Dungeons of Drakkenheim Episode 47 Church and State

[@DungeonDudes]

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[@tenorfab]

"Where have the gods been this whole time?" "Manipulating the rats" maniacal laughter

[@illoney5663]

I reacted just like Monty.

[@theorycrafters7281]

I laughed so hard at that

[@ryboflavin42]

Pluto has the least Charisma of all the characters, but Joe has the most of the players.

[@Behemoth9030]

@@illoney5663 I don’t think I’ve ever seen Monty crack so good in this series so far (still my first run of it all).

[@AnaseSkyrider]

Monty redeeming Lucretia as a worthy character, instead of her being the defacto "fuck that faction" choice, is the capstone to this arc of warring factions I didn't expect to see but love all the same.

[@elementzero3379]

It is a testament to the amazing world-building and DM-craft that the factions were all in play throughout the entire campaign. From a character point of view, it seems very sketchy to try to ally the Falling Fire with the Amethyst Academy. Their views and goals in Drakkenheim couldn't be more opposed. Legitimizing the Falling Fire feels like the last thing the Academy would want. Though well intentioned, the FF are a threat to the entire world, and certainly going to oppose the Academy's efforts to study delerium. I'm only beginning the episode. Perhaps everyone agrees that this only a very short alliance. I can imagine a FF/AA detente, but it would be extremely difficult to arrange.

[@blksmagma]

I should have caught it last time Monty was speaking about Lucretia's issues with the church, but it's quite clear to me now that Lucretia is basically the Martin Luther of Drakkenheim. Her testament is his nailing of the 95 theses... I just realized! Lucretia Matthaias Martin Luther LM -> ML Good one, Monty! I'm at 58:59. I wonder if this got addressed later on in the stream anyone else found out in the live chat

[@tostiggoodwinson4415]

blksmagma instead of nailing it to a door, it gets nailed into your chest.

[@tostiggoodwinson4415]

NurturingTalents , the rats are the Peasants Rebellion!

[@stormyaudio9969]

I noticed this going through the whole show that the silver order is basically the Catholics of the show and the fallen fire are the Protestants and the leader or the Fallen fire gives me big Martin Luther vibes

[@markosmarkou8156]

@@stormyaudio9969 well the silver order and the order of fire are more like before/during dark ages catholics after the schism of the roman empire where(the pope) it was also manipulating to a surtain extend the power of the state

[@elementzero3379]

There are definite parallels. The difference, as always, comes in the form of magic. Lucretia's admirable and accurate criticism is undermined by her desire to let delerium consume the world.

[@samburchard9921]

Monte laughing when Sebastian says, "I am a man of magic not a man of faith." 55:32 - Very cool.

[@evanabney3659]

Sebastian: "What's the worst that could happen?" Pluto: "This! THIS! THIS IS THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN!!!"

[@ashleyhoughton8592]

Haha funnily enough it wasn't Pluto shouting that, it was Monty. When the DM tells you that this is worst that could happen, that's when you start to panic.

[@evanabney3659]

@@ashleyhoughton8592 Yeah... any time it's worst-case scenario in the DUNGEON MASTER'S mind, things are about to get reeeeal bad.

[@fabricelayet5222]

1:34:13 Sebastian: "I've been embracing flame my whole life my dear" What a come back to Lucretia Matthaias ;-)

[@dtczyk8976]

*hunny. Way more condescending

[@crownlexicon5225]

Man, Monty, you've really done your homework. I know a bit about castles due to Shadiversity, and color me impressed. You've done well.

[@xaviercarmona4439]

I was gonna say the same! Glad I found a community that loves Matt Coville and Shadiversity as much as I do 🤗💙

[@elementzero3379]

Branch out a bit further, adding Matt Easton's "Schola Gladiatoria", Toby Capwell's various videos, etc... and you'll soon be ditching silly PHB descriptions of your arms and armor for more true-to-life descriptions. " 'Studded Leather' ? Pffft. My +2 AC comes from a maille shirt." " 'Breastplate' ? It's a full cuirass or brigandine and helm worn over a maille shirt/buff coat/whatever fits the setting." D&D's armor tables are wretched. The math works, but the descriptions are silly.

