SLIP TEST - 4MATIC vs QUATTRO - Mercedes W205 C200 vs Audi A6 2.0 TDI -

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

After receiving many comments that there is not enough throttle in Mercedes - here is the answer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIfOqo2AodSrars Here is also another test - E43 AMG vs the same A6: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKK9p2B5e6-rp8k And older generations of A6 and E: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZOtZ32FhrdleZY

[@TheTKK1990]

ill take a look

[@traffbros]

Test is unfair. Cars have different colours

[@ledio.m]

Lol

[@alexandrubucataru4364]

LMAO

[@berkecanavci16]

traffbros hahahahahahah

[@bencrosbie]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@sulek1818]

🤣🤣🤣

[@yili7322]

Ladies and gentlemen, I live in Newfoundland which is famous for the amount of snow we have each year in Canada. My opinion, due to my wife drives a Mercedes B250 4Matic and I drive an A4 Quattro. The key note is: BUYING A GOOD SET OF SNOW TIRE!

[@moritzstopp6036]

Yep thats that's what I was thinking about too even though I live in southern germany and there isn't much snow sadly.

[@mikiii880]

@@moritzstopp6036 Winter tyres don't require snow. Once the temp dips below 10 C, summer tyres lose a good portion of their grip due to stiffening.

[@shakke52]

Go studded for the best traction!

[@yili7322]

@@shakke52 , i used to have studded tires on my front wheel drive Jetta. It was great. But I hate the sound from the tires. A great set a snow tires on a all wheel drive are good enough for me.

[@shakke52]

@@yili7322 Wish I could do the same here in the northest of the northest, north Scandinavia.

[@leventkircalk]

Test should be done by same person. Driving skills change results. So same test one driver push the pedal smoothly, other driver full throoth.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Levent Kirca Driving skills has nothing to do here. Driver presses gas pedal and waits for the reaction of system. We do not measure any reaction times of electronics, that is not labolatory test. Nobody uses full throttle, it may damage the car.

[@martinnikolov2363]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers That's why your test is incorrect..

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@martinnikolov2363 Why? I don't meausure miliseconds of systems reaction times, I don't measure Nm's sent to each wheels. Furthermore - every driver knows his car better then me, so I think that owner of the car will do better behind the steering wheel than any other person. And believe me - every owner wants his car to pass all tests.

[@johna2604]

LOL Here the sensors of the car work, skills wouldn't move the car but the sensors that send message to the main computer to start moving the other free wheels

[@Mr_tunning]

you should take E classe not c

[@Singh415]

in Mercedes that guy is accelerating so slowly n in Audi hes flooring it. wtf man. dont do that dawg!!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Gurpreet Singh Explanation in many other comments.

[@snorman1911]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers And people in those comments still don't get it! Lol.

[@migold8309]

merc cuts the power, not the driver.

[@Slazlo-Brovnik]

Dear Gurpreet "WTF" Singh: I am guessing, the ESP cuts the power. That is also the only reason I can think of, why ESP off should lead to other results. You DO need to understand some basic things to get the point of such tests.

[@joa9069]

Gurpreet Singh that’s true

[@kennycasillas901]

This individual does the best objective testing when it comes to awd. I've seen other videos and each manufacturers fanboys all claim to have the best system even when they lose on these simple tests. Listen they all work, differently, but the all work. Go with what you like and have a nice day. No need to bash other people and their preferences.

[@iggibars]

I've played with these rollers before. It's easy to manipulate the results by altering throttle input. The quicker you hit the throttle, the quicker you pull off the rollers. I had an E350 and 535, and I could easily alter which one appeared to perform better on the rollers. I've never trusted these roller demonstrations ever since, especially ones from dealer or car reviewers of a certain brand. In my opinion, the best way to test AWD capabilities of a car is by testing them on a horizontal incline with the same tires. This has proven to be the best way, but not many people do it.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

iggibars I always tell driver to do that not too slow and not too quick (rollers may hit the car). We usually do a few attempts to find the best level. Reaction times are not measured, that is fun, not labolatory test.

[@DeadpoolxItachi]

This is so true my friend. It not a fair testin.

[@TheMpamMpam]

It would really help if you could give us your thoughts on which is better. Thx PS : you seem to apply much more gas in the Audi, is there a reason?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

TheMpamMpam I do not judge and I rather would not say which is better. When it comes to gas - Mercedes is cutting throttle much harder than Audi, so that is not driver input.

[@TheMpamMpam]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thx for the explanation regarding the gas. As for the not judging part, you test awd systems and an objective opinion from someone with experience is not judgment, it defeats the whole purpose and would add value to your videos. I would reconsider... Nevertheless, thank you for your videos

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

TheMpamMpam Thank you for suggestion, the problem is that if I say that 4Matic is better, I'll get tens of comments that Mercedes paid me. And vice versa. In fact, even without that I get such comments... But if you have questions, it is my pleasure to answer, here or on Facebook.

[@TheMpamMpam]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I really feel you an understand your perspective. Keyboard warriors are waiting to shoot anytime. But I guess that is a part of the exposure... You get the haters together with the people that appreciate your work. Keep it up

[@edu.g6082]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers nice answer, anyway which systems does the Benz use for its AWD for front and rear differentials(limited slip differential or braking each wheel individually) am surprised to see that its a front bias AWD...!

[@Greatdome99]

Rocking back and forth to get out of a jam is something that we've been doing forever. Having your passenger get out and push is another handy aid (especially if she's your mother-in-law).

