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[@Drone-Pilot]

My 90 year old mother unknowingly helped me with cinematic footage, she would get dizzy very easy with too much video movement, so I dialled it down, waaaaayyyyyy down, and she finally watched an entire video that I produced for a clients property, it was so hard initially for me to do very slow smooth movements.

[@chemistt]

were you flying interior or exterior? My friend asked me to help make a presentation video for a gallery because of my experience....I found out that 0.99 EXPO is def. not enough of expo flying interior :D

[@flapjackfpv]

I’m really excited to see the waves you just created in 3-6 months... 👏🏼

[@Kabab]

Lol, china gonna copy everything aren't they

[@Bruno-cb5gk]

That 4 inch looks so cool, can't wait to see the video on it. Also really glad that you're experimenting with all these various octo configurations because I've had many similar ideas but neither the time nor budget to try them all and it looks like they don't really work all that well anyway.

[@yannickg6904]

My kind of craft, slow flying through branches is my favorite.

[@DavidCook42]

I recently tried tree flying, it's a lot of fun, I really need more practice though, here is my attempt kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKvPhZ5qd5aXiNk

[@pdtech4524]

Interesting build, I like the Octowhoop design.👍

[@kestrelfpv4712]

love and miss your content, great work Bob!

[@TheDro]

Xzibit shed a tear for this video when he heard you liked ducts

[@djilly75]

Wtf? How cool! I've been gone a month but you've been busy I see. I freaking love it!

[@ofiasdfnosdf]

Welcome back!

[@JoshuaHardee]

#1 Free way to "slow things down" is FPV Cam Tilt/Angle. That is where the illusion of speed is created/accentuated. Then next step is to decrease GoPro tilt. FPV "CineWhoops" should have barely any tilt, but most just use their reg Freestyle or Racing tilt... Hah!

[@mjodr]

I came to the comments to say this. I can fire up Liftoff, set the camera angle to 0° and fly slow as balls all day long. I don't understand this talk about 20-40 mph "minimums"? I mention Liftoff because it lets you change your camera angle 1° at a time quickly so you can see what it's like to fly everything from zero to insane racing angle. There is a point where the angle is so extreme I can't fly it anymore, so I have essentially the opposite problem. I fly LOS in real life, hover forever and do slow movements, so again I don't understand this minimum speed talk. The quad is physically capable of doing anything from hover to 1 mph or 5 mph as smooth as silk, so after that it's down to rates and skills. You can tune BF (or any FC) to have insanely low rates and input smoothing to make slow flight buttery. Obviously it's going to be impossible to get a smooth 1 mph shot with 1000 deg/s rates and a whacky throttle curve with no expo or resolution in the hover point zone.

[@EdturdEnfart]

@@mjodr I think kabab means you can fly even slower without changing camera angle imagine putting this one at 0 degree tilt

[@cecilwilliams8709]

That's just simply cool. I've always been fascinated with anything over four motors. My big 5" hex from years ago is still the most stable, rock solid GoPro platform I've ever flown. It excels at really slow, precision flight. I'd like to put faster motors on it but your original fpv cycle 2306.5's are so exquisitely smooth I can't make myself change them.

[@GoncaloRijo]

Thank you for the video. You can pair an DJI FPV remote with the avata, it needs to be version 2.

[@Kabab]

as far as I know, the larger black DJI controller won't pair with it. The smaller videogame controller is just too small for me to consider useful.

[@md.m.8372]

2 videos in 2 weeks? Did everyone learn to floss their teeth & clear up your schedule? 🤣 Lol Interested to see how that 4" performs 🤔 bet it rolls real tight/snappy tho 👀👀

[@AndyDreadFPV]

Put optical flow sensors on the bottom, use a FC with baro and put GPS and use inav position hold and camera angle of 5 degrees and you get solid slow footage.

[@Kabab]

Right, I want that setup but have never seen anyone actually execute it. Not sure the code actually supports any of it. If it does, it's probably not gonna be very well tuned for it.

[@AndyDreadFPV]

@@Kabab Here is a video with someone testing position hold on an old version of iNav using only GPS. Fairly decent for old firmware and not all the sensors. Even this setup would be better on a cinewhoop for very slow flights than just using Betaflight kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHmno6msnbl7nM0. You can get plenty sats indoors if you shield GPS cable properly.

[@Kabab]

@@AndyDreadFPV I think there may be some information lost in conveyance here. The position hold needed in this case is very very fine. There is no GPS hold that can perform position hold indoors within 1cm accuracy. optical flow or otherwise optical/sensor cameras along with solid barometer performance are the only options I know of for that. GPS is not really useful on any cinewhoop because it's just not a platform designed to fly far away. They generally aren't flown out of auditory range.

