SLIP TEST - Nissan X-Trail All Mode 4x4-i vs Mitsubishi Outlander AWC -

[@Bill-y4h]

It's fake . The Nissan is not being put into 4x4 until it's been left spinning the wheels for a while . In 4x4 it will only spin for a second and them climb out . Nissan X-trail and Subaru have the best traction control systems .

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Bill-y4h Nope, there's no fake, all modes were tested like shown in the video.

[@Bill-y4h]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers This test is vastly different to others I have seen and X trails , Subaru and Mercedes 4x4 out preformed the Mitsubishi and many others . I still say it's commercially slanted .

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Bill-y4h Those you have seen must have been fake. We have no interest in making fake videos. And when it comes to Nissan - here's a test with live data from 4x4 controller so no doubts which mode is selected: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2PJmIR6mbiqpqM

[@Bill-y4h]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Well they were done by auto engineers in Europe on a large roller test bed hooked up to computers not a couple of dodgy roller skates . Mitsubishi back then was inferior to Nissan and Subaru . Your test does not inspire me to believe otherwise .

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Bill-y4h How do you know the auto engineers weren't commercially slanted but we are? And how do you know what was the resistance of the rollers they had there? Link those tests.

[@FitnessClub24sprzet]

I would rather choose an X trail anyway :) Love it for overloading journeys. Brilliant spacious car (you can sleep inside and have a view on stars over huge sunroof), and small enough to use it in the city :) Love it. REally recommend it.

[@Palpac]

I have the t32 xtrail diesel and love it. It's actually pretty nippy on the open road and around town, parks like a dream and can fit quite a bit in it.

[@8190930]

Overloading? How much overloading? :-) I need to know because I would like to buy this car for some heavy duty, like loading it with 700 or 800 kilos of weight

[@hidemichiXT]

Cool idea to add those yellow dots on tires like Xtrail has had. Very nice to see how eletronic systems are trying to split torque between wheels while searching for the grip.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yeap, all new tests will include those yellow dots :)

[@robertvlasceanu3836]

Yes. Perfect idea to see how the system splits torque

[@robertvlasceanu3836]

Also at the beginning of the video you could add the car power, torque and also the weight. I think this also matters for the tests. It is just a suggestion 😃

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@robertvlasceanu3836 Engine specification is in description. It doesn't matter much cause cars are using only a few hp and only a few Nm in such tests. If there was a trailer behind then it would make major difference 🙂

[@robertvlasceanu3836]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers then just put a trailer behind them and show me the figures. Haha. Just kidding. Keep up the good work!

[@andrewbyrne281]

Own a t30 2002 xtrail in my experience is a good lil car for dirt roads. You can get into some pretty serious mud just gotta be mindful of taking the right line and what not. No way is it a proper 4x4 but is more capable then people think. Hevent been bogged..... Yet.

[@Hedge-Hog]

Bought a new t31 173 in 07 sold it in 012 just bought it back :)

[@aspiringaspie3280]

For All Wheel Driving you need to think about ground clearance too. My CR-V was doing some rough farm tracks with this generation Outlander and the Outlander kept on bottoming out.

[@dzumba9897]

Gen 2 Cr-V ?

[@aspiringaspie3280]

@@dzumba9897 1st Gen

[@doncorleon9]

The outlander has a longer wheen span.

[@ad-venturer305]

Thanks for testing 2wd performance on x trail. I've heard the myth, that the system can force power to rear wheels under heavy acceleration....(when only 2wd is selected)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yes, some docs say that in 2WD mode rear wheels may be powered (T30 model), that's what we wanted to check in T31. forum.nissanklub.pl/uploads/monthly_12_2013/post-53985-0-63197700-1387522101.png

[@Palpac]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that's meant to be the case for the T31 but I think it might be more due to the esp if it feels you losing traction while cornering

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Palpac Maybe this year we will check it by live readings via OBD :)

[@x.trailcwb1546]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers nice, with cvtz50 app you can see the axes % of power.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@x.trailcwb1546 Does it work only for Nissan or other cars to?

