Duggars #5 | Josh's prison phone, Jessa's D&C, plus Jinger & Girl Defined

[@annmariebymorning]

Jesse does not seem to understand that there are women with non viable pregnancies, where the heart is still beating but the fetus will never be able to live outside the womb, who have NOT been able to get the same procedure she did because it’s considered an abortion. So she is very blessed to have been able to choose that procedure, even though she doesn’t support the same for others.

[@teacherchristina6651]

Jessa would have continued the pregnancy in that situation. She wouldn’t have supported the decision to terminate for herself as that would not be an option for her.

[@rebekahdavis5935]

Yes thank you, she IS a hypocrite for THIS reason. We understand the baby was already dead but she and her family helped to make this same procedure illegal for women in other states who now have had to go through the horrifying weeks of your baby rotting inside of you to the point it is causing bruises all over the stomach. It's absolutely horrific to do this to women, that fact that SHE doesn't or WON'T understand this is absolutely selfish and disgusting.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

@@teacherchristina6651 it’s the fact that if that were the case SHE would have CHOSEN that for HERSELF. SHE does not get to CHOOSE for OTHER. PEOPLE.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

@@rebekahdavis5935 right, and honestly, I don’t even care if these people refuse to acknowledge what you just said. Like they are just sick. They need to get tf out of political discourse and in a therapist’s office.

[@AppleStrawberryLove]

I think it's actually more useful to bring up cases where someone did have a miscarriage but it didn't pass out of the body and became a risk to the mother. The mother could not get the procedure she did because even though the fetus was dead, it could still be considered an abortion so medical professionals waited until the mother could not be saved. That is far more important and something that could change her mind. To say "hey, someone could be in your position, have something go wrong after the miscarriage and need this DNC but be denied it out of fear of prosecution. You could have had a completely different outcome due to the very laws you have been advocating. If you don't like that, you may need to reconsider your stance and start listening to medical professionals who have been saying 'this situation happens and these laws tie our hands.'" I think rather than focusing on cases that differ too much, to create cognitive dissonance and that moment of reconsidering, you need to pick cases where it is nearly identical to hers and show how the medical staff put the legal ramifications first and how, if it had been her, she'd be dead right now.

[@Fundieamericangirldollkit]

“I’m not brainwashed just ask my dad” was the absolutely perfect way to end it

[@tokiobabe99]

What a beautiful quote lol

[@aphroditejo2762]

Soooo funny.. I died

[@ArtGirl82]

It's almost like they have no self awareness lol Maybe he should stop exclusively hanging around with other IBLP home-schooled kids and the people who brainwashed them

[@MamaDoctorJones]

Love your content! I’m a vehemently pro choice Obgyn licensed for providing these procedures in Texas. To be clear, d&c as a procedure is NOT illegal (or on docket) in any state. This dialogue, as it unfolded on Twitter and the misinformation and confusion that followed, harms the goal of getting our rights back. We will not win if we fight against a stance they don’t actually hold. My full thoughts and why I hold them as someone immersed in this world daily is on my page. Do not let them make our position appear unpalatable. The extreme right does not get a monopoly on empathy for pregnancy loss.

[@rosemariecawkwell2233]

I've just watched this video and now I'm watching yours, MDJ. I think they work well together.

[@saggguy7]

MDJ x FF collab when

[@JacquieOhhh]

Love to see you here!!! ❤❤

[@beyondsection17]

Yes Mama Dr Jones!!! Coming on here to say exactly what I was going to say but with the added benefit of you actually being an expert. :)

[@saramichelle6070]

THIS EXACTLY ITS D&C AFTER MISCARRIAGE...ZERO TO DO WITH ABORTION. ZERO

[@becklong5111]

At 31:00, when she mentions her dad didn’t join ATI because he didn’t want to shave his beard, it’s… almost like… he didn’t want his body being regulated by his religion. Huh.

[@bornyesterday4229]

Yep, the beard rule was the bridge too far.

[@elizabethmetz8386]

This is wild, because my parents didn’t join ATI for the EXACT SAME REASON!!

[@indiciaobscure]

that stood out to me too. Endless pregnancies? No biggie. But god forbid he should have to make a concession.

[@mshan1495]

I love how Jinger talks about “man-made religions” as if all religions aren’t man-made.

[@cecesmith6229]

Seriously 🤦‍♀️

[@ArtGirl82]

I don't know if you noticed, but we're not working with a pair of Rhodes scholars here. These two ding dongs only THINK that two GED's and a youtube channel, equal a couple of masters degrees in comparative religion. 🙄

[@celiseballow7443]

My dad was in that prison in Texas. It was terrible. I love that for josh.

[@poetryclub1117]

amazing thank u for sharing this tidbit it's very pleasing to me. hope ur dad's okay now tho!

[@odessa6390]

@@poetryclub1117 girl wtf he could be a rapist or something he was in prison

[@dominicfucinari1942]

By the way, how *does* Seagoville's solitary hole stand itself out from others as particularly bad conditions? I've heard about how Florence ADX works, but how about Seagoville?

[@poetryclub1117]

@@odessa6390 that's true, idk by the way it was worded it just sounded like the opposite so i was just trying to be nice

[@theresafeeney2756]

Oh yes, they don’t play around in Texas!

[@corinnewillett7012]

Something that may have been missed by those who don't know. Jessa mentions that she talked with her doctor about "taking something" and letting the miscarriage process at home. That drug she's talking about is the same drug she's trying to get banned with all her anti-abortion crap. One of it's uses is for people who have had a missed miscarriage and don't want to, or it isn't safe to, let it process on it's own. She had options. The same options she's trying to stop from being available.

