Dune’s Fremen Language is a calculated(?) masterpiece

with sand on sand
all sources, resources, and disclaimers:
bit.ly/4czCJhg (Google Docs Link)

[@Smoke-lc3ec]

My mom told me that the reason why there are dots and tachkil in our language not because of confusion. Arabs didn't have a single problem with that. It was for Non-arabs that had that confusion when learning Arabic. As for Arab borns they have no problem with their own language

[@jeloob3535]

That's right

[@savannahs5439]

of course, and the same issue applies today because harakat are still omitted in non-school texts

[@topsurgeon]

even most todays arabs can easily read and understand without neither dots nor tashkile

[@RexoryByzaboo]

That's so kind of them.

[@savannahs5439]

@@RexoryByzaboo i wouldn't say that, since they established it during early islamic conquests as mentioned in the video

[@mshiv5488]

During the previous aggression on Gaza four years ago, social media platforms were banning Arabs from talking about the Palestine issue, mentioning it, or criticizing the occupation. They launched massive campaigns to close accounts. To circumvent this, users started writing in classical Arabic without dots to avoid detection and bans. Surprisingly, everyone was able to understand the text without dots without any problem.

[@amldford7123]

Not really surprisingly

[@JacobKuchkov]

If Gazans didn’t raise their children to be martyrs they wouldn’t have to mourn they get their wish. They brought it on themselves

[@mottom2657]

@@JacobKuchkov Ah yes, Palestinians Christians and Muslims who didn't flee the Roman attacks after the Bar Kokhba (Bin Kawkab) rebellion are supposed to give up THEIR frigging ancestral land to outsiders? Yes, yes, AshkeNAZIs and other Jews effectively became outsiders after they had decided to flee away from their lands after the Roman attacks. The Bar Kokhba (Bin Kawkab) rebellion was for nothing.

[@ukrainian_emperor]

So there was never any aggression on Israel?

[@Jot332]

@@JacobKuchkov your lack of empathy is really unfortunate :(

[@momenalsakt9350]

The dots and strikes were added for non Arab Muslims so they don’t mistake the recitation. Any arabian can read the scriptures without dots by understanding the meaning of the sentence. More over the Quran was delivered by reciting not writing.

[@someone_7233]

The shape of the letters, how they are arranged and what the letters forming the word are - help to differentiate between similar non dotted letters like (ت ب ث ح خ ج ع غ ف ق ص ض س ش ط ظ د ذ ر ز) I was able to do that as a kid when we first took the lesson about Abu alaswad alduo'ali so it shouldnt be hard

[@janaby0]

You just blatantly lie I'm Arab and I can't differentiate the words so don't spread misinformation.

[@momenalsakt9350]

@@janaby0 can't read Arabic without dots? Seems like a skill issue to me. Git good bruh. You can do it.

[@AbdAllah-Tarek09]

​@@janaby0مشكلة مهارة و ليس اكثر

[@user-xj8dh9fp8r]

@@janaby0 its not cuz of that but because traditions were recited and transferred orally

[@tachankahimselftoo6791]

big big channel vibes

[@toufiq309]

Arabic is the best language and this is why God sent his final miracle in it.

[@JackChit-pv3dj]

It’s a vast language

[@mohammadzaarour7949]

Cap

[@pustakarileks7404]

It's because arabia is very jahillliiiyaaaah brother

[@Solotocius]

The Quran was sent in Arabic because THE PEOPLE THERE SPOKE ARABIC. The Arabic language is no more "holy" than any other human language and to claim otherwise can and will lead to cultural elitism (as you're demonstrating right here with your comment).

[@JackChit-pv3dj]

@@Solotocius never said it was brother. Allah choose the lowest people at the time and elevated them to show us the miracle in the message. I said the arabic language is vast much like other languages like mandarin, Somali, and other languages that i dont know

[@shooshooshooshooshooter]

Dune is set 20,000 years into the future not 10,000.

[@ifoundacloud]

Honestly, a complete mistake on my part. You're right, it is 20,000 years into the future not 10,000. I've added it to the disclaimers section in the Google Doc in the description now, thanks for mentioning it here.

[@sub7se7en]

If it's set 20,000 years in the future then what happened to the dots?

[@hetenabben2004]

Huh?​@@sub7se7en

[@mm-fo3fx]

​@sub7se7en it's just stupid 🙃 As an arabic speaker I think nothig will happen to the dots

[@sub7se7en]

@@mm-fo3fx Are you Muslim?