[@jamesjacobs7944]

From videos it looks like tyre diameter on x-trail is smaller. Is it to spec on test vehicle? Smaller tyre sits deeper between rollers. Angle to climb out is then steeper and vehicle will find it more difficult to climb out. Both vehicles perform well for real life situations. It looks like Mitsubishi front and rear tyres rotate at different speeds. Is there some bias built into Mitsubishi system?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Outlander wheels indeed looks bigger but that's not a difference which make any major influence on how they sit in rollers, probably ~1 mm. Mitsubishi system is using the same parts as Nissan, the biggest difference is in software.

[@jameskidenya733]

I was looking for a brilliant eye

[@andreykakitis7025]

Срасибо за обзор

[@samin2173]

Manufacturers should more clearly indicate "4wd lock" to mean center lock only as it has nothing to do with front or rear axle lock (as the cars do not have those). In my mind "4wd lock" stands for all four wheels spinning with same speed mechanically locked center + rear + front and even one wheel with grip can move the car. Videos demonstrate well how far away the cars are from such rear 4wd performance...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Actually there is even no center lock. LOCK only means that system is never ever switching to 2WD.

[@samin2173]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers So "4wd lock" stands for "nothing is actually locked at all" :-)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@samin2173 Correct. It stands for "power is always going to both axles, torque split: variable". However in many cases AUTO mode means the same...

[@gabrys187]

In xtrails instruction manual it is said that 4wd Lock means that system doesn't wait till front axle slips to enable rear axle unlike the Auto mode. If your speed will be more than 5 km/h the system will automaticly switch to 4wd Auto mode, but the Lock will stay enabled what means that you don't have to switch it on after you pull over. If your speed will be over 40 km/h the system will automaticly dissable the Lock mode so that you will need to enable it after pulling over.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@gabrys187 AUTO mode isn't waiting for slippage of front. In T31 it is continuously powering rear wheels (at least to 110 km/h) with variable torque.

[@3alaaa]

very nice test

[@Ahto42]

Not bad both, Hard to choose, wich is better. Interested to see how the facelifted model will do. IMO the cars weight plays a role too. QQ and Duster are smaller and lighter and they managed the one rear wheel test. Maybe, the Brake assisted LSD is more agressibly programmed in them compared to the X-trail?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Duster I didn't make it. Duster II did: kzbin.info/www/bejne/omjSZ6itbrJ-r7M

[@bmbl80]

I've got T31 Automatic Facelift and I'm in the queue for test :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@bmbl80 Warsaw? 🙂

[@bmbl80]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers tak :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@bmbl80 Jesteśmy w kontakcie :)

[@nopenope250]

These two vs Opel Antara any thoughts ? 2,0 vcdt

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Still looking for the Antara...

[@nopenope250]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers don't give up

[@ulisess.1278]

So ... ESP ON vs ESP OFF while off road driving?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Onroad and offroad.

[@Softroader]

This also shows an important thing; the link between traction control system and ESP. Here, even the TC of Mitsubishi seems to have a better calibration, it also seems to be dependent of ESP. It also seems that ESP have an interaction with the multi-plate clutch. It seems to limit the transfer of torque to the rear when EPS is active. Maybe just a feeling...

[@Ahto42]

@@SoftroaderESP pulls the engine power down. If ESP off, then on nissan, The Brake assisted LSD still works, but how strong, depends from programming. Mitsu with ESP off and front wheel on the ground. it did not even try.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Ahto42 Indeed. In those generations of Mitsubishi - TC goes off together with ESP.

[@Softroader]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It is exactly that i say. Like on CRV III

[@sorinadrianabeaboeru1044]

How it helps the hand brake when front wheels and one rear wheel had traction??

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Theoretically it should increase the resistance on non traction wheel thus more torque would be applied to traction wheel.

[@Ahto42]

When comes the facelift version?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Unfortunately I don't know, so far, the planned tests have not been carried out 🙁

[@samin2173]

In the last test handbrake is held up yet the rear wheel spins?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It is partly held to increase the resistance.