[@theblueslimeboi]

"you all rolled ones?... Well, that can only mean one thing then..." *Me in voice of rat prince* no no no...

[@dtczyk8976]

RAT KING THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[@TheEldritchGoth]

Learning that Lucretia Mathias has cast True Resurrection really puts into perspective Kelly’s laugh when Joe asked him if she had more player levels than him

[@firelordsinger9666]

Yea. But before that he mentioned how he doesnt use levels for his pcs

[@Birramannen]

*Monty

[@euansmith3699]

I think that, in the world of Drakkenheim, the Wizard Bigby should be replaced by the Legendry Archmage Kyle; creator of the Evocation, "Kyle's Hand".

[@captainmaim]

has anybody seen Kyle? He's about this tall... seen Kyle?

[@IAmGrimmX]

Is it Kelly Solo? "I take evasive maneuvers." (I drift lazily to the left...) and so they made the Castle run in less than 12 parsecs!

[@IAmGrimmX]

Kelly isn't a Giant Eagle, he's actually the Millennium Falcon

[@mitchellculp5623]

I wish I could've double liked this comment

[@vxdarkdragoonxv]

When they started mentioning aqua expurgo pills, it totally reminded me that the first came up with the drinkable aqua expurgo, I totally expected to hear Eldric say “good news! It’s a suppository!”

[@kentvesser9484]

LOL, Futurama reference. Jupiter Jones is a capable Zapp Branigan.

[@413benmc]

My Warlock couldnt stand a paladin that traveled with us. (Lucretia reminds me of him) Early in our adventures we happened upon some basilisk eggs. She's been raising them since they hatched and one survived. She is now 14th level and the basilisk is a large juvenile who guards her tower and in particular her throne room. For side money she purchased a failing tavern in town and financed its reopen under one condition... that upon reopen she could rename it. It is now called "The Pissing Paladin" and there is a fountain statue of a certain paladin outside the front door. Let's just say the details of the sculpture are incredible.

[@elementzero3379]

That's excellent. 😄 I've loved playing Paladins for decades, and have never played them as obnoxious and/or intolerant. Plenty of spiritually inclined people in real life are dignified and patient in their faith. This type of Paladin is better for party cohesion, and in my opinion much more compelling a character than the Lawful Obnoxious and Lawful Stupid walking meme. My other favorite classes are Wizard and Sorcerer. Drakkenheim is a campaign in which my up-front choice in class would be likely to dramatically impact the character's Faction-leanings.

[@alex4251]

I hope I can run a campaign as well as monty does one day! Great role play from the other three as always

[@fpicotte]

They've finally reached Castle Drakken. I feel nostalgic of the first few episodes now.

[@dtczyk8976]

Veo falling from the rafters screaming carrot top. Man remember when the rat prince wasn’t super dangerous?

[@nothing4mepls973]

Monty's knowledge of medieval politics and castle terminology is astounding. I caught that "three pillars" thing immediately, what a cool interpretation for a fantasy world. This story needs to be written up and published.

[@hardylebel3925]

This campaign is a fantastic example of how good people end up becoming evil tyrants by acting with the best of intentions.

[@michaelpeterson5545]

I almost always want to remind Sebastian that the road to the Abyss is paved with good intentions!

