Dune Prophecy S2 Writers Face a Critical Choice | Brian vs. Frank Herbert

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[@anthonywarren9885]

I think it's time for you to call it quits. You don't have the emotional and mental competency to review anything. Sorry kid

[@henrymach]

I'm actually enjoying the show while being full aware that it's pure fanfic

[@JesseRignall]

I mean, if you just take it for what it is it's still watchable. Not the best, not the worst.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

I think Henry has the right idea. But I have a slight worry that too much "fanfic Dune" could spoil my sense of awe and wonder of real Frank Herbert Dune adaptations.

[@Daniel_9_verse_9]

Same here

[@ArchDudeify]

yeah totally, it's better this way they can make something with 'otherness' from books

[@westower7898]

Frank..always Frank as priority.

[@fremen13]

I think it's kinda clear the writers didn't really read Dune which is wild to me. Things like random characters calling sandworms "shai hulud" completely take me out of the show. Imo we need something like a great house plotting something that's not just Atreides, Corrino, or Harkonnen. Think of the Tyrells and what they added to game of thrones. Frank didn't care about that because he was just writing about the dynamics of one character on one planet but even then he introduced Fenring of which there's no equivalent in the show.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

The few writers they had once were all men in preproduction until you guessed it... Fake outrage from whiny snowflake liberals and cue diverse women writers from all colors, whom, as you have noticed we're only chosen to quiet the outrage crowd, despite their blatant lack of familiarity, let alone respect for, the Frank Herbert Dune universe. Basically the immutable characteristics of the these hack writers controlled the ultimate outcome of the show for the sole reason of satisfying a woke mob.

[@jakeg3733]

Yeah, that's a problem. _No one_ but the Fremen call sandworms that, and while those things are widely respected they are not worshipped by the Imperium at large

[@Greg29]

Yeah I thought the same when the Empress called a sandworm Shai-Hulud, the writers dropped the ball big time.

[@jakeg3733]

@Greg29 Disappointing. No one except the Fremen venerate sandworms like that. No one. The rest of the Imperium certainly have a healthy respect for them, and appreciate what they produce, but they don't deify those monsters

[@AHomelessDorito]

I think it comes down to how much of a production hell this show was in. So many different directions this show was taking over the years it took to be released ruined the story. I think going forward with one mind at the helm will significantly improve the show.

[@darrenjones5885]

Frank Herbert’s writing had confidence. He didn’t explain because he had no need to explain. He wrote a thing and it was so because he wrote it. The others…. insecure, constantly trying to validate their writing with explanation. I read a couple of their books and gave up. There’s probably better fan fiction.

[@Nekoyama69]

Same here. Sure, you can spend your time reading better books.

[@quentincollins1825]

Not exactly Breaking Bad level TV, but I'm basically enjoying it. As for Frank's mind...it simply cannot be duplicated or matched. If only we had his head in a Futurama jar... 😔

[@kruzidru1374]

Frank explained the philosophy in detail. He just didn’t care about how space ships and sci fi nightclubs work, because he didn’t care about them. They weren’t the point.

[@christopherbartley6400]

I would watch a 3 season arc that wraps up the current plot while introducing Mentats and Navigators

[@christopherbartley6400]

That being said, a faithful (a la Peter Jackson) adaptation of GEoD, HoD, and CD would be far superior.

[@Banzai431]

I hiss when I hear the names Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson. Look what you did, you made me hiss!

[@Ason19]

Kinda embarrassing and tragic a son has to live in the shadow of his father's great work. Very appropriate for the story of Dune on meta level though.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

But all he had to do was let a great writer continue his father's story. Brian writes at a 7th grade level. Brian is single-handedly responsible for the trash that he writes and the hate he gets for exploiting his father's work. This never had to be the case. It is entirely Brian's fault.

[@thecaptainsarse]

There is nothing wrong with living in his father’s shadow. But being a good steward of that shadow is what makes it great.

[@douglassmith3016]

I like: the Bene Gesserit seemed to have quietly infiltrated everything. I not like: too many side-quests.

[@captainavatar0]

The problem sometimes is when they over explain , the idea they come up with is worse than the fan theories. The prequel pitfall of explaining someone else's ideas rather than coming up with their own.