[@jeffclassics]

I also want to do it. External baro, matek lidar, gps (+compass?), BF or inav.

[@AndyDreadFPV]

@@jeffclassics Right now people fly cinewhoops without any stabilization at all so even even basic position hold flight mode of inav of ardupilot is better than what people are using now which is nothing at all. There is no need for external baro and all that jazz. You just need to a FC with a decent baro such as Bosch covered in soft foam and working shielded and grounded GPS. If you want to go to the extreme then you can add optical flow sensors there is no magic here. It's just that people are using Betaflight and not thinking to do this for cinewhoops.

[@ScottyRoddis]

Glad you got it together. Seemed like a fun experiment.

[@ainultmuss]

Finally some common sense. High quality shots is what everybody cares about.

[@Kingstersreejit]

I'm laughing uncontrollablely reading the name🤣🤣

[@RichMoore-tweakin7376]

Kabab talking slow. The same guy who used to rip up is straight at 300 mph 🤣 This is really intriguing buddy I love this. I still haven't built a silent. Very very interesting though. I'm tired of smashing up my quads

[@RichMoore-tweakin7376]

*rip up his street.

[@Kabab]

I work at both ends :-D

[@RichMoore-tweakin7376]

@@Kabab LOL . Just keep doing what you do. We need ya. 👍

[@nikfpv3456]

Nice to see more videos from you! I'm curious once the walksnail 1S board comes out if it would work well on a babytooh.

[@Kabab]

let's see what comes first.

[@hateeternalmaver]

Sweet, I got the right answer before you mentioned it. ^^ was obviously a bit fast for having a model there... As always very exciting and interesting stuff - the cow never disappoints! hehe cheers

[@TheGeordietheWitchandtheWench]

My take on all of this, since I’ve been flying since 2007… first off load ardu onto your FC. Now you have all those features like the DJI crap. Secondly and most importantly fly as a plus! Lastly don’t use fisheye on the GP. It looks like we are inside a fishbowl 😊

[@MessingWithCode]

thanks so much i forgot to floss 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@fabianrudzewski9027]

If you're so impressed by the capabilities of the avata, maybe it's time to look at different flight controller platforms, to get similar sensory equipment onboard as the avata. Inav and ardupilot can both be flashed on some of the common FPV FC's, but enable you to really use GPS (not just buggy rescue mode), optical flow+height measurements. With all that enabled, you should get similar flight behaviour to the avata and you can strap the GoPro to it for quality.

[@Kabab]

Inav doesn't use the sensors anywhere close to as well as a DJI craft and the rest have very poor manual control unfortunately

[@ddegn]

Have you tried the DJI FPV drone? It can fly slow like the Avata. I like both the DJI FPV drone and the Avata myself. I'm not a very good pilot and I like the training wheels offered by these DJI drones. I purchased the Avata combo which includes the Motion Controller (MC). The MC is fun but it has very limited control compared with traditional remotes. I have not found a way to fly backwards with the MC. I'm intrigued with the prospect of having a one handed controller. To me, the MC is not an ideal one handed controller. I think a controller like a Wii Nunchuck would likely be a better one handed controller than the MC. Years ago (before I documented projects on KZbin) I combined a microcontroller, a Spektrum transmitter module and a Wii Nunchuck to make a controller for a RC helicopter. The joystick controlled pitch and roll and I used the accelerometers to control yaw and throttle. I'm really tempted to try the Nunchuck controller again but to control the DJI FPV drone and the Avata. These two drones will hold altitude without the need of careful throttle control by the pilot. One thing I found very challenging when flying the helicopter with the Nunchuck was altitude control. It's really hard to accurately control throttle by tilting the Nunchuck. The DJI drones should remedy this problem. I'm hoping I can highjack the normal remote's joysticks by connecting a microcontroller controlled DAC to the appropriate wires. I'd use the microcontroller to read the Nunchuck values and then translate these inputs to appropriate DAC outputs. The DAC outputs would take the place of potentiometers' wiper outputs. (At least I think this will work.) Sorry for the long post. I'm hoping this is the sort of thing you find interesting. Anyone interested can search my user name on Hackaday IO and follow along when I make progress on this project. Thanks for sharing this interesting video. It have me a lot to think about. BTW, *I floss everyday.*

[@Kabab]

The DJI stuff is really innovative but I wish they would give us good manual control too with assistance. Unfortunately their goal is to give the ability to fly to literally anyone that can hold anything at all so we get this dumbed down craft of sorts. The FPV craft was similar except that it wouldn't fly as slowly. You're one of the 2% that floss daily...keep it up

[@fractalrender]

Bob!. Watched the video, I am having this issue, beside the mail I sent you, I got my iflight green hornet working again and also bought a set of d75 gemfan, today I tested it. 3 things happened. Its more maneuverable, more sharp, but it wobbles. I get less flight time, and third motors are cooler. Dont know if its better or not. The thing is what could happend If i use your frame with the iflight guts?. A friend of mine is traveling to the usa in october so he can bring it or I must use the 2003 motors??? Don’t know what could be better. Great quad the octo !!!!