[@cattrucker8257]

"And now I stand before you, ready to slay the next thing in front of me!" Patricide foreshadowing? Also, definitely missed that strumming BGM that came up around the 35th minute - it was already in association with the Mill and the city outskirts all the way back in the first sessions. Then the rest of those early pieces after the Lucretia sequence - great times, great to hear them all again, feels like "good old times" in some ways. Sometimes I feel lightly nostalgic of the old early sessions, the low-stakes gritty adventure run. Additional praise is due for how the castle is treated in a sort of "horror" fashion and not just a boss mook fortress (though I'm sure this part will not be lacking in the next session either). This campaign in general gets a lot of its high notes from such atmosphere design, so it's good to play it properly when you have the chance. And things being this way, as well as the none-too-subtle hints about the minotaurs, seem to lead logically into the idea of "Drakkenheim monsters are transformed versions of various people", e.g. castle guards became minotaurs and devout Fire worshippers became gnolls etc etc. This makes me wonder if Veo's adoptive father figure is not a boss minotaur himself now... Definiitely felt like it was the castle playing tricks on them and not him (and if so, extra massive bonus points for actually making it a bit of a "genius locus", a sentient and active location, this should be so much more common in TTRPGs but for some reason isn't). At least the negotiations with Lulu went remarkably easily - perhaps she really did downplay the "crazy cultist" side of things, and I definitely commend the idea of actually giving it a "but she has a point too" side without making it weird or stupid. This sort of "she may be right" is exactly what was missing from it all - and, yes, as others noted, the idea of her essentially being the fantasy Reformation does not escape me, and it's a worthy idea to play with always. All in all, great session this time, and definitely can't wait to see what horrors the castle will play on the party next week. Also, they should be happy they didn't get a golem dragon based on Murozond instead. And with this, all of my lines start with an A!

[@rdubayoo]

Hope you guys freed all four divine beasts before going in. Otherwise, that final boss fight with Calamity Ganon could be a doozy.

[@illoney5663]

"I've been embracing flame my whole life honey." Absolutely brilliant.

[@circlepit4598]

Feels like a dark souls reference which I love. Sacred charcoal to relight the flame 🔥

[@robertnixon7447]

I know I'm late to this but it sounds as though monty has somewhat based lucrezia off of Martin Luther and his 95 theses. I love this inspiration so much and I'm loving the game, thanks guys

[@briancox3526]

The characters only think of people in terms of what they can get from them and gloss over any negatives in order to get the gains. Monty has done an awesome job showing them what can happen from that.

[@crabwalker01]

Monty absolutely losing it when Joe answers the question "And where have the gods been the whole time?" with "talking to the rats" is definitely a top 5 moment in this campaign.

[@gibbx3321]

hmmm Lucretia Matthias = Martin Luther. Interesting. Great episode so far guys!

[@kevinschmidt6343]

They're sure a lot more careful after the Great Melting Incident of '19

[@dblczx6819]

I think I misjudged Lecretia Matthias. She's scarily intelligent and potent, yet accepting of all. The tenants of what she believes are still slightly off, but she's not as mad as how she came across as back in episode 25 or episode 36, where I saw so many things wrong and she really didn't help her own case with how she acted. Once you actually sit down and read her arguments and discuss them with her, she's awfully close to being someone that you want backing you, though I do wish she wasn't so overly pious. And I think what sways me most at the moment is her discovery with Delirium and how she, an intelligent person that legitimately sees faults in the existing religious system, is being persecuted for it. That's the mark of someone that is wrongly judged by the world. Huh. That'll teach me to judge based off initial impressions. But to be fair, she gave off a poor one... was that intentional, Monty? If so, then you're a master storyteller, and I applaud you.

[@Seergun]

2:14:00 There it is! I couldn't remember when this happened, love this line.

[@psoren423]

Sebastian: why do you get to be successful? Lucretia: Why can’t you be successful? Sebastian: Because.... Lucretia: still waiting for someone else to give you success? Sebastian: ?.!@* I hate you and your untrustworthy, I’m taking my toys and walking away.

[@paraalso]

The factions and their leaders you've created are truly marvelous. Every faction feels like they have good reasons for their beliefs, and each time we learn more about the leaders I get a new favorite NPC.