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIlIl-v9h]

The rims on that Audi are terrrrrrrible

[@MrZyLeXx]

might look terrible but atleast it goes forward.

[@TruckerNaz]

@@MrZyLeXx don't forget they go backward too

[@yrngeniee]

Dont Buy Base Model lol

[@simmisingh3652]

It’s an old model

[@rahuldogra]

Mr. Outlaw its a lower model Payextra you will a nice ones

[@cassinihuygens]

they’re both fine just go buy winter tires and move on

[@TruckerNaz]

ha i get it

[@matthias23h]

Both systems are working great! I'm someone who prefers "quattro" but the Mercedes is doing the same job like the Audi. The quattro system worked quit better here in some situation and the 4 matic system in some situation too. That's all!

[@SgtKanyo]

Honestly I don't see why people say the Audi system is better. Mercedes cuts power a lot sooner, meaning it realizes the loss of grip sooner. With ESP turned off they performed the same. Think about it, you're on a wet road, the car starts sliding, you're in the Audi and the wheels are still accelerating trying to find traction when there's none. While in the Mercedes, SC kicks in much faster giving you back the control.

[@zedmund9123]

Yes the merc had about the same speed with ESP off, but are you going to drive on a wet road with ESP/traction control off? Its cutting the power sooner (more intrusive) but its not sending power back fast enough.

[@SgtKanyo]

@@zedmund9123 Exactly, you probably won't be driving without ESP, especially if you're looking for AWD. I'm a RWD type of guy, but I understand those who are looking for AWD are more interested in traction and safety and for that imo having the power cut faster is better. To prevent excessive wheelspin, you need to not just cut power to that wheel, but also slightly brake it so it can regain traction as soon as possible. A good example for this is if you floor a FWD car in wet conditions and the wheel starts spinning and you let go of the throttle immediately, the wheels will still be spinning. Same can happen with AWD in extreme conditions.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

SgtKanyo Exactly, once tires start spinning, friction coefficient goes down. And when they are already sliding, they can slide easier than before wheel slip occurs.

[@zedmund9123]

@@SgtKanyo understood. Well, in extreme conditions.. I would probably prefer power to the wheels that already have traction to be able to control the already out of control situation. But thats just me, using the accelerator to maintain balance.. and its hard to go for a light brake in an emergency moment, too much braking and you will slide to heaven But based on what youve said the merc would definitely be better in preventing an emergency situation in the first place(cutting power).

[@charity9685]

Quattro is better in snow and rain

[@januscher7877]

You should test the mercedes e class 4matic+ and audi a6 or mercedes c class and audi a4

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

A4 has the same awd system as A6. C has the same awd system as E.

[@bram8333]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers but new e class has 4matic *+*

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@bram8333 OK, but A6 ain't new here. I would need to find the newest generations of both.

[@samuilhristov4155]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah but there is a difference in the power, and E class has at least 50hp more than the C and A6 has more HP than the A4

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@samuilhristov4155 Here you have 190hp in Audi and 183hp in Mercedes. It doesn't matter, during this test cars use maybe 40hp.

[@bartomiej9617]

Świetnie pokazane, że Mercedes lepiej radzi sobie przy delikatniejszym użyciu gazu. Fajny pomysł na test jednak cały efekt psuje fakt, że audi daje od razu pełen gaz. Nie chodzi o to czy prywatnie wolę Marca czy Audi bo uważam, że stare dobre Quattro jest najlepsze jadnak w dzisiejszych czasach to już nie to samo. Quattro już tylko z napisu pozostało.

[@markbrix9385]

Well, they both seem to work. 4Matic often cuts off the power very fast while Quattro is more constant, very interesting. However, I'm glad that BMW's Xdrive did every single one of these tests ;)

[@Swedishbiker]

Quattro did it aswell.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@SwedishbikerQuattro did not.

[@JacobWillumsen]

The time from the wheels starting to rotate until the cars move is irrelevant. The number of rotations of the wheels is more accurate.

[@eretipas2793]

You should test the A4 with C-Class or A6 with E-Class

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Awd systems are the same in A4/A6 and C/E.

[@luketanner7638]

Always that 3 wheel test that gets em

[@MD-xc1zs]

Quatro>4Matic>Xdrive that's all

[@ruzzelladrian907]

2:48 4Matic and Quattro cannot send power individual wheels in the rear. SH-AWD claims it can send power to individual wheels in the rear. I'd like to see an comparison. There's an explanation to why 4Matic can't send power to individual wheels in the rear, it's design makes it lightweight, but still works great.

[@martinsvensson6884]

It can send power to any individual wheel.

[@almighty9662]

They push the gas on audi much more this is sponsored

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Here is exactly the same A6 vs other cars, watch these videos and tell me - who sponsored them? kzbin.info/www/bejne/npPUmqJmoZWcpNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnmsfYtna7pkodE kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIaVl32EbcmVjbc kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKK9p2B5e6-rp8k When it comes to throttle - there are many (not mine) videos showing the same behaviour of 4Matic (with ESP ON, full throttle), here is an example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i16poIiKhc-Uars With ESP OFF - what is driver doing in 3:30 if not accelerating hard??

[@remminytro]

A S exactly!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

widesinder x I see you are the same smart. Really, learn about 4matic, watch other videos and you will understand what BS you write. By the way - I got confused, is it sponsored by Audi or Mercedes?

[@remminytro]

duszaniespokojna Take a hide..

