What caused Jeju Air plane crash in South Korea? | DW News

World leaders have been sending condolences to South Korea, after the country's deadliest aviation disaster on home soil. 179 passengers and crew aboard the Jeju Air flight were killed when the Boeing 737-800 skidded off the runway at Muan International Airport and burst into flames. Only two crew members survived. Investigators have recovered both flight recorders as they try to piece together what happened.
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[@leokimvideo]

A bird strike on a single engine has never left an aircraft unable to lower the flaps, lower the gear, lower the slats, control the other working engine. The raw videos of this crash show a aircraft not decelerating and the engines roaring at full power. If anything it looks like a failed go around after landing without landing gear. Has all the hallmarks of panic in the cockpit

[@orbitalpotato9940]

It's standard procedure to apply full reverse power when landing. That's why the engines were roaring, it's cause they were in full reverse.

[@TDH8988]

Possible, Or total hydrolic loss.

[@thomasf7772]

I assume the pilots were simply overwhelmed after one engine failed.

[@k53847]

@@orbitalpotato9940 At least one engine (right) had reverse thrusters deployed, its not clear the left engine was deployed. And if you have lost the hydraulic pump on the engine it appears you can't deploy reverse thrust on that engine.

[@PavelKrupets]

Plane can take off with one engine off. To land you can just glide.

[@DavidBrown-yl7hl]

As an airline pilot (currently fly the B767), losing a single engine would never make you lose all hydraulic systems. There is a lot of mystery in what happened here; let’s wait from speculating until the actual facts come out. But a bird strike causing an engine issue would not in and of itself lead to hydraulic failure.

[@Curryking32000]

I've heard the same from ex airline pilots who have posted video's on KZbin. I think this so called expert Stephen Wright is not telling the truth. They also said that modern jet engines are robust enough and designed not to suffer catastrophic damage from a bird strike.

[@krollpeter]

It seems there is no deceleration when they attempted the belly landing. Wouldn't the friction slow the plane down?

[@kenho-wr5ul2rh7m]

that plane is reported to have several hydraulic failure beforehand

[@heythere5817]

​@@Curryking32000I don't think the guy in this video wants to admit that it looks like panic and them human error. Which is much more scary that machine failure. Because that means it could happen to anyone.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

What if there were multiple bird strikes since it went through a flock of birds. Also why would the pilots land in the middle of the runway if they didn’t know their landing gear wasn’t down. It looks like they were being extremely careful on the landing which is why they ran out of runway.

[@alecausderbeek5918]

Never heard of a bird strike blocking landing gears and multiple layers of its emergency deployment

[@afterglow5285]

Its a Boeing.

[@bmw_m4255]

Pilots trying to do a go around in a non flyable plane flying it straight into a wall

[@remi_gio]

Expert talking about birds causing landing gear failure - must have been a first! They touched down way too late to let the friction stop the aircraft.

[@TRJx86]

@@afterglow5285 the 737 has the same redundancy as its main competitor , the A320 . Please dont comment on things you do not know

[@blackhole9961]

@@afterglow5285 Since you obviously know so much about boeing, you should realize theres a way to manually deploy the landing gear.

[@ThePilot_USA]

I fly the B-737 for over 20 years. A bird injested by the engine would probably damage the hydraulic engine-driven pumps on that side, damage the engine and some internal components. We still have the entire electric hydraulic system to operate. Let's say they lost the entire hydraulic fluids; we can operate the Flaps electrically and the landing gear can free fall (no system needs to be in operation). I cannot imagine why those 2 systems were not activated. Let's wait and see the conclusion of the investigations. This could be pilot error.

[@emmaokon3366]

What do you think about the concrete wall being there?