[@tennesseeponderer3146]

2:11:45 I’m imagining the NPCs looking up at this noise and then being like,”ehh, they’re probably fine.” And then going about their business

[@jasonberg6869]

Monty, did you study medieval history at University? I have a PhD in Medieval History and I must say, your understanding of castle, and general medieval, terminology is fantastic. PS: This is the best live play I've come across since CR

[@dragonborne3277]

1:18 Wonderful steering Monty, sometimes they just don't listen. lol (likely this just playing their character to the fullest)

[@Middleman_93]

"In all encounters in Castle Drakken, Castle Drakken gets a turn." What a terrifying pronouncement, holy cow.

[@jstewart_1]

Stumbled upon your campaign in December. Great performances by everyone!

[@dragonborne3277]

Oh wow! I know of such a crossroads. Not much there but a church (its steeple struck twice by lightning) and a couple of other buildings atop a hill surrounded by farmland.

[@Tasfarel]

The whole party seemingly suffering from Stockholm syndrom "The queen of thieves who tried to kill me likes her - so do i know"

[@seanpanick6555]

Something tells me that Sebastian’s innate distrust of religion is 0% role play.

[@miakay3403]

"I drift lazily to the left". Now that is my kind of humor. 😊😊😊😊

[@captmutt6939]

Pluto you made Sebastian so sad when you started talking about Rose and how much you love her. After all you've been through why you gotta break his heart like that?

[@lahlybird895]

I know right 😒😒😒

[@RicardoMoralesMassin]

you know how people say "goosebumps" "chills". My hairs literally stood on end when the pages told Veo to Run Get out. I had to pause the video and compose myself. Holy guacamole, guys....

[@Diviner1991]

Getting ever closer to wrapping up the campaign! Been an amazing ride!

[@2Cool2Geek]

What a fun game you guys are running! I love how rich this setting is.

[@jonathonsmith4090]

Veo growing up spoiled with servants explains why she eats all the time

[@elementzero3379]

You're right. It explains a lot of her entitled behaviors, as does losing her family as a child. Parts of her are still stuck in her pampered childhood.

[@ssfbob456]

How the hell did Lecretia end up being the character with the most valid points!?

[@dtczyk8976]

The sanest crazy in crazy town.

[@lahlybird895]

This episode almost made me like her except for her insisting on forcing people into her religion still

[@elementzero3379]

Except for the whole "let the holy delerium consume the world" thing. That kind of undermines all of her otherwise sound stances.

[@dragonborne3277]

0:28 Sebastian still doesn't realize you can't reason with deep seated belief.

[@Turntwobounceland]

This is truly the worst that could happen.

[@Brannen666]

I'm trying to catch up!!! Only 2 or 3 behind now. Doing back to back episodes here! 😁

[@Good.shepherd420]

1:03:00 NOOO DONT GO IN THERE Three nat ones be like There is only one thing we can do now boys!!!

[@blackhobbitno1]

Maybe they should just leave Drakkenheim to the ratlings. Leave them to create the rat kingdom they want full of rat schools and universities. So they can be even smarter and create great works of art and litterature. Maybe they will even become peaceful and could be a great ally later in history.

[@FiendishSquirrle]

My theory is thats how tabaxi became a race from whenever this meteor thing happened in ancient times.

[@shanemccausland958]

The ratlings plan was to spread to other cities and kill ALL humans.

[@emmasilver2332]

Yeah they might evolve to be more peaceful…after everyone else is already dead.

[@erikmory6910]

You forgot the library of mages you killed!

[@dragonborne3277]

1:11 "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Matthew and Mark

[@kentvesser9484]

There are some advantages to having read a lot of modern and ancient history/mythology, some theology, and some sociology and psychology too when being a DM. It helps you create a more believable world.

[@BlackShadow1991]

That was yet another cool episode; they may not need it as much, but still, for the algorithm :D Keep on growing.

[@ashenwuss1651]

Drakkenheim, Sumo, and Death Stranding are all I need, at the moment. TGIF

[@dtczyk8976]

This is clearly the first strand type game.

[@archonmegas3718]

So gooood! I loved the fast paced yet still descriptive action. The haunted vibe was exquisite. I want to be playing with you guys so bad! Haha

[@TeslaandDragons]

The music during the dragon fight... that is boss battle music.