[@almighty9662]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers how rude u are and u want subs and views on ur videos we gonna report ur video asap

[@vadimvarakha6883]

Сейчас, мне очень нравится, как фольцваген играет тягой на все оси.. Более, разумно что ле..

[@r129r16pfl]

I want to see the MB G klasse with 3 locking diff's on rollers

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Kr Dz There is such test on KZbin, it doesn't need lockers to pass all.

[@rodneymorash4013]

🤣🤣🤣👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@vadimvarakha6883]

У меня был мерселес . Не дай боже, на нем зимой или в после дождя, где нибудь встрять. Про ауди не скажу. Опыта вожления на кватро нет. Обе машины, хороши по своему. Но! На мерседесе встрять, это беда.. Не есп не чего обычно не помогает в глубоком снегу.к примеру. Если сел на задницу. Жопа легкая. А переду тяги позоже не хватает. В нккоторых случаях. Перед вообще молчит. Хоть ты, за газуйся. Но. Упрявляемость конечно, классная.

[@weeknightdrive3368]

Audi driver cheats by jamming pedal to the floor. Hence system is forced to react faster. Your comparison SUCKS

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Weeknight Drive It was explained million times. Especially for you, I am not going to explain it any more.

[@socrates5573]

I totally agree with you, Audi sucks, Mercedes too, BMW is the best

[@antypoliticobumbum]

@@socrates5573 love it hahaha

[@3oHe1]

@@socrates5573 and you are brainless if oyu think bmw is better than audi and mercedes bmw is trash car

[@socrates5573]

@@3oHe1 You fucking nuts, STFU

[@junjun2673]

Actually people do not know much about all wheel drive. For the cars like C class and A4, all wheel drive is for better traction to drive on the road. In such extreme condition when 3 tires lose traction, it is not about how strong the car can distribute torque. The real off road vehicle would have differential lock, and you have to activate it manually to lock the torque distribution. Eventually, all the wheels would rotate at same speed with same torque regardless traction if the vehicle has all 3 locks, also such vehicle usually also have low gear to increase the torque by reducing the speed. Please check the physics of flying wheel. There are 3 differential locks and they come in order. Central lock causes front and rear tires have equal torque, rear lock causes both rear tire has equal torque, front lock just same as other. However, only a few real off road vehicles have front lock such as G class or Jeep Wrangler. For example, the current X5 does not have any lock, but the all new X5 has it as option. The old ML has lock, but the current GLE does not.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@Jun Jun I understand what you wanted to say, but your comment (and understanding) is full of huge mistakes. You can't lock the torque distribution by locker, they are doing exactly the opposite thing. Any lock (front/rear, left/right) causes that torque distribution is no more equal to 50-50, but varies from ~0-100 to ~100-0. Only open differentials have always equal torque.

[@HowardSail]

The problem is that you can't compare two cars that are not comparable. For a really fair test it would require two cars with the same weight, the same tires, the same rim sizes, the same power and the same torque. Not to mention humidity and climatic conditions. Or the fact that the driver cannot reproduce the same movement in the same way for each of the two cars. I think that 4matic or Quattro, these two technologies are equivalent and very efficient, it's only a matter of taste. Very few people will have enough experience to identify the difference between these two technologies. Otherwise the video remains interesting!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

AWOL MX All the factors you mention would be important in labolatory test. But not here, where we do that for fun, without any measurments of time, Nm etc. This is very easy test which shows basic operation of traction control and awd system. No judgements.

[@HowardSail]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Of course, I agree with you it's obvious and then there are no cars at Mercedes and Audi that are really identical so we can never really get a 100% accurate result. But the video is well in all respects to understand the mechanism and its effectiveness, nice job !

[@Mr0supra0]

Tires, weight, rims have no impact on rollers, none. Power and torque doesn't matter either because neither of the cars will actually use the power/torque they have in this test, not even close. You could have 1000hp and 1000NM, and 200hp and 300NM in the other, and none of them will use their whole power. This is just a test of the AWD systems itself.

[@UPR91]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thx a lot man for the work you've done and shared. Even with not fully identical condition, that is very instructive to see the behavior of the different system. You've made your experience as an engineer do with what he has. I think the experience with 1 or 2 free wheels was very representative. With 3 free wheels, the contact pressure of the 4th wheel could be very affected by the fact you lifted the car entirely, the resulting force will be the consequence of the shock absorber stiffness and stroke. It could be very different between the 2 cars. Anyway, I liked the demonstration you've made with the different ESP/TC mode. Theses infos are hard to understand and feel just by driving or reading the f manual.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@UPR91 Thanks. Unfortunately I am not an engineer... When it comes to test on three rollers - everything you wrote would be correct if the test was simulating real situation. But IMHO it is not possible in reality to have three wheels with 0% traction and one wheel with 100% traction, that is fun test. I am buying a barrel of whiskey to a person who will show me a car stuck in such condition 🙂

[@bencrosbie]

Not bad. The 3 wheel test is what most would fail on. think audi does more wheel spin than the merc. Both take a while for one of the wheels to kick in at all.

[@elie955eai]

Hey, nice videos. But didn't the audi have an advantage considering it's a diesel with better low end torque?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Elie Abou Issa Thanks. There is not much torque needed in such tests, so no real advantage. Good awd systems pass these tests even if cars have no turbo small petrol engines.

[@oguzhaneren]

This is mainly a electronic locking diff test, rather than engine power/torque.

[@zepter00]

Elie Abou Issa no.

