Duke Nukem 3D for SEGA SATURN

[@revenantevil]

What are your thoughts on the Saturn version? Did you like the music? What did you think of the graphics? Was I too harsh on the game? Thanks for watching guys, you're the best.

[@ProtoLeague]

I like this version. You were not too harsh. You are welcome glad to support a nice channel

[@mathiasdeschamps1637]

This version has some great light effects ! Awesome

[@BizarePlayer]

Well, there is nothing much to say about graphics. I had a Saturn way back when, and comparing games that were released on PS1 and Sega Saturn, Saturn versions were always noticeably worst looking. I think PS1 versions also ran little bit faster but I could be wrong on that one. Even though Saturn could play 3D games, there were only so much it could do.

[@revenantevil]

That seems a fair thing to say as a general rule. Although I haven't done too much testing. Tomb Raider is one that runs much better on PlayStation, off the top of my head. Duke certainly has a higher framerate on Saturn, but at what cost? :p Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment, means a lot! :) I've done a video on the PlayStation version if you fancy it! Cheers :)

[@steve-mg5iu]

i could never use the urinals in this version to replenish health. no sound animation or anything. was it removed in this version?

[@ScoutCounterAttacks]

Saturn was my first console, lobotomy did magic things with this console

[@OpenMawProductions]

Although it lacks a lot of the props, the levels are often cut down, and there are some odd things/limitations due to the engine change... I'll have to say that Duke Nukem on the Saturn probably plays the best of all three main line ports. At least when you're playing on the original hardware. Duke Nukem on the playstation has such an up and down uncapped framerate that it gets really nasty in some of the bigger maps, and it can get you killed. Plus it has a really rough control sceheme involving button combos for using items and such. Saturn gets around this by putting the inventory int he pause screen, which to some may not be ideal, but it increases the playability factor by a lot. The N64 version completely lacks music, and although some of the changes are fun, the overall tone of the game has shifted away from the gritty dark pseudo noir post apocalyptic vibe from films like Terminator and Escape From New York, and been turned more towards... Last Action Hero? I guess? Not better or worse, per se, but certainly more colorful and bright. The Saturn version, simply put, is the most playable. The pacing of the game is closer to Duke on PC than the other two ports, even though the Playstation version is technically more authentic to the PC origiinal. I'd also have to say I don't think that last point is exactly fair. Yes, it uses the same engine as Powerslave, but that's like saying Half-Life and Quake are the same game because they both run on a version of the Quake engine. All of the gameplay code had to be changed for Duke 3D.

[@revenantevil]

You're probably right about my last point not being entirely fair. But playing the game - it sometimes feels more like Exhumed than Duke - at least it does to me. I do like the inventory being on the pause menu, it's a good solution. I really like what you said about the N64 version being a bit more like Last Action Hero. I totally agree. The lack of music really is unforgivable. I have to disagree about the Saturn version being the best, but it's still a great experience. I enjoyed every minute. :) Thanks for taking the time to write such an epic comment, and thanks for stopping by. :)

[@ALittleSnowFairySaga]

I absolutely agree with this. I too, feel that it is the most playable of the three ports on original hardware. It’s the best to me, N64 comes a close second, and PS1 was a distant 3rd.

[@RetroDeathReviews666]

Finally got a saturn a few weeks ago after years of wanting one, and the first 3 games I got were the Lobotomy Trilogy (Powerslave, Duke 3D, Quake), and I beat them all in about a week or two. Good timing for this video to show up :P Also regardless of its issues, this is my favorite version of Duke 3D outside of the DOS original. Also the thing with the levels is not true, you're comparing the 40ish levels to the atomic edition of Duke 3D. All the console ports had the original game's 3 episodes *without* the 4th one. Saturn Duke only cut the secret levels aside from Launch Facility.

[@OpenMawProductions]

Granted, but the Saturn version of Duke was the latest one to the party, and by the time it came out Atomic Edition was out. And compared to Playstation (which had an entire new episode) and the N64 version (which had original Dukematch levels, and included Duke Burger and Area 51), the Saturn does come up the shortest and leanest in terms of level content. Plus Saturn is the only version to have the levels themselves truncated and scaled down.

[@steve-mg5iu]

@@OpenMawProductions i owned the saturn version back around the year 2000 or so. i can remember that you couldent use the urinals in this version to replenish health. that was enough to piss me off. was it removed in the saturn version?

[@dreak-cz]

Thanks for such deep information about Duke!

[@nickduracell4364]

Nice video man, I' ve never seen the saturn version of duke 3d

[@interestingfacts22319]

Very well made video as always

[@revenantevil]

I appreciate that, thanks for watching! :)

[@seangowdy408]

First played this on the Saturn still to this day it's my favourite version.