[@simonedarionardella3957]

The change back to pre-i3jām makes sense: Arabs could do without dots and vowel marks, but had to develop them for non-Arab converts to Islam. The Fremen are kind of isolated on Arrakis and nobody's particularly interested in their culture except for the sake of getting more spice until the Atreides get there. So Fremen can do with a simplified Arabic script. Although it was my understanding that they didn't actually speak Arabic except for some words. Was it Chakobsa or something else that they spoke? Fremen are also only partially inspired by Arab (or Berber - not the same at all) bedouins. The story draws on a book about the Muslim Daghestani (or another Muslim population in the Caucasus or around there) resistance against the Russians. Those are not Arabs, though they are Muslims. Nice video btw!

[@TheTruth-ko9ov]

Daghestani people and others who are now part of Russia, also who were part of ussr their language alphabet was written in Arabic letters.. I think it was like that until 1930 when Russia changed it. Same like what's happening now to the uyghur their script is written in Arabic letters and China changes it currently.

[@simonedarionardella3957]

@@TheTruth-ko9ov I did not know that! Thank you!

[@jonseilim4321]

​@@TheTruth-ko9ovwhat are you on about? Have you even been to Xinjiang? Uyghurs still study/write in the Arabic alphabet (or more specifically the Iranian variant)

[@Houddini-lc9om]

​​@@jonseilim4321We know communist china and Russia did horrible things and that included repressing Arabic language.

[@kapasian9009]

The language isn't Arabic, only the script is.​@@Houddini-lc9om

[@alyaly2355]

This video was AMAZING. I actually thought you had thousands of subscribers, but was surprised to find you have less than a hundred. Too underrated. This channel has a bright future ahead of it, I’m sure of it. PS: As an Arab, good job on your Arabic pronounciation. It was FLAWLESS!

[@market_is_closed]

What if he is a muslim tho XD

[@essamdob2]

@@market_is_closed tf does that have to do with being a muslim?

[@alyaly2355]

@@market_is_closed Most Muslims can’t even speak Arabic or pronounce it correctly

[@icejuice9316]

@@essamdob2 muslims learn arabic to read the quran lmao. it has everything with being a muslim

[@ifoundacloud]

Thank you so much for the very kind words!

[@mohirender]

The writing script of Arabic is genuinely so beautiful

[@mdy9553]

We in Tunisia and in most Arab countries can read and write without dictionary or vowel movements and with complete ease

[@fenohikari]

I remember when we were kids we used to give others the sentence "قيل قتل فيل قبل طلوع الفجر" without the idjem اعجام so we can test people inteligence somehow lol, though arabs still can understand the words without it giving context just like we understand without teshkil (vowels), though i think in still an easier sentence than the above lol

[@samal4257]

اييي اتذكرها😂😂😂👍🏻

[@user-gd7te8ir5p]

كلنا يا أخي 😂😂

[@lana_354]

فيل فتل قيل فيل ظلوغ القجل😂 بس مع هيك صعب بدون نقط لان الواحد ما رح يعرف اي حرف ف ولا ق ت ث ولا ب ج ح ولا خ ز ولا ر د ولا ذ س ولا ش ص ولا ض ط ولا ظ

[@Shawa_Skibidi]

Wow! You deserve a lot more attention this content is very high quality

[@ifoundacloud]

Thank you! How nice of you to say

[@MohammadShan912]

History of Arabic and then someone’s heads getting cut off is very insensitive if you ask me

[@RG8-Anims]

Love this, you cooked well. استمر في الطبخ 👍🔥

[@user-dp9ee3gk4v]

اي طبخ

[@NShll-sd9yw]

بالله عليك هل هذا عربي فصيح؟

[@ilyes.yacine]

إعجام جعل للعجم لأنهم كانوا يلحنون في القرآن

[@ayyylmao101]

"I studied Arabic" Hm... " _Qur_ 'anic" " _'Aa-_ li ibn Talib" "Al-Fa- _raa-_ hidi" OH, HE STUDIED ARABIC! :DDD

[@mandategaming]

Fremen is mainly Arabic yes but Dune also has other non-Arabic elements - Nezhoni scarf - Kwisatz Haderach etc that been said Fremen is still quite close to Arabic, even if they added a few sounds and loaned a few words, and well done on this video!

[@danielcrafter9349]

That's cos in the Dune universe many religions have grown beyond themselves, even merging with others That's why you get religions like the 'Zen-Sunni' - a form of Islam guided by Taoist principles

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

​@@danielcrafter9349so basically sufism...

[@thatsunnypoet]

Are you an Arab? Perfect pronunciation bro.

[@ifoundacloud]

Thank you what a compliment, I am not I just studied it for awhile.