[@mooseman1071]

56:10 rip Monty lol :D

[@georgiygerman2251]

Thinking like a mage...Could a Anti Delirium bomb destroy the rats and purify the city...while pissing off lucretia because that's her friends soul 🤔

[@nightflame69]

i like how there is a entire shelf in the background between kelly and joe that is full of 4th edition books..

[@gabrielhawkins-connolly143]

I like how eldric and river just go *Is it worth it?* *no* *Okay* pretty much in their minds when Pluto called Sebastian High Archmage of Drakenhiem.

[@dragonborne3277]

LOL "Of course not I'm on Keto."

[@MrBiloxifireman]

Haha 56:05 1:27:28. Lol nice one Joe Hahaha the snort! 1:37:56 Fantastic I have a new episode to watch when we get back to the Firehouse. Ty ty Dang they forgot about the delirium mines that the queen of thieves was operating. They had crates of delirium. They need $ for Mercenaries. A few giant dire rats(polymorph ) could have ran the other ratlings off from the area maybe ;) Wow! 1,1,1. BOOM Here comes the dragon!

[@rumtumtugger40]

“What’s the worst that can happen?” HA!

[@cattrucker8257]

Bubsy becoming the final boss of the campaign.

[@tenorfab]

dont't pay him no mind.. your traps are just fine.. traptastic even.

[@alex4251]

Terrence McDale ... Trappenhiem?

[@LlorDrei]

It has to be realized from the description, Pluto's father had to have been in his seventies, or so, when Pluto was born.

[@tennesseeponderer3146]

1:25:19 where are they headed to cotton eyed joe

[@dtczyk8976]

Dude fucking right?

[@dgroves1570]

I was really half way through the vod before I got the sitting weight loss joke and I died

[@thejkwolf_9508]

Very late to the party, but I immensely enjoy watching and listening to your DnD game! You are keeping me very well entertainend on my way to work and school. The way you all bounce of with each other is super fun to watch; and Monty is such a good DM with all the character voices and plotlines developing in the background. Massive props to the cast as well: the interactions between Veo, Pluto and Sebastian are great make me burst out laughing more than once! This really feels like something my friends and me would do at the table Out of curiosity (and in case someone actually ever sees this), is there a place to share fanart that is seen by the cast? Either way, I am ready for the end stretch of Season 1!

[@DungeonDudes]

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[@michaelayen2973]

So epic! It's especially fun remembering how not working with Lucretia was about the only thing everybody originally agreed on. ^^ Also slightly heartbroken at 'is that your wife's name is that your wife's name' D:

[@joshuachapman247]

Lol Nice, "truly time is flat circle."

[@ancientdarkmagic1409]

I think it's decided I am aligning with the Falling Fire. They seem like they may have an interesting story line.

[@grantgarbour]

BRUHHHHH LMAO "Where have the Gods been the whole time" "Manipulating the rats" LOL It took me a minute to get that one

[@JokerDoom]

I'm really curious what would happen mechanically and otherwise if the characters decided to put the delirium into their chest. Perhaps they would gain permanent haze resistance.

[@MRCPJ1984]

Will you guys consider reviewing the new UA features?

[@upsettymachete5742]

George is 14 and 5'10? Does that make me Caspian?

[@esgeir9499]

Yes, yes it does

[@ladysilkwing]

I am a 13 year old girl and 5'9

[@davidarriola6412]

That Veo Snort.

[@beebarkhouse9632]

Sebastian's magical weight loss tip: watch as it melts the flesh right off your bones!

[@tennesseeponderer3146]

1:24:00 and we’ve found Sulu

[@kevinschmidt6343]

Have the rats overtaken the big, scary machine thingy yet?

[@Speknoz]

The executioner?

[@kevinschmidt6343]

Yeah, Slaughterstone Square

[@CallenExile]

I doubt it. That's probably the only think that MIGHT be keeping the fish people alive, too.

