Dune: Motivation of The Bene Gesserit Explained in FIVE Minutes

The Bene Gesserit sisterhood has been in operation for thousands of years. Allow me to explain.
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[@Jamarn]

The Bene Gesserit = the original Spice Girls.

[@manuell3505]

Before the spice was found, they were into psychedelics, which is kind of interesting since many ancient cultures and even animals do this. I had mushrooms a long time ago. Quite strange, and a bad idea to do that every week, but there's certainly more inside. I remember I was disgusted by tobacco while I was a quite addicted smoker, and I lost all sense of modern society. Like, money is a joke and MTV was mental insanity.

[@shanenolan8252]

Spice up your life .

[@MrAngerissues1]

Good one!😂👍

[@juanspinzanti5724]

Space girls

[@ugoeze7360]

SpiceWorld was a detailed explanation on how their order first formed

[@eriksalholm]

“What do we want? Control over humanity! When do we want it? In several millennia!”

[@jasonkraley]

"Our plans are measured in centuries." when i heard that line, i was fascinated by the authenticity to the book(s)!

[@Shan_Dalamani]

Millennia, more like. According to the Dune Encyclopedia (the only Dune fiction that was actually approved by Frank Herbert, not the bullshit his son wrote), the Bene Gesserit were an old order well before the Butlerian Jihad. The Jihad happened when an AI medical machine decided that Bene Gesserit sister Jehane Butler's fetus was defective and aborted the about-to-be-born baby. Jehane Butler's fetus was a girl - who would have been named Sarah, and who would have been the mother of the Kwisatz Haderach. This happens over 10,000 years BEFORE the events of the "Dune" novel.

[@seano0o415]

Sounds like Herbett was reading about Rome and the Catholic Church - it's called Romanità!

[@arctan2010]

In the new movie, I really like Lady Jessica showing her vulnerability and conflict when it comes to her son and her duty to her order.

[@ruthbennett7563]

I really enjoyed the treatment of her character: agonized in private, PERFECT in company. She is delicate, but adaptable & wickedly strong… just like a certain desert mouse we might notice?

[@glemmstengal]

plus she's hot

[@jeremytitus9519]

@@glemmstengal That movie is just filled to bursting with sexy people acting their sexy asses off. It's a double win for Cinema.

[@dantefromdevilmaycry9857]

@@glemmstengal BONK! No horny!

[@jimuren2388]

I dunno. I see that I am in the minority here but I thought the portrayal was too surfacy. I think she should be perfect nearly all the time and find much more subtle ways to expose the doubts inside. Her training should make her extremely hard to read. She's emoting all over the place in this movie. That might work for someone just viewing the movie but if you've read the book, the conflict is jarring.

[@dorcaswinter8296]

My favourite line from the movie, in relation to this was - “They see what they’ve been told to see.” (Such a simple but powerful line.)

[@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341]

That was a good example of adaptation. I don't believe that line is from the book but in one sentence it captured the BG's manipulation of entire populations.

[@Psykout]

@@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341 The movie is absolutely littered with moments like that, and honestly it was necessary to make the film succeed. Most of them needed zero dialog to explain, you just got it. The pacing would have been so bad if they spent time going too far down the rabbit hole of Dune lore.

[@W31985]

"Here I am, here I remain!"

[@lex.cordis]

Does anybody realize that this movie/story is an allegory for what's _actually happening_ in reality? Bene Gesserit are a stand-in for the secret occult orders that have always secretly controlled our world, and they describe their agenda perfectly in the movie. Look at our world and everything going on. It's telling the same story. They gave the world all of their religions to serve their greater plan for the world. It's mind-boggling to me that I never see anyone point this out. The timing of the movie was also interesting.

[@wattsnottaken1]

It means the Bene Gesserit have been at work here. Planting superstitions? Preparing the way, Paul

[@emanueldesousa77]

Saw the movie today with my wife, who never saw Lynch’s erosion, or read the books or saw the tv series and yet, she was able to follow the plot perfectly. I think Vileneuve did a fantastic job with the plot. By the way, my wife loved it.

[@BlackEpyon]

Also saw it today. Lynch's version is important if you want to understand the references and art style of the Westwood Dune games, but otherwise it's a B-movie. Vileneuve's version omitted a few details, but stayed pretty true to the book otherwise. It wasn't quite how I expected it to go, but I wasn't at all disappointed. I can't comment on how well it works for people who weren't into the novels, but the action sequences were awesome, and you could really get a sense of the sheer scale of things. Definitely picking up a copy once it comes out on video.