[@toplespecah666]

2.0 enough power for xtrail?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Sure.

[@toplespecah666]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks

[@ComaPitchBlack]

X-Trail bardzo ładnie reaguje jak odzyskuje przyczepność. Nie ma tej nerwowości w napędzie i wystrzału jak z procy po odzyskaniu przyczepności. Tym Nissan mnie zaskoczył. Bo to, że na tylnym kole nie popchnie całości to byłem pewien, niewielu to potrafi :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Przy tej okazji muszę sprecyzować jedną rzecz - podczas testów Outlandera rolki nie były podgumowane, więc znacznie łatwiej ślizgały się po nawierzchni.

[@ComaPitchBlack]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers To dobry powód by kiedyś przy okazji sprawdzić jeszcze raz Outlandera. Pozdrawiam Ps. Czy każdy następny test będzie na tych podgumowanych rolkach? To podgumowanie to dobry pomysł.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ComaPitchBlack Tylko jedna sesja (kilka aut) odbyła się bez podgumowanych rolek, na wszystkich pozostałych są podgumowane.

[@gabrys187]

To też w dużej mierze kwestia odpowiedniego operowania sprzęgłem ;)

[@ComaPitchBlack]

@@gabrys187 Może i tak. Jednak wydaje mi się, że X zaraz nawet zanim jeszcze spadnie z rolek ładnie wyhamowuje pęd kół. A może mi się tylko tak zdaje ;D

[@АлександрНиколаев-ш7с]

What is the size of the wheels on Mitsubishi?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No information.

[@dalipproj491]

So who passed the test as well as possible ?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There were many cars, it is difficult to point all of them.

[@dalipproj491]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I mean this two cars, Nissan and Mitsubishi !

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@dalipproj491 Nissan was slightly better but there's no big difference.

[@ТоляАнотолий-ц2э]

По-моему все одинаково разве нет?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yes, almost the same result.

[@andreykakitis7025]

Ну все же тут все ясно😊

[@atnbear5109]

this mitsubishi outlander diesel? Need mitsubishi outlander XL v6 S-AWS

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I don't have II, but here is III with S-AWC: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4u3qGSir8SWbLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJWci2V-bNSCZ68 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZKwl6GGmapkZ6M

[@buahlapun75]

AWD?4×4? so your country have 4×4?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Precise your question please.

[@pskinene]

Subaru forester would pass all these tests with lots of ease, b'se it only require one wheel having traction, to push the whole car so easily, thanks to the symmetrical AWD. Sasdly most 4x4 cars can't pass this test.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It depends which Forester. Some of them cannot pass the tests on two rollers. Other ones pass even on three.

[@LEARNandPLAYwithEMILY]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers the one I have is an SHJ 2011 and passed it on three rollers with ease.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@LEARNandPLAYwithEMILY I didn't test it so I don't know. I can only guess on the basis of previous generation tests: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpKxlGCHhcSIirc kzbin.info/www/bejne/npmlfWShgaiBb7s

[@pierrejeanes]

The secret is put it in slow gear and avcelerate slowly

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

What slow gear?

[@pierrejeanes]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I meant low gear

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@pierrejeanes These cars do not have low gear. Besides - it wouldn't help here.

[@maghnaurs2686]

👍

[@vininio]

You never try on four rollers 🤔

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

What would be the purpose?

[@panama-canada]

Both vehicles are shite without mechanical locking. Buy a Pajero or X-TerrA.

[@Serafim8]

Nissan is best

[@4G12]

TLDR: Both are nowhere near real off roaders, don't expect too much, though the Mitsubishi has slightly better TC calibration. Both will benefit heavily from Torsen front and rear differentials, though thankfully nowadays, the auto front to rear torque split calibration seems to be quite good.

[@malandvulamachawe6323]

Outlander

[@vdjv]

Незнаю незнаю, у меня х трейл так долго не думает, может потому что механика у меня,

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

What mechanics?