[@medrone7097]

Now I want to see Kabab mod the Avata!

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Ah, so coaxials are loud and inefficient compared to ducted flats. Gotcha. I think I'll wait to see what the 4-inch stacked plus does before I comment on further opinion or "ideas" for layouts but in the meantime; What do you think of the idea of a 2-axis gimbal GoPro mount on a drone? What size drone (incl custom layouts/homebuilds like race quads are) do you think would be needed to carry a GoPro and a 2-axis (pitch and roll) gimbal on it decently? Also, given disc loading, what quadcopter size is a 2" ducted octo equivalent to, and by extension what would other octo or hex sizes be equivalent to in a quadcopter layout?

[@Kabab]

I'd recommend buying a mavic and attaching it to a cinelifter. I'm not even kidding. It's less work and you'll get a better result.

[@oddworld1328]

I don't know if you're not trying to solve problem Which has already been solevd, just use 2/2.5" quadcopter whoop with naked gopro, much smaller battery and low kv motors. Like this you're going to get something with even more control than the octo whoop I'd say. Less drift, longer flight time, that's why are classic micro whoops being used everywhere.

[@Kabab]

Yep I'm about to compare things with one shortly

[@Andrew-FKF]

@@Kabab do it and share

[@GBoniFPV]

Very informative video, by the way the Avata does bind with the DJI FPV remote 😀

[@Kabab]

it binds with the little video game controller. It doesn't bind with the larger black one. That little one is useless to me. way too small

[@enricodesign619]

as someone who does not like fast fpv drones, but do like video and slow flying rc planes, you are right, we dont care about flips and showoff things, its not what we look for, even if it is impressive, which it is

[@PhillyDroneLife]

Love your videos. Thx for all the info👍👍 Mikey

[@sixtofive]

This brings to mind an idea that might be totally ridiculous, but I wonder if it could work. If you have 8 motor outputs available, could you build out a hex platform where the the first six motor outputs are strictly used to maintain a stable hovering platform, then mount the final two motors horizontally as EDF for skid steer style movement and rotation control? The six primary motors could control elevation and roll for side to side movement, while the two edf motors would control pitch and yaw movements. This could give you movement control much more like a hovercraft where you don't actually need forward pitch of the entire craft to move forward. This kind of setup would be useless for any kind of freestyle flying except smooth cruising, but for slow deliberate movements in theory it could have potential.

[@Kabab]

The problem is the hover. Getting the craft to stay in a balanced hover without moving around

[@HolaACchillin]

Fantastic video! Love ur 8 motor cine! ❤️

[@did3d523]

love your home !! florida? I sell my avata cause too noisy ....

[@ianyunis3580]

Great video! I would argue that the avata would still be useful if you want go pro footage, because nothing is stopping you from also mounting a go pro to it as well and getting that stable gps flight still :)

[@Kabab]

right, as I said at the end. You can strap a hero bones to the Avata for a fantastic little craft. The issue then is that you still gotta use either the wiimote thing or the tiny little video game controller.

[@oddworld1328]

not really, since you loose the gimbal, it will look lik enirmal whoop then

[@ianyunis3580]

@@Kabab yeah definitely, the controller is certainly it's weakest point, 100% agree

[@jeffclassics]

I like how you shared that though as good as that clip might be, those are not usable clips in professional videography. Basically I agree to all your intro. Fpv pilots should know this, don't force all shots be fpv shots for the sake of it. Clips and snippets are better in post because cinematic is not about the speed and skill of the pilot but the story telling and slow reveals, cuts, transitions. Don't get me wrong, I have a cinewhoop too and my footages and one takes are all not for story telling and just picking dust.

[@Kabab]

Very few situations call for speed and agility. Hard for almost all FPV pilots to understand.

[@jeffclassics]

Right. even watching Netflix movies that features drone shots, the clip is way way short. No offense to them great pilots. But it just shows that story telling videos unless car chasing, most of the time slow b.roll reveals are more than enough for the director, editor, and post. Atleast it's not just me who noticed.