[@glenn_r_frank_author]

My wife also neevr read the book or saw the previous movie... but she also was surprised she could follow the plot from the movie! That is really something to expose people to a complicated novel through movie and let them follow it... and also it was amazing to me who has read the book in the past year. Excellent movie making.

[@ToadeRTroniX]

Same with my wife. She got mad at me when it was over. She would have sat through another 2.5 hours to find out what happens.

[@PatrickOMulligan]

Show her the miniseries next.

[@PatrickOMulligan]

@@glenn_r_frank_author Show her the miniseries next.

[@nickfunkhouser550]

I love the mystery of the Bene Gesserit and how Villenueve portrayed them. It was straight goosebumps. Especially the cinematography of them arriving at their palace on Caladan was haunting.

[@andreyzhuchkov1882]

yeah the first part had many trippy moments like this. The second was more straightforward. That arrival scene reminded me of his cinematogropy from Blade Runner. There were many shots like this one. Again not so much in the second part. I mean who gave him those notes not to indulge in this...

[@denlo9009]

These 5 minute shorts you're putting out are great. Spread the word far and wide. I hope this becomes Villeneuve's LOTR. Of course I want him to do the entire series but ending with messiah would be fitting given his position on making the dune movies.

[@idoomedsarnath2783]

I honestly think we are going to see a taste of Messiah at the end of part 2 and it will be called there. But, time will tell, fingers crossed for a God-Emperor movie!

[@PiLLbOt100]

@@idoomedsarnath2783 A god emperor movie is all I want next!

[@PatrickOMulligan]

If this was going to be Villeneuve's LOTR it would have had the same detail the miniseries did in the same amount of time. Not less.

[@tgiacin435]

@@PatrickOMulligan that’s why I say they need to make a director’s cut combining parts 1 and 2 plus adding the deleted scenes the cut from the theatrical run

[@tgiacin435]

@@idoomedsarnath2783 but messiah is 12 years later

[@charlesajones77]

I was very glad to see that the new movie does include the Missionaria Protectiva, though they never call it that. It's the seeding of cultures with myths and superstitions by the Bene Gesserit, that they can exploit should one of them be trapped there. The previous two adaptations suggest that Paul really is the prophesied "Messiah", but that's a lie. The Bene Gesserit set up the situation where Paul can make himself out to be the Messiah they've been hoping for, for his, and his family's, benefit. They created both the prophesy and the means to fulfill it.

[@michaelfisher7170]

They created all of it through cautious, careful means over centuries, only to lose control of it at the critical moment. Plans within plans within plans.....

[@theeffete3396]

Succinctly observed by Paul in the first chapter of the book: the Bene Gesserit's function is politics.

[@Ploon72]

I seem to remember the term coming up when they arrive on Arrakis. Maybe my memory filled in that blank.

[@falxonPSN]

@@markv785 don't they also reference him as "the shortening of the way?" I swear I remember that from the book.

[@Ploon72]

@@markv785 I was referring to the comment on the Missionaria Protectiva. I seem to remember it being mentioned. Time for a second viewing!

[@TacoTuesdays69]

What they really want is a sequel. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[@9razzler9]

this is a given

[@coalminecanary1277]

Underrated comment lmao

[@MrMocny82]

Sequel? We want a trilogy

[@anonymousname5860]

Nope I want the whole Frank Herbert book adaptations.

[@1rjona]

@@MrMocny82 a trilogy is not enough considering they divided book 1 into 2 movies

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

Ironically, the Bene Gesserit got exactly what they wanted in the God Emperor. And oh how they hated it lol.

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

God like power is only nice when you are the one controlling it lol

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

@@thearcanamodernau8130 That was the overarching theme of Dune, though, that getting what you want isn't necessarily all that good. And Leto, having godlike power, didn't think it was nice at all. He was miserable.

[@AndyMalex]

This is the most absurd part)

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

The genetic memories thing is especially interesting as the number of matrilineal or patrilineal ancestors an individual has goes up linearly with generations, whilst the number of ancestors overall a person has goes up exponentially e.g. everyone reading this has 1 matrilineal great-great-grandmother, but 32 great-great-grandparents in general. So having access to memories from ancestors of both sexes (Assuming you could access your fathers, mothers father...etc.) would represent much more knowledge - millions or billions of people, compared to thousands.