[@kevinschmidt6343]

I forgot about the fish people. They gotta figure out the fish people, the Executioner, and the Modrons

[@ashleyhoughton8592]

I'd love for them to have seen the executioner being mobbed by Ratlings that are just dying in their hundreds and becoming ratghouls until all of slaughter stone square is filled with an army of ghostly rats and rat hulks alongside the lord of the feast and all the other gnoll and unfortunate adventurer spirits.

[@DoctorDucky250]

My head canon is that Kyle is just Sebastian's Mage Hand irl.

[@loganmarshall5414]

I have an awesome homebrew God that I'm working on. He comes with his own higher plane and everything. Nagol The Chainer Of Gods. He is the living embodiment of The Prison Plane Of Tossc. Composed of the bodies of ancient primordials. I cant wait to scrub all the details out.

[@1Lanavis1]

Pluto is such a player. Riding on his flirtation buddy while screaming out his wife's name. 😱 The audacity! 😂

[@AliAlderete]

Can we stop listening to Seb and letting him to plan xD

[@donalddouds6033]

You would think that they would have learned by now.

[@aaronnunavabizniz199]

No one invested in wisdom or intelligence.

[@voidtarget]

Pluto runs in and steps on a lego

[@mellowtron1166]

56:05 I swear, Joe comes up with the greatest one liners.

[@DocDoesGamingTV]

I have a sudden urge to buy a bottle of wine

[@jairoquinino7261]

Didn't Pluto collect a warhammer from the Knight captain? I think it was magical did he forget?

[@dtczyk8976]

Dude ignatious does radiant damage now, hell yeah he forgot.

[@joewoodland8635]

as a question for monty, if a pc had picked another divine caster, most namely OoA paladin or druid, would you have let them take the mantle of flamekeeper or would that be too tantamount to heresy?

[@dtczyk8976]

I feel like it would have to be the sacred fire since that’s the religion of the city. All the temples and whatnot are sacred fire. So maybe a wildfire druid could?

[@DezNutz892]

soo why hasn't Veo tried commissioning arrows tipped with delirium?

[@stephenodom3431]

Cost?

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

First to compliment Jill's hat. Nice cat. I MEAN HAT!

[@cattrucker8257]

Literally the cat in the hat.

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

@@cattrucker8257 well here's the thing...1 or 2. You can't beat a cat hat. 👌

[@tennesseeponderer3146]

2:13:46 flight is what caused this problem veo

[@LlorDrei]

Something I'm curious about... Are any of the other videos showing the play sessions with Ratfood, Gimbles, and Chubbs, which took place before the Dungeons of Drakkenheim session, or was that game done before the start of the video play?

[@TheNobleAthelstane]

This is the episode where they all rolled ones.

[@captainmaim]

Sebastian is Maui... MY! TEE! EAGLE! Sharkface?

[@novaprime9084]

Monty's voice for Saul reminds me of someone from the old Rudolph the Red nose reindeer movie one of the reindeer teachers.

[@tostiggoodwinson4415]

How was Pluto’s sword changed when Ignacios was freed?

[@ashleyhoughton8592]

From his description it seems like it will deal extra radiant damage now instead of extra fire damage. But I'm not sure if it also means that the zone of truth effect is gone.

[@thewarpandrealms9889]

Flesh warping. Haven't finished the episode but please tell me that the purplish black goop is the equivalent of demonic ichor. Haha

[@christopherrocco56]

Sébastien: I'll be on the look out but I can't say if I'll 'execute' that option. I see what you did there 😊😅🤔😂😏😉😜

[@ashleyien1222]

The Ratling Revolution. lol... amusing, yet scary. Was Kelly sick here? Lots of coughing and sniffling. The god have been manipulating the rats.... Monty loses it. lol LOL. Caspian boy scouts. Only two metals for Pluto :( Pluto upset Eagle Sebastian :( 3 ones? Uh oh... I agree with some commentators, when the DM says this is the worst that could happen, it's pretty bad. ^^; That music... epic battle music... Now Veo wants to stay... though watching the last Q&A, I know she does find her father. I wonder if that'll be next episode.