[@newt2010]

Not real sure what FPV controller you are talking about not being able to pair to the Avata?? DJI's FPV controller does work with the Avata. Just hard to find that controller, and I am on their waiting list. BTW, great video

[@Kabab]

The older large black one that was intended only for the FPV system, not any DJI craft. The previous DJI FPV quad didn't work with it either. That little video game controller is too small for me to consider useful. My hands are just too big.

[@brianevans4]

funny that they kicked you out of the DJI marketing group because you gave honest comments. very interesting to hear

[@Kabab]

Eh. I dunno if that's what bothered them. Maybe I just don't fit the demographic 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@b3owu1f]

Per your comments on avata.. why cant you use iNav 5.x with a quad and get the same slow speed and/or hover? Seems like that is one of the purposes of using inav over betaflight. You may not have the downward sensors.. but you do have gps and barometer (or.. you would pick an FC WITH those... like the new JB v2 FC or SpeedyBee or Lumenier HX7, etc)? Also.. I haven't flown yet.. but I see plenty of folks flying the 4 prop/duct cine whoops (3" or so) and look to fly them slow just fine. Just tilt camera a bit so its more in line with the FPV camera angle.. and adjust throttle profile so you can have a switch change the power output.. does this not work?

[@Kabab]

inav and a couple others do have some code to use optical flow and baro but the code isn't very good last I tested it (years ago). Nowhere in the same realm as DJI's performance. I would love to see that happen for us. It would go a LONG way to help with cinematic footage if we could limit our overall rate of speed and maintain altitude.

[@GTARC_au]

Big like mate. Cool Whoop!!

[@Guilefpv]

Imagine DJI releasing a mount for their soon to be released action camera 3 to be put on the Avata (without hindering or interfering with the GPS)

[@Kabab]

Their action cam doesn't work with RSgo unfortunately

[@jpslayermayor9293]

I have a question for the community/Bob: How viable do you think it would be to add optical flow functionality to flight controllers / Betaflight? Would it take up too much flight controller processing power, would it require considerable amount of programming resources ? To your point Bob, we all love cini whoops however very slow flying and hovers are limited not by the piloting skill are more influenced by flight controller function and whether it is able to leverage additional instrumentation (e.g. optical flow camera data) to increase slow hover stability.

[@Kabab]

I think it would be very viable and I wish it would happen. I've asked for it for a decade now.

[@_burd]

Great comment on the difference between good footage and good air manoeuvring. I DoP commercial/branded content and normally hire cinelifter/inspire pilots to handle aerial footage. But recently those pilots have managed to coax me into getting my own 4" drone with an O3 Air unit, a Mavic 3 pro and qualify commercially. I can totally get the desire to 'left stick up go brrrr' but as soon as you start getting even just motion blur in footage from a pan or tilt that's too rapid it's a very specific experience to the viewer and can come across as exciting/anxious/aggressive when it's not intended to be. Even though it can feel fun or powerful as a pilot to be able to make the camera go/do whatever you want. The job is not about that. This is true even with slow speed but tight proximity flying to professional work requires top tier control and seeing moves ahead as if you don't have the reaction time your craft actually has.There's a lot of pilots out there that just don't get the call for work because they can't handle the bottom 1/8th of their throttle. Think 'low speed mode' on a C2 craft, like the avata you mention (minus the gopro distortion, please xD). It's almost like FPVs need a 'cine' mode with deliberately nerfed rates to get the inertia needed. The only place I've found higher speed agility to be relevant in client work is similar to the go-cart footage at the end, where the subject itself is of a higher pace/energy too. Otherwise, your aircraft handling ends up getting in the way of what's going on in your shot. Like a fancy picture frame distracting from the painting itself.

[@Kabab]

I have been working on how to get my crafts to specifically fly slow consistently for years now. It's a shockingly difficult problem because things in the air just slide around so easily. I have even strapped a beach ball on top of the craft to try and induce drag. It did work but any breeze at all and it does not work anymore. Also, indoors is pretty much impossible unless you use the DJI avata with its imaging system to keep position and height

[@_burd]

@@Kabab A lot of it comes down to excess tilt, which makes me wonder if really FPV is fundamentally flawed for capture because the camera is not gimbaled. Dutch tilt is used verrrry sparingly and is pretty specific in terms of the effect it puts across experientially (normally uneasiness and tension). If there was a way to control tilt rates on the gimbal that could be interesting. That sense of flying is lost when you lose a reasonable horizon as our eyes and heads naturally seek a level themselves up to a point.

[@Kabab]

@@_burd we really just need the little DJI cam with the gimbal included so we can put it on our crafts.