[@jimuren2388]

This is perhaps the coolest part of the original book's plot. The BGs have enormous powers and yet enormous limitations. A powerful force in the Dune world but not all-powerful. Your explanation is clear, good job.

[@paintthesilence9891]

HBO is working on a Dune Spin-Off series about the Bene Gesserit, called "Dune: The Sisterhood"

[@0321Dave]

The depiction of the Bene Gesserit in the new movie was done so well!!! That box scene…… the casting….. part two will be epic

[@Hans_Niemand]

Your enthusiasm for the 2021 Dune influenced me to see it at an early showing rather than wait for bargain day at the cinema. You made a good call.

[@tgiacin435]

This was the first movie I saw in the Dolby digital theater at amc, and it was so worth it.

[@michaelfisher7170]

From Chapterhouse Dune....."She (Darwi Odrade) could feel the bond tugging at her and recognized it with the fine edge of her Bene Gesserit abilities. Love, damnable love, weakening love....she understood what had happened to the Lady Jessica and the other Bene Gesserit failures. This feeling was love! And look at the troubles this hidden force had caused the Bene Gesserit over the millennia. The Lady Jessica and her love for her Duke had been only one example among countless others. Love clouded reason. It diverted the Sisters from their duties. Love could be tolerated only where it caused no immediate and obvious disruptions or where it served the larger purposes of the Bene Gesserit. Otherwise it was to be avoided." It almost stirs a pang of sympathy for the Bene Gesserit who come to realize this. At least it does with me.

[@w0mblemania]

A good point. Having said that, Odrade would have been horrified at this Jessica's lack of emotional and physical control. Obviously, it was overplayed for the needs of drama, but it wasn't BG-level.

[@toddkes5890]

@@w0mblemania Odrade would have also asked Jessica why Jessica didn't have a second child with Duke Leto. At the very least, Duke Leto would have understood the phrase "an heir and a spare". Or the Bene Gesserit could have phrased it as "we sent you one of our daughters, you will send us one of yours"

[@vergyltantor3211]

In Heritics of Dune, there is no denying who is the greatest threat to the sisterhood is. But who is the greatest heretic, Darwi Odrade or the Honored Matres?

[@w0mblemania]

@@vergyltantor3211 Odrade did what she did to keep some semblance of the Sisterhood alive. Without her, the HM's would have eventually found all the BG, wiped them out.

[@theeffete3396]

@VergylTantor That's the thing, *everyone* in that book is a heretic in one way or another... and sometimes on multiple levels.

[@KingOfMadCows]

I always thought that because the Bene Gesserit spent so many generations planting superstitions and religions across the universe that they started to believe in their own made superstitions. And I think they're also overconfident in how much they actually gain from their Other Memory. Because they can only recall as much of each past life up to the moment of conception, so they're only getting a small part of the actual knowledge and experience of each past life.

[@KarbinCry]

I don't think they believe in their own misionaria protective. If anything they are dismissive of those influenced by those engineered myths. It's more that the Bene Gesserit believe they know best, always. It is less superstition and belief, and more pure arrogance and pride.

[@barbiquearea]

That makes sense. I think their complacency and overconfidence in their own prophecies made them too arrogant.

[@hannabaal150]

"Because they can only recall as much of each past life up to the moment of conception" Whose conception are you referring to?

[@BlackEpyon]

Not just conception, they also do their "sharing," such as depicted in Chapterhouse, which is more "up to date."

[@hecate235]

I think you're forgetting that when Reverend Mothers share "Other Memory," they can pretty much piece together the whole of human history. I've always wondered just how far back along our genetic track they can go...

[@wesleymons]

im obsessed with the bene gesserit!! i cant wait for the hbo max series!!

[@ruthbennett7563]

Yes! Though I’m pretty sex-positive in real life, I worry about HBO’s penchant for gratuitous “sexposition” to hamper the pacing & overall quality of this potential series.

[@SaxonFaust]

I want them to go out like order 66

[@Steamerbeen]

Said something like “our plans are measured in centuries” or similar that I thought was cool!! (Chess)

[@katharinaharke6907]

Whaaat? There is going to be a series about Bene Gesserit??? 😳

[@orion7873]

I have little faith in HBO ... they'll add sex scenes for no reason and make half the cast gay.