[@NotMyRealName5]

I find most discussions of “nerd culture” to be intellectually vacant, childish fan-wank that makes me embarrassed to even engage with the source material in the first place, but you’ve actually produced song very thoughtful criticism here. Also, I completely agree with your comparison of FH to BH / KJA, though I would use harsher terms.

[@scotthaggar]

I think they’ve picked a lane. It’s Brian/Kevin’s writing, with Denis’ visual style. Sadly Frank’s style is Irreplicable - but it would probably be unsatisfying for most TV audiences anyway. So much of the lore was left on the cutting room floor for the movies, a great TV show would be just flushing out the missing concepts (mentats, navigators, spice etc.) Adapting Dune is hard. I’m waiting week to week for the show to drop, so good enough for me.

[@willard39]

I did like the English Dune and Children of Dune (with a dash of Messiah). Production values were not movie-level, but still effective, and i thought they captured FH's vision even better than the Villenueve movies, which were great. Then again, I'm a fan of the 84 version - what do I know?

[@ryeguy4994]

Overall I like the show. My issue is they are trying to introduce too much; all these things came about around the same time - I.e. the voice, the sisterhood’s footing with the great houses, the emperor’s new formation of his guard hinting to the formation of the Sardaukar (possibly), etc. It is like the only way to connect the audience is to story is to just have all the ‘member berries’ present. Nothing really is progressed/developed over a vast timeline; it just is now.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

Using memberberries, mystery boxes and explaining away previously mystical elements is the essence of modern pop art. Which is why modern pop art mostly sucks.

[@MrAnonymule]

I want to start off by saying that I really enjoy your content. And most of the time, I agree with your points of view. But on this, I don’t. Not entirely. You see, I don’t want to just theorize. I first read Dune over 20 years ago, I want more details about Omnious and the Butlerian Jihad, I want to know why things are the way they are in this universe. I love Frank’s work. But I also love Brian and Kevin’s for the detail. I guess that’s what I get for being a Sanderson fan. It’s like being an OG SW fan, then watching Andor. I’m not easily pulled out of immersion, like so many others say because well…I have an imagination. I want all the spoons. FEED ME. 😅

[@jakeg3733]

Them declaring that his abilities are based on a virus threw me for a loop. I don't like it; it would make more sense if he'd been exposed to an overdose of spice, and had latent pyrokinetic abilities unlocked. We've seen something similar before with Paul's awakening of prescience. If this were the case, Desmond's brain activity might be at a kind of resonance with whatever the hell organic molecules (presumably absurdly complex peptides) are in spice, explaining how he can burn people thousands of light years away who have quantities of it it in their bloodstreams, as both the sisters and nobles would have at this point. Considering spice already is established to have non-local, metaphysical properties it fits into the lore without too much mental gymnastics Instead, they're going the cheap route and blaming it on a machine-created bioweapon. That is an important part of the story, but it is long gone by this point

[@AuntieDan]

I'm a huge fan of the original 6. The "expanded universe" stuff from BH and KJA are 90% junk in my eyes. Dune requires the reader to think. Not everything is going to be explained, not everything needs to be explained. They dumbed down the whole franchise over the last however many decades and give us six episodes? Such utter nonsense. Very disappointing. I'm not a big fan of the 2 most recent movies, either, due to all the omissions and stuff it seems like they just made up 10 minutes before filming. I'm not sure I'll be watching the 2nd season. We'll always have God Emperor.

[@zachwebster7048]

If the blue eyes are anything other than the God Emperor I will be incredibly disappointed. It can’t be Paul, it certainly can’t be Omnius, it must be Leto. Duncan Idaho I could live with but wouldn’t love it

[@AHomelessDorito]

This show makes the difference in storytelling between brain and frank glaringly obvious.

[@caribou2000]

I find it annoying they introduced supposedly elite troops, only to have them get owned at every turn. Like, guys, there are 40 beeping explosive devices just hanging around. Maybe just leave? In fact the entire Mikaela/Resistance subplot is just really dumb. The resistors are dumb, Mikaela is dumb (just leaving your Bene robe hidden in contraband???). How did she survive the round-up? Why is she even there? Why can't the writers give her something to do? The actor is fantastic, but she's given very little.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

The Makela scenes caused me permanent brain damage. She's a Freman, who is a Bene Gesserit, who is a rebel, who owns a nightclub, who has a few planets worth of spice, which she sells to partiers to snort as party drugs, she has 30 thermal detonators... Meanwhile, no Freman went off world until Paul let them. This event literally happens 10,000 years after this show and closes the latest Dune movie. Ugh, there is even more wrong with all the Makela nonsense (regarding her interacting with Kiran and her secret knife). Yeah it's bad, gang.

