DUNE 3 NEWS: Legendary & Villeneuve Reveal The Hurdles That Remain

A breakdown of the latest news including all the recent comments from production staff and examine whether the prospect of Dune 3 is a realistic expectation. Both before and during the highly anticipated release of Dune Part 2 cast and crew along with industry insiders were discussing the prospect of Dune 3, referring to it as though it was already a sure thing. However in the weeks following its release there has been no confirmation of a third installment. Not only that but recent comments from Legendary and Dune director Denis Villeneuve have cast a shadow of doubt over whether or not an adaptation of Frank Herbert’s sequel novel Dune: Messiah will see the light of day.
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IMPORTANT UPDATE: DUNE 3/DUNE: MESSIAH has been CONFIRMED to be in DEVELOPMENT by Legendary Pictures. HOWEVER, this simply means that they're working on the script/screenplay, which has been widely reported on for several months. The next BIG ANNOUNCEMENT we are looking forward to is when PRODUCTION is greenlit. 🤞

[@MajusFederation]

I don't want to see any more Dune since both 1 & 2 deviated so much from the Book and not to mention the woke gender swapping to appease the modern audience something that neither the Mini Series or David Lynch Did with they're content

[@AJJJ-co2vd]

​@@MajusFederation but woke bs just pisses off fans just look at the new matrix dumpster fire

[@koko40800]

@@MajusFederation So go back to the 'superior'' Lynch version and Sci Fi series lol

[@MrTerrrrible]

Looks like we have a long wait. I was never a big Dune fan but Dune 2 blew me away. So Epic. Going to read the books.

[@kidkatana]

Copium. This whole video aged like doggy doo doo in less than 48hours. But keep the whole thing going by all means 😂

[@bdso9593]

"I see plans within plans..."

[@johnblunt1313]

Exactly 😂

[@johnblunt1313]

Spies upon spies

[@shantoreywilkins651]

✅

[@stephenswift9868]

Ach, it’s all a tease to raise anticipation. Dune Messiah will be made.

[@immortal5812]

Wrong, it’s: “I see plants within your pants…”

[@d-_-b8558]

If we don't get Denis Villeneuve's Dune 3, it will literally be a crime against humanity. Not when Marvel and Star Wars get to keep churning out their drivel and Godzilla and Kong dominates the box office... I guess if it doesn't get greenlit, we can blame the intelligence of the average moviegoer and executive.

[@TheNewLivingKing]

Let's start a petition and donate to make it happen for villenueve.

[@ShirleyTimple]

Go outside😅

[@matthewmckinney5387]

Lmao, i can do without more directors and woke actors destroying great stories, im ok with no more dune movies

[@baahcusegamer4530]

Dune 2 was cinematically marvelous. The story always has kinda sucked (speaking as someone who read the book, saw the 1984 movie, the 2000s mini series and Dune part 1 and 2). I don’t much enjoy stories with no good guys. And no, I haven’t bothered with GoT for this reason.

[@markbarrientos6430]

You know it is possible to not talk shit about other people and the things they like while expressing your displeasure. You come off like a pompous snyderbot be better.

[@tomalexander4327]

It's possible that no-one was signed on for a third film and contracts/scheduling are being negotiated in the background before anything is announced.

[@jackgleeson8321]

Anya must be already signed to the movie that might help get the movie move forward. It would be depend on what is stated in the actors contracts

[@HawkFest]

Hopefully

[@EdwardLewisIV]

Gary mentioned on FNT that he talked to someone who worked on the Dune movies and said the reason the CGI was so fantastic was because the entire movie was completely planned out before starting any production. My guess is Denis is just going to be thorough in his plan before announcing anything.

[@Calypso694]

they pulled a Fury Road in that most of it was practical with minor CGI enhancements. the worms obviously from a distance but all the close up of them on top of the worms were a giant slab, lots of sand and wind machines.

[@JoseMolina-jz9hh]

Messiah is a two parter

[@Calypso694]

@@JoseMolina-jz9hh i doubt it. its the shortest of the books you can bang that story out in 2hr45 tops

[@janmajer4662]

​@@JoseMolina-jz9hh Oh yeah, just like the Hobbit is a 3 parter?

[@di3486]

The only thing that was obviously not planned well was the script.

[@paulh2468]

Denis wants to do Rendezvous with Rama next anyway. Messiah is several years in the future, so no worries. It'll happen.

[@piefrosty319]

I’m actually hyped that he’s doing rendezvous. Arthur C. Clark is a legendary author

[@emilywilhite5807]

Since Messiah is supposed to be 12 years into the future from Dune, wouldn’t hurt for the actors to age a bit.

[@melanie62954]

@@emilywilhite5807 Considering how Part 2 ended (Paul and Chani's relationship needs addressing before they jump into the story of Dune Messiah), I suspect that Denis is going to work the Jihad into the film, especially since the book has comparatively little action. But I agree, a few more years on the actors is necessary if he intends for the bulk of the story to be over a decade later. Of course, he condensed 3 years into 8 months in Part 2, so we might see some condensing for the 3rd one too.

[@lenanana8]

I'm so looking forward to Rendervouz with Rama, the book is such an introspective, unique and philosophical take on first contact.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

I too am looking forward to *RONDEZVOUS WITH RAMA.*

[@Cifer77]

Just because there isn't an "automatic greenlight" after Dune 2 release, I don't really see as a big deal. Denis already stated he wants to work on a different project before Dune Messiah

[@WolfetoneRebel1916]

Very little chance we won't see Dune Messiah. The danger was not seeing Dune Part 2 if the first one didn't make enough at the box office(which it did of course).

[@j10betty]

I'm really hoping he is able to direct it within his wishes. He wants the actors to age up an take time to get the script right. If he's giving his time to work on it at his pace. Then we will have something unbelievable I believe.

[@janmajer4662]

​@@j10betty Yes, he really must have a magnificent plan if he believes it is possible to make it even greater than part 2.

[@stephaniemoore9122]

It’s Legendary Films they pay 80% of the movie cost WB pays 20%

[@melanie62954]

@@j10betty Definitely. Denis has been very clear that he doesn't want to be boxed in by a release date. It might take 5 or 6 years (torturous years for us!) but I'm sure it'll happen.

[@bennygerow]

I can't imagine it not getting made after how well 2 did.