[@briancohen-doherty4392]

Looking forward to seeing Dune multiple times, and reading the rest of the books :) I love the depth you get into in even short videos !!

[@michaelfisher7170]

If you haven't read the entire series yet I envy you for the rabbit hole you're about to discover. Come along! There are multitudes of us who have journeyed through Herbert's epic and have discovered a great many things! Hope you enjoy it every bit as much as I have!

[@KittyNinjas]

The imagination of this author is out of this world! So amazing! Love it! Oh and love this channel too! Thanks for explaining.

[@toastanator]

Seriously thank you so much for these small digestible videos. It makes it easier to turn people to your channel and get more people into dune.

[@hydrogenv1]

Your ability to break down and explain Herbert's writing is pretty impressive. Keep it up.

[@stephenparallox]

Hands down, best explanation of the Bene Gesserit. Nice work Quinn, love your channel.

[@jackkennard4539]

Quinn I've heard/read all the mentioned before and you put them all together so it makes perfect sense now. Thanks & well done

[@lilahbenzev5178]

I really need you to make more updated videos. These are so helpful with zero spoilers

[@AndrewEddie]

Thanks. Enjoying these short refreshers.

[@ruthbennett7563]

Ride the sand wave, Mighty Quinn. Sink the clamps & hold fast. I hope your channel/creative work finally gets the recognition it richly deserves.

[@alexanderwaite9403]

I live your narration, passion and knowledge of SciFi and passing it on to us. Keep up the great work!!!!

[@brownnjeff]

Quinn, I just want to express that I REALLY enjoy your content. Keep up the great work!

[@charlesperkins5701]

Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into these videos. I watched Dune on HBO first, but I’m going to watch it again in theaters to support the movie. Because of these videos I will have such a greater appreciation for the film going forward.

[@AtlantisStarseed8]

Well, Quinn! This, is your time to SHINE even more with the sequels and possible mini series for the Emperors home world.

[@jamessmith7205]

Love how you are keeping the Spice flowing for us. This is God's work!!!

[@arthurr.r.lucasspublicdoma5621]

You mean this is Shai-Hulud's work.

[@jamessmith7205]

@@arthurr.r.lucasspublicdoma5621 tha God Leto II works in mysterious ways cuh

[@jeremytitus9519]

Bless the Maker and his Channel. Bless the recording and the uploading of Him. May His videos inform the World. May He keep the World for His subscribers.

[@chibidakis1]

*God-Emperor Leto Atriedes the 2nd

[@hannabaal150]

@@arthurr.r.lucasspublicdoma5621 Or Shaitan's perhaps, if one's name is Sheeana, Mistress of Worms.

[@lockhorntwo]

Hey Quinn, thank you for the clear and simple breakdown.

[@JamezDahlMusic]

The music in this is fire 🔥

[@goldmagistrate5732]

Man I learned a lot from this channel the past few days.

[@cheekoandtheman]

I have been looking for your Chapterhouse Dune explanation video. Love your work ! Thanks :)

[@magicbindi]

This has been so helpful for me, thank you I adore Dune but have not yet read the books but your videos are so educational without being laborious, what a fascinating tale Dune is!!

[@tommason1814]

fantastic vid man :) ive read Dune a few times and loved it, and thought I basically knew everything about it. Your videos though peel pack a whole new layer sometimes, great work :)

[@chrisfortune1813]

As a long time fan of the Dune series and avid re-reader I often find myself in slight disagreement with some of your observations about the nuance of the book however I must say this is one of the best concise explanations of the Bene Gesserit motivations and methods I have seen, ever. Thank you for doing these pieces and please continue as even when I disagree with your positions I always find your arguments insightful and compelling, not always enough to change my mind but always enough to question my own perception.

[@scottash351]

One question, if the Bene Gesserit planted the superstition that Paul would come and be a messiah, why were they so surprised when Jessica had a boy child and not a girl?

[@chrisfortune1813]

@@scottash351 The superstition was that an outworlder would come as a saviour not specifically Paul, with Jessica knowing the pattern these traditions would take she was able to mold the perception of Paul into that pattern,

[@Bodhi594]

Thanks for explaining this in a way that I could understand. This Dune stuff is so complicated. Subscribed!