[@_burd]

@@Kabab Maybe someone handy with a soldering iron can patch a Mini 3 Pro's camera into the Air Tx unit 🤔Though I'm sure it's not as simple as that. Really I just want a 3-4" Inspire (one FPV cam, one gimbaled) for those indoor/close quarters cases 😅

[@odyss160]

It seems to me the avata can pair to the new dji controller. Not just the wii knumchuck dji made

[@Kabab]

Yeah the new tiny one. Not the older, bigger black one

[@odyss160]

@@Kabab lol you know I forgot that even existed

[@Terry12345]

It's my understanding the Avata is compatible with the FPV controller. Am I wrong?

[@Kabab]

I haven't seen anyone pair it with that. It pairs with that crummy little controller that the other FPV craft comes with. I couldn't pair the other FPV craft with my large DJI FPV controller either.

[@pablo98798]

for more drag though the air probably a lighter build (less motor weigh with that) and more frontal area against the wind would work (in the movement direction), maybe instead of more ducts longer ducts. not sure how this would affect the rest of the flight characteristics tho

[@ThatFlyinRyan]

dam on edge with my gear getting stolen back in March now but idk what to do build a protek or get an avanta or build a squirt up what you think i need everything again man goggles controller chargers ect , i only have my 5 inch as it was at home

[@Kabab]

I'm investigating two other platforms which I'll be reporting on some time in the next month or so.

[@neilfpv]

Great video! I was able to slow my hacked-cinelog-to-foxwhoop by putting camera angle to 3-5degrees and with the use of 5 bladed props, it makes it really hover well.

[@neilfpv]

Yep 🙂

[@rckyfpv]

Hi! Could I get some advice about what motors should I use for a 3" freestye build (about 210grams with action camera)? My options are: 1804 3500KV, 1507 3800KV, 1404 4000KV motors. I am looking for freestyle-ability, and flight time. If you were me, what would you choose? I have 450mah 4s lipos, but I plan on buying some 650mah ones.

[@Kabab]

First off I'd recommend going with 3.5". It's just a way better overall size. So much more performance for very little size increase. For 3.5", the 16mm motor we have at FPVCycle is a gem. It's just the right amount of motor and is so light too. If you've got a heavier build or overall planning on running larger batteries for the size, you'll want something a bit larger. Something like a 2005 or 2204 but the same ~3600-4000kv. Sorry for the late replay. Haven't been around much but coming back.

[@rckyfpv]

@@Kabab Thanks for the help! I have already bought all of the components. I have chosen 1404 3000kv Diatone motors on 3" with a 35A 2-6s betafpv board, so I can run 6s instead of 4s if I feel like it's not powerful enough. The whole 3" idea came when I won a 3" Gank Nemesis frame in IGOW3 (: Maybe I'll try a 3.5" or a 4" too.

[@SkyCandyVisuals]

Is your octocopter flying with just 1 4n1 ESC? I saw you had the flight controller that has 8 motor outputs But when you explain the ESC you only said 1 ESC so is there 2 motors on each motor pads? If so then what if you did the same thing but except putting the motor side-by-side you put one under the other Like an X8 Then customize your duct to that??? That would probably get rid of your yaw issue But then again you probably would lose your slower speed capability

[@Kabab]

I show the entire electronic stack in the video. It's an AIO + 4in1. There's nothing that can be done about the yaw issue other than to use larger motors. I've encountered this issue and worked through it in development of other parts many times. The motors are just too small for a 2" ducted system. This was just a test however so no need to push further because the craft isn't worth developing further IMO

[@noclipfpv2014]

The fact I can't tell if the footage is stabilized worries me. I mean it LOOKS stabilized but I can't see no reason why you would stabilize footage made to let us know about the flight performances of this build.. If this is 'raw' that's very impressive. If that's RSGO this channel has changed a lot since last time I checked :)

[@Kabab]

I say it on screen that this is the minimum RSGo can do. I do this for three reasons. First off, I cannot get premiere to accept the HVEC codec so the raw GoPro file just doesn't work and I'm too lazy to reincode it. The RSgo file works well. Second, I always shoot in 4:3 wide which looks funny. RSgo is particularly good at the lems rectification. If I wanted to show comparable footage that we're all used to, I would need to shoot in supervise which I don't like because it's lossy. Three, RSgo actually makes a bad flight worse, especially on its minimum setting. If the flight is wonky, RSgo constantly zooms in and out and moves around which makes everything super odd. Sure there won't be any sharp movements but it's just bad looking. Crap in, crap out. Good in, better out. And finally, because it's just the best looking footage. I honestly don't even look at raw footage anymore because I've gotten so used to how RSgo works. I still have the raw flights but it not all that different with the exception of the warped lens distortion. I'll put that up and link it in the description for those that would like to see. I'm pretty sure KZbin can deal with the HVEC codec. I'll be back home on Tuesday. It'll go up then. Lastly, I don't explain all this usually because it's too big of a discussion for nothing. Give RSgo a shot yourself and you'll see that if you let it do it's thing on default, the fov is gone and it looks weird. When you scale it back to it's minimum effect, you get about 90% of the view but then the flight needs to be good or it looks way worse than raw.