[@badlaamaurukehu]

The "wrong" people liked it. That and "Zendaya" is just unattractrive in her portrayal.

[@patrickchoque7720]

@@badlaamaurukehu????

[@VictorIV0310]

@@badlaamaurukehu?

[@lucasbachmann]

@@badlaamaurukehu Well just because you and I are baffled by the Zendaya/Chani character doesn't mean the majority of the audience and reviews weren't gushing over her character's adaption - though obviously reviewers are predictable for what they praise. I'd consider it possible that the normies that showed up for Dune 2 might not happen twice for Dune 3 though. The young people I surveyed were interested in Zendaya and Austin Butler more than Timothee actually.

[@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225]

the reality is the movie wasn't such a success. The movie made 406 millions globally. The movie cost 190 millions to make and given that advertisement usually cost as much as the film itself. This means dune part 2 barely break even.

[@gleann_cuilinn]

I am worried about Dune Messiah because Villeneuve has expressed disdain for dialogue and a preference for visuals in his film making, but the book Dune Messiah is almost entirely dialogue and nothing else really happens. He will have to do a lot of work to adapt that book to his own vision.

[@JRudd]

My thoughts exactly. I’d be interested to see his vision for D3.

[@ultraguy14]

That's why I imagined if he did 3, since he said that would be all he is interested in doing with the franchise, he's going to probably incorporate some of the plot from children of dune to fill it out.

[@ModeloBloodReplacement]

this same facts among other things also makes the first 2 movies disappointing

[@KnjazNazrath]

Literally this@@ModeloBloodReplacement

[@ReaperPLUR]

​@@ModeloBloodReplacementeh I tried to get into the first book after seeing the first movie and it felt like I was watching a hundreds of pages long people magazine interview, and couldn't get past 60% of it. Shits mad boring, great concept tho

[@WheeledWarrior69]

It wouldn't be a horrible thing to wait for the 3rd movie. Dune Messiah takes place 12 years after the ending of Dune. I've heard elsewhere that Denis has plans for directing another film before going back to the Dune Universe. He's working on the screenplay as this video stated and the composer is working on the music already too. Other actors have said basically "Let me know when and where and I will be there". This video makes it sound so pessimistic that Dune 3 won't happen. I'm very confident it will. It might be later than people want but it will happen.

[@gerardotejada2531]

Then Jason Momoa and anna Taylor Joy would be too old for Hayt and Alia. They are already casted.

[@WheeledWarrior69]

@@gerardotejada2531 I think you mean Duncan and Alia. True they would be older of course if they waited a few years to do Dune Messiah. But the technology of "de-aging" people in movies has come so far that it's not unheard of that they could do it with both Jason Momoa and Anya Taylor Joy.

[@zachthecool4321]

My man Denis is still making the script. There is no script there is no 'film pitch' even. The warner bros producer quote is basically saying we are ready to go when Denis is. And are just projecting a similar time scale that part 2 took. At this point we got to let em cook.

[@stsolomon618]

I just read Dune Messiah for the first time and wow, what a book.

[@WOTArtyNoobs]

Then you have a treat in store when you read 'Children' and 'God Emperor'. I read these when I was University and they were mind-blowing.

[@delunk5906]

Really? It’s been so long since I read it, but I remember it being a bit slower. But Children of Dune is a Banger.

[@1183newman]

@@WOTArtyNoobsfor me children of dune was my least favorite. Messiah was much better imo.

[@HudsonDoodle]

You’re on an amazing journey. God Emperor may be my favorite book of all time. But the whole original series is amazing. Enjoy!

[@idawg7332]

I only started the books, I liked messiah even more than dune. I found children of dune a little slow and stopped reading but I do want to go back to it. Im not sure how farther to go though. I heard book 6 ends on a cliffhanger but the ones Brian Herbert wrote aren’t as good. Can anyone recommend a good cutoff point

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

I actually liked that TV miniseries of _Dune_ and _Children of Dune_ from years ago.

[@Chris_Hood]

Those kicked some butt, given the budget and made-for-cable standards at the time!

[@LLemon_Pepper]

I know it's different from the books, but I actually really liked how the Children miniseries condensed Dune Messiah and Children of Dune into one story. Messiah the book is pretty short, It's like half the size of Dune.

[@RodneyGraves]

They were surprisingly faithful adaptations.

[@user-tn4kk9qs8t]

I loved it.

[@PTNLemay]

Children of Dune was outstanding. The CGI improved, the actors were on point, they had all the key elements from the books.

[@Concreteowl]

To be honest I would be more excited by a David Lynch Children of Dune.

[@MetFreak42]

Dennis has also said in interviews that, if DUNE Messiah goes forward, he wants to take a few years off to work on other projects, which will also give the cast time to "age up", so that they can come at the story fresh/revitalized and be able to appropriately portray their characters after the time jump in the story. Messiah is supposed to take place twelve (12) years after the end of DUNE Pt 2. Which means, if they adhere to that framing, Paul will need some significant " Adulting" before they start filming. If they want to cut down the time between films, they could recast, but I personally don't foresee that option working well. They could also reframe the story to take place, say, 5-6 years later, but that would also cause issues with the timing of certain events. Not least of which would be the age of Paul's sister, Alia.

[@thenotoriousgryyn342]

I wish they would make a great Bultarian Jihad Series, show the world the beginning of This Universe!

[@d.s.2016]

The excess caution means they care about the product.

[@sigurdkaputnik7022]

I wouldn't worry. DV has always stated, that before returning to Arrakis for Part 3, he would do at least one movie unrelated to Dune. Also, he wanted Paul to become a little older as "Messiah" plays 10 years after his ascension. And casting superstar Anya Taylor-Joy for just a 5 second scene in DP2 would a be a collossal waste, should there be no further plans for her playing Alia. I think he needs time to come up with a good script after he (kind-of) wrote himself into a corner with changing Chani. And he needs to come up with a guild navigator look that tops that of David Lynch, which is next to impossible...😄

[@lunatynaty]

he also said he needed a bit of rest too, he deserves some holidays

[@catinore3837]

I just can’t see how a Messiah adaptation could surpass the movies based off the first book. The original “Dune” was groundbreaking and iconic. “Dune Messiah”, while a valuable continuation of the saga and cherished in the Dune community, is much more niche and introspective, and can’t exceed the grandeur of its predecessor.