[@edwindominguez2548]

I like the video a lot i mean Audi does spend millions of dollars to research awd systems mercedez is more of like an offer of awd but not their center point. Also their specialty is rwd not awd. Quattro is so sophisticated it can send power to other wheels within milliseconds i dont think it was unfair i just think the tests show the truth. My Audi has seen snow and never gotten stuck

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Edwin Dominguez Actually, there are some systems which are faster than Quattro. When it comes to Mercedes, in others models (G, GLC etc.) they have systems which can pass all tests probably easier than any Audi, so they somehow use different software in different models (so is Audi in fact).

[@edwindominguez2548]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Audi is now using a new system of quattro look it up is called ultra technology

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@edwindominguez2548 I tested it a few months ago, check my channel.

[@Doa744]

hey my RWD AMG has seen snow and never got stuck... what does that prove?

[@edwindominguez2548]

@@Doa744 never said it couldn't ive owned fwd audi a4 that dont struggle at all and just saying that if awd is your specialty youre going to be better

[@User-wb3pk]

If you slow down the video you can see that mb needs less wheel spins than audi

[@44hasso87]

Oy yeah nahui

[@maxk7258]

@@44hasso87 oh yeah nahui

[@imty8774]

Test every car with the awd option. I love these kinds of technical videos instead of the crap the other reviewers give just to make a long ass video. And the best part is that you don't talk and let the results do the talking.

[@ACERASPIRE1]

What do they prove?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Here is the answer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2OZmmOwptmYjqc

[@nickjewlz1019]

Personally from viewing, the Audi appears to let more revs due to the system realising a wheel still has suitable traction and letting the others spin freely to allow for future traction. The Benz does realise the wheel with traction but has a limited amount of wheel spin speed before cutting power if all wheels aren't moving after a certain point. One thinks it's stuck(Audi) hence why it allows more power till all wheels spin, the other thinks it's moving and losing traction(Benz) hence why it limits power to get all wheels to same speed which is for control and stability. In the end it's kind of inconclusive but they're doing as programmed

[@kulifrunsen]

That A6 look like an inferior car when in reality it's a much more expensive car. The A6 competes with the E class

[@jdkodak487]

The trim of the cars are too far apart c200 to A6. Still would take Mercedes over a Audi anyday.

[@Gizawar]

Yeah it should be E class vs A6 or C class vs A4

[@andreaskretzinger6405]

Why - the C-Class have the same AWD as the E-Class (45:55), the GLA, A, have an "hang-on" like "Haldex" from the Volkswagen/Audi

[@jonathana1448]

Hi not sure if your reading this or no but I'd like to say don't mind the comment section. Too many fanboys butthurt. I believe both cars did well. Merc doesn't allow a lot of throttle but the Audi does and this is what alot of people cannot understand. Both cars are good in thier own ways. Great video btw.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Exactly, thanks.

[@calvin4342]

Me encantan estas pruebas, sigan así! Saludos

[@akaJustMo]

What I learned from this video: 1. Mercedes ESP is actually doing something. It limits the slippage very well. Not that much on the Audi. 2. You can't get the Audi on the rollers driving forward due to the bad ESP. Therefore, they had to get on the rollers in reverse in hardest senarios. 3. The performance of both is impressive given that both are sedans. But I'll pick Mercedes over Audi for ESP. safety first. :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

ONEK7L Point 2 is wrong. It has nothing to do with ESP, it depends where I put the rollers.

[@akaJustMo]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I might be wrong because I'm guessing based on what I saw on the first clip of the Audi. The wheel was spinning so badly with only one roller. Give it a shot again with three and see what will happen. Please keep this observation in m future videos. Try to create the same exact conditions for both test subjects. And by the way, thank you so much for the time and efforts. I like the video and the idea.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

ONEK7L Thanks. Conditions are always the same - rollers and pavement. Sometimes rollers do not move on pavement, so cars are going back on them for another test on reverse gear. There was never a situation that car was not able to drive onto the rollers.

[@Johann_Weis]

Quattro without Torsen is not Quattro.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Анатолий Малышкин Do you think there is no torsen A6?

[@Johann_Weis]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers why this A6 don't ride on 1 rear wheel? Its rear diff not blocked, therefore it's not Torsen. Correct?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Johann_Weis I have no idea what you mean. Rear and front diffs are open. Center one may be torsen or crown gear diff, dependent on version.

[@Johann_Weis]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes, both diffs are open, but Torsen are selfblock diff, aren't he? So, why car not ride on 1 wheel?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Анатолий Малышкин Torsen is not locking, that is common mistake. Torsen cannot lock, it only multiplies the torque. But it needs grip. If there is no grip, it works like an open diff. And it has nothing to do with test where only one wheel has grip, that is up to front or rear diff.

[@yomeyo6622]

Looking at the video, it looks like the Mercedes driver was always going easy on the gas pedal, while the Audi driver was pushing the gas a bit more, which makes it an unfair test. However, after reading the comments, the tester says that because the Mercedes ECU cuts the power at 1,000 RPMs, while Audi's ECU lets the revs go higher. If that's the case, then how about you give the viewers some type of visual clue as of the pressure applied on the gas pedal, and rpms maybe? This way, we can all witness that the drivers are applying the exact same pressure on the gas pedals, but each vehicle reacts differently by regulating the RPMs. We need something about that, otherwise, it really looks like it's not the same power applied on both cars.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Idea is good, in fact there are some older videos with additional camera on speedometer & tachometer but here's another problem - we are always looking for optimum level of throttle: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnfWYYKFitmDm6c (speed range up to 30 km/h). This level is different in different cars, so within a minute we would get the comments that test is unfair cause throttle is not the same. Or why do we keep the car at 1000 rpm. So another camera needed on the foot. And another comments that the footage is fake and furthermore - driver is moving the steering wheel. So anyway I would have to expalin everything million times.