[@seanmetzger4780]

I wonder if betaflights newer “acro trainer” mode would help with this? Still have acro like maneuverability, but be able to limit the bank angle and keep speed down that way? Maybe mixed with motor limit or throttle expo to keep down ballooning? Locked position hover obviously is going to require gps, I wonder if we’re all going the wrong direction flying these on betaflight? Has anyone experimented with Inav or arducopter with ciniwhoops? We’re not really asking for the great flight feel and prop wash handling of betaflight when it comes to ciniwhoops…maybe a more nav based firmware can give the smooth locked in gps like cruising that is desired?

[@gandaulf_fpv6925]

Fantastic

[@EdturdEnfart]

couple questions is the octo build on emuflight? and do you think decreasing the throttle limit could get rid of the yaw problem?

[@Kabab]

It's actually on betaflight and the latest BF is doing quite well. I'm glad to see them pull it back on the straight and narrow dev path. The yaw problem stems from the motors just being too small for the 2" duct and prop drivetrain. There's nothing that can really be done about it other than go with larger motors.

[@patsjoholm]

3:10 What's attached to the cap? I'm used to just soldering the cap direct to the leads, but seems like there's a little more going on here with a board attached to it.

[@Kabab]

The cap is attached to a board with a diode on it which is then routed to the power input pads. All of it has a specific way to apply it so it actually works. Caps at the end of a battery connector wire don't do anything. You might as well save the weight and not put the cap on. The description on these pages explains more: fpvcycle.com/products/cap-diode-system-for-motor-noise-suppression?_pos=2&_sid=d04f2d474&_ss=r fpvcycle.com/products/panasonic-fm-low-esr-electrolytic-capacitors?_pos=1&_sid=d04f2d474&_ss=r&variant=39837340434543

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

Posting before clicking play. The noise must be something else...

[@pottyputter05]

You been mowing the lawn with that thing? Lol the amount of grass that sticks inside ducts from one landing is wild

[@Kabab]

Yeah it just sucks in all foliage and processes it with vigor. I'm always impressed at how much gathers too.

[@jebrc]

Id love to be able to build stuff like that man thats awesome bob thanks for sharing

[@ghiyatshisyam]

Hello sir excuse me, iam from indonesia 🇮🇩 i need your help for creating fpv frame, i made 5 frame they are good on roll and yaw but the problem always only on pitch can you help me for this part its makes me so confused 😐 can you help me to solve this problem sir? Thank you 😊

[@AAEndrU]

I am not really fun of whoops, but to be honest, I like that octa a lot. Is there a way to get the frame?

[@Kabab]

It's the tooth fairy 2 frame with different arms. If you'd like you can buy the tooth fairy 2 from fpvcycle.com and message me on Facebook for the arm files. Brain3D has the ducts already designed

[@AAEndrU]

@@Kabab cheers! I think I will wait for the board and grab one 😃

[@JPspinFPV]

I still really like my Shen Geyser. I use 2207 2750 KV motors, slammed ducts, and liion batteries.

[@markuskoarmani1364]

AVATA with gopro will give you your needs

[@Kabab]

As I explained at the end of the video

[@OvertheTopShot]

The avata needs a few internal tweaks, has some slip ups with the computing I would guess.

[@Kabab]

They have a habit of never finishing their software on these experimental crafts for them. Part of the reason why I wouldn't get one. But always watching and always boarderline getting one.

[@OvertheTopShot]

@@Kabab it is fun! All things considered!

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty interesting concept indeed, Bob! 😃 About the speed and control of the Avata, I wander how a cinewhoop with iNav would behave. After all, it has the GPS flight modes... You know? Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@Kabab]

Right, I want flight code that uses optical flow and baro well.

[@MCsCreations]

@@Kabab I'm not sure, but I think Pawel Spychalski used an optical sensor in a quad once... I think it was just for measuring the highs, but... I'm not sure. But I believe the sensor was from Matek!

[@P8FPV]

Great video very informative 👏

[@matancohen8193]

What do you think on the iflight albatross antennas for analaog fpv? What is the best ones ?

[@Kabab]

Nothing special. It's gonna perform the same as anything in recent past with a similar form factor

[@Siamect]

I have put capping on all stick controls adjustable from zero to 100% on the qx7 and I can go as slow as I want to... So I don't really need any cinewhoop at all unless it's about flying close to living things.