[@Sam_T2000]

it feels like they’ve only done two or three episodes of plot across five episodes… and six for the whole season is barely anything 😑

[@EricMorse]

The problem I see is this series is being made for modern audiences and Frank's style does not work for a multi seasonal series that non-Herbert fans can get into. It is the same reason as the changes that happened to the remake series of The Prisoner and the recent Apple+ adaptation of Asimov's Foundation. For this series to be successful it must tone down the high mindedness and make it accessable to new fans, thus the more Game of Thornes in space concept. Seriously, I doubt it will continue after season 2...

[@marknovak6498]

My+ As we learned from Star Wars prequels and too many other prequels, telling us how they got the traite, or why happened before, diminishes the original and overall story.

[@Nofashists]

It’s an awesome show, 10/10, only these KZbin videos are talking down this greatshow

[@kethricwilcox2753]

They should save their money for a better project. Forget the Brian/Kevin cash grab extended universe and give us a serial version of God Emperor.

[@christopherflux6254]

You would need to do Children Of Dune first, and even that would have to come after Messiah.

[@neondemon5137]

For who is this a cash grab?

[@LolitaDavidovich934]

I enjoyed the series. The direction the writers took the Brian Herbert book was quite entertaining.

[@daven7169]

Children and God Emperor are my favorites, but let's be real: Things get weird after Children, and based on friends' reactions when I've explained where the story goes, it's hard to imagine that appealing to a broader audience. Everyone said Foundation couldn't be adapted for TV, and they were right. Apple had to change fundamental aspects of that story to make it work, and the end result? Abomination! I would only trust Denis with that material, and it seems his Golden Path ends after Messiah.

[@Diogolindir]

I think I dont want God Emperor to be adapted. Not because I don't love that book. Its just to weird for cinema or tv. I would argue that they should adapt until Children of Dune and maybe jump to Heretics.

[@robadamson1]

Fear is the Mind Killer is a litany. It needed to be no more than that. This is gilding the lily, which is why I stopped reading the Prequel Stories after a few chapters.

[@GadZookz]

Maybe this Dunuverse is set in the Kelvin Timeline. 🤔

[@scottmorgan5212]

Ep. 5 reminded me of Solo answering questions no one asked. Like, why his name was SOLO. That was the dumbest part.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

I could not agree more. Episode 5 was a shark jump for me.

[@vuerro]

I am not invested in the characters. If they want to portrait the Bene Gesserit as an awful bunch then that is working out pretty well. The acolytes are a mouthy bunch that don't know their place. The finger touch they do before "Truth Saying" is annoying me to no end. The Emperor is weak, his daughter is another girl boss and her open defiance against the emperor and her family without punishment is frustrating. The son feels very 2 dimensional. the wife seems somewhat interesting. The dude has some mystery box going for him. the atreides also seems to be a flat character. If this show is about the Sisterhood then I am missing the gravitas I would expect of that order.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

Bingo. Why isn't the brat princess character ever punished for multiple death penalty offenses (leading a court case against the Emperor of the Known Universe, having a romantic relationship with a traitor to the throne while also being in arranged marriage or supposed to be marriage material to unite the Corinos and another House... Not to mention the girl boss constant disrespect of her father... The fucking Emperor of the Universe!!!! Whose family saved humanity from extinction 100 years ago!!! Ugh she is the second worst character to that idiot Makela.

[@r3ddcat]

I definitely agree on the style of writing between Brian and frank is extremely jarring. I have only ready one of the Brian books, the one that was written to close/finish the overall saga and I found the style such a jarring contract to the original frank Herbert novels that I have never bothered to read any of the other books written by Brian. And this coming from a huge longtime fan of the original frank Herbert books. Regarding the TV show I'm not sure its failure is in choosing a frank or Brian approach to storytelling. Although that choice should obviously be a frank approach. The TV show falls flat for me with the quality of acting and storylines of the younger actors involved. A 6 episode series is ridiculously short for this material and cramming superfluous and weak characters and storylines into such a short series is just wasteful and detracts from the stronger ones.