[@steveaverett]

Loving all the Dune content inspired by the release of the movie. Keep up the great work!

[@jainamturakhia4688]

keep up with the great content! Love having your research on the timeline

[@guillaumedouhe2729]

Hi I found you not long ago, and your videos are cool, informative and clear. I love it!

[@chibidakis1]

Seeing it for the 4th time tonight. It honestly gets better with each view. Yet drives my thirst more for part 2 😭

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

I have HBO max so I’m just watching certain scenes again whenever

[@dordogne]

Quinn, very well done. 100% spot on.

[@apostatereacts]

Such a perfect explanation, thank you! ❤

[@DaveDuncanMusic]

Love the channel my dude!!

[@mandertweed7544]

These 5 minute videos are great! I saw the movie and decided to start the books and there's a lot going on. These vids help sort it out. 👏👏👏

[@timwilliams6409]

I like your voice, your view, and your way of sharing a cool story. So I subscribed. It is enjoyable, but elementary dear Quinn. Take no offence, I'm glad you're helping peeps understand. I'm Old School: found Dune decades ago, have read all 6 books and figured them out on my own. That's why I was very happy when Herbert's son (a top writer on his own, before joining with another top author) picked up his Father's Universe. They wrote books filling in gaps, extending knowledge of history, then a while after Frank's death, found in his papers the table of contents for the 7th book. There was so much he joked it would take over 1,000 pages in a book to write, which was too much. So he and his friend finished his father's series, answering all the lingering questions - in book 7 and 8. There are now something around 19 Dune books. And all of them are worth reading.

[@Gwilherm]

Quinn, your videos are masterful!

[@forloveofthepage2361]

The thing about them that always bothered me is: How did they think they were going to control the super being they intended to make. With power like that, no one can control them.

[@lesdaniel4584]

By indoctrination, how else ?

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

The short answer is hubris. The Bene Gesserit’s Hubris is a recurring plot point in the entire series.

[@forloveofthepage2361]

@Donald Donald i get that, but their goal is to make the most powerful being and then control that being. Seems like a fools errand.

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

Exactly. I think that even if their original plan worked and the Kwizats Haderach was on their side like they wanted, he would have ended up doing whatever the hell he wanted. If they couldn't control Jessica despite being heavily conditioned, they couldn't have controlled a god like creature

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

​@@lesdaniel4584well, Jessica was heavily indoctrinated and they still couldn't control her screwing up their centuries long plan. Their indoctrination would be a joke to a creature whose power is bigger than the entire sisterhood

[@Kevin117]

Just watched the new dune without knowing anything about the books. This channel is great for the back story. Great stuff

[@jamesf8783]

Saw it a second time and a couple parts startled me when "the voice " is used. I understand the movie way better thanks to your videos!

[@mrredhatter]

Thank you for clearing this up for me.

[@editname3502]

I just want to say I really love all your videos

[@ChristianCabralGDL]

Dude I love your content. Thanks!

[@kdubs9111]

Sad how necessary these primers are yet so satisfying people want to learn

[@guyagena8205]

"Sad"? How so?

[@kdubs9111]

@@guyagena8205 They tried and failed? They tried and died.

[@ioanaiuliana6247]

Hands down! Best video ever!

[@ajsantiago8574]

I thought it was clearly explained in the movie with Jessica and Mohiam's interaction after the Gom Jabbar, but the added backstory here was very helpful. Liked!

[@frepi]

Very good description. Thank you

[@deepfictionanime]

I would really advise everyone to listen to the "Bene Gesserit" soundtrack. That music had me thrilled all the time.

[@cqbarnieify]

Great explanation. Thank you!

[@darrylcoan8452]

I tried to read Dune years ago and failed. I also watched the old movie but don’t remember enjoying it much. YOUR videos have quite literally made me a Dune fan… without ever really touching the true canon myself. I really appreciate your effort, intelligence and creativity!

[@laboy14]

Thank you for explaining this!!

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

The absolute hubris of the Bene Gesserit to dare such a thing is also part of what dooms humanity. And they do engage in serious reforms when Paul’s son takes over and by Heretics it’s a very different organization.

[@shangtsung2450]

Nice exposition. Thank you.

[@Blitzkrieg1012]

Your dune videos are so good

[@merundagon2669]

Your Intro Music is fantastic . Best regards

[@DrBonely]

Awesome, succinct explanation!