[@Kabab]

The issue is how crafts slide around with just a little tilt on them. cinewhoops and things with smaller blades tend to stay put more or just not skate around as much.

[@Siamect]

@@Kabab Yes, true, they do... until someone turns on the fan because it is too hot in the restaurant you were contracted to shoot and you end up in the spagetti pot. Then I prefer my 7 inch Cineglide with your 30mm motors... At least it is too big to fit in the spagetti pot 😆

[@el_mario_reus]

this is what i practicing now, learning to fly slow😊

[@zaido8735]

I think light weight and low thrust/weight ratio are the keys.

[@jpofficialyoutubechannel]

Octoothwhoop created by a Dentist :D

[@KetaFPV]

Is that TIME as your background music??

[@Kabab]

Wow. Impressive you knew the song and noticed. Isn't it a unique song by that one guy? KZbin hasn't even noticed even though I didn't monetize the video.

[@KetaFPV]

@@Kabab It really is unique, he's definitely extremely talented and the music works perfectly for FPV :) Great video btw man

[@mrpicky1868]

if this is an "unusable" footage i am not taking any camera in my hands again

[@Kabab]

:-D naaa, it's just that the more you do it, the more you know what you're capable of and so you don't accept work that's less than what you know you're commonly capable of...

[@Catiadr]

I would be interested in the arms in stl file format.

[@Kabab]

message me on facebook, I'll send it to you

[@ChrisParayno]

I had the flywoo nano hex, and for a micro it was still to fast. Also when moving slower, it was hard to control in full manual. The avata is great for beginners but I feel without going fully manual, it's hard to unique FPV shots with just the motion controller and it's built in "normal modes". I feel beginners will struggle to understand why their shots will look pretty much like a DJI product.

[@Kabab]

Right, these are the limitations of the avata. In full manual it's kinda sorta okay and can be used well but it's the half half self managed modes that are really useful. As with everything DJI, it turns the novice into a semi-pro and knocks the pro down a few notches. In this case, it can be used by a pro to do better work in some ways, not all ways.

[@ChrisParayno]

@@Kabab completely agree with you on your statements. My 10 year cold with zero experience was shooting gaps and flying low to the ground with in minutes. Really kinda an bruised ego on some shots he was getting. At the end of the day, every tool has it's job. Keep up the great work and odd contraptions!

[@GregQuillen]

Forgot Shendrone made a 2" Octo along with 3" which I wanted

[@jdsstegman]

Do you use a spotter while flying fpv?

[@Kabab]

Yes

[@jolene6911]

I have a DJI Avata and you totally can pair a DJI FPV controller with it, that is the only way I fly it. I haven’t even attempted to use their hand controller.

[@Kabab]

You can't pair the dji FPV controller. The large black one. Same as the previous dji FPV craft

[@Maddroner]

I would like to get those arms for a project I think you have solved my issue. Great video😊

[@Kabab]

Message me on Facebook. I think I still have the arm file but I'm also about to take that build apart so I'm happy to send you the frame for just shipping cost.

[@Kabab]

Bob Roogi on Facebook

[@Maddroner]

That will be great I get paid on Tuesday

[@Maddroner]

I also sent u a friend request. When I saw that setup I was beside myself

[@Maddroner]

@KababFPV yes I would love to have it.

[@lrfpv5292]

Have you considered the tricopter? Servo yaw, so motors don't need to change rpm much or direction. Ultra smooth camera also. Lighter and cheaper too

[@Kabab]

It's not about turning, it's more about fine altitude control. I used to build many tricopters way back when. I won't build another again. Way too complicated and fragile with no real benefits.

[@lrfpv5292]

@@Kabab Hmmm then I guess optical flow sensor, or maybe even lidar could be an option. The former would should not be too difficult to implement, although it may take some tuning to get right. The later may take a bit more work, not to mention weight and money.

[@legorj35]

i want it OMG!

[@tibdrenfpv4695]

damn its over for skill? first time I saw this voodoo stuff

[@raphaelscheelje1654]

it seems that the octrowhoop is also more stable

[@Kabab]

after heaps of settings adjustments and testing, yes the octo is definitely more stable and much slower. Still hard to justify the added complexity

[@DronePH-2024]

Nice sir👍

[@cmosdaboss]

I personally can out do anything an avata can do with my freestyle 5 inch, protek 3.5 and my tinywhoop all day. Love the avata modular design but that's far as it goes

[@NilssonFPV]

May want to give Flywoos 1.8" nano hex with a naked 10 a go 😅 ~180g with battery and the flywoo gp10.