[@BrokenhornKT]

You are Spot On... It's like they are Chery picking from Lore of both Series of books and Not Focusing on One Pure Storyline. Totally Agree.

[@siddude]

I'm with Frank Herbert. Those other two dudes, not so much.

[@n0ahg1]

I love Frank Herberts's books, I managed to find an unabridged edition of Dune! I don't like the Brian/Kevin extended universe and I never really looked in to why. You summed it up perfectly and it is the same reason I hate "origin" stories, a lot of what makes a universe is the stuff which isn't said!

[@gwillgi2]

as much as i agree that the show might lend itself to too much explanation, one mustn't forget that there are literally more people who have not read the books and will not understand the mysticism and will instead complain that the show doesn't make sense. already i have seen reactions from some youtuber who literally asked 'what da hell am i watching? and why is the pacing so slow?' and already what is considered too much explanation is to them still mysterious and mind blowing.

[@FloCatone]

I love this series. Travis is true to his acting. He puts his all into it. He is such an amazing Man Travis is the most Sexiest Blue Eyed Man I have ever seen in my life and he has the most Amazing Sexy Smile 💋❤️🌹

[@champisthebunny6003]

I always regarded this as another ill-considered project that would only succeed in disappointing fans and confusing non fans. I dont think i was wrong.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

Great take. This show should not have been made. It only accomplishes watering down all the mystique of the original books and newest movies.

[@trevornardini9004]

I have to say that I think a little more patience is required here. The fact that this new project isn’t crossing every T or dotting every I for die hard Dune lore fans is somewhat to be expected. If I look back at Season 1 of STTNG vs its final Season, Season 1 is practically pathetic with characters being so wooden and 1 dimensional. The same was true on GoT. Both the actors and writers need time to find these characters and stories. I for one am grateful for more additions to the Duniverse and am trying to operate more from a glass is half full lens.

[@dianaflores6041]

I think you are being too hard on the show. It's nos ground breaking but it's decent. As someone who has read the dune books and it's prequel I find it a good enough show and I'm happy we have it. All you videos have been kind of focus on the negative. I was excited for you to analyze each episode not to just to focus on what is generally bad about it. Guess that's on me

[@Diogolindir]

Ive noticed the same. I know the show is not perfect. I mean I think the knife combat in the movies are waaay better but Im ok with it for now because I believe they have limited resources atm. I remember the first season of the expanse and how the series ended and Im hopeful

[@ValterMarquesMyPage]

My favorite book is God Emperor of Dune, but I’m a fan of both the original series and the subsequent additions. I believe they are fundamentally different. It’s understandable that there’s some aversion to the prequels ( not all of the newer books are great), but they still expand the universe in interesting ways. I’ve also noticed a fixation on encyclopedic details and rigid dogmas, which I suspect Frank Herbert wouldn’t have supported. There are even genuine “Herbertian fundamentalists.” If I were Frank Herbert, I’d be pleased to see my son broadening the universe I created.

[@Diogolindir]

@ValterMarquesMyPage I mean, when I was reading Heretics of Dune I was very surprised with all the sexuality and weird stuff but I ended up liking the book so I think FH himself was opened to weird changes of tone etc

[@Alejojojo6]

Exactly the same feeling I have. I'm kinda disappointed on nerd cookies. Probably, she had her spectations too high.

[@michaelallen434]

I share your view of Dune Prophecy. It has so much potential but can’t decide what it wants to be. Better writing worthy of its actors would help too.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

The writing is dogwater. It is a glaringly obvious weakness.

[@JohnnyWorld]

Best way I can describe this show is that it is the Cliff's notes of a spin off mixed with todays woke culture. I'll pass.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

They've already gone the Brian route. There's no turning back.

[@daven7169]

What are we calling this path? Because the Golden Path it certainly is not. I'm enjoying the show, but silver still seems generous. How about The Scattering?

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

​@@daven7169The Brian path is the mindkiller. It's so dumb.

[@rickyred001]

Dune Prophecy has been excellent from the start

[@miguelruiz8183]

Best I can figure as much as I've liked this show. It will most likely end on an annoying cliffhanger since it's been renewed for a second season.