[@nataliepaad1869]

Conservatism in a nutshell.

[@katd3340]

I live in Texas. I had a miscarriage last fall and THE VERY FIRST THING I thought when i found out that the baby stopped growing was to wonder if I was going to have to go to another state to get the care that I needed (which was a D&C, because the thought of waiting it out at home and in pain was the most horrific thing I could imagine), and I started looking at which states were options.. I didn’t think about what I or my partner might be going through emotionally, or how it might affect my well-being in the coming weeks and months. I was ONLY concerned with how much worse it was going to get before it would get better and what I might be forced to go through based on our new laws - I was scared. And I was pissed. Fortunately, I have the means and support and privilege to be able to find an alternate solution, but many people do not. And MORE FORTUNATELY, Texas pleasantly surprised me and I was able to get my procedure without much pushback since the pregnancy had clearly ended, but it is not fair that I had to feel that fear above all other emotions during such a confusing time.

[@Jackieb741]

I’m so sorry ❤️

[@Swissmiss8899]

My heart is with you. Thank you for sharing your experience

[@Julia-bl1qp]

I had the exact same thing happen to me. My baby was dead for 3 weeks before I found out. My intake form at the hospital used the medical term for a missed miscarriage- missed abortion. My doctor was surprised that I wasn’t septic yet. I’m grateful for it, I could have had a multitude of possible outcomes, but I went on to have a healthy baby a year later. To deny another person the choice of how to handle it is playing god with another person’s life. I won’t be responsible for that, you decide what is best for you. These people are the absolute worst with their hypocrisy and double standards. Pro choice doesn’t mean pro abortion, it means I won’t take your choice from you. I will fight for your right to decide what happens to your body.

[@devonsimone2891]

Say it louder for those in the back!!!

[@thepanpiper7715]

Wanted to say thanks for sharing your experiences - I'm sorry that you had that happen to you, but I've glad you were able to have a healthy little one. Hope you're both doing well.

[@CEH477]

A missed or spontaneous abortion is not the same as an elective abortion. D&C procedures are not outlawed in any states in this scenario…only in the instance of elective abortion procedures, which did not apply to you or Jessa.

[@jfm14]

​@@CEH477 And yet, people in similar scenarios are being denied anyway. I'm so tired of ya'll telling us such things aren't happening when we're seeing with our own eyes in our families and communities. You need to look at the vague ways in which these laws were written and how they're being applied, not just the claimed intent behind them.

[@CEH477]

@@jfm14 I work in healthcare. People are not being denied D&Cs in this type of scenario.

[@tabbypurrkins9129]

A D&C is often necessary after a miscarriage. I'm finally getting it through my Catholic head that abortion is healthcare.

[@annagarnet1232]

I’m Catholic too. It’s perfectly fine according to the Church to have a D&C after a miscarriage. It’s not considered an abortion. I had one last year in a way for the doctor to see if there was a reason why I couldn’t get pregnant.

[@schroeder847]

@@annagarnet1232 I believe this comment is addresing that perfectly fine in the Catholic Church does not mean it’s not an abortion. My MMC/d+c is listed as an abortion in my medical file and it important to understand that the line between life and death, and even viable and not viable- when it comes to a fetus are not nearly as defined as the discourse around access to abortion suggests.

[@FearMyLadyBits]

problem is that many doctors/ hospitals in the states that outlawed abortions don't want to risk a lawsuit or prosecution for performing a d&c even for "natural" miscarriages. I also heard a utah doctor saying she had to specify which pharmacy her patients get their prescriptions filled at, because the meds to help a woman through a miscarriage are the same meds used for abortions (the drug makes the placenta detach from the uterus so it doesn't stay in the body and rot), and some people like to judge why you're taking it.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@FearMyLadyBits Why do theocratic politicians even want those feti rotting inside reproductive systems in the first place?!

[@sayhello5377]

A D&C after a miscarriage is not an abortion. That’s the whole point. It’s the name of the procedure that removes the baby from the mother’s uterus. But in a miscarriage, the baby is already dead and starting to rot (just wouldn’t come out naturally), vs in an abortion, the baby is killed by the procedure. Apples and oranges.

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

Josh still thinks he's above the law. Jessa, rather than reflect on why everyone might be so upset about the loss of reproductive rights, chose to be defensive instead. Jinger is not free.

[@LeafHuntress]

Jed is not brainwashed, just ask his dad. ;-)

[@amyyyamy]

That summarizes it!

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

​@LeafHuntress I forgot about Jed 😂

[@melissataylor7349]

A perfect summary

[@lorianabanana6066]

THIS. Jinger left one cult for a slightly less strict one. Still meets most of the BITE model.

[@floraposteschild4184]

Yes, Jessa, your D & C is the only moral D & C. Of course.

[@Julia-bl1qp]

And the fact that she and her doctor decided that the pills weren’t a good option for her. She’s acknowledging that she had the option to use the abortion pills, but chose to take the surgical route. Because that is what is best for her. Nobody else decided that for her. She *chose* what she wanted to do, in order to handle an extremely difficult situation, in the best way for her. It’s unbelievable to me that I fight for her right to choose, but she’s fighting to take mine and yours away from us. Even though she made the choice, she’s fighting against us having the same options. I’m not fighting for a forced abortion, I’m fighting for choice. Like Jessa enjoyed. Why women actively vote against their own best interest and others, absolutely baffles me. They are actively saying women are not equal, and are unable to make decisions for themselves. I’m fighting for her, but she’s fighting against me and you. It’s really sad and scary.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

“Rules for thee, not for me”

[@bingo7829]

My abortion is the moral abortion 🙄

[@amandawhitney6255]

@@Sarah-re7cg that was a much more efficient way to say what I wanted to😂😂👍

[@Sarah-re7cg]

@@amandawhitney6255 KZbinr mickey atkins says it often lol I know she’s not the original person who said it but I’d like to still credit where I heard it 😛

[@amethyst5512]

Jinger has switched from the cult she grew up in to the cult of her husband. She is not truly free, she has simply switched from following the dictates of one man to another. I don’t even know if she has the capacity to consider thinking for herself & going to therapy. Ironically, it is her sister Jill who seems to really be the rebel of the family so far. People had her pegged as the one of the least likely to stray. Just shows how little you can really tell about people on reality shows.