[@kevinjoseph3120]

Ye have little faith

[@catinore3837]

@@kevinjoseph3120 ***Mild Dune Messiah spoilers below*** Highlights of Dune, just off the top of my head: Gom jabbar test, arrival on Arrakis, hunter-seeker assassination attempt, sandcrawler rescue, Harkonnen/Sardaukar attack on Arrakeen, flight into the desert, Duncan’s last stand, Coriolis storm escape, Paul’s fight with Jamis, assimilation into sietch life, death of Kynes, water of life trial (both times), Paul’s sandworm ride, Harkonnen arena, reunion with Gurney, Fremen attack on Arrakeen, death of Baron, duel with Feyd, end of book. The only parts I can ever remember of Messiah, despite having read it 4 times, are the Reverend Mother’s arrival on Arrakis, the stone burner attack, and the climax of the book.

[@model84]

@@catinore3837 i remember Paul losing his eyes and going to the dessert or it was in Children?

[@dz_ssbm]

@@catinore3837 well ur first list is split between 2 movies, some of the scenes aren't even included in either movie, some of the best scenes in either movie were not in the books, and the scenes you did mention from messiah alone are insanely epic. denis absolutely can deliver

[@catinore3837]

@@dz_ssbm I drew my lists from the books. The first book has so many epic and important scenes it took 2 movies to depict them all. Much as I enjoy and appreciate Messiah, I can’t see a movie adaptation of its content surpassing its predecessor. It could be I’m misinterpreting his comment about Part 3 needing to surpass Part 2 in quality, but from a narrative and spectacle standpoint, I can’t see that happening. I certainly hope to be proved wrong! Maybe he’ll give us 2 hours of Alia slipping into abomination. That would be epicness of unparalleled proportion ;)

[@valecrassus7835]

Is Messiah like Dawn Treader was for the Narnia movies? IE, is it difficult/impossible to convert to film without massively re-working it into something completely different?

[@TheJeferka]

That has already been the case for dune. Any further movies will face similar challenges and re-work

[@lilwater7358]

Kind of. If Denis wants to end with the second book, he has to cut or change certain parts of the story

[@dr.matthewhertert310]

yeah but messiah would arguably be the easiest of all the sequels. shit gets wacky, yo.

[@countpicula]

Yes as is proof with a lot of the already big changes.

[@countpicula]

@@lilwater7358denis has been very clear he is ending the story with Paul.

[@TranceDivine]

Honestly, I thought having 2 parts for one book was not a good idea, because now a theater production cant even get to Dune Messiah let alone children of Dune which should have been the trilogy it deserved ..I hope things change, because Dune is by far superior over any Star wars movie..

[@WOTArtyNoobs]

My suspicion is that if Dune Messiah (as Part 3) works, they will offer 'Children' to Denis, but if he turns it down, they will give it to another director. It's too good a universe not to do all the books but it must be a tremendous strain on Denis to spend so many years in the Desert.

[@midwestmike613]

Well Star Wars used so many ideas from Dune whether it's just inspiration or theft glad to see Dune getting the credit it truly deserved even if Frank is not here to see it.

[@guitarplayersparadise520]

That’s a very fkn bold statement and I support it

[@wojtek1582]

Why it can't get? Dune made as one movie would be a junk.

[@kranatsnah]

@@WOTArtyNoobs I actually understand Denis, he's already stated in interviews that he's been working on Dune for almost 7 years if I remember correctly and he's tired of being in the desert for so long. But if this is the issue that clouds his mind about the sequels, I think he is wrong. SPOILERS Starting with the Dune Messiah, the terraforming of Arrakis is completed in time. In the Messiah, the planet slowly begins to green and irrigate. In Children of Dune and especially in God Emperor of Dune, the planet has been completely transformed and is almost a lush water planet. Even though the 5th book and afterwards the events are reversed again, the 2-3 films to be shot after that can be shot in very spacious environments to a certain extent. Denis knows all this, of course.

[@anarwally]

A movie covering Dune Messiah would close out Paul's story. It would be nice to see. And if the Sisterhood of Dune show fails, which it will, the studio should take the right message from the failure. People are not done with the Dune universe but they are done with crap shows. People will show up for good, well made movies and TV shows.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

I don't care about the sisterhood show.

[@MrDoctorMabuse]

This is really not complicated: no release date and official greenlight has been announced for DV's next non-⊃∪∩⪽ film, whatever that will be, so no announcement can be made for MESSIAH either since they're mutually dependent and he is deliberately taken a break from this franchise. The film, barring any major unexpected events, is happening. But they aren't rushing its schedule or development.

[@carolynallisee2463]

I wonder if the current silence is a sign that Legendary are having a deep think about how they are going to adapt Dune Messiah, given that Denis Villeneuve went way off track with this ending of Dune Part Two. I haven't seen the film and have had to rely on synopses from elsewhere, but two facts stand out quite clearly. One is that the Jihad that Paul had been trying to prevent has two very different origins. In the books, it is the Fremen who head offworld to convert the rest of the known universe to the religion of Muad'Dib, by sword if required, whereas in the film, it is the rejection of the Great Houses of the Landsraad of Paul's claim to the throne that starts it. Thus, Paul goes from being a helpless pawn of extreme religious zeal to someone leading a war to force people to accept his rule. The other stark difference is one that may cause the most headaches... and that is how Chani has been portrayed. This is where the modern view of women may have tripped DV up. In the book, it is made quite clear that Chani fully understands her role and place in Paul's life, especially once he becomes Emperor. She also understands that Paul's marriage to Irulan is one of pure convenience, and exists in name only. Paul even asks her to enter negotiations alongside his mother on his behalf. There is no schism between them, no separation, which makes what happens in Dune Messiah all the more intense. DV had Chani storm out at the end of Dune Part Two, which, whilst this is the expected reaction of a modern woman, kind of wrecks the delicate weave of politics being set up in the books. Much of what happens in Dune Messiah hinges on the political manipulations and schemes of various factions, some of which focus on Chani and her role as Paul's mate. By having her becoming estranged from him, DV has sent a wrecking ball through a significant part of this book... and it's going to be difficult to adapt without either spending much unnecessary time having them reunite, or else just 'forget' the estrangement ever happened.

[@samfilmkid]

I could see the movie starting off with Paul asking Chani to be the one person on his council who has no agenda and will actually tell him the truth, a way to try to hold onto his humanity and then cutting twelve years later.