[@lancebaylis3169]

I know it was probably outside of the remit, which was to port Duke Nukem 3D as accurately as possible, but given how N64 Duke was upgraded in a lot of ways, I almost wish Saturn Duke had really taken advantage of being 'Exhumed with a Duke skin', and maybe opened up the game world with traversing backwards and forwards across levels, special items or switches in later levels that open areas in the previous ones, etc etc.

[@roberto1519]

Being the first version of Duke 3D we played at home, I have fond memories of this one, still, I don't think you were harsh about this version, we just have many better options today, it does affect how we compare things. The game does have the sway camera option enabled and it just can't be disabled, the PC version allows for you to turn this off, I also think they should have made Duke (camera) to be higher, as the character seems to be small in this version, almost like child Duke. It's possible the three (5th gen) versions of Duke 3D are respectable in their own ways and interesting. I think the 6th gen, and specially from the 7th gen onwards, games were basically carbon copies of one another, but you could take the original Duke 3D and put side by side with the console versions, there will be interesting things to talk about. Even if the first version we had played at home was the Total Meltdown for the PS1, we would had enjoyed it, but we didn't have the console at that time. I think we just enjoyed many things without much effort at that time.

[@DanielLorenzo-kg4sh]

That’s my childhood game … so many memories. Thank you for sharing this

[@enemyplayer]

they had the Sega Pluto prototype running and playable at Portland Retro Game Expo 2022 and I got to play Duke on it. Super decent port: I got decently deep into it until I accidentally blasted a stripper and summoned the hit squad.

[@revenantevil]

That's actually awesome, I'd love to see a Pluto in person! Thanks for sharing :)

[@teranokitty]

Great video! - I've only played a tiny bit of this port. I respect it. You mentioned it's like they built Duke 3D on top of Powerslave, though my mind thinks of it like Duke 3D built on Quake. Powerslave seems very Quake-y (heh, they made that port too, yep). - I think my biggest hangup about the game is that Duke seems to be too small for the environment. For example, at 3:58, I imagine the Duke would need to reach up in order to get his hands in the sinks. It's interesting considering they had to reduce the virtual space volume of most of the architecture, but the scale ends up being too big for poor widdle Duke.

[@kane4340]

I love the look of the original 3d games like this. Never played this, but I do enjoy some Doom!

[@CrashHeadroom]

Great vid! the only thing id say you should maybe change is the music bit. Yes it does sound a bit better on the saturn, however unlike the console versions you can connect a synthisizer or sound card to your pc to make the music sound amazing. Technical I know but I feel to this day it should be talked about, you can make the OST sound like an orchestra is playing it with the right hardware or even software.

[@revenantevil]

I've had people mention this a few times now and I totally understand. I'll try and improve my comparisons, but I'm not really sure how to show that aspect of the music properly just yet. I'm thinking about looking into how the OG version handles music and making a dedicated video about it. I may have to pick up some hardware to do that, so it'll have to wait for a bit unfortunately. But it's definitely interesting (to me anyways), and it would be nice to understand it all a bit better. For now, I'm just taking the music from the Atomic Edition as it plays on my (much better than a 90s) PC. Which may be flawed, but I imagine it's how most people are hearing the game nowadays. I've got a lot to learn though. I'm still new to all this! I promise I'll get better though, you have my word! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Means a lot. Cheers!

[@screencolor.]

I really loved the video! Keep them coming ❤

[@steve64464]

Played many many hours upon this version , Its not perfect but i played it , I bet i can still remember the cheat combinations on all weps/godmode 😀 , I also messed with the game to the extent i crashed it and even blew myself through the wall to be noclipping outside the world. I did get death tank by shooting all the bogs back in the day but i did not set out to do that it just popped up one day or i had a exhumed save file on it i cant remember. I even found a trick/bug to make statues of enemies and permanently shrink them .

[@BEYPlaysGames]

Chaaaaaaaar dude.

[@revenantevil]

CHAR dude! Thanks for stopping by! :)

[@BEYPlaysGames]

@@revenantevil You knows it😎

[@1streviews]

Loved duke nukem growing up 😍

[@Xegethra]

Can always appreciate some Sweet Brown.

[@revenantevil]

Uuuhh? Lmao

[@marqueset.]

Love your conclusion!

[@indask8]

I always get a weird "Uncanny Valley" feeling when I play one of these early FPS game running on a different engine, especially with Duke 3D/Quake on the Saturn. There's also Doom II on GBA (Doom 1 GBA was a source port and felt OK). Snes Doom on the other hand feels ok IMO.

[@revenantevil]

I know what you mean, it's like something's not quite right. Even though it's not the best way to play it, I think it's the engine differences that make it interesting to revisit. I didn't know Doom 2 GBA was using a different engine, but I only ever had the first one. I'll have to look into that! Thanks for stopping by dude! Cheers :)

[@xanshark]

With a good wavetable card, you can get very similar music to the Saturn port's CD tracks, but on the DOS version. I've got a Soundblaster Live! card and it sounds pretty good, but not quite as good as the Saturn. A Roland SC-88 can get pretty darn close, though.