[@riossloth]

I feel really sorry for Jessa having to go through that. That being said, it was really hard for me not to comment on her video about how lucky she was to be able to have a legal abortion in her state in spite of her and her family’s views.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

@@willowbeecher1711 it’s actually not though. They are trying to outlaw all abortions any time. And this is exactly the fucking issue because you can’t fucking treat peoples uteruses like a crime scene and people shouldn’t be there anyways. Forcing someone to remain pregnant is FUCKED. UP/

[@Sarah-re7cg]

Oh, to that woman: it’s also impossible because spontaneous miscarriages take place and you can’t tell if it was just a miscarriage or whatever. That’s the point. The point is to police women’s body. Please stop being so dense on this.

[@lyndora33864]

A D&C after a miscarriage is NOT an abortion. It will never be an abortion. I don't know where the fuck you pro-choice liars got that pile of bullshit.

[@andreamekel1784]

Jessa did NOT have an abortion!! Stop saying that

[@emilyg8397]

@@andreamekel1784 medically, she actually did (I work as an RN in a maternal health clinic). That’s why the demonisation of the term Abortion is so ridiculous. Abortions save lives!

[@lyss5905]

I’m from Ct. about 13 years ago my moms friend had a miscarriage and needed a D&C. She had to fight insurance companies, doctors and crazed anti abortion activists to get this life saving procedure done. Eventually after weeks of frustration and heartbreak she was able to receive it but that doesn’t diminish the lasting trauma she now has from that hardship even after have 2 successful pregnancies. Anti abortion laws unfortunately cannot exist with exceptions. Abortions need to be safe and legal to save lives

[@jaimeevoth4807]

EXACTLY. My baby was stillborn in 2021 at 24 weeks, and I'm in Canada, so my OB gave me "abortion pills" as part of my induction, same day I had my last scan. I've heard of others in my situation who were denied the medication by pharmacists because of personal beliefs, or accused of lying about their baby having died in order to have a sneaky abortion, commit a crime, etc. Imaging dealing with that on top of losing your very wanted baby! Sometimes it's not just about "I can't have a baby right now" (which is also a super understandable situation). Outlawing abortion affects EVERYONE.

[@MotherMagenta]

I became an atheist 8 years ago after being southern Baptist. I'm a Boomer so I can't come out if you will... you and James have helped me feel that I am not the only atheist 59 year old. What you do means more than you guys know. ✌️☮️🕊

[@bluester7177]

You're not the only one and there is nothing wrong with changing your mind when you're older, we are always growing and changing and deconstruction can take a long time.

[@sarahshroom]

hope it helps some too to know that my mother is turning 59 this year and she's an atheist! 😊

[@Aelffwynn]

I know a lot of boomer atheists and agnostics! You're not alone. Maybe you don't feel safe or comfortable "coming out" to your main circle of friends and family, but there are a lot of communities that would welcome you with open arms. I wish you all the best! 💜

[@MotherMagenta]

@Aelffwynn thank you so much for your kind words. It really does mean a lot. Have a great weekend! ✌️☮️🕊

[@MotherMagenta]

@sarahbushnell1160 does she wanna hang out?? Lol Thank you for taking the time to post. It really means a lot. Have a great weekend! ✌️☮️🕊

[@Will0wFire]

I had a silent miscarriage about 8 weeks, but we only discovered this 2 weeks later as I became ill. The D&C was performed to prevent a potentially fatal infection because my body was not releasing the dead foetus. It was pretty traumatic and a very lonely experience. To be clear, a D&C is a life saving procedure.

[@CEH477]

Also not an abortion. Your pregnancy had already ended, as Jessa’s had as well.

[@Will0wFire]

@It’s Me Not an abortion, but the procedure is the same, as mentioned in the video, with implied criticism for Jessa having undergone the procedure.

[@CEH477]

@@Will0wFire the point is that it is not outlawed anywhere when utilized in the context of a spontaneous abortion.

[@GreenGorgeousness]

​@@CEH477 doctors who have been threatened with legal action wait until you have sepsis before performing it. Stop being obtuse.

[@CEH477]

@@GreenGorgeousness Doctors are not being threatened with anything in this type of scenario. Stop being hyperbolic and spreading a false narrative.

[@charmedlife1990]

Thank you! I have been saying society puts other words to abortion to make themselves feel better and we should just call it what it is. I support Jessa's right to choose, I just wish she recognized that ALL pregnant people should have the same rights and choices as her WITHOUT having to jump through so many hoops for care that keeps them healthy.

[@hellostranger9742]

She didn’t CHOOSE to end her baby’s life though, it’s different

[@charmedlife1990]

@Hello Stranger at the end of the day she had an abortion. The reasoning may be different, but that doesn't mean she has anymore or less right than any other pregnant person to decide what happens to and within their own body.

[@therandomgirl5590]

@@charmedlife1990 it’s only an abortion if her baby was alive before the D&C. Her babies heart stopped beating I think like 3 weeks before. That’s not an abortion.