[@carolynallisee2463]

@@samfilmkid yes, that is probably the way it will be done, if they do it- and would be quite unnecessary if Denis hadn't done what he did to begin with!

[@xylok_dnb2444]

i'm also a bit bummed that paul's mentat training has been mostly skipped in favor of the bene gesserit training. all the politics and strategy come from the mentat training, so his decisions here are represented more as impulse and bravado rather than careful calculation. they kind of painted themselves into a corner...

[@ironhead2008]

@@samfilmkid Such a hacky way to fix shit, he'd have to absolutely NAIL the rest of the movie to get away with it.

[@samfilmkid]

@@lordcrunk4790 I think she genuinely believed for a while he only cared about the Fremen. And his own skepticism of the prophecy is probably a big part of why he was attracted to her.

[@kineticstar]

It will be difficult to go forward in the story, seeing that Chani has not given birth to the twins and Alia was also not born in the correct timeline. How do you introduce Alia as the regent, for the twins and the empire if they are all children. Spoilers:: Turn back now!!!! You've been warned!!! How does a toddler develop a relationship with Duncan and the Baron?

[@Battlenude]

eeeeeeh? Time laps between Part one and Two does not have to be the same between part two and three.. just saying. If there ever will come a thrd adoptation, it could be as far as 28 before we se it. How old would Taylor joy look by then, perhaps we will see several versions of Alia in part 3. And i think Deni have to really go outside the source material in order to get Massaia as good as Dune was

[@kineticstar]

@Battlenude a major time jump will miss important story beats. We already miss the death of Paul's first child that Alia wasn't able to protect. We will also miss out on Jessica and Alia's interactions, the moves by the Princess, Paul's struggle with the golden path, Leto's decisions, and the twins subterfuge against Alia. But okay, you do you.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

The twins are only born at the end of Messiah. Alia will either be very young or 20, either maintaining/extending the timejump, or shortening it.

[@Battlenude]

@@kineticstar like i said. Deni will have to make big changes for Messia and many people would have a fit because of this. I say, whatever works for Deni, go for it

[@Battlenude]

@@pseudonymousbeing987 or having several age screen story

[@nhlcbj]

This is why films and tv should stay in their own lanes. Once you branch out everything gets way more complicated. It’s not fair that Dune Messiah’s fate should be at the mercy of a spinoff show that not only nobody asked for but is currently in development hell. It’s like WB is setting the franchise up to fail by making it a bigger franchise than it is just on film. Same with Star Wars and the all the movies turned to shows on Disney plus, it just doesn’t work and wastes too many resources.

[@cas4611]

What has led to the downfall of most franchises has been butchering the source material for “modern audiences” And how altered Chani was kind of makes the next two books a bit challenging

[@wk8219]

I’m not too worried. Everyone being excited is easy when it’s still in the ‘Pretty good idea’ stage. Stuff (💩) gets real when people have to actually start finding the funds.

[@megansinger517]

I'm worried. As much as I'd love to see it, a lot of people in the industry just have huge dollar signs in their eyes now and will have no problem releasing something super subpar because it will still make tons of money. Also don't even get me started on how much I disliked Zendaya's Chani and per the final shot of Pt 2 we would see a whole lot more of her and a lot of the nuance of her character from the book will be stripped away into a spiteful, aggressive, "strong" girlboss who don't need no Paul. 😒

[@marknovak6498]

Dune Messiah is very challenging given the way the director re-engineered Chani. He has to put together what was broken.

[@jkdbuck7670]

So he did to himself what JJ did to Ruin Johnson who in turn left a mess right back at JJ?

[@chrispekel5709]

​@@jkdbuck7670JJ didn't leave a mess at all. Only Rian created problems

[@eamonnholland5343]

JJ Abrams loves to create mystery boxes with no plans on how to solve them, much less solve them with satisfaction. This is partly why Rian Johnson threw out what JJ set up, which just created more problems, on top of what Rian did to all the characters and lore. JJ basically just ripped off "A New Hope" with shiny new special effects, inserted mystery box garbage, and hoped no one would notice. Hollywood is almost entirely devoid of creativity and talent.

[@WickedScott]

@@chrispekel5709 No he just remade A New Hope

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Truthful observation.

[@blacktronpavel]

My first viewing caught me a little off-guard with the deviations from the book, however I have come to accept it. Upon my second viewing, I was in love with the film. It helps that I saw it in IMAX for round two, and my first viewing I was pretty distracted in my personal life. I am hoping to get to see a third viewing soon. I absolutely love to see DUNE 3 (Messiah). We only glanced over it in the miniseries, so this actually gives Denis Villeneuve a bit of creative latitude. I want him to finish what he started.

[@mamasnightmare1]

Sadly the ending of part two was wrong to start Messiah. It was so easy the have another ending where you can express Chani's discontent but not make it look like she's leaving, because she wasn't. What would have done was Chani looking down to a square and see fremen kill another fremen for not accepting Paul as the Lisan al Gaib. That way you would also have the impact of her doubt but also a reason why she would stay, because leaving might get her killed also. That is how you create impact.

[@yodasmomisondrugs7959]

Or not change it from the book at all.

[@mamasnightmare1]

@@yodasmomisondrugs7959 that doesnt work because in the book you tell and not show. In a movie you show and not tell.

[@ytsm]

That ending was really bad. The performance by Zendeya in those final shots kind of ruined the whole film for me. If DV was going for a strong but slighted women, then Zendeya is not the right actor, regardless of her performance. Instead of showing a stoic resolve, as per the novel, she looked and behaved like a petulant schoolgirl. Despite her poor performance - I lay equal blame with DV for this - it could have been so easily fixed in the edit, and remained more faithful to the book. I am intrigued how DV will adapt and re-imagine Channi and Paul's relationship? Because, as it stands, it's so wildly different to the source, that it will require a huge 180 of Channi's attitude to Paul, whilst trying not to make her look more infantile than she already does.

[@mamasnightmare1]

@@ytsm and also now since this evening it is confirmed that Dune measiah wil be made.

