Dune - Bargain with the Baron

Bargain with the Baron

[@BLooDCoMPleX]

I truly wish so many scenes developing Yueh's character weren't cut. I feel like this betrayal came out of nowhere for people who hadn't read the book. It was a very interesting detail that the way Yueh's Suk conditioning was broken wasn't due to his love for his wife, but for his hatred of the Baron. He betrayed the Atreides family because he *wanted* to kill the Baron. I think that also adds so much to the Baron as a villain as well.

[@cornbreadloverrr]

Same

[@judysmith-randle1558]

Agree.

[@saranyas6024]

Paul also reads him in one of his conversations with Yueh in the book. He sees through him that he is hiding something Paul showing potential as a future leader.

[@VideoMask93]

I don't think they could've gotten everything from the book in there, but I think it would've been enough to know Yueh's wife was captured by the Harkonnens--could still have the twist that it's not about his wife, but about his hatred for the Baron.

[@generaljeanmoreau6853]

Yep currently reading it at page 240ish or something. The book trumps this film

[@sussy_6998]

The Baron sounds like a nice man who would honour trade agreements.

[@youdontknowme2913]

Yueh later - *this has been a worst trade deal ever made*

[@Xanitrit_Zeo]

I read somewhere that said when Yueh 'buys his wife's freedom', it's really to mean he's making sure she's dead rather than alive but suffering. He already knows that he's not getting out of this alive, which is why he concocted the plan to kill the Baron.

[@nobodyimportant2510]

My lord is that…..legal….

[@hasanhaitham276]

Honestly Yueh could've got his revenge more easily if he didn't betray the Atreides.

[@normalcat7296]

@@Xanitrit_Zeo agreed

[@preparetoholdyourcolour7080]

"They take her apart like a doll" that sounds so messed up

[@KR-sr1oe]

There are rumors in the book that Dr.Yueh's wife is that weird ant/human creature the Baron keeps as a pet seen before this scene

[@dirtyunclehubert]

i was gonna say: and thus the black monstrosity came to be.

[@u2blr]

Yueh saved Jessica and Paul, freed his wife, almost killed Baron. Such a badass character should have more screen time

[@romilrh]

Yueh a few minutes later: "This has been the worst trade deal, in the history of trade deals, maybe ever"

[@thusitha320]

In the book, Yueh knows 95% that his wife is dead. He knows he will be killed too. He is after vengeance, not after saving the wife. The tooth is his one and only trump card. Unfortunately, the Duke is too drugged and confused to properly use his opportunity ideally. He crushes the tooth while the Baron is too far away, and ends up not killing him in the end.

[@Highinsight7]

@@thusitha320 I know... Yueh should have come up with a better way to get revenge...

[@bait5257]

@@thusitha320 not only that but yueh wins technically. Saves Paul and Jessica, almost killed baron then later killed because he saved Paul. Leto was going to be betrayed sooner or later, let it be yeuh who at least saved Paul

[@Fischstix95]

The whispering, and the spooky Hans Zimmer background music, this moment is so fucking cool!

[@Sk4M_.RangeroftheNorth]

"They take her apart like a doll!" And put her together like a spider.🕷🤣

[@Turboy65]

It was a flaw in Herbert's book, that Yueh didn't understand that his wife was already dead. He should have known. Harkonnens don't reward treachery even against an adversary.

[@ibanez9179]

Never underestimate hope of desperate People....but "hope clouds observation."

[@pstim7584]

I disagree. He hoped that she was dead, probably knew that she would most likely be, but could not be sure, so he had to go along with the Baron's plan.

[@honkhonk8009]

Thats why Yuehs wife wasnt dead. She was transformed into that spider abomination.

[@Gabronthe]

I think part of the deal is to save his wife, if not living, then by getting a proper death.