[@kde5fan737]

I think these roller tests are slightly unfair to the cars. Even though it doesn't seem like the tires are sunk down between the rollers, the angle of the rollers (diameter of them) and the space between them, and the fact they spin (obviously) will effect how much power is needed to pull the car out of the rollers and I think we are underestimating the amount of power needed to do this. I would be very interested to see some rollers that are like 4-6" diameter or even 16-24" (and single roller). The smaller rollers spaced as close as possible and mounted in a recessed floor - like a dyno setup. The 16-24" rollers would be setup like a dyno setup as well. This would be much more expensive to setup but it would provide a more real world test for driving conditions on a flat surface or even ice that has been slightly chewed away b/c spinning tires (especially the 2 4"-6" rollers would mimick this better). I have a suspicion that all these cars would pass these tests with only one wheel driving the car. I think there is much more power needed to get off the rollers in the video than people think, which is why in many of these tests, cars with higher power or much less weight do much better on the test.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

If rollers were like you described then cars would be able to pass the test even on four rollers 🙂

[@fakedflyer4451]

When you try to make Mercedes look bad by gently tapping on the gas but in the Audi pedal to the medal??

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Faked Flyer In fact, there was pedal to the metal in Mercedes, not Audi. Think and try to find out how's that possible.

[@joepopes7923]

Pretty much the same. But a car is normally in motion and that's where it counts how the system works. What I know is, the 4-Matic goes very well on the beach in my ML. My Mitsubishi Triton 4WD had more problems even in low gear. We do not have snow here in Australia.

[@rimax82]

You forgot to test with all 4 wheels on the roll 😂

[@stayer85]

Czy W213 E63 ma centralny dyfer+ clutch pack czy jedynie clutch pack w transfer case?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Niestety nie mam wiedzy na ten temat. Edit: jeśli ten sam układ ma E43, to jest to otwarty dyfer bez sprzęgła.

[@michaelbierbaum2201]

Super Video

[@orical2832]

These tests makes me realise just how good my Subaru Outback is...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

What Outback do you have?

[@joejagce6094]

Audi driver very aggressive on the pedal

[@SnoVVdogsPks]

They always are :D.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

He wouldn't be aggressive in Benz - it cuts the throttle immediately.

[@theblitz1687]

how does turning esp off helps?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

The Blitz There is no cut of engine power.

[@theblitz1687]

i guess i should learn what esp actually does. thanks

[@grivious31]

The Electronic Stability Program is used on modern vehicules to take partially control on power input and braking in case of a detection of a control loss. For example, if you're going in a turn at a high speed or too great angle of steer, the sensors will get this and the program will do the rest. Also helps on keeping the wheels from spinning when applying too much throttle. Cordially.

[@lauri.99]

Yes ESP system brakes when necessary to keep car in straight line to prevent it sliding side ways. In modern cars in that esp system are also included many more system like asr. All these systems together can brake wheels cut power from engine etc....

[@droneVision_by_ZUNNA]

Mercedes😍

[@alexch8084]

MB - slow gasiline , audi - full throttle

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Nope. MB - system cuts the throttle. Audi - system doesn't cut the throttle.

[@Moro8903]

Szkoda że audi ruszało na pełnej pi****e, a Mercedes na pół gwizdka -.-

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Mo Ro Odpowiedziałem Ci na to w innym komentarzu.

[@jackm3458]

Być może to wynika z skrzyni biegów i sterownika ale i tak widać przewagę Mercedesa

[@Kamil-si3cc]

T P pokaz mi ta przewagę ?

[@jackm3458]

Przenieś to na warunki drogowe na przykład ruszasz na śliskim i tak w audi zanim zadziała jakikolwiek system trakcji bądź mechanizmy rużnicowe o ograniczonym poślizgu (o ile jest więcej niż jeden między osiowy a raczej nie ma więcej) to te koła które ruszyły wyślizgują sobie dołek i nie są wstanie nawet w niewielkim stopniu wspomóż podczas gdy Mercedes w podobnej sytuacji ma szansę skożystać z nawet nie wielkiej sily przyczepności kół ponieważ nie zrywa na starcie przyczepności bo rusza płynnie.

[@filmydlawszystkich2157]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Jaki to jest napęd quattro, stały na 4 czy załączany?