[@AdeptCharon]

I've seen several sources painting this as some unexpected news of unexplained sudden hesitation, which seems bizarre to me, as for anyone following the production more closely over the past couple years, especially interviews of Villeneuve, it's been pretty damn clear that there would likely be an actual break between the productions of Part Two and Messiah, for numerous and good reasons (some of which you already bring up in this video). People need to chill and re-read some books and rewatch the two incredible Dune movies we've gotten so far xD Let Denis Villeneuve cook. I'd rather wait till 2030 if it means he gets to do Messiah on his terms. It's actually a blessing that the studio isn't pressuring to bank on the momentum and making hasty announcements. ...but yeah, the only part here I'm worried about is about the potential for that Max show shitting on the IP in some way, but who knows. I hope it surprises us in good ways or something.

[@jonbonda1917]

Compared to the previous 80s and 2k movies, after watching this movie, it didn't spend enough screen time on the story of the original novel series. I don't see this latest version going past the 1st novel since it needs a lot more background story with the Golden Path.

[@Mofoleo]

Honestly, they're probably gonna tell Denis that if he doesn't do it, someone else will. Denis has been clear that he wanted to do another type of film before revisiting Dune but he also was clear that he doesn't know how he will proceed. But, yeah, they're gonna tell him "Bro, if you don't do it, we're gonna get Michael Bay on it."

[@counterstrifekid]

TBH, they need to do it soon. If there is any hope for the rest of the series(not even sure if it is even a possible plan), it depends on pretty quick release schedule. There are certain recurring characters that really shouldn't look 10 years different from the start to the end of the series.

[@dr.matthewhertert310]

actually they’re eyeing McG

[@Chrupignat]

Personally I feel conflicted about it. On one hand I want to see more of these high concept movies that require the viewers to focus and not treat them like a bunch of idiots. On the other I feel that 2nd movie didn't do justice to the book. There are so many omissions and changes in it It's making the whole story too flat. I understand that characters in movie have more personality (I would dare say more of it visible) but at the same time they are not as nuanced as the book does. Additionally some elements are straight out weird or don't make sense when comparing it to the book. Time compression is one of these elements. Lack of Paul and Chani's childs death also takes the edge from it all.

[@jeff4son]

Dune 3 was officially announced today! 4/4/24

[@audio_tron]

I think Messiah will happen. However, still annoyed by what they did to Chani.

[@tyedrichill8097]

But it's a change that makes sense, you know

[@milton1448]

@@tyedrichill8097 Not the lore- no need to change it

[@CyberEdZ]

Likewise (re: Chani) - and Jessica. I thought I would be over it by now, but if anything my annoyance has grown. It may be that Denis has realised that he's backed himself into a corner he cannot now get out of.

[@arnonym141]

I love the new Chani. She feels so much more like an actual character than in the books.

[@RodneyGraves]

Villeneuve's adaptations of *Dune* did no favors to the characters of Jessica, Chani, or Hara.

[@janette2422]

I feel like such a large commitment from cast and crew is…a lot. It’s good to remember that as an actor they need to get in a heavy headspace. For all that I don’t like Chalamet as Paul, I respect the work put in. He did Dune 1 and 2 PLUS that Willy Wonka movie and while the break in character was probably welcome so he could breathe and stretch his creative muscles….that’s a mind blowing amount of work to be a main cast character in 3 movies back to back.

[@JesseRignall]

I don't think any of this is "bad news". It seems like the overwhelming sentiment is that "If we are going to do it, we are going to line everything up and make sure we do it right" I think that's the best possible way to approach it. I absolutely would bet money that it's happening, even if Villeneuve needs a break before diving back in. Edit: Just saw Messiah has been greenlit! Hell yeah!

[@RoboJules]

If we know anything about David Zaslav, we know that part of his business model is to ruin any positive future creative prospects for Warner Bros because somehow they make more money on tax write-offs. That's the biggest fear I have so far for Dune Messiah, and I'm honestly surprised that Part 2 even got made in the first place.

[@fullMetaLxMantis]

Dune Messiah has just been confirmed.

[@NerdCookies]

Confirmed to be in development = They're writing the script. We've known this for a while :)

[@fox_e_crow3276]

I’d rather have two incredible Dune films, standing side-by-side with their integrity in tact, than poison the well with haste and end up with the Godfather Part 3 of science fiction films. To be honest, I kind of wish they’d gone the LOTR route and made all 3 at once.

[@winwinmilieudefensie7757]

Would be better as a tv series

[@stsolomon618]

I've been saying that for a while.

[@Andrew666palec]

Problem would be the budget and time it would take. Either way it would impact the quality to such extent that it wouldn't have been the same. I'm happy with the movies and just hope for the 3rd one.

[@anydaynow01]

Agreed, even with Dune 2 there was so much they had to leave on the cutting room floor it was rushed and jumpy. The visuals were top notch but they had to adjust the story too much for run time. Hopefully someone with a decent budget like FX or Apple will do a series for Messiah, Children and God Emperor (with J.Momoa as Duncan!). It won't be a shiny as a movie but it will provide a much smoother and engaging story.

[@WOTArtyNoobs]

Star Trek started as tv and did well in the cinema. Only the spin-offs have not been so good and the Stargate expanded universe failed.

[@model84]

@@anydaynow01 Sci-Fi already did Messaiah and Children, but it special effects didn't age well

[@charlieblocher7456]

The character changes they inflicted on Chani in Dune: Part 2 would make it hard to incorporate that character into a relatively faithful adaptation of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune. They'd have to cut swaths of content to fit that into one movie, of course, but they'd also need to have Chani perform a 180 and get back together with Paul, reconcile their differences about him betraying her ideals, and want to have his children and heirs.

[@shaneashby5890]

If he does make Messiah, I’m sure the story will be so different from the book that there will be no point even calling the movie Messiah.

[@colenedrow2792]

If Messiah is approved before awards season then Dune II might get robbed of awards it would rightfully win like the Two Towers was. It’s unlikely the studio will green light it until after the Oscar’s so if it sweeps they can use that publicity to build for Messiah. It’s all a game my friends. Plans within plans.

[@elfieinblack4618]

They're going to make a 3rd movie, no doubt about it. Any disparaging whispers from industry insiders are just publicity/a plot for increased budget. The 2nd film laid so much groundwork for a 3rd movie, if there was no pay off for any of that it would be a huge waste of money. The reveal of Anya Taylor Joy as Alia for example. If they don't use her in a future movie, that scene was a total waste of time. Or the fact that Paul and Chani haven't officially reunited romantically (they were together throughout the ending of the book, so the conflict and relationship drama in the movie is all just fodder for continued intrigue). If they didn't make a 3rd movie it would be a colossal waste of money, not to mention they'd be throwing away the enormous profit they'd be practically guaranteed to make on a third installment. And mark my words, it will be within the next few years. They have to make it soon or Jason Mamoa and Anya Taylor Joy will be too old (shes already too old. So she'd be WAY too old).