[@londomolari5715]

"Spoonfeeding" I attribute this to the current almost obsession to super detailed world building. Sadly, because of Tolkein (I love Tolkein's works) the audience expects these giant extremely detailed worlds. This is also manifested in the obsession with the scientific accuracy or the requirement of explanations (as you mention midichlorians) in science fiction stories. Also evidenced by the book (which I bought) on the science of Nolan's Interstellar. I attribute this to many people's lack of imagination. I attribute this to not having read much as a child when your imagination tends to run wild. But then again, I was reading Edith Hamilton's Mythology at 8. In sum, I prefer Frank Herbert's style. I adapted the anti-fear manta for a different purpose: “I must not be woke. Woke is the mind-killer. Woke is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my woke. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the woke has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

There was a "why are there no colored women writers" snowflake freakout in preproduction. And now we have some of the worst writing since Brian Herbert shat something out.

[@dustinneely]

"All your base are belong to us" - KJA & Brian Herbert

[@mrwhite877]

I think they (the series maker) have no other option here than to go the fanfiction way. They have to add more BS and hurt the lore for *optimising* the audience or keep it stable. This is not dune from the beginning, this is a watered down version of witches in space with de-mysticfication, and random scenes for the adult audience.

[@HeartofInspiration]

I fully enjoy this show. I read Dune decades ago, but even though I read it, I appreciate this show’s attempt to bridge everything while being entertaining. I am excited for Season 2.

[@andrewlim9345]

Good discussion of the differences between Frank Herbert and Brian Herbert/KJA's approaches to Dune. The production of Dune Prophecy could be the subject of a documentary or a TV series similar to The Franchise.

[@oddsman01]

Not worth a season 2 imho. It’s already worse than season 3 and 4 West World. They should quit while they’re ahead.

[@BuboStabbins]

We're 5 episodes in, and I'm still invested. I truly truly do not understand the complaining.

[@duanethepirate]

I don't know about the differences between the writing styles, but as a casual fan I am enjoying the series. I find myself having to calm down after an episode. I just hope the second season will be as good.

[@heatfin1545]

I'm enjoying the show. I found this video was informative as I didn't know about the production drama. The criticisms were valid. Did those criticisms have to be repeated 15 times? Were you trying to fill time to reach a 13 minute length?

[@ronaldcampbell5470]

I like the show..I think it's great that there is a presence on tv to present the Dune world....let's hope it stays for a while and continues to grow and evolve. Let's not trash it but support it. It does not have to be so literal in presentation..I think that's something to celebrate.

[@Diogolindir]

I love Frank Herbert's books. I don't really know Brian's work. That said, I know the series is not close to Frank's ideas but I genuinely enjoy it. So I've chosen to be happy and just accept it as it is.

[@Matt-tq9nd]

I have only read the first Dune novel, seen the 80s film, and the new films. My friends and I, all of which have similar experiences, have thoroughly enjoyed the show. Maybe we're simple or maybe those that have read everything came with extra baggage. I don't think the explanation (if that's where it's headed) of the Litany Against Fear loses anything by coming from an actual ailment. The Bene Gesserit can control their bodies at the molecular level, a Litany that focuses the mind to purge fear is still fucking awesome regardless of its origins. It doesn't undermine the mysticism. My biggest complaint is the 6 episodes, if they had a few more perhaps the flashbacks could've been reworked/put in earlier and the main narrative more focused. Also don't think the Dune universe is appealing to general audiences in the slightest. It's very dense and overwhelming to new comers. My parents have to pause every episode to ask questions when I'm there or write up questions to ask me later. They love the 80s film, not big on the new ones and kind of enjoy the show. That's general audiences. My dad said "if not for you, I'd given up after episode one."

[@nicholashermes5023]

Now that season 2 is announced, I can relax some about the multiple storylines. FH's themes seem intact, even if the writing is iffy.

[@tedball8677]

Yup, the showrunners have to pick a lane [ 2:23 ]. At this point, they are probably wondering if they should have stayed focused on the original concept (Dune: Sisterhood). The parts of this series that focuses on the Sisterhood is worthwhile. I say that having read Frank Herbert's Dune novels many times yet I have not read any of the novels by Anderson & Brian Herbert. IOW the show is a new story to me. I'll watch the season finale and watch next season as well. I just hope they don't screw it up. We've had too much of that already (looking at you, Disney, and at you, Amazon, for Rings of Power).