[@AlphaGeminorum1]

Quinn, I love it that you're so into scifi that you get deeply into the weeds about everything. You are the MAN!

[@MrPeanutButter907]

this 4 min video pretty much fills in all the gaps that book readers know about, that movie watchers don't, at least the important stuff about Paul's supposed Destiny

[@swirlcrop]

Thanks for the great video. You have great videos.

[@compub3ar]

I figured out who the voice was in Paul's head when he was seeing possible futures: Grandma Gaius Helen. She was suggesting that he submit to death and make way for the Kwizatz Hadderach.

[@theeffete3396]

Mohiam is NOT Paul's grandmother, Tanidia Nerus is/was. The "retcon" that Mohiam used the name of Nerus for the breeding records is just Brian "the hack" Herbert's shameless attempt to justify his sloppy storytelling. I refuse to accept that excuse as canon, and anyone with respect for Frank's work should too.

[@compub3ar]

@@theeffete3396 The Dune Encyclopedia suggests otherwise. While we will probably never know if Frank Herbert actually left notes confirming, we do know that he endorsed the Encyclopedia before his death and the 'Nerus-Mohaim Controversy' is in there. Narratively it's a beautiful twist and I lean towards the Grandma Gaius side. And hey, I'm no great fan of Brian Herbert and that other guy either but your contempt and spite seems to be disproportionate. You alright?

[@tracywindsor6263]

Just discovered your channel, well done.

[@nanogyth]

I don’t think the goal of the BG was direct control. They were trying to improve the system of government. Create a better “chained leviathan”. But the KH golden path wasn’t the narrow corridor they were looking for.

[@mckitty4907]

Wow your style is so cool haha, looks futuristic

[@alaakela]

The motivation of the BG: power to control. One of the most chilling line from the movie, D2: " there are no sides"

[@hollyrose2418]

The dune series is so interesting but at the same time so insane to wrap my head around! I love it. I’m gonna start reading the books.

[@ElJorro]

Perfect explanation

[@_Glorie_]

Hi Quinn. If you are ever so inclined I would love a deep dive on the character of Jessica. She’s one of my favorite characters in the saga. Love your work💕

[@acu8792]

Excellent work

[@JettRSmith]

Well that was super helpful! Thank you.

[@antcow1239]

Bene Gesserit: Finally! We have made a Kwizat haderach! KH: Yeah you did, feels great being so awesome. BG: Right, now kneel before us, you are under our control! KH: No. BG: OBEY! (The Voice.) KH: No. Also, YOU KNEEL! (The Voice.) BG: But we created you! A superior being that we have striven for! KH: Well the good news is, you succeeded. But the bad news is, you succeeded. Why would a superior being, bow to you?

[@DzinkyDzink]

So they went all the way back to machine overlords of the past.

[@monsterboomer8051]

He is so perfect he can even master Hamon.

[@nicholaserasmus3693]

Succinct and beautifully explained - thank you!

[@aimesdavid2800]

I will be following your channel for a while. You tell the story and don't implement any politics. Thank you good sir. 👍

[@barbiquearea]

Little did anyone know the Kwisatz Haderach wasn't actually Paul. He and his sister Alia were more like the experimental stepping stone and precursors to the actual Kwisatz Haderach which was Paul's son Leto II. So in essence the Bene Gesserit weren't off when they assumed the Kwisatz Haderach was just one generation away within the Atreides bloodline.

[@Aurora2097]

Even leto wasn't, he was an unplanned freak of nature as well.The sisterhood inntheir arrogance be,ieved too strong in their plans and devices...while future never can be planned q00%

[@goyasolidar]

Paul was the Kwisatz Haderach, as was his son Leto II. Paul just couldn't bear the burden of carrying out the Golden Path which is why he blinded himself to escape that destiny.

[@MrHawkMan777]

I would love to see an alternate timeline of this universe where the bene gesseirit's plan succeeded and how the kwisats haderach under their supervision would play out.

[@bezoznaught5261]

I'm actually glad it was only recently I've been looking into Dune lore, I heard about it years ago, but i didn't know or care much about it, but now I'm probly going to read it because the new movie was so interesting to me.

