Tooling cost, engineering design time, design complexity, failure margins, etc etc. the V4 side fairing tooling cost alone is an order of magnitude higher than the 1299. That aside, the cost ratio of the 1299S/V4S is the same as the 1299SL/V4SL. PS Ducati uses vacural casting processes.

[@TouchUpDirect]

Of course there is an engineering metric question. However the end goal is a consumer product and therefore the consumer value is what I was attempting to explain. I simply purchased the bikes, I did not design, engineer, or manufacture them. And you can bet that the #1 goal of any consumer product is consumer value. Every other aspect is secondary, including all engineering. After all, if no one will purchase the product, what’s the point of making it?

[@FancyAnimal]

@@TouchUpDirectyou’re not following. You can’t evaluate engineering content based on primary facie consumerism, since the engineering is what ultimately drives cost. This isn’t a can opener. Do you understand how classic laminate theory applies to carbon fiber epoxy structures, or the increased complexity of how the plies need to be kitted to properly lay in the tool? How about the side vents that need to be bench trimmed or the complex curves of the tooling for the side fairing? Balancing the cams to higher order harmonics for the extra revs? Tuning the twist harmonics in the swing arm? Induction hardening time for the hotter camtrain? Stochastic material limits? Coding time for the new electronics? The new electronics hardware engineering? You’re talking about the resin coloring and surface finishes on an Apollo rocket. Lol.

[@TouchUpDirect]

@@FancyAnimal I’m aware you understand a great many things about engineering and you want it to be known. Things I won’t pretend to understand, nor desire to. But rest assured I am following precisely your point in this conversation.

[@TouchUpDirect]

@@FancyAnimal oh, forgot to add...engineering is only a factor in driving costs. Otherwise this bike or any other would have zero common parts with a standard V4, or any Ducati. What really drives the cost is how much engineering can be offered for a target price. Do you believe if the motorcycle was $200k it would be identical to its current spec sheet? How about $500k, $1M, and so on. Willingness to pay trumps all. Engineering is only permitted to paint within cost dictated lines. Great discussion though, thanks for chining in!

[@nejoh713]

I like twin silinder sound. Look like monster growl sound.

[@ahmadizzatshahmieralhamdul4926]

In Malaysia country it sold at 1 million Ringgit after tax.

[@farschadabolfathi]

The newer v4 all the way !! Just a bit too many darn wings in the front .. haha

[@Woopy11]

The 1199 with the magnesium rims looks the best of the 3, to me.

[@muscleandimports]

Your 1199SL #75 has surfaced in one of the threads you started on ducatiforum. A member named, 'Project1201' claims to have it and also that he lives in LA. Thought you would like to know.

[@TouchUpDirect]

Which forum? I can assure you that nobody else has #75, that's guaranteed.

[@muscleandimports]

​@@TouchUpDirect ducatiforum where you posted about the weight comparison between the two (it won't let me post the link) but I was saying your missing #75 1199SL needed to complete the trio 😉

[@TouchUpDirect]

Found it, thanks!

[@muscleandimports]

​@@TouchUpDirect very welcome! Good luck if you end up trying to make it happen! Hopefully we can expect a video on 3 some time in the future 😄

[@muscleandimports]

​@@TouchUpDirect it's a shame that guy hasn't logged back in.. kind of lame to drop that message and not check up at least once every couple months. Hopefully you two are able to connect so you can finally complete your collection. In any respect, the 1199SL is actually my favorite of the 3! Hope it comes to fruition for you, I look very much forward to more superleggera content from you!

[@kakappawpmaiangche7090]

I want 1299. More unique😍

[@muscleandimports]

Now you just need an 1199SL to complete the trio 😉

[@TouchUpDirect]

Yeah, if I could find #75 I'd definitely try to make it happen!