[@riossloth]

@@hellostranger9742 it was a choice to have the cells removed from her uterus so that she could safely end her pregnancy. That was her right and all people deserve that same right.

[@saragarska6335]

​@@therandomgirl5590the medical term for miscarriage is spontaneous abortion. It's literally the term for it.

[@damarislindner1543]

I get so angry hearing the "Gothard's girls" stuff. When I was 14, I was personally interviewed by Bill Gothard at a journey to the heart conference. I remember the change in his demeanor when he read that my father had just passed away the year prior. Just guess what I look like. Blonde hair and petite. He asked .e to stay after the conference ended. It makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. He also went after my cousin a year or 2 later. I'm lucky I wasn't able to stay, but God I feel for all the girls he got his disgusting hands on.

[@ababyharpseal6534]

"Even children know the difference between D&Cs and abortion!" Well, Ben and Jessa, why don't you go tell that to the doctors who have stopped performing even medically necessary D&Cs for reasonable fear of legal action? Or, better yet, to the legislators that are effectively forcing these medical professionals to deny treatment? I'm sure that would clear it right up for them!

[@sheilanixon913]

Ireland changed the law after an Indian doctor living there miscarried one of twins . The Doctor refused to allow her to have a D@C to remove the second dead twin , and she died after 5 months of pregnancy of sepsis. In Muslim countries a baby is only viewed as a living person after four and a half months of pregnancy , so a D@C before that is not a crime. IN Texas if someone gets the morning after pill, the result would be a natural abortion/miscarriage.

[@janinegordley1133]

Brilliant! 👏👏👏 💯

[@coda3223]

​@@sheilanixon913 pretty sure the morning after pill prevents ovulation, it doesn't cause a miscarriage/abortion because it doesn't work if an egg has already been released. My understanding is that pregnancy only happens if the zygote implants.

[@Kellyc888]

*TW Pregnancy loss* I personally have had three miscarriages, or abortions either term is fine, and I am stridently pro choice. Many people around the world had elective abortions at the same time I was having my miscarriages and I am so SO happy for them. I cannot fathom a person having to go through a pregnancy if that isn't want they truly want. Even as I strive to keep my pregnancies I will continually fight for others to have the right to end theirs.

[@caseyw.6550]

You're a gem. Sending you all the best on your journey. ❤️

[@Cheirosa81]

👍

[@SadisticSenpai61]

I can't remember which state it was, but they recently passed legislation that would mean every miscarriage would be treated like a possible abortion and investigated to determine whether or not it was "intentional." And ofc that same state has also outlawed abortions and getting an abortion carries a criminal charge. So Jessa should consider herself lucky that she doesn't live in that state (I think it's AL?). Can you imagine dealing with a miscarriage of a wanted pregnancy, getting arrested, and then having to prove to a judge that you did actually want the pregnancy and you didn't intentionally cause a miscarriage? It's even more galling when one considers the fact that 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage.

[@rebekahdavis5935]

Yes, this horrifying and it's hard to believe it's even happening... I would leave that state but I hope people fight to change this

[@margaesperanza]

My close friend went though a traumatic miscarriage. The fetus didn't have a heartbeat anymore, she was given medication so her body could "expel" the fetus. It was so hard on her physically and emotionally, I cannot imagine these other women going through the same thing while being investigated for a crime. That's ridiculous.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

Dystopian. So dystopian.

[@jwoolman5]

I think the percentage of miscarriages is even higher. An old Merck Manual for physicians in the 1950s indicated at least 50% of conceptions ended in miscarriage. I've seen higher estimates in more recent times. It's a very rocky road to birth for a zygote, most don't make it. Many of the miscarriages may not be recognized because they happen so early, in the attachment phase. And a six week old embryo does not have a heart beat because it doesn't have a heart, only primitive cardiac cells. We look pretty much like any other mammal at that stage and for some time after. The politicians making these laws are being deliberately stupid and medically ignorant. They should at least look at the sad experience of Romania with abortion and contraception bans under Ceausescu.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@jwoolman5 What beef do theocrats have with gynaecologists?! It's already obvious they don't believe in any concept of godliness they promote, but it also sounds like they want to use their political power to settle some strange kind of score.

[@juliemiller6966]

I had the same reaction to Jessa’s news… empathy but also the hypocrisy.

[@teacherchristina6651]

I don’t understand how it’s hypocrisy. Disagreement, absolutely yes - but not hypocrisy. If the baby is already dead it can be removed - that is a miscarriage. If it’s still alive (even if it’s not “viable”) she does not believe in ending the pregnancy.

[@floral-smoke]

@@teacherchristina6651 Doesn't matter. Abortion is the removal of a fetus from a womb. That is what happened. Hypocrite and disgusting.

[@cim6205]

@@teacherchristina6651 a D and C is still technically an abortion.

[@GBfanatic15]

@@teacherchristina6651 and in some stated women are being arrested when they have miscarriages to discover whether it was done intentionally or not...how is that okay?

[@maybemablemaples2144]

​@@teacherchristina6651 did you not see in the news how many women got turned away? How an 11 year old girl had to leave her state in order to get rid of her r*pist's child? And how they tried to get the doctor, who saved this child's life btw, arrested and jailed? Janet get with it people are dying. Potential parents are dying before they even get to have another child.

[@bird6378]

Please talk about John MacArthur. I grew up in a church that was heavily influenced by him. They were heavily into predestination to the point of "I've just accepted that some of my children haven't been chosen". I became disillusioned because I believed I wasn't one of the chosen and there was nothing I could do. I was so angry with God for making me sentient then predestin-ing me to hell. They would excommunicate anyone who got divorced for any reason (except the pastor's son).