[@kde5fan737]

I've seen a lot of cars fail the 3 roller test which I kind of find hard to believe. How much power can be transfered to a single wheel? If these cars have say 200hp and even if one wheel only gets 25%, that's 50hp which should be more than enough to move the car forward and over the tiny bump of the rollers. Now add in power split, where more power is sent to the wheel with grip, even if it's only 50% that's 100hp which should be PLENTY for all of these cars to move off the rollers - regardless if these cars are lacking torque (which they probably have a minimum of 180ftlbs at 1500 rpm in these models - probably much more. So why are they struggling? What am I missing here. I've driven cars that didn't weigh much less than these things but had only 71-110hp (some only ~75-112ft lbs torqrue) and even when one wheel was on ice, the other on pavement, it had plenty of power to drive off - but it was a 2wd car - I'be driven FWD & RWD cars like this. So these underpowered cars (with similar power per drive wheel) managed to drive off in icy conditions w/o any traction control & relying on driver "skill". Am I missing something with these AWD systems" how can they not drive off any roller when at least one wheel has full contact. I would think that would be a MANDATORY minimum for any AWD system, and any car that can't do that, I have to question the engineering and numbers they are claiming. So are these cars not getting off the rollers b/c they don't have enough power going to one wheel? Is it because of the physics of the roller's - having to drive the car up and over the slight diameter of the roller (which doesn't seem like much, but it might be more difficult than thought - I'd like to see the physics of this). We need a deeper look into this situation.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There are many underpowered cars that can pass three roller tests, so it is all up to awd system and traction control. Software must be smart enough to recognise the situation and divide the torque. It doesn't matter if car has 1000hp or 100hp engine, there's just a small amount of that needed in the test. But that must be send to appriopriate wheel. These rollers are indeed "deep", so car must climb a little - that is also harder than it looks, in fact harder than an incline. There is technical drawing in FAQ 1 video.

[@FOGoticus]

What does this test prove exactly?

[@MasterDedalius]

Both are crap. Get a range rover

[@Eric-zs6rd]

We have an Audi A6, A 4x4 Dodge truck and a corvette. For whatever reason, females think that the audi's "quattro" is a more capable system for low traction scenarios than the truck with a real transfer case, 4 low, and diff lockers. The power of marketing.

[@nemanjaknezevic4797]

Audi Driver press full gas,Mercedes driver press smoothly gas!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Actually it is exactly the opposite... kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIfOqo2AodSrars

[@saimadhav9898]

So, when the systems are switched off, AWD doesn't work effectively coz it's electronic?? Why wasn't that easy for C200? Would love to here from you :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

These systems are partly mechanical and partly electronic. They have mechanical center diffs and brake traction control systems. With ESP OFF, electronics are still active (traction control) but engine power is not limited by the system.

[@saimadhav9898]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for your reply 😀 Also, can you elaborate what went with the C class???

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@saimadhav9898 System wasn't braking the wheels strong enough but that happened only in one test.

[@Phobos_Deimos]

Quattro is not as good as fanboys told us. The driver revs the Audi engine much higher than In Merc. It's unfair.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Климент Алмазов I explained that many times - Mercedes is cutting power about 1000 rpm. I agree with the rest of your comment.

[@adisadis6313]

Finally, after all those videos, wich car perfoms better....?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Better than what? If you mean the best then there is a few like Jeep, Subaru, Suzuki, Land Rover, Tesla...

[@adisadis6313]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i mean 4×4...

[@maxehv]

Learned nothing from this, the audi is giving much more revs so the traction system engages faster

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIfOqo2AodSrars

[@mycarswiththerings4773]

Interessant wäre ein Vergleich von zwei quattros, ein aus den 90er Jahren und ein neues aktuelles Modell. Ich fahre ein quattro aus den 90er und bin mir sicher dass er nicht schlechter ist als ein aktuelles Modell.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@mycarswiththerings4773 What model do you drive?

[@mycarswiththerings4773]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Audi 80 B4 quattro, Umbau 4,2l V8 290 PS Siehe Videos.

[@samrowell2418]

Mercedes all the way 🙌

[@snorman1911]

What's the functional difference between both rollers on one side vs diagonal?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

For mechanical part it is the same. But it is different for software.

[@gm9464]

c class vs a6 🤷‍♂️

[@ghazibagazi9687]

Finaly which one win ? Which one is the best?

[@RaphaelKing1337228]

На мерсе трогается плавно, а на ауди во всю тапку жмёт

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIfOqo2AodSrars

[@Oblomoff_fan]

Ауди лучшая. Смирись

[@Arppa00]

hi i don't know if you have done alredy but you should do a old mercedes awd vs new old like the w124 1985-1995 and new like that c model you had on this video or e model it would be nice to see how the 4matic has improved over the years.or maybe it has gotten worse ??

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Arppa Viuhko I would do such test with pleasure, it is all up to people who owns such cars, everybody is welcome for the test!

[@a523266]

Машинки симпатичные особенно Мерс

[@georgeirsa1003]

Wrongly made test: 1)Audi was higher rpm at all tests. At low rpms it was not moving. 2) on the three spinning wheel test he was rocking the Audi. 3) on three wheel spinning guest Audi had the supports further off providing grip on the end of support instead of roller. Having said that, still thank you for making this. I would say they are about the same.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Wrongly made comment. Audi was at higher rpm cause that's what the system does. Benz system cuts the throttle immediately, those systems operate in completely different ways. Frame of a blue rollers doesn't provide the grip, you can find some tests where cars were struggling although standing on a frame. Having said that, thank you for watching and enjoy my other tests 🙂

[@georgeirsa1003]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers comments are never wrongly made. Comments can be wrong but not made wrong.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@georgeirsa1003 OK, language thing.

[@beharpeza9409]

Thats what i wona say why do you aply more gas at the audi.not fair

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Behar Peza Where do you see more gas at Audi?