[@bmw_m4255]

Pilot incompetence

[@robmulally]

​@@emmaokon3366it wasn't a wall it was support for avaition equipment, there is another wall further away. If the aircraft had wheels it can use breaks but no flaps no wheels no reverse thrust on engine 1 the wall might have saved more lines in homes nearby but usually planes don't use walls to stop

[@bangrojai]

Somebody in comment section said this plane need 2 minutes to change autopilot to manual. Mayday was 2 minutes before impact. Could the pilot turn off autopilot and change to manual to operate manual landing gear but there was not enough time?

[@ANovelIdea_Literature]

😢😢😮

[@gandapelayo]

They were killed by a solid wall obstruction…if the wall is not there, most passengers will survive.

[@sweechen9762]

The plane came in fast and touched down halfway down the runway. The landing gear could have been deployed by gravity. The plane can fly on one engine. Some things do not add up.

[@grahamclayton6163]

No the wall was not the root cause of the problem… it was merely the last slice of the Swiss Cheese model

[@rayedali2232]

Ever heard of swiss cheese model ?

[@joesephsmith7991]

Reports said the plane burst into flames after crashing into the wall.

[@CrispyOkra]

@@grahamclayton6163 Yes, but the wall did cause the destruction of the aircraft and passengers. Beyond the wall is nothing that would have caused this scale of damage.

[@MrCodename471]

This incident reminds me of PIA 8303 crash. An initial crisis (bird strike in this case) leading to pilots panicking and forgetting to lower landing gear under pressure. Also the landing gear warning may have been overridden by another higher priority alarm such as the GPWS. Of course this is only speculation on my part but the chain of events seems very likely.

[@RevDog777]

this is why AI is needed to warn pilots

[@YuukiKagurazaka246]

What if they lost the landing gear before the bird strike and prompted an emergency belly landing? Which is when the bird struck? If that's the case, then it's truly unfortunate and unlucky..

[@momchilandonov]

@@RevDog777 NO need lol. Just needs a lot of training...

[@antonioc.5778]

​@@YuukiKagurazaka246Nonsense, footage of the first fly around shows they actually had the landing gear deployed, so they had to retract the landing gear (so no hydraulic failure, since they were able to operate it) and somehow forgot to deploy it again for their second attempted landing. This seems like the pilots somehow panicked and turned into incompetent operators under a stressful situation. A failed second fly around seems like the leading theory, the aircraft configuration was all wrong and they landed at 2/3 of the runaway, too late for a belly landing

[@the__source]

That's not what happened. Russia has already admitted to bringing down. Wtf ia happening here?

[@Larsbor]

Why was there a wall? Everyone could have survived if the airplane hadnt run directly into a wall. Did you see it ? ! had the runway had an adequate length for the airplane to stop by itself without the wall the airplane wouldnt have exploded…

[@bmw_m4255]

Maybe if the pilots didnt fly the aircraft into the wall the wall wouldnt be a problem

[@Joe-yh7eb]

@@bmw_m4255 That’s idiotic. Norway just had a similar incident but there was no solid wall at the end. Everyone in that one survived.

[@cruzmedina3478]

@@Joe-yh7eb No it really isn't. They ate up 2/3 of the runway before touching down with no flaps and no gear. Maybe it was their only option, but the point is, nothing was stopping that aircraft. If it wasn't that wall, it was going to be another, and another.

[@jmas1219]

If you actually listened to the video you would know that the plane DIDN'T hit a wall - it hit a concrete structure that housed some of the landing guidance systems.

[@Ismailajagne_10]

@@bmw_m4255 maybe if the pilots had the landing gear down they would’ve able to control it

[@suphawuthkanjanamahasub15]

We pray for and We offer our deep condolences to South Korea from Thailand

[@PresidentShinra-z7d]

This is a prime example of misaligned priorities. Airport management should’ve addressed the issue with the concrete barriers long before it led to the tragic loss of 179 lives. Focus on what truly matters.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

The plans are already in to extended the runway and runoff area and remove that dangerous structure. It was due to start next year. Too late.