[@dirtbagdeacon]

Supposedly John Wesley once said that predestination makes God worse than the devil, which is part of the reason I am Methodist, not Calvinist. Not that we don't have problems as a denomination (the crypto-Southern Baptists are rage quitting and starting their own denomination), but at least predestination isn't one of them!

[@bethanygreenwood8655]

SAME!!! In Australia

[@DarkMatterVisible]

Pregnancy loss TW: 7:48 Begins here 10:17 tweets and discussion about pregnancy loss and abortion begins here 16:34 warning ends here

[@PaintedSpirit]

Thank you! ❤

[@JL0ndon]

I grew up at grace community church. If you ever need to interview someone who went from the 90s to the 2000s my mom went to a class called “how to be the wife of a happy husband” and was told to be stay in my moms abusive relationship. I also spent a lot of time at the masters college. I have a lot of friends who are lgbtq or have left grace, so if you need sources I’d be happy to put you in contact

[@BigBadVooDooMama]

I will never not be entertained by the way Jinger says "Je-sayus".

[@T.Dee28]

I haven’t noticed it lol I gotta look back now 🤣🤣

[@ambermchugh9381]

It sounds so fake. Like a space man not someone who has said or thought the name 500 times a day since birth. She seems to have that RELIGIOUS SPECIOSITY ie that Jordan mentioned on mormon stories podcast. It must be exhausting to think that someone or something is really listening and reacting up there.

[@abbywood9555]

i’m honestly shocked that kristen is asking original well thought out questions

[@TipTheScales27]

I was shocked too! Especially with questions about Josh!

[@Blake1720]

I hate the answers though. Has she not learned by now that scripture won’t help her brother?! Smh. It’s a bunch of hoopla!!

[@LeafHuntress]

I think it’s because she can relate to something for once. Normally she is hampered by a lack of experience, while at the same time also lacking the emphatic abilities to really connect to others. Which means she falls back on the rules of her religious upbringing & those are as they discussed actually horrid & nonsensical. Now imagine if she hadn’t been brought up that way, she might’ve made a halfway decent local journalist.

[@thais_cdm]

I will give her that her question about Josh was much more thoughtful than some others I've seen clips on. I still think it's kinda gross to insist on asking her that in interviews, but this was the least worst way to do it that I've seen so far.

[@VioletSadi]

The thumbnail looks like a Brady bunch thing? So for you: Here's the story Of a lovely lady Looking into awful scumbags on the net She'd made five videos All amazing The last one not out yet.

[@margyritchie2702]

The afraidy bunch that's the way we became the afraidy bunch😮

[@gracetaylor6309]

Omg Kristen is low key so smug that she didn’t get exposed to Bill Gothard because her dad wanted to have a beard. Lucky you, Kristen.

[@scarletbitch866]

I got such an icky feeling from that- Gothard changing the rules so he can get closer to a naive, pretty, blonde girl. 🤮

[@amethyst5512]

@@scarletbitch866 unfortunately, very on brand for all the fundamentalists of every religion. Change the rules to take advantage of whoever you want to.

[@dachshunddadbob6765]

Kristen is cute! I'm sure ol Gothard wanted her in the church so he could play with her; hence look the other way for her dad having a beard!

[@Molly97614]

A ten year old girl in my city had to travel to a different state to get a life saving abortion. You never fail to disappoint me, Ohio.

[@myowncelestial5017]

I hope you are doing well.

[@grace-4072]

yall are SICK having this premiere as soon as my long distance bestie gets here !! I wanna watch this asap!!!

[@kimberly6663]

Watch with your bestie, convert her to a Jennonite 😎

[@siphonophorespiral]

Have fun with your friend!!!!!!!

[@ErinH-430]

Thank you for saying it’s the correct medical terminology. I have been saying it for years and only people who have experience experience in medicine will agree.

[@laurenconrad1799]

She’s ok with SOME birth control? Groundbreaking. 😒

[@TehMomo_]

Probably just condoms and ONLY the pill if it's medically necessary... *eye roll*

[@mewmew6158]

Lol 😭

[@applecrispies1794]

Im really curious what she deems to be acceptable, and how she makes the distinction? Like what is the logic? Pills are ok but something like an IUD isn’t because it goes inside you? No hormonal BC?

[@katla_phc]

@@applecrispies1794 I would assume they (incorrectly) believe that certain birth controls cause “abortions” by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting. While hormonal birth control blocks ovulation from occurring, it is incorrectly thought that the main process is the implantation prevention. So condoms, copper iud, diaphragm, etc are fine but bc pills or hormonal iud isn’t.

[@Tazzie1312]

@@applecrispies1794 Wild guess, but probably condoms or a copper IUD but no hormonal birth control because they tell themselves that hormonal BC can cause abortions.

[@carkeyable]

Also clinically, the result of miscarriage and/or a D&C is called "product".

[@loiscassels8966]

It’s “products of conception”.

[@AlanCanon2222]

You should do one on Alexander Ryan Blackwelder, of East Main Church of Christ in Tupelo Mississippi, just arrested for sex with a 16 year old church member. The media calls him a youth pastor, but the Church of Christ insists on specific language so I'm surprised they're not raising a ruckus that he's not called a "youth minister". Held without bond. His father, Mark Alan Blackwelder, is a dean at Freed-Hardeman University, a Church of Christ college in Henderson, Tennessee. The name of N. B. Hardeman has come off of several of their buildings in recent year because he was a hard core racial segregationist. These people are like the IFB without the Baptist part.

[@merricat3025]

That would be good to cover. Never heard of them

[@lenorapentecost5156]

I grew up in the CoC and would love to see any of the scandals covered here. It was a nightmare growing up in there.