[@EarthNeedsHeroes]

Hearing the quotes you brought up, I am not too worried. Doesn't sound like they don't want to do it, but more that they're not ready to announce anything yet (probably for business reasons). When Villeneuve said that he needs a break first, that tells me he's trying to not get burnt out. Waiting for the right screenplay? Sounds like a plan to me! Basically, they are not taking the Disney approach of slap-dash "fix it in post" film making and that can only mean a better product.

[@joshmcneil1086]

I got the impression that Denis wanted to do another project or two first before "returning to Arrakis". And after the way he ended Dune II, I am worried as to whether he will continue to take the story away from the source novels or if he will reconnect his ending of part II to a more canonical adaptation of Dune Messiah.

[@robertfrost1683]

Frank Herbert's writing is very dense and complex, Messiah is a very deep and dark story with a lot of " strangeness" for people who have not Read Herbert, and it ends on a very dark note except for the Twins Leto and Ghanima. It might be " Too Much" to be a commercial success outside of hard core Dune Fans.

[@ziizification]

Honestly, given that the choice that they made at the end of the second movie, what would they even really have to adapt? A good half of Messiah is the politics that triggered the jihad they chose to end the second movie with. If anything, I think they have to go right to Children of Dune if a third movie happens at all.

[@WOTArtyNoobs]

As they did with the miniseries.

[@seanheath4492]

@@WOTArtyNoobsThe beginning of the Children miniseries was Messiah.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

huh? You imply Messiah slowly sets up the Jihad but Part 2 rushed into it too early? That's completely incorrect. The Jihad has been going for 12 years by the time of Messiah. What are you actually saying?

[@stephengrant4841]

@@pseudonymousbeing987 Exactly - Messiah is about the politics triggered after the jihad, not before, since the jihad had already happened / had already started 12 years before. They could still do an adaptation of literally everything in Messiah lmao.

[@wojtek1582]

@@pseudonymousbeing987 Correct. I am surprised that OP got so many likes, while he is completely wrong. Dune Messiah is about the conspiracy against Paul after Fremen legions returned from the jihad.

[@TheCatWitch63]

I’m wishing with all my heart for Dune Messiah the movie, but totally agree with Legendary’s approach. The script would need to be superb and the cast, crew and everyone involved must be top notch if we they want to finish the series with the same or better quality as the first two movies. The worst sin would not be not having this movie. The worst sin would be this movie not fulfilling expectations and being the very best it could be. Two more things: 1) Denis Villeneuve always said that he was going to do other projects before “returning to Arrakis”, and 2) he’s always been a very strategic and careful movie maker. He hasn’t changed his position about Dune Messiah. He’s politely telling us he won’t be rushed into making the third movie, and he will only make the film he wants to make and when things are completely ready. Let Denis Villeneuve work at his own pace and do his magic. Let’s be patient and not rush things out right now, and we will be rewarded with an incredible cinematic experience and the perfect ending for this Dune saga.

[@neochrist33]

Villeneuve wants Dune 3 to happen and have a grand trilogy that most great directors have. Nolan had the Batman/Dark Knight trilogy, Lucas had Star Wars, Peter Jackson had LOTR, etc... He wants to be on that same level but he also has said in an interview he wants to do a completely different kind of movie to have a break from the Duniverse before the 3rd movie starts development plus it needs to get funding , a polished screenplay and script, and to schedule all the actors and crew for the film which takes time. It will happen in my opinion but might be a few years before they even start filming it

[@defectiveclone8450]

The only bad news about Dune3 is that its going to take longer to make then Dune 2 as that is what the Director has said. He will not make Dune 3 until he is 100% happy with the script and story. But i believe pressure from the studio will help push him along with the risk they will hire someone else to take over making Dune 3 forcing him to speed things along.

[@superhandymanservice9413]

I read in December, that the director said the script was almost completed for Dune 3. That was quoted in variety magazine. And then he went on to say he might do something in between dune 2 and 3. I think 3 Will get made. Maybe not as soon as you'd like because if you remember there is a 10 years span between Dune and Dune Messiah. Same thing here.

[@jeremyevans8374]

If he's going to continue to leave out the guild and if he decides to stiff us on the Tleilaxu, I don't know how interested I'll be. Plus Jessica isn't even in Messiah so he'll have to make up a bunch of stuff in order to have Rebecca Ferguson back. I'm just still sore from the disappointment. He seems to think that the way to make it more adult and more legitimate is to take away the fun parts. And if he is on that much of an expectation subversion trip, Then I would rather he left the whole project alone. Yes, the Harkonnen thing was great but that was only like 10 minutes of a nearly 3 hour movie.

[@wathsi99]

I have a feeling that they'll hold the announcement until awards season is over. They'll want to campaign the film as this could be the last installment. Beat that let's wait for the trilogy to compete to award the accomplishment.

[@willard39]

Villeneuve's also got Rendezvous with Rama coming down the pike, which will also be a huge hit. Another series he could bring to life. What will the landscape look like for Messiah after that film?

[@joshrobbin1335]

I have an issue with the requirement that Messiah surpass 1&2 in visual and emotion. Messiah is an action flick. It's a war story with Dune/Herbert politics and intrique. I always viewed it as a palate cleanser between the 2 heavy religious tomes of Dune and Children. It should be made fast and violently.

[@ironhead2008]

It's less action and more political/conspiracy thriller.

[@apok1980]

I’m a purist. I liked Dune 2, but didn’t like where they went with the story. I also didn’t like the time lapse of a couple months when it should have been 4 years. It’s hard to believe a boy went into the desert and came back a man 3 months later. His mom wasn’t even showing her pregnancy. So I’ll be interested in the 3rd movie, but I won’t be sweating it like I did Dune 2. Basically this adaption went from me having to see the movie and experience it, to just me seeing another Marvel movie.