[@albertB215]

But politicians had to make this airport thats has no demand nor meets international safety standards for votes😢

[@Lalaland2045-n3f]

@@PresidentShinra-z7d The plane landed on its second attempt halfway down the runway in an opposite direction because it didn’t have power to go around and come in from the proper side. That’s why it’s called an emergency.

[@TheMystikal82]

If your looking to blame someone, you should turn to Boeing. More then 100 incidents with their Planes just this year. Focus on what trully matters.

[@MrModikoe]

​lol but the wall...

[@you463]

First off, bird strike or not, the pilots should have flown a "normal" single engine approach to the longest runway into the wind, period. They did not do this. After an engine failure, the pilots should declare an emergency, and run the Non-Normal checklist for an engine failure, and then set up the approach, and then fly a single engine approach. Generally speaking, bird strikes do not actually cause a complete engine failure, you simply run the engine at a reduced power setting. Also, engine failure (if there was one), would have nothing to do with landing the jet with the gear up, no flaps, and no speed brakes. There are alternate extension methods for all of these systems in case of hydraulic failure. So, it looks to me like a "rush job" by inexperienced pilots, who, when confronted with an engine abnormal completely screwed every single thing up. The speed brakes did not come up on the wing after touchdown because the conditions for auto speed brake extension were not met. Gear has to be down, speed brake lever must be armed, and proximity switches on the landing gear must be closed (as in touchdown). The main wheels must has some spin up as well to gain speed brake deployment. Even at that, the Captain could have manually moved the speed brake lever aft to activate the speed brakes - something he did not do. NO reason for the flaps not to be extended, since there is an alternate extension method for the flaps, as is for the landing gear. As far as the reverse thrust activation, the reverse levers may have been pulled up and back to activate, however since the cowling must translate from closed to open, it appears that at least on the right engine, some of that translation took place, however since the weight of the aircraft was on the engine cowling, it could not translate to full reverse (3,000psi hydraulic system). The left engine cowling does not appear to be in the reverse position. SO, it's way too early to make judgements, HOWEVER the explosive crash was NOT caused by the dirt and cement wall at the end of the runway, it was caused by the pilots who made multiple incorrect decisions before the aircraft even started the approach phase of flight. The size of the fireball is proof that there was plenty of fuel on board as to allow the pilots to take their time, deal with the abnormal, prepare the cabin, and fly a "normal" single engine approach to a successful landing as the outcome. Certainly is a tragic event, and again, way too early to tell, but certain things are obvious, and the skill of the pilots (or lack thereof) should be carefully reviewed.

[@bmw_m4255]

Yes, except the thrust reverse won't actuate unless they have weight on wheels which they don't with the gear up

[@freshnewcungadero]

Oh my god. You’re a genius. It really does feel like they somehow managed to fail at every single possible thing in an otherwise salvageable situation. What I don’t get is how they, LITERALLY managed to screw up back to back, one mistake after the other, so COMPLETE in its wrongness. It’s kinda scary how each mistake, on its own, would have been perfectly fixable, but instead chained itself together with the next mess up. You seem rather knowledgeable on airplanes tho. Can you tell me this, what caused the panic in the first place? Is it true that a bird flew into one of the engines?

[@MG-ot2yr]

Pilot did declare a mayday 2 minutes before executing the landing and subsequent crash, does seem like panic from inexperience, they went straight in.

[@KOFAKEDEM]

I heard from some retired pilots on YT that it's inconceivable that all three landing gears were not deployed had they manually released them. Is that true? That's to say, once the three levers were pulled, there was nothing to prevent the gears from falling into place. And assuming that one engine was still operating, it's conceivable that the plane could have been flown to a bigger airport.

[@rsthebestbandever]

The aviation experts and other authorities hopefully will be able to answer just how this accident happened but I don't believe it's going to be blamed on the pilots. Just my opinion but it's way too early in the investigation to say that's the reason the plane crashed.