[@hannahmaharrey1490]

Y'all, I'm from Tupelo... Can't believe this has made it to the Fundie Friday comment section. I would love to see a video from Jen and James about this!

[@laurabowles]

YES. Jen - please please please do a video on the COC. I grew up in that denomination and I would be more than happy to chat and give you any info you need on background, where to start with research, etc. I am just waiting for the COC to get some attention like the IFB/IBLP. It is just as harmful but flies under the radar.

[@miahlee211]

Contact me if you wanna discuss the church of Christ from a Former minister’s perspective. They are fundies in their own way.

[@TheNightBook]

The "thank you Michelle" killed me 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Sarah-dv1eh]

💀💀💀💀I loveeeeeed it

[@McRambleOn]

YAAAAASSS!!! 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼 SOO funny 😆

[@HaleyVlogz]

Bill Clinton: *grabs a child’s hair to stop his fall* Jinger: “That’s New York City, baby 😏”

[@JacquieOhhh]

He mistook her for Cousin It…

[@sararao8429]

Jessa's husband needs to get a consistent job so Jessa doesn't need to share everything for some funds

[@furiscafynn6275]

Right? I had a similar thought of 'Christ, imagine putting your most traumatic life incidents as they happen out there for whatever reason.' I imagine she's used to a lack of privacy, but jeez...

[@malloryrosales1974]

He gives me the weirdest vibes and the strong, hardworking, provider is not one of them

[@danielle6002]

13:32 just for some friendly information a D&C is a common OB/GYN procedure. It is not only used for miscarriages or abortions however. It is also used to help diagnose different uterine issues. For example, why a woman may be bleeding heavily and/or excessively.

[@carterjames3894]

i grew up in the church founded by John MacArthur's father (Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, CA). When my ex best friend was SEVERELY injured in a car accident (we were both in the car w one other person) on the way to classes at his university, he said he'd help with her recovery (that man is a multimillionaire). He never helped her. He "prayed" for her and that was it. We were all left to pay for our medical bills (hers ended up being literally over a million dollars in medical bills)

[@lulahbelle970]

"according to Jeremy" ought to be the title of her books

[@Shayne_9]

I’m from the town right next to Seagoville Texas and I had no idea that he was there! I’ve seen the prison hundreds of times in my life. That prison is known to be sketchy and intimates are prone to getting things smuggled in. Btw you pronounced it pretty much right! See-goe-vill

[@katelyn.l]

I know we’re not fans of Kristin but her interview was honestly way better than ABS and I loved seeing Jinger’s body language open up to her when talking about about gothard

[@timewarpblackhole]

The fact that josh was willing and ready to throw someone else in prison to cover his ass isn't surprising in the slightest

[@akiramado9198]

I'm not a nerd for religion. I just need to be exposed to smart and empowering people like you and your significant other. You two give me faith in humanity.

[@shay494]

The Duggar really be doing it all to keep our girl paid, lmafo

[@marlowemayhem3230]

I'm not brainwashed, just ask my dad! 🤣 Epic!

[@A7X_Stan]

There’s nothing like getting high and crocheting while a new fundie Friday’s video plays in the background :)

[@marandazilk3175]

I had an incomplete miscarriage aka spontaneous/natural partial abortion. It is hard to think you're eight-ten weeks pregnant and your baby is dead. It is one of the worst emotional pains a woman can go through. When Jessa said, "what do we do now? Where do we go from here?" I said, out loud, "You cry. You have a d&c. You act like you're okay. You go home. You cry.....a lot."

[@bethmoore7722]

I had two miscarriages in my 20s, and on my chart, they were described as “spontaneous abortions.” It happens in 1 in 4 pregnancies.

[@danieltodd6703]

Im not brainwashed just ask my dad - KILLED ME

[@soco1895]

*duggars on israel trip clip* “I don’t know why they’re there, but Im sure they’re going to do something offensive” I’m cackling. Might wake my roommate. They are 100% going to do something absolutely tasteless and offensive and they’re gonna act like it shows their appreciation for Judaism. Girl bye

[@Happytravellerkimmy]

Old men and women in the US government are playing with the lives of people who can become/ are pregnant. We should never forget the Irish woman Savita Halappanavar. She is why reproductive rights are so important.

[@tropezando]

That Godly audio of machinery white noise humming in the background. Every fundie couch video, I swear

[@AdriRen]

I had a D&C in October (I live in Texas btw my doctors were great and very understanding).. I found out at my 12 week appointment my baby had stopped growing at 10 weeks they had no heartbeat.. it was a very traumatic experience it was my first pregnancy (unplanned and unexpected- I have pcos and have been married 2 years). I didn’t know what to do at first the doctor gave me options of a d&c or I could naturally pass or take medicine to help it pass but those risk infection and not getting all of the pieces of the pregnancy out. I should have scheduled it right away but thought for a few days and the day I scheduled the procedure I started bleeding. The next day was the procedure and I started cramping so bad I went to the ER at 9am and started gushing blood out I was writhing in pain for hours morphine barely helped the pain.. I had the procedure around 1 pm once I woke up I felt 1000000xs better I finally had relief and closure. It’s such a hard choice to make and I still think about where I’d be if my baby was alive.. my due date was April 22nd 😢

[@dr.gwendolyncarter]

❤️

[@janinegordley1133]

Does anyone else think that Girl Defined is dangerous? It is seriously scary how many followers they have. Not that the Duggars aren’t worse!!! Just Girl Defined creeps me out. We need the OPPOSITE message going to young women.

[@squash6497]

Jinger and Kristen are the definition of getting SO CLOSE to self awareness, then taking a sharp turn far far away

[@debrastrayer8600]

I had 2 DNCs because the fibre tissue in my uterus was causing too much blood & cramps. My periods were lighter and not very painful for years afterwards each time. I would become anemic and bedridden for 2-3 days every month that caused me to miss work.