[@IAhmadGT]

​@@ifoundacloudWHAT really??

[@asparwild8154]

honestly makes sense since Dune seems to be sort of semi regressed civilization in postmodern / post AI future wont be surprised if they had to recreate aspects of language and have it be in a regressed state

[@NoMan-pp1jq]

Bro this is your third video only and you are already producing top notch content! Amazing! استمر في صنع هذا المحتوى الجميل 🌹

[@abc-er6pk]

Keep going brother!! I have a feeling that this channel gon be big!

[@ifoundacloud]

I appreciate it thank you!

[@DoIT4Me]

1:44 الدؤلي و ليس الدولي ، there is a hamza, had a good laugh tho 😂

[@HighlyEntropicMind]

suscribed, love your energy and style

[@enderknight39]

You're doing great, man. You just earned another subscriber.

[@ujimass1799]

Love this video, and your pronunciations of the letters is on point!

[@sma8001]

Good video, no extra yapping just straight to the point 👌

[@ay_yowtf]

i am arab and i can read without dots or vowels

[@Sajid_A829]

it's "arab", not arabic

[@Mega88888]

Yes, the reason why the dots and vowels were added was because of non Arabs who would have a hard time understanding this. Arabs would naturally understand it.

[@lana_354]

I can without vowels but without dots is insane and I'm an arab Like how can u differentiation between د ذ ط ظ ع غ ف ق ب ت ث ج ح خ د ذ ر ز س ش ص ض etc.

[@ay_yowtf]

@@lana_354 from the context of the the text

[@ay_yowtf]

@@Sajid_A829 ok

[@qsdfgmlkjh4320]

Just found your channel and... MAN you're underrated !

[@amv7086]

bro you made a great job such a magnificent video

[@Ali-1100]

your montage is epic

[@ifoundacloud]

Thanks, I'm glad you think so

[@obz1357]

I love your energy, man.

[@ah-sf8kp]

Arabic is a beautiful language I wish to learn Arab poets were one of the most respected in society

[@yahya_amoudi]

please continue making those videos, we`re willing to hear about your thoughts dude

[@dustyzbrick9510]

I mean if it’s already happening Idk tho. Because typically only the Quran still has harakat of course so there’s no changing the scripture but like street writing outside is really hard for me to read as a non Arab because they put only the letter no harakat and students take notes with no harakat so who knows maybe only the Quran will have harakat and dots and they do just revert back to no dots

[@qraid]

this was very informative and well done for a 3min video. good work

[@AndyAlex-dz6wf]

most Arab acutely can read Arabic script without dots, because of habit and context, But yeah in some situation it can be ambiguous.

[@shihabsharar3539]

This is cool. I look forward to your adventures. Subbed

[@maninmymind3412]

Love your videos, hope you uplaod more

[@laithtwair]

youtube recommendations really cooked giving me this, fantastic video

[@Alcamore]

@HighlyEntropicMind brought me here. Top tier video man, I love seeing connections like that, and it was cool to learn about the history of the language. Right to the point too! I think the pacing is a liiitle fast, I had to turn the video down to 0.75x speed to absorb the section goong over the changes in the structure of the language over time. Pretty much ideal content, looking forward to the incoming spike in viewers!

[@ifoundacloud]

This is a great constructive feedback! I'll definitely take that into consideration in regards to pacing. Also thank you so much for the kind words!

[@lostpen751]

My, man. Keep the good work

[@jacamo727]

Dude you know your shit, I grew up in Egypt and most of the Written Arabic grammar was so difficult, physics and maths seemed simple in comparison, I had nightmares about Arabic exams 😅, I can tell it took a lot of dedication to study Arabic let alone it’s linguistic history, kudos to you my friend .

[@hamadahmed7968]

كسم الإعراب 😂😢

[@abujessica]

Also we already don't use that complicated system, we only use Tashkeel to remove ambiguity when a word could have two forms that fits the same context. Keep going btw lovely channel.

[@secretsofdune]

Very nice, informative video about the elements of the Arabic language. Just a quick note. The Dune Encyclopaedia is not canon to the Dune books themselves (even though the author said it was fine, it didn't mean he approved every element of it and said that he might change a few things as he continued writing). It is interesting about the pre I'jam state of Chakobsa in it though. Congrats on how well this video has done! Well deserved.

[@gilltermoon314]

Bros pronunciation is impressive! Keep going btw this video was super well made and really enjoyable

[@jarija8944]

Damn, this channel deserves way much more subscribers. I like the video!