[@tgiacin435]

It was funny how I learned about dune. It started with seeing a figure of the Baron from the 80s movie, with no context. Then I learned about the Giger art for it while watching how they made alien. Still no context to the story. And then one of the families from a homeschool group had it, but I never picked it up. Then like 8 years later, I saw a review of the og movie and it finally all came together

[@chodgon1981]

Great explanation

[@wellesmorgado4797]

Great analysis!

[@peribabbles8603]

In short: LOVE! Love messed the plans of millennia of planning. Depending on someone's point of view that might be beautiful or a disaster.

[@theeffete3396]

Yes. Frank seems to have been fascinated with Love as a motivational force. That concept surfaces in a lot of his other books too.

[@lalazalomon03]

Hi Quinn! Love your videos! This is the first time I really want to keep up with a movies success... Do you know where I can be informed if or when they do confirm the second part? Or how well Dune does in the box office? Thanks! Keep it up!

[@lylibu]

Another great vid

[@markwaldron8954]

This is slightly off-topic, but perhaps you might consider a video about the influence of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom novels on Frank Herbert? By now it's all but a cliche to point out the influence of Herbert on George Lucas, but I see Herbert's opus as being in turn rather deeply derivative of Burroughs. The desert planet, the use among a high-tech society of primitive weaponry like swords and knives (which Herbert as least come up with an explanation for, via personal Holztmann shields), the ornithopter-like flying machines used on Barsoom, even the myserious, almost messianic character of John Carter....these all strike me as having influenced Herbert deeply, especially since a young boy of his generation would have almost certainly been familiar with Burroughs' work. It's also worth pointing out that in the early drafts of Herbert's work, the planet involved was not a desert planet in another star system, but instead revolved around the terraforming of Mars, i.e. Barsoom.

[@HansLemurson]

Very interesting!

[@ARBB1]

Thanks for the video.

[@TinMan445]

I always found it interesting that they feared the very thing they had been plotting to create all this time. Like they wanted to save humanity, but only on their terms and ironically probably would have done the opposite.

[@dandyjandon4231]

the spice flows this weekend!

[@hecate235]

Not "control." Ultimately, the Bene Gesserit wants what every mother wants: for her children to survive, prosper, and to see her grandchildren. Only the BG have epanded this to the entire human race. They want humans to survive -- come what may. And to do that they need to see ahead as well as behind. In a sense, Leto was the BG's ultimate success. He "saw" that prescience would become a trap for humans somewhere in the future. So he lived on till no-ships were invented, and random mutations produced Siona -- who could evade prescience.

[@MuantanamoMobile]

What phrase is used to define someone who believes that their way is the only way? ...Controlling.

[@bartswitalski]

There is concept of devouring mother, one that "cares" so much, that she'll controll life of her child down to every detail devouring all freedom, choice and happiness

[@nickagriesti6708]

Quite the contrary. One of THE central motifs of the dune franchise is the futility of the human drive to control chaos. The Bene Gesserit are perhaps the Prime embodiment of this idea. In order to control, one must exist outside of the system being operated upon, not within it. The Sisterhood was moving according to a higher order that it was neither aware nor in control of. It was always, even into the later books, a component of the system it sought to control. This connects to another theme of the books that Quinn actually discusses regularly: when a species reaches a certain size, it ceases to function as a concentration of individuals and begins to function as one vast organism. Herbert explicitlya states over and over that the gaoal was control, and he built a unique manifestation of that drive into literally every single faction and party in the universe. He also explicitly states that the Bene Gesserit were victim to this myopia. Even if there is a maternal element, tht element is subordinate to the hubris of seeking to control chaos.

[@flameknightplayz2939]

I think the BG are just winging it, like since they can't see the future they are just enacting countless plans and projects in hopes that one succeeds. They see the goal of the Kwisatz Haderach but cannot see every path that will lead to its creation, and so they need control. They were right tho, the KH will save humanity, and their plan going to shit due to Jessica actually saved everybody, but if the BG ever 100% succeeded then we are all doomed. They do love humanity, but their plan is like 50/50 we all live or we all die.

[@theeffete3396]

@hecate235 True... but "control" is still an apt term for the process the Sisterhood chose to take. Their Kwisatz Haderach ("the Shortening of The Way") was intended to create their desired future sooner by bridging Time. They alone wanted to decide the future of humanity... and likely cause it's extinction in the process. Would a BG-controlled KH see the necessity of the Golden Path? Would the BG allow it?

[@sethgrgrgr5668]

another great video