[@litneyloxan]

11:49 jessa fails to realize it would be illegal for her to even have the d&c in some states is the message of the bigger picture. She wouldn’t have been able to have the procedure whatsoever and go to a different state if she lived in Louisiana where I do. Ignorance is bliss for them

[@lindsayrdub]

Always so impressed by how much work you do and how damn kind you are, Rev!

[@cedardryad]

There is speculation that it was one of Anna's kids. She had visited him and refused to let the guards search the child she brought. So due to that, it's assumed that Anna brought the phone in and had their kid hold it.

[@madis4913]

I know this is the US prison system we’re talking about, but HOW in hell is he allowed to see his children considering what he was convicted of?

[@cedardryad]

@@madis4913 as long as he's supervised. He was still being allowed to visit them before he was imprisoned in the meantime. I think they were telling him no, but Anna did end up having them visit because he was being watched. 🙄

[@Blake1720]

With a flat tone: “I don’t know why they are there, but I’m sure they are going to do something offensive.” Idk why that was so funny to me 😂

[@aquachonk]

And "fancy sex crime attorney" is instantly my favorite quote of the day. Hold on..."creepy gross sex-pest" is now in the running....

[@BipolarIbarelyknowher]

So, it's incredibly hard to hear Kristen talk about meeting Gothard and not understanding that he was willing to change the rules for her father so that she, a young blonde impressionable girl, would be involved in his church. The same characteristics of the girls he abused. She remembers it as a funny story.

[@Dallhouse53]

I’ve never been pregnant but had to have a D and C to remove polyps that were confusing my cycle. The procedure is also used to remove fibroids. Should be available with no restrictions for all who need it.

[@liltrooper29]

I'm literally so depressed and seeing this upload made me breath a mental sigh of relief that I have something interesting to divert my attention towards for 34 minutes. Thank you.

[@robinaughney6750]

“I’m not brainwashed, just ask my dad” PLEASE

[@java2guava]

Just finished half-listening to the audiobook- I’ve never been more ready for a premiere! ✌🏼

[@sandrae2398]

how was it in your opinion? preachy?

[@java2guava]

Not really preachy, in my opinion, just fairly repetitive and I wished she went deeper with the topics she wrote about. I felt it was like a “prequel” to what could have been a deep dive. Some of her stories were pretty poignant and vulnerable, but overall nothing too surprising

[@java2guava]

Edit: I did pick up some “judge-y” vibes towards deconstructionists, but that wasn’t a surprise. She also talked about brokenness a fair amount, which aligns w/ Calvinism POVs

[@WileyRatliff]

The, “Thank you Michelle” at the end was unexpected and the soda I was drinking went through my nose. Damn

[@flafflingforfun]

She was able to make a healthcare decision between her and her doctor. There are millions of women right now who are being forced to prove their miscarriage was natural and not an attempted abortion. Women have been arrested for it. Her being so out of touch that she was allowed to do what others aren't has to be called out as tactfully as possible. In addition, she's still posting in such a way that she's right but everyone else is an evil woman. Lets say the fetus wasn't dead but was not viable at all or if it was a dire health situation. Would that be another it's ok for her and her doctor? This stuff happens everyday. This is why there's no room for judgement and she's a hypocrite.

[@pumpnix]

The “tHaNk YoU mIcHeLlE” gets me every time 💀💀💀

[@Mysticblue1212]

Just how many times since roe v Wade has been pushed down has someone been legally bound to carry their child who they have miscarried? How many times has their doctor and medical staff been worried that they would be close to death due to septic shock for carrying a deceased child in their belly? Yet they were forced to do so just short of death.

[@bitscrawford]

i recently started reading "jesus and john wayne" based on something you said in a previous video and i just gotta say. they mentioned bill gothard as someone most people outside of evangelical circles don't know and i was like "i know him from fundie fridays!!!"

[@Salt.of.the.hearth]

I felt bad because you going “okay???” To Jessa explaining her first d&c made me laugh. Like not the best time to crack a giggle but it really got me

[@jyt74]

You make such important content, you really do.

[@rebeccaroberie9364]

Losing a baby and having a D&C is awful. I had to sign all these papers about the funeral and on a line that said “mother of decided child”. It made the loss so so much worse

[@queenmotherhane4374]

😢😢😢

[@shannsimms9072]

March 17th is the anniversary of when I found my mom dead. No shit. So I’m glad you’ll be there to brighten that day for me Jen!

[@merricat3025]

Thats sad

[@daynabee5521]

Jen, you are well spoken, empathetic, and passionate about human rights.

[@healingwithart1352]

Jen & James, y’all are a great team!

[@teamneonorange]

“I did grow up under harmful theology.” John MacArthur and the Calvinist theology I grew up under was insanely harmful, too. Out of the frying pan and into the fire for her.

[@jilliansmaniotto2326]

4:27 point of clarification: it’s not an appeal trial. the only trial is the jury trial where he was convicted. trial means live evidence and argument, for findings of facts/law by either a jury or judge. an appeal is just an appeal. it’s a review of the legal rulings - there is no new evidence taken. it is decided by a panel of appellate judges who review the record that was developed at trial based upon the arguments of the attorneys in the briefs, occasionally with oral argument - though oral argument isn’t always necessary, and is more performative than anything.

[@BKLisaP]

Damn how long did that woman talk before she allowed Jinger, her GUEST, to?!!

[@Justamom5512]

I don’t understand why Jessa is sharing this incredibly personal, private moment online for the world to see.