[@st3llar600]

So happy season 2 is on the way 🎉

[@InkubusGames]

I am concerned that what we have now is the peak of the show and will go downhill from here. I think producers are not the people who are invested into the nuances of Dune and will force some weird obnoxious unneeded decisions for the show where it will become some story for milking it while starving Dune fans can't find enough of Dune.

[@grahamjones5400]

Why? Seriously tho, why is it necessary for a 2nd season?

[@Mentat1231]

For the sake of we who are enjoying the show.

[@yukinae_here]

@@Mentat1231 i'm enjoying it a lot

[@Airhead348]

Because its awesome!!

[@justinklenk]

For the sake of money over any kind of quality - quite literally.

[@Meanwhiler]

Great analysis. Nailed it.

[@Playmaur]

Dune Prophecy is its own thing. I believe the screen writers borrowed a number of elements from both Dune, and The Expanded Dune prequels, to write their own tale, while totally disregarding that some devices/characters don't even fit the timeline and shouldn't possibly exist 10 millennia before Paul Atreides, particularly a face dancer. Dune Prophecy's timeline can be placed decades after the events of Great Schools of Dune (Sisterhood, Mentats and Navigators) so it makes further easier for the producers to create their own plot, without having to face the backlash that infamous Benioff and Weiss had to endure after butchering A somg Of Ice and Fire in the Game Of Thrones HBO series.

[@Bustaperizm]

They can't claim doing their "own" thing when you lift the movie dune's look. Their is no ownership of anything. The comments are correct to call it fanfiction. And that's ok. Fanfiction has a place.

[@Playmaur]

@@Bustaperizm Plotwise it is an original adaptation with a very few borrowed characters from the canon. As for the look, DV's Dune is Warner Bro's, and so is HBO so there's no lifting., just reusing.

[@JohnnyWorld]

Hope there is no season 2. This show is dumb and boring. Let them move on to better material.

[@walksaselk40]

they've already chosen brian herbert with the machines

[@michaelnorman4476]

I’m actually enjoying the series so far. Is it perfect no. But nothing is. For me and for what I am personally looking for, I think that it hits the mark. So far everybody that I’ve talked to in person that has watched it enjoys it. But I don’t begrudge others they’re feeling about it. I can understand where they’re coming from.

[@Eroticocaotico]

Frank Herbert

[@Ojdaweedmane]

Do a combo of both and have a film canon version. Idk.

[@JesseRignall]

Thanks! I feel pretty much the same way. I gave up on it being great, but there's enough good stuff to keep me entertained. I'm honestly surprised that it is getting a season 2. And the Midichlorian analogy is spot on... the second they brought up the fear retrovirus I kind of took a deep breath lol... I really hope they go all in on new original story next season, but maybe, like... do it good :)

[@agesflow6815]

Thank you, Nerd Cookies.

[@Okkotsu86275]

I'm personally liking the series so far. Desmond Heart has been the major highlight. His origin story is kind of boring and predictable, I agree that some things should be left mysterious and ambiguous. But overall, I find the series very interesting.

[@frinkfronk9198]

I want to love this show so bad. I've watched every episode and hoped and hoped it would get better. I watched a cut of some scenes from game of thrones and it's insane the difference in lighting and photography style. This shows lighting is so flat and dull everything looks like a low budget soap opera where they light everything with super flat even lighting. Even when dealing with the Benegeserite the lighting is so so boring. It's like they just set up the same lights in every scene. I don't understand how they could have compared this to GOT and thought it has anywhere near the quality...this could have been a hundred billion dollar hit like GOT but they went ahead with a grey flat student version instead of giving it a real chance..sigh. The actors don't seem to be used to their ability at all. Compare one scene of this show to something like Vikings and it is so stilted and emotionless. It's just so sad. I hope they try again with a different team with a different story. Please don't give up on Dune because you f'd up the first try! Seems like the team have been mucked around but so many things like the timing of the show being green lit and having to adapt it to be closer to the movies. And exactly as you say everything is spoon fed and boring.

[@gerardojg]

I only read two of the B. Herbert and Andersen novels. The "Machine Crusade" and "The Butlerian Jihad", I enjoyed them but it wasn't F. Herbert. I believe they're going their own way. It is adapting Dune theme stories into a TV series format. That process will lose F. Herbert mystic.