[@ApolloFreya]

Condolences from Ireland R.I.P

[@rgwilliams01]

Why was there a hard barrier at the end of the runway and not a gravel run-out?

[@ezragonzalez8936]

unstable approach they landed less than 3 minutes after declaring emergency checklist was not completed total pilot error here!

[@randym7961]

Really, right engine blows up hit the fuselage obviously taking out the Hydraulics as they had no landing gear or flaps etc , they have to abort their first landing and instead of going around the pilots turn and try to land in the opposite direction and can't get it down until over halfway down the runway. Sounds like they had a real emergency and a plane that wasn't going to keep flying ! Checklist lmao really!!!! Now you can say you didn't know all that yet I did before I commented so you have no excuse

[@bmw_m4255]

Looks like a botched go around attempt

[@ezragonzalez8936]

@@bmw_m4255 It has been confirmed it was indeed a bird strike there is footage showing the strike but the tragedy was a classic unstable approach less than 3 minutes elapse between declaring emergency and the failed landing not nearly enough time to go over checklist? unless there was some catastrophic loss of total control its looking more and more like PIlot error!!! 😒

[@bmw_m4255]

​@ezragonzalez8936 that's what I'm saying. The bird strike obviously cause damage, but here it appears they are attempting to take off again after bellying the aircraft in. I think the pilots screwed the pooch

[@realnapster1522]

They must have had an urgency to land

[@99dynasty]

Bird strike caused Pilots to panic. They had a failed landing attempt ( with the gear down ) went around ( other problems may have occurred ) and then they forgot to deploy the landing gear on the second attempt.

[@timogronroos4642]

One explanation could be the missing landing gear came as a surprise, and the pilot tried to climb again with full power for some time.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Correct

[@taopaille-paille4992]

No he must notice that the landing gears are not deployed with the unusual vibrations

[@Warish..]

​​@@taopaille-paille4992 Modern planes have features that when landing gear does not open the key or handle ( whatever that is called ) does not on and sticks to off Edited::: english is not my first language Sorry

[@Love2Cruise]

Eh no. Thrust reversers were open.

[@laurencecorper1510]

You saw that too? Nose up, Full throttle..... pilot tried to get it back in the air

[@TheAlastairBrown]

Regular concrete walls would just get busted out the way, they might even help slow the aircraft. This incident isn't about a regular wall, there was a giant reinforced concrete earth mound built to hold up the little radar towers that help the plane know where it is. Normally, planes can bust through them like skittles, there's no need to make it into a solid object. This was more like flying into a mountain than it was a fence.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Its an old military structure hidden by dirt and moss. Stupidity.

[@davehall8584]

What killed them was the stupidity of building a concrete structure for the ILS localiser antennae just 200m off the runway end.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

which is against ICAO standards btw.

[@bmw_m4255]

Korea doesn't follow icao

[@user-xp9hu8sg9o]

Hold on expert. The wall is that last thing in a chain of errors. Did you see at what point landed on the RWY, speed, why the landing gear didn't deploy? Answer those questions first, then ask about the wall

[@RevDog777]

@@bmw_m4255 and that’s bad

[@DavidLHadley]

A birdstrike could’ve been a contributing factor, but it did not cause the accident.

[@laurencecorper1510]

An accident implies that no one is to blame

[@MichaelCampbell01]

Another pilot youtube pointed out this ILS localizer wall construction, which was way more "robust" than it needed to be for just holding up the equipment, so while what this guy says is true, there's the question of why was it so incredibly beefy compared to other airports, directly in line for any aircraft that overruns the landing area?

[@randym7961]

well if they had just over run the runway they would have gone into a open field. but they were going the opposite direction towards the beginning of the runway where there is equipment for low visibility lands and just beyond that a busy road !

[@Venomhide]

@@randym7961and also shared by the military, according to Stephen Wright, which might explain the extra beefiness.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

@@randym7961 there is no wrong end of the runway. Runways can be used in both directions.