[@jamesmiddleton6464]

The problem for the Dune universe is that the first novel is by far the best from a story telling standpoint. The rest of the first trilogy gets progressively darker and more complex in a way that is difficult to show visually. Still doable through Children of Dune though. After Children the story becomes more and more abstract and nihilistic so it has a very limited audience even if you find a way to do it in a visual format. Previously untold stories that are hinted at by the books have a much better chance of becoming good movies (which are often not the same as good books).

[@ironhead2008]

Yeah, no one's making God Emperor, Heretics, and Chapterhouse. Too convoluted. Also, better have a banger of a n actor for Duncan Idaho if you want to try, because that's your audience surrogate after God Emperor IIRC. Dude has to carry it completely.

[@thanhvo7438]

Will there be Dune: Part 3? Dune 3 potential release date, cast and more Denis Villeneuve is in no rush to make the third movie, but he has always spoken of his desire to adapt Dune Messiah as a trilogy closer. "We are in early stages. We are in the right direction," he told Digital Spy in February 2024 before the release of the sequel.5 days ago

[@kloassie]

The expressed doubts are just created to cause more of a rouse, anticipation, excitement and hype when the 3rd film releases

[@simonkammeyer4334]

Im excited for the spinoff show. The sisterhood is a really interesting faction that i think people are hungry to delve into. As long as they get good show runners, actors, and writers, and dont go too far off the rails. It could be a really awesome show. Really hope they dont fumble it.

[@DoroteoVilla]

Dune Part II currently sits at $628 million dollars worldwide. Using the usual X3 equation to assess profitability, it sits slightly north of their break even point. Sure it is slowing down since it has been out for four weeks so let’s say it lands on $700 to $750 million worldwide, and then a bit more in PPV, licensing, etc. That’s a good but humble profit. But there is something else that I think needs to be taken into account when deciding whether to do a third movie. Dune is quickly taking a spot in the culture that is currently vacant. Despite it’s meager returns, there seems to be a groundswell of new fans that had never heard of, known about or understood Dune’s influential place in sci-fi . Before the movies, and particularly before Part II, people had no clue about who Paul Atreides was, what Frank Herbert’s saga did for sci fi writ large and in general, how much upside the franchise has in a market place where juggernauts like Star Wars and Marvel are in steep decline. In business, everything is a gamble, but if Legendary doesn’t see the upside in taking the saga all the way to God Emperor then they lack vision.

[@JosephKerr27]

Idk how this is bad news. This is the reality that we knew already. Villeneuve is gonna do Rendezvous with Rama (which should be awesome) while logistics are handled for Messiah. Another comment suggested potential contract negotiations and I def think that could be part of it, but DV mainly wants a break so he can approach the material with a fresh mind and avoid burnout.

[@Stitchman3875]

Hans Zimmer said that he's already working on the soundtrack and said that Denis put the script on his desk.

[@NerdCookies]

No, Denis didn't put the script on his desk. He put the book Dune: Messiah on his desk.

[@Stitchman3875]

@@NerdCookies I stand corrected. I read that he Dune Messiah on his desk along with reading the Zimmer said he already started writing music, and Denis saying he was "almost finished" with his script. I think it's a little to early to lose hope.

[@2006gtobob]

I believe the word "Messiah" could be a problem for some. It may need a new title like, "Dune: Land of Rainbows and Unicorns" so modern audiences can understand what and why Paul feels the need to rule the empire. After the deletions of characters, storylines, change in the timeline, 180° shift in characters, and otherwise condensing the story to prevent a 3 or more hour movie, I can't see how Dune gets back on track with the storyline. I would've HAPPILY sat in the theater for 3hrs and 15 minutes or more for a story if it remained closer to the book and, then I would've GLADLY gone back to watch it again and possibly a 3rd time. Seriously. But, as is, I walked out of the theater pissed off with the obvious chopping up of the story and changing Chani's characeter. I acknowledge that part 2 was an amazing movie. Its visuals and music are AMAZING. But for those of us that know the story, it left A LOT on the floor.

[@danielhavens8819]

tbh my biggest concern is whether they can actually come up with a good idea for adapting Messiah that will appeal to a general audience. I've been a huge fan of the books for over a decade and even I don't particularly /enjoy/ messiah lol it's super depressing, has even less action than the first book, and is just very different overall. I still like it a lot and think it plays an essential part in the themes of Dune overall, it's just not like, "fun" by any stretch of the imagination. It'll be a huge challenge to balance accuracy to the book, what a general audience will enjoy, and what executives will actually allow

[@CognizantCheddar]

- Denis has said publicly that he needs a break before starting on Dune 3, if it happens - Denis has also said publicly that he always envisioned a trilogy - Dune 2 is a massive box-office success, essentially guaranteeing studio interest in producing a third This video is unnecessary. It's all _but_ guaranteed a movie will be made adapting Dune: Messiah -- Denis wants it, the studio wants it, the public wants it, even the cast wants it. It just won't have the same turnaround time between the first two movies. e.g. It may be 6 years instead of 3. This is fine.

[@dmac7128]

I want to see Dune 3 and if we have to wait for a longer time than in between Dune 1 and Dune 2, then so be it. The last thing anyone should want is a rushed production to "cash in" on the success of Dune 2. I think there may be some challenges with the narrative for Dune 3. Dune 2 diverges from the book with some of the character arcs that will necessitate the re-working of Dune Messiah. Aside from that, I wish David Lynch could be convinced to create the final edit of his Dune as he intended. I would have liked to have seen that one. He has disowned that movie so its understandable that he doesn't want to revisit it.

[@ArrakisCentral]

Part 2 will rake in a ton on streaming though. I already pre- ordered on Vudu, and will try my hardest to get the steelbook

[@iamthesayyadina]

Due to the current talks with IATSE and the Teamsters to avert another double strike that would stop all film/TV production, studios aren’t greenlighting anything at the moment because they can’t afford a shut down in the middle of production if AMPTP decides it doesn’t want to pay the people who make the films that make them the piles of money studios make. IATSE has already voted to strike if an agreement can’t be reached and their contract expires July 31st.

[@Koriolis]

Clearsighted and fair observation of the situation. Elaine follows the Bene Gesserit axiom: "Hope clouds observation"!