[@wwyk1993]

He didn't apply more gas in the Audi, it's just the Mercedes cutting power due to loss of grip

[@joepopes7923]

Nice video. It shows how a modern 4WD works. It's about electronics and they are nearly the same. The older Quattro Drive was way better, it was a real mechanical 4WD, but much more expensive to build. Today a 4WD is nothing more than an all wheel drive with all breaks controlled by sensors and electronics. Now it's up to the programmer, what his priorities are and it's always a compromise. When this cars getting older, there are to many things that can go wrong and break down. I prefer older Quattros and Subarus. I really would like to see the same test old Quattro vs. new one.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

joe popes Maybe next year I will do video "old vs new", so far maybe this will be interesting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pF7MnZ2fn5p-h5I There is no old Quattro which can pass all tests, it is probably the same with Subaru: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp_dg6SDaKufjaM

[@ivan9066]

I'm a Mercedes fan boy, and yet i can say that the quattro system is more complex.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@Draggy654 In this case both cars have full time, always on awd systems with mechanical center differential.

[@ivan9066]

@Draggy654 since the 2nd gen 4matic its an all time awd. I drive an E320 4matic, goes like a rally car in snow.

[@ChrisJBN]

Are the rims on the Mercedes bigger? That would explain why people seem to think you’re revving the Audi more. That as well as both AWD systems react differently as you have already said.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Christopher Burnham I have no idea if they are bigger :)

[@MasonGeorge24]

Benz the best.

[@cocorico3341]

Quattro the best!!!!

[@reggiezhang2917]

foolish

[@edwindominguez2548]

Lol but it failed

[@MasonGeorge24]

@@edwindominguez2548 LOL no.

[@edwindominguez2548]

@@MasonGeorge24 but the video cant lie bruh

[@Fabio-80]

Switch TC in Mercedes? Where is it?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

That's in service menu.

[@Fabio-80]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Esp ok, and Tc NO!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Fabio-80 I don't know what you mean. There's a combination of buttons that opens service menu where you can switch TC off, that's like a dyno mode.

[@Fabio-80]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers aaah Okk😉

[@martinskamla6789]

All grip would just get of really fast

[@chriscreativestudio]

You wrote that the Quattro not uses full throttle - just look at 3:11 and say something about it. the test is quite a good idea to illustrate how 4WD Systems of different manufacturers work. but please - just for the future - take comparable vehicles of the same class. An A6 must challenge with an E-Class, because Quattro is not Quattro and 4Matic is not 4Matic in all types of cars. Also take the same driver.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I don't see any full throttle at 3:11, that is about 10-20 km/h. Full throttle is never used in such tests, that would damaged the cars and rollers. A6 has the same awd system as A4, C has the same awd system as E. Drivers are usually the owners of the cars - they know their cars better than any outside driver.

[@chriscreativestudio]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers For sure. But does the Audi uses more throttle then the Mercedes? Is the Audi modified (air intake / filter, Motormanagement,...)? Whats with the Wheel- and Rimsize? Different?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@chriscreativestudio Throttle is regulated by the system. In Mercedes we even tried pedal to the metal, still spins the wheels very very slowly. Audi is stock, no modifications. Rimsize - I don't know, but it doesn't make any difference.

[@yasarcelik8132]

Audi quattro is best

[@KilobaiD]

How did you activate only rwd or awd

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

KilobaiD I don't understand what you mean.

[@Samed21]

Tested Lada Niva

[@napraznicul]

All these youtube "awd tests" on rollers, in fact testing speed of communication between ECU to ABS controller then to brake system. That's all! It's nothing about mechanical system, or about a real center diff, and YOU KNOW that fact! Only a few audi's and 2vw's ..have selflocking rear diff. Rest of them, simulate locking software, with help from abs sensors and brake calipers.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

napraznicul Almost correct. Speed of communication between ECU to ABS controller then to brake system is on the second place. Firstly system must recognize the situation and decide what to do. If rollers are placed under front or rear wheels, the test shows what center diff (or clutch pack) will do, it works before any traction control system intervenes.

[@napraznicul]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers all 3 or even 2 diff's are Open! So, the electronic system will decide what to "day" for the abs controller! Yes, i know.. theoretically, torsen is selflockable, but practically..at that load as in movie, it never locks between axles!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

napraznicul If you are talking about the video above, then center diff of Mercedes looks open. But you wrote "All these youtube awd tests". A lot of cars have much more sophisticated center diff than open (like A6 from the test which probably doesn't have torsen). And it is the first element which works in every test, abs controller comes into action later on.

[@napraznicul]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers if isn't selflocking center diff, doesn't came in action before electronics brake "locking diff simulator" in any way, because without (let's short) LDS, the car equipped with 3 open diff, will not past any rollers test! The a6 from vid above, had one torsen (i don't think there it is "quattro ultra" which basically is a multi-clutch system as the competition bmw and merc use- but worse implemented as weight distribution on axles) plus two open diff's, but seems his electronics are little bit slower than merc electronics.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@napraznicul Power goes from engine/transmission to center diff and then to diffs and wheels. If there is slippage, there is feedback from ABS/TC system. So center diff is the first in line to split the torque. If it's open, it will just split the torque 50/50, value limited by the wheel with least grip. Torsen will behave similar, but there is a doubt if this A6 has torsen or crown gear diff. Probably the second one, so it comes to action with locking feature.

[@laurezxdrive1858]

4Matic and XDrive😏😏😏

[@eldinmehovic9020]

You are Gay

[@aliss7128]

Fanboys fighting about which is better while i'm here just enjoying watching the car do it's thing😂

[@autobattle985]

На 3:35 чёрный дымок у мерседеса

[@chung729chung]

Quattro nowadays isn’t the old rally winning Quattro. Everyone uses e-diff and center diff now. Only the settings in the ecu are different.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

kenneth law And do you remember what kind of Quattro was "rally winning"?