[@GuardianMehmed]

I love el-Farahadi

[@shadowgacha9055]

As an Arab (Moroccan) that fe-*hell* language you showed killed every braincell I had just by looking at it. كيف تجرؤا على فعل هذا بلغتنا الحبيبة!

[@mohammadsaleh28]

تجرؤ*

[@shadowgacha9055]

@@mohammadsaleh28 لقد كانت رغبتي أن تكون "تجرؤ" جمعا. شيء مثل "تَجَرَّؤا". أعتذر إن كنت قد أخطأت في صرف الكلمة، هل يمكنك إخباري لماذا هي خاطئة؟ شكرا جزيلا على التصحيح!

[@mohammadsaleh28]

@@shadowgacha9055 صيغة الجمع من هذه الكلمة تكتتب هكذا : تجرّؤوا حرف الواو الذي تحت الهمزة لم يوضع كي نستغني عن الواو ، ولا يُغنينا عنها

[@MohammedAlfayad241]

such an amazing content dude💗

[@hallarw7907]

I like your presentation it's smooth and hilarious.

[@BalaDonna-dm9mp]

Dude why are you sooo underrated omg

[@macrro]

0:51 Hebrew also have the same system called Niqqud, pretty crazy how much both language share (since both are semitic languages)

[@TheTruth-ko9ov]

Niqqud is same in Arabic called niqat

[@macrro]

@@TheTruth-ko9ov yeah pretty cool, we share a lot of words

[@roudamohd6084]

I never usually comment, but like I have to acknowledge and give you credits and props for the creativity, wittiness, and editing! BIG FUTURE AHEAD

[@blususpect]

Seeing Dune as a Muslim is such a weird feeling

[@nadaomar6373]

True,, you feel like استغفر الله in so many parts.

[@savannahs5439]

i mean with the current stream to go back in time it's not totally unthinkable 😂

[@mortarman83095]

I would like to say that doting was a thing in Arabic before Ali even became a Caliph, just not widespread

[@ifoundacloud]

This is a great point to make. As far as I've learned, Ad-Du'ali helped establish a standard for it in relation to the Qur'an. I might add this to the disclaimers section in the Google Doc. Thank you

[@Rayan7x]

damn. please make longer videos!

[@patreekotime4578]

Just a note... the Dune Encyclopedia is essentially just publish fan fic. Herbert got a kick out of it but he did not officially support or deny the claims. The in-universe explanation seems to be that the Dune Encyclopedia comes from even further in deep time and many ideas shifted and histories were misremembered. So... take it with a grain of salt.

[@ifoundacloud]

Couldn't agree more, it's why this video was more of a "get a nice laugh out of it" rather than a super serious canon dive.

[@DukeLetoAtreides]

​@ifoundacloud 😂

[@frosy5robloxian]

Man when this was recommended to me in KZbin i was intrigued, but the after finishing and subscribing i was flabbergasted. You have below 1k subs? I thought you would have 100k at the least. Man this channel will be going places. Keep up the good work 💪

[@mrnightmare9505]

as a algerian good to learn a bit from the history of arabic amazing video

[@Pspspsss]

As an arab i cannot pronounce 3in better than you do !! Ure so good in Arabic, Keep going 💪🏻❤

[@Farhaz303]

I dunno why but this is really underrated, SUBBED

[@soulaimanaboudi7979]

Keep making it maan!!

[@DarkKnightDad]

You earned a subscriber (current count 186 with me). If you keep it up with the funny and informative and unique style that you showed here, I am pretty sure you will reach 1k and 10k subs in no time

[@ahmedsameh358]

238 now his growth is amazing so is his content

[@__Zenith_]

yt algoritm knows me too well

[@arth__BK]

Dude both ur English and arabic are so perfect i can't tell wich one is ur mother language

[@elzector]

اهلا! As an Arab, I enjoyed this video a lot! I’ve heard that the old Arabic script was written without dots, but I never got a detailed explanation like this before. The Dune part was also very cool. I appreciate you have studied our language and love it, hope to see more videos like this in the future!

[@AdiAbdurab]

do more of these man... I'm trying to learn arabic to better understand the Quran, and I'm learning about how complex this language is (I'm a native Urdu speaker/writer but I'm still baffled)

[@MLMLML000]

Y does this channel not have a few million subs

[@ihuboo6244]

What a brilliant piece of documentation. Its a nice treat for someone thats native language isnt arabic but can recite modern texts and yeah what you said about Dune’s Fremen Language, nice 👌

[@bagoobia]

this is an awesome video

[@-Monty97-]

hey! this was a really nice jab at the language system in dune although I wish the video didn't so abruptly haha, alas I'll be looking forward for more~ also as another commenter mentioned you're Arabic pronunciation is damn great, either you've worked really hard on it or your actually a native speaker lol

[@ifoundacloud]

Thank you! I tried to keep it short and sweet but yes there is still so much more that could've been explored, hope you'll stick around. Also I'm honored, but no unfortunately I'm not an Arabic native speaker, I've just been learning the language for a long time.