[@willard39]

Now I get why you're not a fan of the Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson books. Makes sense, but I had never thought of it that way. I just liked hearing about what led up to Dune, even if some of it was just plain silly (the cymeks were just goofy). However, I think the show took it further than BH/KA ever did. Shame, because even foe someone who didn't read the books, the idea that you can't let fear/anxiety rule you is still accessible. For me, someone who's read all the books too, it's just boring. I get why you don't care for the BH/KA, but at least they're not boring. They should have just done the Butlerian Jihad, imo. Fits more within a TV series format.

[@Proctor1986]

Brian and KJA books have been a blight on the IP i wounder what good ideas talented people might have come up with with out their dribble

[@js4266]

Show's not bad I find, despite the fact that it strays considerably from Frank's work and does not convey its minimalist mystique. It's part Villeneuve, part Game of Thrones in space I find; not very original but fairly entertaining.

[@adrianr87]

The show should sever ties with the films. Be it's own thing.

[@mewhenno]

Imo it should have cut ties with the BH prequels as well. I was hoping for something more original and based on Frank Herbert's most essential, basic lore notions. Maybe sprinkle in some small details from McNelly's Encyclopedia and Brian Herbert's novels, but that should have been it. This feels more like another prequel than its own thing.

[@antonioflores8638]

I don't mind that there will be a season 2, I don't hate the show or anything. It's definitely missing the ways they did the movies but it's a TV show and they had a bunch of delays and stuff maybe with a second season they can correct their mistakes. Maybe season 2 can add more of Frank's style to it and make the show better. Again I think Desmond Hart is the best character and should show is time on Aarakis

[@amitbehar]

Sometimes life has a way of getting in the way of a good show. Amazon spent a cool 1 Billion to get the rights to the Lord of the Rings books. However they did not had the rights to the Silmarillion or Peter Jackson's movies and aesthetics. This oversight essentially shot the series in the legs before the first draft was written (bad writing, weird thematic choices and poor grasp of the the little source material they had, did not help..). The same thing is happening with Dune: prophecy. The show is done under authorization of the Dune rights owner which includes Brian Herbert. I assume pre-requisites are taking his books as cannon, using characters from these books and doubling down on all of the prequals profoundly dumb plot points. among the many things that make the Dune prequals a dumb down, YA novels IN SPACE are: Desperately having every plot point that was hinted in dune to happen all at once for a few characters. Overexplaining everything (there is an actual page in one of the books, dedicated to the invention of glowglobes. by a main character of course). Profound misunderstanding of the original books (Dune had Zensunnis since religions get splintered, distorted and regrafted in 16 millennia's of human diaspora in space. the Prequals understanding: let's write about ZenShia because imagining is hard). Soap opera level of characters and plots (giant evil robots) It does not surprise me that the Sisterhood is essentially Hogwarts with less quidditch. It does not surprise me that everyone call the worms Shai Hulud, a name used by Fremen only. Some elements did positively surprised me like reverend mothers who used the Rossak poison have natural eyes while the girl who used spice has Ibad eyes, Not showing the guild for the sake of the movies and overall OK aesthetics which kind of remind me of the films. The plot, however, is too simple, and prequel like.

[@craigjones7343]

Streaming wars: I think the platforms like Prime, or Crave in Canada that offer other streaming services on their platform will win over the single source streaming. The only platform that I think will buck the trend is Netflix. They are the OG and are years ahead of other single source streamers. Disney+, Paramount+, HBO, etc are no competition for Netflix. Star Wars Midicloriens: each trilogy was to have its own unique over arching themes. Prequels - the force internal. OG: the force external, between things. GL’s Sequel: the galactic force. Of course we never got to see GL’s sequel trilogy and got the Disney Wars Fan Project which was devoid of any mythology and the force became a deus ex device to save the writer from writing a cohesive story and let the writer escape a plot dead end.