[@revenantevil]

Thanks for the information! I've had a few complaints about how I've handled the music in some of these vids, so I've been trying to learn about Duke 3D's audio and why it sounds so different depending on your setup. I may have to (eventually) pick up some old hardware and run some tests for myself. I'm curious though, what's your favourite way to play Duke? Surely you don't have a sound card set up in a modern PC? Lol Thanks for the comments 🙂

[@xanshark]

@@revenantevil The way I first played Duke3D was through the 20th Edition World Tour on Steam, later on I got ahold of a Dell OEM computer from about 2002 or so with a Pentium 4, and downgraded the OS to Windows 98. I put in a Sound Blaster Live! CT4780 which provides very nice MIDI, Sound Blaster compatibility (through emulation), and EAX sound for Windows games. I now play Duke3D, Shadow Warrior, Blood, etc. using that computer and pure DOS. It took a lot of trial and error to get to where it is now, but it's pretty good at DOS titles from about 1993 and onward, and Windows titles from about 1995-2000. All that computer lacks is a proper video card, all I have at the moment is onboard video by Intel that's pretty slow on Windows titles like Unreal, Quake 3, etc. Also, a CRT is very nice to have, I got one free off of someone I know and while it takes up a bit of space, I think it looks much nicer than LCD's do.

[@turboterminator7]

Makes me want to find a sega Saturn 👍

[@gavindixon15]

Saturn version is my favourite and I’ve played most versions

[@zerstorungdeslichts4706]

Yo! Great review 👍

[@trickyster]

wow nice content bro. keep creating!

[@Theunknownone2978]

I heard of that game before but I just never played it well maybe one day I might play this game

[@insomniav2636]

Old games are very nostalgic

[@shadowytv]

Awesoem video! Keep it up man!

[@RaposaCadela]

I think it's a good version for the time! Back then it'd be unlikely that you'd own both PC and Saturn, and for what it was, where it ran, for its time, I think most players would have been satisfied with this port

[@revenantevil]

Absolutely! For the time, it's absolutely awesome, and even now I think it's still pretty good. I think I may have come across a little too harsh in the video - but I do actually really enjoy the game. It's great fun. Thanks for dropping by!

[@RaposaCadela]

@@revenantevil I think your point came across well, and I agree with the things you said! But, it's not the original. If you put a TAS from DN3D Build playing DN3D Saturn it wouldn't line up at all, for example

[@Aristotle_2000]

I love the 8 bit music

[@ArneChristianRosenfeldt]

How does a portal renderer like DukeNukem3d render doors and gears? Duke shows that GL_REPEAT is important. Also for fields and waves in OutRun. Background in many Amiga games. Strange that none of the first 4 3d consoles did support it.

[@BradPitBrasileiro]

The sound from duke nukem in pc version has VERY MUCH options, like midi, gravissound, soundblaster 16 (default), and the pc in 90s run so slow, its unfair comparison to console in same levels

[@revenantevil]

It's not a scientific comparison by any means, just a bit of fun really :) But you're right! The sound was adaptive to whatever hardware you had in your PC. Really cool feature in itself!

[@Thrackerzod8]

Lobotomy is one crazy ass name ngl.

[@revenantevil]

Fr

[@flamingomelodystars7124]

Omgg what that’s COOL!!! 🎮🎮

[@thatguywithoutahead]

I have to say it's pretty impressive but the tilt while moving would make me hurl I think.

[@showtimeprettyboyblessed8165]

nice video

[@BSzili]

I didn't get the impression that you were bashing Saturn Duke throughout the video, it's not like the criticism was unfair. They had to make a lot of cuts, and what's there is a bit off, but overall it wasn't a terrible way to play Duke3D if you only had a Saturn. It's crazy that Lobotomy managed to recreate the whole game (the first 3 episodes that is) in a completely different engine in such a short time.

[@revenantevil]

Thanks man. I thought there was a chance people might get upset with my criticisms. Being on a different engine, I think the Saturn version is probably the most interesting of the ports. I actually find it fascinating how it looks like Duke 3D, but it kinda isn't? Lol. Which is your favourite port to play? Thanks for watching my videos :)

[@BSzili]

@@revenantevil I like the PSX version because it's the closest to the original. If you get used to the clunky controls and slowdowns it's more or less playable. I never finished Plug 'n' Pray though, f**k the laser tripbombs 😅

[@revenantevil]

Lmao tell me about it. Those laser trip bombs are pure evil! But that's interesting! I feel most people hate on total meltdown, but I've had the same thought - it's the most authentic to the original for sure! Good to see someone choosing TM. Cheers :)

[@blackking5819]

Nice bro keep growing 💗

[@dmitrykim3096]

much better port than doom at least

[@vicsvids97]

Never played duke nukem! That needs to change now!