[@marcus2267]

Audi s1 e2 was fucking awesome 😍. Nah yeah the newer cars using e diff but some of the older mechanic

[@gabrijelkordic1652]

I am Mercedes fan but Audi is best with quattro power Audi is winner😐

[@fernarias]

The real sad part is how similar these cars look.

[@migold8309]

not at all.

[@TM-fd4tm]

QUATTRO rules

[@sarge27271]

I am surprised to see the Mercedes seemingly slow to react to the situation, considering they make Unimog.......maybe driver input?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Here are tests with different cars and different drivers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5WtaaJuZs-jjKM kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIS9p6iPitaBqNE

[@nurlybeksultangereyev8878]

Надо признать тот факт, то что система куатро намного, «намного» эффективнее 4матика и Хдрайва!

[@alanchik7775]

Соглашусь

[@alexbeau348]

хоть и недолюбливаю ауди но надо признать что это действительно так

[@Dreamlink91]

Quattro has the most advanced AWD system. It is a known and tested FACT. But great educational video.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There are a few types of Quattro, none of them was invented by Audi. The most popular - torsen - is over 100 years old. And there are more sophisticated systems, Quattro isn't any special, Audi uses the same solutions as many other car brands.

[@ayushasuvarna.8399]

Applying more gas for the Audi 😂

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Nope. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIfOqo2AodSrars

[@tomkruze2749]

I’m a Mercedes fan but, Quattro is a better system. It Also weighs much more because of the transfer cases. 4-matic is 90% as good and it’s only 50% the weight. Unless your off-roading in mud the difference is never known. Save the weight and buy Good Tires.

[@luminitagabrielafloroiuhos921]

😍 Audi Quattro Allroad

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

LUMINITA GABRIELA FLOROIU HOSU Coming up in a few days!

[@easycomeeasygo8901]

problem is neither have torque vectoring or lsd. Quattro is reliable, but there are a lot more sophisticated systems out there. going off b5 platform. I can tell you you can still get stuck in the snow even with snow tires. now yes the car is lowered not slammed. and there was about 10 inch or so of snow but more at the bottom of the driveway where I got stuck. problem is it was like a pickup truck one wheel spinning in the front one in the back. if it had LSD at least in the rear I'm pretty sure I could have gotten free. on the other hand, the super handling all-wheel drive in the Acura TL the last one they had a 6-speed manual does have torque vectoring. I'm sure with that there would not have been a problem. I do still enjoy my Audi more. even though it breaks down a lot more than the Acura, lol. I'm going to be doing an LSD rear and 4:1 High bias Center. take some of that plowing away.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

For such situation good traction control system is enough to spin all wheels.

[@easycomeeasygo8901]

4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel. 2001 S4 has none however. the lsd rear upgrade will help alot

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@easycomeeasygo8901 It must have EDL. It is standard since mid 90's.

[@Dilschod88]

На мерине водила не очень

[@sellafieldz7957]

Дилшод Ганиев а который на Ауди водила тебе понравился?

[@Dilschod88]

@@sellafieldz7957 водила на ауди более уверенно себя чувствует и газу больше даёт

[@АйгулТулеуова-г9я]

Ауди из раскачки вышел

[@ИванИванов-п6к7ъ]

@@Dilschod88 да не водила даёт, а тачка позволяет крутить мотор. На меренге электроника просто душит мотор. Вполне возможно они в пол оба давили.

[@edwardandrade4390]

Great video

[@mariuszmazurkiewicz2754]

No dobrze ale przy Mercedesie daje mniej w palnik!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Mariusz Mazurkiewicz W którym momencie?

[@Moro8903]

duszaniespokojna W każdym. Za każdym ruszeniem w Mercedesie koła zaczynały się bardzo powoli krecic

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Mo Ro Ok, skoro w każdym, to czy nie przyszło Ci do głowy, że tak działa 4matic? Co więcej - przy teście na trzech rolkach kierowca wciskał gaz do podłogi. W przypadku skrzyń automatycznych samochód kręci też kołami w czasie, kiedy kierowca przekłada stopę z hamulca na gaz. Jedni robią to szybciej, inni wolniej.

[@Moro8903]

duszaniespokojna Masz racje. Nie pomyślałem że taka może być reakcja Mercedesa tym bardziej że w trakcie wykrycia poślizgu (co rozumiem jest symulowane na rolkach) ecu ogranicza moment silnika.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Mo Ro Z wszystkich dotychczas testowanych samochodów tylko Mercedesy reagują w ten sposób, szczególnie podczas testu na trzech rolkach - koła zaczynają się bardzo, bardzo powoli kręcić. Myślę, że taka reakcja systemu może się doskonale sprawdzać np. na lodzie.

[@b.s.7693]

Its interesting to see that the mercedes couldn't perform anything without electronic assisting...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

B. S. Simple answer for that - three open differentials.

[@b.s.7693]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ok thats actually crazy. In fomer times no manufacturer build an AWD with 3 open differentials. At least the center diff should be an limited slip diff.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

B. S. I agree, however first Quattro had 3 open diffs... Useless.

[@b.s.7693]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers right, first quattro cars had such a configuration but the center diff was manually lockable

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@b.s.7693 First Quattro had lockable center and rear diff. But it is impossible to drive such car on wet tarmac or slippery ice roads. Nowadays electronics do the job even if al diffs are open.