[@eubikedude]

Pretty poor showings there!

[@lukaszq1187]

Hej duszaniespokojna chciałbym porozmawiać z tobą w sprawie spotkania odpisz niedługo spełni się moje marzenie Quattro pozdrawiam:)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

W sprawie testów proszę o kontakt przez Facebooka. Pozdrawiam.

[@Cringer101]

these are not 4 x 4s they arnt even good AWD in the scheme of things

[@gabrys187]

What is the difference between 4x4, AWD and 4WD?

[@123fourfive5]

@@gabrys187 Just Google it dude

[@reorg]

Better than 2wd, very capable on snow and ice

[@An.Individual]

A Tesla road car does better than these offroad vehicles

[@haroldbeauchamp3770]

It's Only Me and a bicycle would do far better than a Tesla.

[@pity_6095]

Note these arent off-road vehicles and I have seen an 07 crv do better than model 3 dual motor

[@thephantomarse8525]

Im sure you can find somewhere to charge your really good tesla while your out offroading too

[@Drainslime]

Ten X trails t31 for the price of one Tesla doesn't seem better

[@РадионКарпиш]

досить непогано.....

[@jvalentine8376]

The driver was giving more throttle to the Mitsubishi and kind of rocking it out and the tyres were catching the front edge of the roller frame . It seems to me that the x-trail is not even in 4x4 . My x-trail would roll over that without much wheel spin at all in 4x4 lock and in Auto it engages quicker than that . I try sometimes to spin my wheels on a dirt road using full throttle locked in first gear and in auto I get only a second of spin and then all tyres grip and that's with the 2.5 engine . And why are the cars on different rollers ? One is blue and the other red . Very questionable test . Are all the tyres at the same pressure ? Tests conducted like this are not fair to either car .

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Both cars are using exactly the same awd system (mechanically), software is individual. Mitsubishi's TCS system needs more throttle to react. If tyres were catching front edge - it means that car already moved forward. Rollers are the same - they only have been repainted and cut at sides to avoid comments that tyres are catching the frame. Tyres pressure is correct for the cars. And you won't get power to all wheels faster, LOCK modes is locking the axles, not the wheels.

[@jvalentine8376]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers So you say but we don't know that for sure . Any test on a video needs to look fair and this one did not .

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@jvalentine8376 Who is "we"? Check the profile of the channel, check how we do tests - with owners of the cars. If that's not enough - take your X-Trail and come for the test. Everything is fair.

[@jvalentine8376]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers We the viewers . You don't get it do you , It has to look fair ALSO .

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@jvalentine8376 You can speak for yourself, not for the viewers. If anybody has some doubts, I explain it in comments. At the end of the video you can see the basic differences between 2WD, AUTO and LOCK. But you are missing it and saying that car is not even in 4x4. I am showing both sides of the car, I am showing which mode was used, I am showing ESP status, everything is clear so indeed I am probably not getting it.

[@papastratos99]

Man, the X-Trail is rubbish. Ever since Renault took over Nissan went downhill badly.

[@MrMoose-mf1oy]

I know it’s so sad :( it makes me wonder what Nissan would look like if Renault never took over. I really hope they can get back on their feet and go back to their glory days.

[@Ahto42]

I owned the T30 and now own the T31 facelift(2011) X-trail. I must say that the T31 is more comfortable, reliable car. For example, front ball joints- On a T30, you must buy a new control arm. Few years back the cheapest was like 140€ a corner, now noname brand like 100€. On a T31, you just can change the balljoint alone, Quality one like 20€. And the renault 2.0dci engine is a good engine, if taking care of it.

[@papastratos99]

@@Ahto42 Don't get me wrong, when I said it is rubbish I reffered strictly to 4x4 performance. When considering reliability, T31 is actually one of the happy cases in the renault-Nissan alliance with many owners regarding them as being solidly built, also they hold their value decently.

[@thephantomarse8525]

T31 was the last good xtrail its why the new ones t32 are cheaper in the used market no one wants one