[@muscleandimports]

@@TouchUpDirect maybe put up a wtb post on the duacti forums. Who knows.. you might be able to bring that one out of the woodworks to complete the trio 😉

[@dagohutahaean]

when you compared this two macchine, i'm now really sure the v4sl looks much better......not to say the 1299sl is bad in any mean tho

[@powermovemj6659]

I would like to see a video of you explaining how much did the V4r cost you and also how much would the service invoice cost you a howlong do you think that the bike will last before it needs a engine refresher

[@TouchUpDirect]

The R is a $40k motorcycle, as I’m sure you know. There’s deals to be had out there and whatnot, but just based on MSRP, it’s $40k. Normal service is just like any other Panigale...a few hundred bucks a per year until a Desmo service. I wouldn’t anticipate any accelerated mechanical wear since I’m not racing it or even doing many track days on it.

[@powermovemj6659]

@@TouchUpDirect So my question is I am hearing that the engine has to be rebuilt at a certain amount of miles is that true

[@TouchUpDirect]

Not for normal use, that rebuild schedule is only for a race bike or dedicated, hard used track day bike. I’ve seen this question come up previously but there is no merit to it. I think it’s mentioned in the owners manual about an accelerated maintenance schedule but for only bikes used very hard. It is NOT like the BMW S1000 carbon framed non-street legal bike that needed to be rebuilt every few thousand miles.

[@powermovemj6659]

@@TouchUpDirect Thanks a lot I really do appreciate you taking time out of your day to respond back to my questions one thing I would love to see steel though here’s a video of you reviewing these bikes after you get about five or 6000 miles on it

[@TouchUpDirect]

@@powermovemj6659 that probably won’t happen! I never ride these superbikes that far! I’m way too lazy...

[@angelnavas4124]

Thanks Uri I must say that I like and at the same time dislike how impartial or objective you are haha I mean you doesn't sounds excited about those amazing masterpiece! Exposed yourself a little more, haha what's your verdict after this time with both bikes? Are you considering the 1199 SL as well to complete the trilogy? ;-)

[@TouchUpDirect]

Oh I am excited...nobody buys these bikes for lack of passion. However I live in reality and like to look at things objectively. And objectively, these are incredible pieces of machinery.

[@cnealmartin]

The wings on the V4 look ridiculous. 1299 is 20lbs lighter than the V4. No question that V4 is way over priced.

[@MrHappy-oq7ot]

call me stupid but i think the 1299 v-twin is a better engine than the v4,its a street bike after all

[@TouchUpDirect]

Won't call you stupid at all...your point is definitely valid. The 1299 is more exciting in many ways.

[@faseehistic_05]

Can anyone tell me whats the body difference b/w Superleggera and Panigale?

[@TouchUpDirect]

The bodywork is completely different because the SL is entirely carbon. Not to mention the mounting points for all the wings.

[@mohdazmiahmad1759]

My personal opinion... 1299 is more interesting & V4 is not bad ..

[@robertdelvecchio7438]

if you're still wondering...then evidently you haven't priced those v4 tires :)

[@TouchUpDirect]

LOL, I’m afraid to.

[@robertdelvecchio7438]

@@TouchUpDirect ....you'll find it amusing...so much so you'll be amused to tears :)

[@MOONDOGNEWYORK]

@@robertdelvecchio7438 1800 American.

[@robertdelvecchio7438]

@@MOONDOGNEWYORK yup...close enough - nobody seems to know the details as to why so much

[@robertdelvecchio7438]

Make of this what you will: www.cyclenews.com/2020/06/article/pirelli-diablo-supercorsa-sp-selected-as-oe-tire-for-ducati-superleggera-v4/

[@gri7245]

Dude get some Radiatorguards, those get damaged real quick

[@ItsjusUno]

Short answer inflation..

[@TouchUpDirect]

I'm not so sure inflation explains it. The inflation rate from 2017-2020 was about 1.875%, indicating the V4SL should cost $81,500 instead of $100k.

[@ItsjusUno]

@@TouchUpDirect but wouldn’t you agree that it cost more to produce the v4 sl.

[@TouchUpDirect]

@@ItsjusUno manufacturing costs, likely yes. In relation to inflation, minimally.

[@craigdr262]

INFLATION !!!!!