[@Kabab]

I'm not a fan of the naked gopro things. It's just too much to maintain and too delicate of a craft for me to use regularly. I'm not talking about physically breaking. I mean the overall electronics are not as reliable. That includes a gopro with no battery. If I crash and the power gets pulled, I'm not gonna get much if any of that footage back.

[@FLMan180]

I wish my dentist was cool like kabob and flew drones. Last dentist I saw was a major d bag

[@markuskoarmani1364]

6S motors like 1404 with 4S setup. These will give you slow flight and efficiency. low KV motors is a key to your slow flight.

[@Kabab]

Unfortunately this isn't really related to kv in this case

[@Vousie]

I don't see what you mean about the "minimum speed" of the craft... These are multirotors. They can hover. Thus their minimum speed is always 0.

[@Kabab]

it's very difficult to fly at 1mph. It's not controllable and just slides around in random directions. You need some forward momentum for the craft to be controllable.

[@Vousie]

@@Kabab Not really. Mostly the problem is that Acro is very difficult to fly at low speeds with. Try Angle mode if you're not using it already. Better is the position/velocity source-stabilised types of modes that Betaflight doesn't do. Then the controller can stop the horizontal sliding. That is what DJI is doing that you gave so much praise to. It's not like their stuff is "magic."

[@engizmo]

Nice video thanks. I'm still waiting on a sub 250g dji hd fpv 20min+ cruising flight time. Anyone know anything that does this?

[@Kabab]

Nothing exists that anyone would want to fly. I'm not even aware of anything that has that kinda flight time at the 250g mark

[@engizmo]

@@Kabab I'm thinking a 3s lion pack on a 3.5" to 4" platform may. Here is some one that's done it but not sure on the details...

[@engizmo]

@@Kabab kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Tm4J3er5sgpI

[@AngryMarkFPV]

they have a fpv controller? @ 9:24

[@Kabab]

as far as I know, the larger black DJI controller won't pair with it. The smaller videogame controller is just too small for me to consider useful.

[@AvallonYo]

Color correction is off too, the trees are haloed in front of the sky

[@Kabab]

I just hit it with a default shadow/highlight filter. This isn't anything critical but good eye.

[@AvallonYo]

It happens ro me all the time with those pre-made luts

[@ludofevrier5593]

Me fait penser à une fleur 🤔👌🏼🚀😍

[@peter360adventures9]

Honesty is good.

[@fpvgood]

looks like the legend of the ten Rings

[@Kabab]

😂

[@nattsurfaren]

What annoys me with that particular footage is the fish eye lens. Even if it may look cool it is not real. It is a fake twisted version of the real view. However, it is not as annoying as vertical smartphone video syndrome.

[@Kabab]

the vertical crap is the most annoying thing to come into popularity I've seen happen yet.

[@nattsurfaren]

@@Kabab LOL

[@tweekFPV]

👍🏻👍🏻 lol nice

[@Vousie]

"The things you can do with the avata are things that no fpv pilot can pull off". That's just ridiculous. You can easily do that kind of flight if you have the right flight controller setup. First of all, not flying in acro is the main thing. Then the avata has infrared and computer vision which does position hold for it which is why it hovers so stably. Optical flow gives a similar effect. Pick a flight control software that can use that and you'll be able to get similar performance.

[@Kabab]

Sure, if you have the right flight controller with all the appropriate sensors. That doesn't exist however. The DJI is the only one that can do these things with such fine control.

[@Vousie]

@@Kabab There are open source flight controllers like ArduPilot that can do optical flow position hold/stability. After that it's just a matter of hardware. DJI have spent an immense amount of time and money integrating their own software and hardware. That is why they can sell it with whatever restrictions they feel like imposing on their users (i.e. whatever will make them the most money back). If you want to have the freedom to make your own decisions on hardware and setup (such as a better camera), then there's a bit more work involved. But that doesn't mean it's impossible.

[@earld1403]

Talking about how DJI ran you out when you didn't praise their product is one reason why I never trust YT videos showing manufacturer provided equipment (even if not otherwise sponsored). Because you can bet any Content provider that lists negatives will probably not be getting any new mfr provided equipment in the future.

[@Kabab]

eh, yes and no. There are ways to sort of sugar coat negatives which I kinda don't care to put energy into. I'm happy to spend my time on interesting products but also not going to beg anyone to do it. The problem isn't entirely with DJI or the company. I would say that I, as a presenter, can be less critical in the ways that I am. The things I look at and consider are not typical for their audience...but I personally think those specifics are very important as I know much of my audience does.

[@benmintz3188]

Make more videos. Please.

[@gitech7450]

Groovy :)