[@williamschwibbith2040]

Very nice!

[@revenantevil]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@SearchStormProductions]

Great vid 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@CRIPHILL]

I’m here to chew ass and kick bubblegum, and I’m all outta gum

[@photoshopspeedorial]

Old school here! =)

[@matschuf1]

Wow Great Video!

[@astralauxiliary]

So many memories

[@BradPitBrasileiro]

This camera tilt its for me the best quality from this port, its like quake/Q3, half life head bobbing

[@foodiemoodie6406]

Nice information

[@wolfgangfrost8043]

Was the band Madcap like related to one of the developers or something? As you said, I'm sure they have their fans, but their inclusion just seems so out of place and their space on the CD could've been better used for you know... actual Duke Nukem music.

[@revenantevil]

I had the same thought about the two maybe being somehow related. And I totally agree, a Duke track would have been preferable, but Desolation Sound has grown on me a tiny bit, lol. Thanks for the comment!

[@EnndyR]

So what your telling me is the optimal way to play Duke Nukem is on the Sega Saturn

[@revenantevil]

Lmao pretty much mate! Jokes aside it's not as bad as I make it out to be

[@OpenMawProductions]

Back in the 90s, it probably would be classified as such. The N64 has some pretty jump controls and the Playstation had a very rough inconsistent framerate.

[@steve-mg5iu]

i owned the saturn version along time ago and its missing where you can use the urinals for replenishing energy. it was removed for some reason

[@YusTawauTech91]

i like music mate

[@tucker12435]

i still love duke nukem 3d regardless of system

[@revenantevil]

Absolutely, me too. I think the Saturn version is in some ways the most fascinating. :)

[@diploidcabrera2741]

great game

[@kensuke_hatsuke_kaizo]

I just love how the view count is exactly at 666

[@revenantevil]

If only my sub count was that high, haha. Thanks for stopping by! :)

[@soulbrother5435]

Despite the disclaimer the conparison is unfair

[@revenantevil]

What do you feel is wrong with it?

[@Notstevenn07]

W vid

[@Bro_clipz]

🔥🔥🔥

[@GamingMB001]

op video

[@mikelim6237]

Nice

[@vicsvids97]

Hilarious 😂

[@revenantevil]

Thanks man! You rock :)

[@RGBYT777]

cool

[@HBKjeffrey]

still rather play the PSX version but still a good version tho

[@revenantevil]

I'm playing through the ps1 version now for my next video... man it's tough. And don't get me started on the exclusive levels! Damn. I do enjoy it though. Thanks for stopping by!

[@HBKjeffrey]

@@revenantevil ikr finisihed the game last year for the first time. Loved plug n pray even on piece cake its hard

[@revenantevil]

I was playing Nightmare Zone (level 1 of Plug and Pray) for legit about 2 hours yesterday before looking up a guide. It wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't beaten it before haha. Definitely for more experienced players, lol. Hats off to you if you can beat those levels is all I'll say!

[@15-Peter-20]

Game over yeeeeahhhh

[@sumitgain5828]

Nice game resident evil

[@robopigcop7637]

Не знал что такая версия была,эта игра также отличается от пк 🖥.

[@moxatechgaming]

Duke nuken nice

[@steveothehulk]

the sat version was a freakshow

[@revenantevil]

A lovable freakshow?

[@steveothehulk]

@@revenantevil maybe at the time but now you wouldn’t want to play it like this

[@revenantevil]

It's definitely not the best option, but an intriguing 'port' nonetheless. But yeah it certainly has its issues, haha. Thanks for stopping by :)

[@steveothehulk]

@@revenantevil no probs yeah dont get me wrong i love the saturn version but it was a seriously cut port with doors missing and like you say a strange turn mechanism, ps1 was not technically great either but it had most of the game intact,

[@revenantevil]

Yeah, I prefer the PS1 version too. The Saturn version is the only (5th gen) port without a Total Conversion... I think that speaks volumes haha. What do you think of Duke 64?

[@laurenalexander4438]

I actually prefer the Saturn version. Better graphics. Streamlined level designs. Better atmosphere.

[@revenantevil]

While I don't think the Saturn version compares favourably, it certainly isn't bad. I stand by my criticisms, but perhaps I was a little too harsh in the video. I do enjoy the game. Lol. Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Hope I wasn't too harsh! Cheers

[@ALittleSnowFairySaga]

I think the Saturn is the best of the ports on original hardware. But I have a soft spot for the N64 version. I mostly do not enjoy the PS1 version, even given its “Plug ‘N Pray” episode. Also, playing via Saturn NetLink was insanely fun.