[@NACLGames]

It was not a flaw. You need to read between the lines to see that Yueh understood the Harkonnens well, he already expected that his wife was most likely dead. Especially critical is that Piter De Vries, whether knowingly or unknowingly, broke Yueh's Imperial conditioning not by holding his wife hostage, but by implanting the desire in Yueh to sacrifice everything to kill the Baron. In the process, Yueh could reason through his conditioning that he was not betraying the duke. Hatred is also implied in the Dune-verse to be one of the most powerful of motivators. De Vries underestimated Yueh's ability to find a way to kill the Baron either way...he was an arrogant twisted-mentat who believe he could reduce humans down to the calculations in his head. Yueh was much more interesting than just some random doctor who broke under the enemy.

[@guyb6665]

I love this movie i can't wait for part 2

[@ktefccre]

I never understood how Dr Yueh turned against Leto. He was certified by the imperium. How was he able to break the conditioning?

[@thisisaname5589]

His wife was a Bene Gesserit, and she was manipulated by them into breaking it with her freaky mind control shenanigans. Then they killed her, but not before torturing her and letting him know about it.

[@Jin-1337]

What is this conditioning?

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

@@Jin-1337 Part of the training of the Suk doctors, of which Yueh was a member, was mental conditioning that made it impossible for them to even consider taking a human life. Imperial-Grade conditioning was the highest form of this conditioning, meaning that a Suk doctor that was Imperial-Grade could be trusted to perform on even the emperor himself.

[@ibanez9179]

With the right leverage you can move the world.

[@cthulawha]

@@thisisaname5589 it was Piter who broke Yueh dude, it was a major accomplishment for him and is in the book

[@bake4795]

not only was the doctor atreides he was also a-traitor

[@beyerch]

Why wouldn't the Dr., just tell the Duke they took/have his wife and lead the Baron into a trap? Seems like that would be the much better option here. Never have understood this plot detail.

[@theoutlook55]

Well, it's not like they'll be bringing his wife along for a military raid. They could still kill her if things went wrong.

[@toast7632]

@@theoutlook55 Also there's no guarantee that the baron himself will be present for the raid

[@beyerch]

​@@theoutlook55 Of course not, but if you capture their leader, pretty sure getting someone released is going to become a much easier conversation...... Besides, the Dr. knows he can't trust the Baron which is why he gives the Duke a poison tooth...... But if he knows he can't trust the Baron then why is he going along ........

[@Highinsight7]

@@toast7632 excellent point... I think Yeuh should have let Leto know everything... and with the help of Jessica... decide what's next.... well before the raid ever happens...

[@Pikkabuu]

@@Highinsight7 Problem is that the moment Harkonnen feel that Yueh has betrayed them they will kill Wanna. So Yueh has no chance but to obey them as otherwise he will lose Wanna.

[@mitodrudito5806]

Even he doesnt betray them, baron will still attack with full force and of course sardaukar is still strongest forces of the houses only rivaled by fremens

[@costco_pizza]

Yes, very terrifying to think about. No matter how prepared they would be, no one goes up against the Sardaukar and lives. NO ONE.

[@d-_-b8558]

@@costco_pizza Except the Fremen. God, I cannot wait for Part 2. Dennis, please adapt the entire book series, I'm begging you.

[@costco_pizza]

@@d-_-b8558 Yes, the Fremen will be worthy foes!!! I expect many on BOTH sides to die in the upcoming battles!!! Very frightening!!!

[@ozymandias3329]

Just like the Sith, the Harkonnens deal in absolutes

[@nickb220]

a smart doctor made a bargain with the baron? lol

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

I mean, he knew he wasn't going to live. He just wanted the Baron to die, and saw this as his best chance

[@davfree9732]

Yueh: Leto... I've come to bargain!

[@danielplainview2584]

Deal with the Devil.

[@Highinsight7]

yup

[@nomadic-loyalist]

Haha he says he made a shaitan's bargain in the book so you're right

[@sephykun88]

Asmr 🤌

[@karnasingh860]

So this guy single handedly deactivate all of the shields and attacked the Duke lol like how the fuck he gets his training

[@quizno1965]

The Atreides Legions are the finest in the Imperium. Trained by Gurney Halleck and Duncan Idaho.