[@yeahreally9185]

Interesting that they're basing Josh's appeal on a technicality. I knew someone facing the exact same charges, with a family just as supportive of him. They tried to argue that the FBI's search of their house (where they found the cp) was unlawful because they didn't have a warrant, so the entire case should be thrown out. It didn't work because the FBI doesn't need a warrant if you _willingly invite them into your home._ He's about 10 years in to his 30-year prison sentence, and his family still maintains that he was framed. I can't imagine what defending a predator for so long must feel like.

[@mamabird2790]

I was waiting for you to pause the video to say that he changed an entire rule to get her. That's what he was after. She fits his type to a T. Talk about a universe where things may have been different for Kristen.

[@QwertyRulz2]

"I'm not brainwashed! Just ask the person accused of brainwashing!"

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

"I'm not brainwashed - ask the person my culture has openly told me to worship as the head of my life until I get married"

[@onegirlarmy4401]

As an evangelical Christian, I've been in John MacArthur "cult" churches. I worry about Jinger exchanging one "high demand" religion for another. I wonder if she's really free 😞

[@lettinggrace]

MacArthur has horrible reviews and it seems very cult like. I hope one day she is truly free. I'm sure it's hard after being brainwashed so much of your life by those harmful teachings.

[@TaylorrTaylorr]

i seriously love your content. your videos have shown me that everything doesn’t have to be modern and sleek to be popular. i love seeing a real person in a real home wearing real close talking about real life events. Thank you for not pretending everything in your life is perfect bc you’re popular on the internet. thank you for being a real human being, with beautiful hair, and amazing content. oh, and i love you and your husband boyfriend fiancé life partner or whatever he is to you! i’ll learn! Just wanted to say thank you for being real raw and honest!

[@theoblongbox4909]

Jesse's on her 5th child already??? Wow. Last I checked in with them, she only had Sturgeon.

[@gayhades9]

Wait is that seriously the kids name

[@gayhades9]

Oh it’s Spurgeon. Whatever the fuck that means ????? Lol

[@sierramay5934]

@@gayhades9 little Spurge!

[@saintnikz]

​@@gayhades9 Likely he was named after Charles H Spurgeon, a calvinist, baptist preacher from the 1800s. When I was a teen, my youth pastor had a dog named Spurgeon...

[@Alyse_bell]

Why do ppl keep naming their children ridiculous names. Other kids are freaking cruel and if you have even a slightly strange sounding name your going to get teased

[@kathrynstockland9049]

Just FYI I’m pretty sure in Texas abortion is completely outlawed (no 6 week rule) except in cases of risk to the pregnant person’s life

[@SadisticSenpai61]

There are religions that have no issue with abortion and don't see it as an independent life until _after_ the child is actually born - Judaism is ironically one of them. In Judaism, the child isn't considered alive until they take their first breath. Just saying. I know, the Pope of the Jews, Ben Shapiro would disagree with that, but Shapiro has spent the majority of his career catering to an evangelical audience and telling them what they want to hear. So forgive me if I don't care what he has to say on the subject.

[@zuzukris4952]

Jen, things have sucked out loud for me lately. To the point of daily tears and not getting sleep, or eating. The stress has been ridiculous! However, watching you and James every week, the work and dedication the two of you put into each video, is a comfort. You’re both amazing, and inspiring, and you let me forget about the stupid shit going on, for a little while. Thank you!! I mean that.

[@AudreyPerry]

Allllll I will say is my parents road to extreme fundamentalism started with John MacArthur and attending his church in California. Blech. Jinger is still absolutely captive, just with different trappings.

[@TaleRavenTarot]

New to your channel since the Shiny Happy People doc (great job btw!) and the no beards thing is always hilarious to me because there's absolutely no scriptural foundation for it, just as there isn't for most of their nonsense. That's one minor point of many issues I have with them, of course, but it makes me laugh.

[@dandelion5410]

Lets be real, Jessa had an abortion. Many people cannot have abortions until the stage of sepsis or AT ALL, yet little miss went right ahead and did it when it suited her. The double standards are so telling!

[@xyz2813]

Not true.

[@irradiated_woman8016]

​@@xyz2813 you do not understand what an abortion is.

[@hellostranger9742]

I was wondering what type of person was not understanding the difference between abortion and miscarriage. I can help you, what questions do you have. Abortion is Intentionally ending fetus life. Miscarriage is fetus no longer growing

[@irradiated_woman8016]

@@hellostranger9742 this is how the terms are colloquially used, but medically you are wrong. Medical definitions are the only ones that matter when we have laws getting rid of or delaying life saving procedures.

[@jerryjackson7517]

@@irradiated_woman8016 and the famous obgyn here on KZbin says it's not. And i can also say it isn't.

[@unpleasanthill]

These people want to ban abortion in all circumstances BUT every time they are brought factual evidence of a case where their laws prevented life-saving care etc. they say that their laws don't ban that and it shouldn't have gotten in the way, it's the doctor's fault, whatever. They are just so full of crap, I don't understand. I don't even think they are really sure what they believe. The mental gymnastics are astounding.

[@Omerta138]

I hope that Jinger has a really good therapist. A part of me feels quite sorry for her, she'll never be truly free.

[@teg9670]

JEN!!! My boyfriend was a member of grace community in Cali for YEARS his family still attends that church, I have so many stories about John and his preaching, my boyf family basically worship him!! He is SCARY

[@arekushisu100]

Gotta say, the hair is looking long and pretty Jen!

[@laurelstankus2227]

As a childhood resident of Hinsdale, IL IBLP was always so creepy. We never saw anyone coming or going, and it was a common teenage dare to creep around campus (not me, noooooo thank you)