[@ArchDudeify]

this is a really good critique - however I think that the books are the books and fans can get an inflated importance to their own views - dad vs sons books so I think it's not correct to put mysticism and ooh ooh plans within plans yeah that's fine, but it's a bit thoughts and ideas Ivory tower - it's just boring when you aren't able to see more context prophecy - they make their own story it's the best way - it's the golden path

[@Haterbek]

It can be enjoyable if you turn your brain off and just don't think. Even then some things are so obviously stupid that my turned off brain can't ignore. After watching and starting thinking about the show, it seems dumb as fuck

[@alpacamale2909]

The season has been good. Why are people so damn critical? is not like we're getting good shows nowadays. You guys complain all the time about how bad tv and movies are but when something good comes out if it's not perfect you tear it to pieces.

[@certainstrength]

Right? I actually think the show is very good. I couldn’t care less about how closely matches the books…especially because Frank Herbert didn’t write it

[@alpacamale2909]

@@certainstrength Rabid toxic gatekeepers always spewing bs amirite?

[@natedogg0131]

Show is great imo.. agree people gotta learn to accept less than ideal and that goes for most things in life

[@thesean3194]

Wow. HBO must be desperate for programming. Very surprising.

[@MusicMike939]

I think this series compares to rings of power and the periferal. I like what they did with peripheral better. But it really had as little to do with the source material as rings of power. This series is good so far. I agree about don't ruin the mystery, but that's kind of the job of prequels.

[@thedoughnutking9514]

Frank Frank Frank!!!

[@blo3034]

It has potential. The first tow episodes were snore fests. I liked from 3 on

[@ryanrichardson9915]

I think the show is interesting. I think YOU are like the Star Wats fans who hate the Prequels. Yes, they are slightly flawed, but still interesting in their own right. Just enjoy the show. It’s better than not having a show. I want an answer. I always want answers.

[@justinklenk]

You ARE the problem - the reason quality and character are neverendingly degraded in the world. You blindly welcome it - with open arms. I feel sorry for you... but mainly you're disgusting.

[@LordOfNihil]

i have no problem with the bh/kja approach, because this is set in that timeline with those characters. i think that those books are much easier to adapt to tv or movies than say god emperor. if you did god emperor as a series, id expect to see frank herbert all over it.

[@jackbedient]

I’ve yet to give it a chance. Looks miscast. Bland. I like my Dune lush.

[@thecaptainsarse]

Yet again we have a studio buying a franchise to milk without any care for the canon or fan base. This isn’t the first video I’ve watched where you’ve had trouble with the way a particular franchise was being treated. Have we not seen enough times where this is done. These people don’t care or want to care about the fans or more importantly, writing a good story. I don’t watch any of the adaptations of my favorite franchises anymore for this reason. (Edited for spelling )

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

I might be joining you in this soon. If this next episode doesn't stick the landing, I'm done with Dune until the third movie in 2026.

[@neurosp]

It’s a mess, it’s like inspired by dune but not dune. And only some characters capture my interest in order to remember they are part of the show.

[@silentone11111111]

Terrible series. The emperor blatantly threatening lords with murder by Ragnar. All the lords are ok with this. Unbelievable.

[@logiclust]

This show is not good enough to continue, regardless of what happens

[@rickbase833]

A bunch of chanting witch girl bosses.

[@unikeko96]

And?

[@rickbase833]

@unikeko96 And......🥳

[@miragewizard]

Basically fanfiction, but I'm still watching this show.

[@AlanTheBest97]

I personaly think its okay for them to give us explanations on these details. I see the books as the OG and the movies and show as an ADAPTATION, an interpretation, Its fine if the overall product is enjoyable. Its their vision and its cool to give the audience a bit of their own vision as long as its not absurd. I dont think Frank Herberts or anyones work for that matter is untouchable, I just think the key word is RESPECT, and the show is respectfull imo. I respect your opinion for real, but I realy dont care too much, books like Dune are a very different medium when compared to film and TV.

[@brianstenzel7696]

The choice was Norma...or nothing at all. They chose poorly.

[@_hipflexion]

This kind of elite gatekeeping is pathetic.

[@BrianHerbertTryant]

I proudly gatekeep. The desire to do so comes from how good the original six books are relative to this show. The gap is ocean sized and the books are amazing. The show just "has some cool moments." The books (for many) are life-changing.

[@mizarcubed]

I love everything practically and I have very few issues with the show, I know there are those that the material is paramount and I would not like it if the show disrespected Franks work however at least it's Brian's work there basing it on!

[@dalereynolds8716]

I disagree with you completely!