[@davidintrabartolo5887]

Yueh was literally the last person anyone thought of betraying the Atreides due to his Imperial conditioning and this surprise went a long way. Sukh doctors like Yueh were thought to be totally incapable of betraying their clients no matter what thanks to the conditioning imposed upon them by the Sukh school. This allowed for a healthy level of trust between Sukh doctors and extremely powerful clients, namely the Padishah Emperor, in a world where poison, betrayal and plots run rampant. Yueh was the first and only exception to this otherwise ironclad rule.

[@Avenus112]

I wonder if Herbert realized that in a peerage barons are four steps lower in authority than a duke. The harkonnen would suck up to Leto his entire life.

[@mathieuroussel9422]

It's mentioned in the wiki that they were most likely disgraced at one point and rose up again because of their wealth. The fact that they held Arrakis made them among the richest houses in the galaxy.

[@Avenus112]

@@mathieuroussel9422 neat thankyou for the background. I came across as snottier than I intended to, apoligies.

[@evannesbitt7852]

I think it's a part of the futility of this feudal system. That by all rights, and technically speaking, the Harkonnens should be below the Atriedes but by their exploitation of their homeworld, Giedi Prime and of Arrakis, they are even wealthier than the Emperor Shaddam

[@calmorgan6925]

I’m sorry to say but dr yueh’s betrayal is complete weak sauce . Yes his wife was captured but he was in service to one of if not the most powerful house in the imperium (heck that’s why all this drama started in the first place, with house atreides growing in popularity/power ) he could’ve easily had trusted Leto with tasking with getting his wife back , instead he helped spark a larger conflict 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Pikkabuu]

Or the Baron made it clear that the only way to save Yueh's wife was to work for him as the Atreides couldn't do anything that didn't break the laws of the War of Assassins.

[@supercookieduster]

nothing worse than a trator

[@JW-do2wc]

Would have made more sense for him to say "They threaten to take her apart like a doll."

[@rachet9035]

Why? Yueh had every reason to believe his wife was either in the process of being slowly tortured or that she was already dead.

[@JW-do2wc]

@@rachet9035 Than why would he go all out on doing what he's doing if his wife is dead? No reason then to betray Leto.

[@thebrunoserge]

@@JW-do2wc To kill the Baron

[@joshuawaldorf9559]

They should have had Yueh say "They threaten to take her apart like a doll." What do you think?

[@sectorgovernor]

It would have been much better

[@Jrdn357]

@@sectorgovernor No it wouldn't have, lmao. He says they ARE taking her apart like a doll because they are actively torturing her and will finish the job if he doesn't do this. They're not threating to, they ARE doing it.

[@evannesbitt7852]

No

[@velianlodestone1249]

This scene was done better in 1984

[@velianlodestone1249]

@@ROBOROBOROBOROBO Probably true, tbh.

[@rharris4736]

This is one of the scenes that the Sci-Fi channel miniseries did best. There aren't many, but this is one of them.

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

@@rharris4736 I honestly don't remember the miniseries' version of it. All I can recall are all the things they did terrible like those stupid costumes.

[@rharris4736]

@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 I'm inclined to agree, with a handful of exceptions. I loved the way the miniseries version used color imagery (Harkonnen = red, Corrino = purple, Atreides and Fremen = Green and Blue, though they sometimes mixed up which was which). Now, when it comes to those ridiculous hats on the Sardaukar uniforms, yeah. You're right, no debate. If I saw a legion of those guys coming at me I'd be likely to die from laughter before they reached me.

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

@@rharris4736 Oh yeah I was OK with the color scheme, but hell yeah the Sardaukar in that miniseries, I remember laughing my ass off and my friends cracking jokes about the attack of the French bakers.