[@michaelmayo]

Agree with commentor about scheduling. Dune 2 probably had everyone locked in so they could set their schedules - D3 wouldn't have been. Fluffboy, Zenboreya, Bardem and the others are in demand and it may be a problem rounding them up (if) anywhere before 2025. Another factor is that its widely assumed Zazzy is going to sell part or all of Warners, and Legendary (which is owned by the very conservative Chinese) may be waiting to see if the new owners want to snort more spice. They're more likely to greenlight Kong x Godzilla x Sidney Sweenie and her chest cannons first and wait to see what happens with Warners.

[@ruby2411]

I would love to see more about the Bene Gesseritts' , their training, and how they influenced all the houses.

[@TheRealOtakuJoe]

I haven't read the book but my question is, can Dune Messiah be done in one movie or will it take two? That may be a factor in the delay in its announcement because now you have to greenlight two movies not knowing if the first will be successful.

[@James-MexiKop]

It's the shortest book in the series, definitely possible in a single movie. It's arguably the worst book though, not sure it needs to be converted to the big screen.

[@loganastrup6870]

Denis believes he can adapt it in one movie and I think so too. It just might be longer closer to 3 hours or longer. My guess at least

[@eamonnholland5343]

As the book is written, it can be done easily in 1 film. With the changes to the characters and lore from Dune part 2 (which will require explanations and scenes that weren't in the book, to undo the damage), and with Hollywood's penchant for inserting action into book adaptations that don't have it (like Dune Messiah), who knows.

[@robertfrost1683]

@@James-MexiKop BINGO - very dark ending

[@brunomadeira8432]

I was looking at Dune 2 costs and spending 190M on a film with a large awesome cast, so much work needed and a rather long runtime is a pretty efficient use of money and a testament to Villeneuve's direction, inner mind vision and organization. The film has not only broken even but seems it will be a financial success for all involved. I would be surprised if they don't come back for more.

[@RiceCookah]

"When is a gift not a gift?"

[@mikalmos369]

I don't understand what's going on with the studios because Dune was doing better around here in it's last week than it had in its second week and for some reason it vanished out of the Birmingham Alabama area suddenly to be replaced by Ghostbusters and Godzilla

[@davidkay7389]

Palace intrigue and royal Court politics rare translate well into box office success. Messiah doesn't have the action that Dune has, except the stone burner

[@anydaynow01]

I think Apple is doing a good job with adapting the "talking head" story of Foundation and making it entertaining to watch. It's not a perfect interpretation but it's better than watching people talk to one another in a room for hours on end, I'll just listen to the audiobooks again for that. Maybe they can take the lessons learned from that and do a proper Dune story from Dune to God Emperor!

[@ultron374]

But Ddnis might add some stuff from Paul of Dune - to give it more action

[@seanp9277]

The Lion in Winter was fairly successful and extremely well done. Yep, rare indeed.

[@CEOredgrad]

Really hope they make Part 3. After watching part 2, I am craving more!

[@gaubee5708]

Common, the video title was a little on the clickbait side. That said, love your work and keeping us updated. Thank you!

[@zachariahmiddleton5256]

He announced there would be a part 3 on the Colbert Show the week of release for Dune 2.

[@jollygreenjustin]

I still hope to see the God-Emperor in Part Five.

[@ralph90009]

Mary Parent greenlit Serenity while she was at Universal and it underperformed. I'm guessing she's a bit cautious about Sci-fi properties that have a lot of fan hubub.

[@emilywilhite5807]

I’ve seen Dune Part 2 three times in IMAX so far :)

[@Stitchman3875]

It had been confirmed. Dune Messiah is in development.

[@NerdCookies]

"In development" just means that they're working on the script.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

2 is a great movie despite its departure from the book. Dune 3 will just keep going off course.

[@Eysc]

just got confirmed, officially by legendary

[@NerdCookies]

Yes, confirmed to be in development. Which means they're writing the script/screenplay. This has been public knowledge for a few months.

[@stephaniemoore9122]

Denis has said he will only make Messiah if the script is better than Dune 2 & he wants to make another movie 1st he needs a break Timothee has 2 movies he’s doing Dylan RN Florence is filming in Atlanta. Not sure of anyone rlly Z is promoting her movie Timothee said he’d definitely do it so did Z, Josh, Javier it’s just scheduling probably in 2 yrs is my guess We will see bc isn’t he suppose to B 12 yrs older ?

[@CT68]

I kinda feel like themes in Dune, and the later books, conflict with ideas that have been pushed in hollywood lately. I was surprised to see that Dune was as unadulterated as it was, and I wonder if ideology is preventing DM, CoD, and GEoD from being made. I could Amazon pulling another Rings of Power in the "Dune Universe."

[@Onyx-qd9tl]

The hesitation to put wheels in motion on Dune Messiah is actually some of the best news we could hear right now. It’s going to be an exceptionally challenging film to get across to viewers, so if they are taking it seriously and not rushing something out just based on momentum, there’s a good chance they’re going to do the source material justice.

[@ElleWeby]

The director stated he’s almost written the script, so in time he’ll probably film it. He wanted to have a break due to the amount of work Dune 1 and 2 required. I keep my fingers crossed 🤞🏼

[@SoloNit]

Let the man cook for as long as he seems fit. We can wait. We shall wait.

[@NN-oz6rr]

Not concerned. There will be a Dune 3, as there is plenty of demand for it. Denis wants to make a better film than Dune 2? He is capable of doing so. It'll take time to write an excellent script, but he is smart enough and creative enough to do so

[@immortal5812]

Demand for it? Global box office says otherwise, lmao

[@danielbrown2212]

This channel has such valuable content. Very insightful take on this topic! Thank you. (And that voice is so soothing...)

[@kenaustinardenol1338]

How surprising, well, not, really. Its always about the money first, and than comes the stamina of the director and actors involved with such a long term project. Thats why Peter Jackson's work with LOTR is so greatly admired. He went for it full steam. After Dune 1 they should have said: ok, we go for it, we do Messiah and Clildren and put something absolutely incredible on the moviemap for people to enjoy far in the future. Dune 2 just reaffirmed the massive succes of Villeneuve's adapatation. Just stay on course!

[@ChrisBrengel]

If they can't make a movie as good (or almost as good) as part TwoI hope they don't make any movie at all. Part one and part two are so spectacular I don't want the memory being a lame third movie.

[@reecenielsen3148]

Denise can take a break because he can do one of 2 things: recast or wait till everyone gets older and then make the second book because it is 50 years after the 1st one.

[@SunsetRogue]

12 years after the first book