[@ChrisBadges]

​@@ifoundacloudPlease share how you learned it. I am really impressed and learning Arabic myself...

[@SaadTheGlad]

​@@ifoundacloud That's awesome man, you actually got me because you sounded like a native speaker and your ع was really great, you even rolled your r when just speaking normal English! Although I don't know how much of that was intentional or not. Anyways keep it man.

[@Albaraa]

1:45 *It’s not “Ad-Duwali”, it’s “Ad-du’Ali” or “ad-du2ali” and ‘ and 2 means ء hamza

[@itsgwolf]

This channel gonna blow up to have millions of subscribers, mark my words and the date

[@thequantumcat184]

While it is kinda funny that the Fremen use simplified arabic script, I do feel it is a bit out of place in the otherwise solid worldbuilding of Dune. Arabic, at least in its modern cursive variety, is intended to be written with ink, a pen and paper, which would be impossible to do in Dune, as there are basically no plants to speak of, and all of our paper is in some way plant derived. On top of that, even with paper, ink needs to be wet to be usable, which the water preserving Fremen would no doubt see as a waste of water. The only two other options I can think of are clay tablets (which also need to be wet to be usable, so same problem there) and straight up carving inscriptions into stone, which I think is the most likely. Because of this, the mostly curvy arabic script would likely simplify further into a straight line based writing system, similar to how arabic was originally "written" down. This would also probably change the way in which they would use writing in general, from a more casual use to one more focused on marking important places/stories etc, as stone is to cumbersome to carry around, specially for a seminomadic people (although they might be able to get away with carrying small tablets if they use the worms to get around).

[@ifoundacloud]

Oh this is such a cool idea to explore! I really hope someone deep dives into this and looks at possible alternatives to a "what could've been" fremen writing system.

[@nziom]

Love the video subscribed

[@stoicanchor]

As a native Arabic speaker I really loved your pronunciation and your passion for the language, great video :)

[@yusufhabib3507]

this channel has VIBE

[@MERO-VGIAN]

I like your delivery 😅

[@Moses_Caesar_Augustus]

It's really surprising that you only have ~500 subscribers.

[@kingthorusus]

As an Arab myself, I must admit I never knew the origin of اعجام. Love the way you present your content, it's dynamic and entertaining. Immediately subscribing! Also, I think some other people pointed it out but gotta say it again, your pronounciation was ON POINT!

[@saifsolid679]

Good quality video I really thought you had more subs so I helped with that by +1

[@lilamdan]

Ah the Laguna of Eilat is in the picture, beside Akaba,so if you zoom in you can see me naked

[@ibrahimismail5625]

Its kinda funny how somethjng thats in my language and is used every day for me facinates you guys this much 💀💀like fym zero vowels

[@fuelformind]

Great video

[@Terraspark4941]

As someone who bought the Dune book because I saw "Muad'Dib" on the back and thought "that sounds like arabic", I certify this video as a banger

[@araftamim-mx3dw]

Voice & speaking skill + video quality 😎

[@user-lz5dz1qx2q]

There are many things in ancient sematic languages which came back to life

[@KryzysX]

Nice video akhi

[@user-qz8wm7jm7i]

If you think the Jabbal R inscriptions are bad, look at ancient safaitic/himyarite script

[@yellowadil]

I knew about it, but not in detail.

[@harithhag8701]

Love your voice and your arabic and English😊 pronunciation ,subscribe❤

[@rx6588]

3:09 the dots were added to simplify it, removing it makes it more complicated.

[@_thatoneperson_9082]

Your Arabic pronunciation is genuinely the best I have EVER heard from a non native. Some words are a little off but much tougher words were pronounced perfectly. I know it’s not the point of the video but I just wanted to say, if you expand your vocabulary you will absolutely sound native

[@Torantes]

I love the editing in this video!!

[@zrqooks5328]

bro i love your voice

[@AdyyLaayZz]

Ur Arabic accent is way too good ngl!!

[@justroma7049]

the only thing disapponting was the number of subs the quality didnt disappoint, the pronounciation was flawless, and i enjoyed the vid.

[@notbs3]

Great content love your vibes man , can you make a video about arabic poetry plz

[@takahashi2852]

0:23 "Because my love to you is above the level of speech"