[@SuperRede4u]

​@@orbitalpotato9940Correct. Depending on the direction of the wind.

[@randym7961]

@@orbitalpotato9940 True but they were going towards what is considered the beginning IE where the equipment they hit is located . It is there to help planes land in bad conditions ,, there was that equipment and berm and then a heavily traveled road ! Sucks but without that in their way they would have been into a busy road still exploded but killing many many more people !

[@freedombro]

I think the more important question is why was there a brick wall at the end of a run way.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

An old military blast wall, hidden by dirt and moss now. It is not supporting the antennae, it is way over engineered for that purpose. The antennae doesn't need 1m reinforced high concrete.

[@drgta6]

And is this a common design at every airport in South Korea.

[@PushingYourLimit-]

So many walls in South Korea, poorlu designed

[@peteminers236]

More important than that is, why don't you watch the video before commenting

[@melisentiapheiffer3034]

@@freedombro how many planes have slammed into that wall at the end of a very long runway?

[@Natengall]

Jesus Christ that airport sounds poorly designed. Bird habitats nearby and concrete walls at the end of runways??? Yikes.

[@leokimvideo]

as explained in the video it's shared by the military so it needs brick walls to keep riff raff out

[@stevenmarler5154]

@@leokimvideo There is a perimeter wall, that is to keep people out. The plane though ran into a wall at the end of the runway, that was not part of the perimeter wall. I think the wall that was run into has to do with helping planes land in low visibility.

[@wolcek]

@@leokimvideo that was not the perimeter wall.

[@bmw_m4255]

It's korea. They build things strangely

[@davidpark2509]

this was boeing issue

[@WestOfEarth]

Appreciate the excellent overview of a complex, heartbreaking event. I can't imagine how the two survivors feel (as of latest reports).

[@dijana4521]

Sincere condolences to the families of the victims and to South Korea.

[@Muthonie]

It’s the wall that they crushed into that caused the damage. Hold the airport accountable not the pilot. He had already landed safely enough for everyone to be okay however the wall obstructed them

[@alphagator3373]

The more important question is: Why is there a solid concrete wall at the end of an emergency runway and still x kilometers free behind that? That makes no sense at all

[@mariushusejacobsen3221]

That was not a wall, that was a support for Instrument Landing System antennas. Those antennas have to be in line with the runway.

[@garrymullins]

@@mariushusejacobsen3221 Yep, in line with the runway, and also elevated in many cases. Which is the reason for the elevated structure, which is an earthen berm, likely also containing concrete to act as a foundation for the antennas.

[@yougoof]

Because that is the front of the runway, your supposed to land in the direction of the arrows. The structure helps to show pilots the touchdown zone. It's not safe to land a plane 2/3 down the runway backwards.

[@alphagator3373]

@@yougoof But this is a 2007 build airport and it is not normal to build those huge concrete walls. Its a bad design

[@yougoof]

@alphagator3373 I agree, very dumb design. It's location is surrounded by migratory birds and is shared with the military. The original antennas were damaged by storms and replaced many times before going with reinforcement. The airport is currently under construction to lengthen this runway.

[@hal90001]

Why was a concrete wall there???

[@thelivewitness1632]

Love the way he explained how things may have happened. Extremely tragic!!!

[@kateS72]

According to other witnesses and experts who viewed these, They had landing gears down for the first attempt. They brought the gears up for a ‘go-around’; And because the plane made a manoeuver shortcut to land instead of finishing this go-around fully, it suggests that there might have been an increase in distress such as further loss of power hence loss of hydraulics (when the pilot sent his Mayday) and there may not have been time anymore at this point to manually lower the gear.

[@SuperRede4u]

Cascading failures? Time will tell. Regardless nothing will bring back the loved ones but hopefully there will be lessons learned from whatever transpired that day that ended in catastrophe.

[@kitcole4927]

I thought that with loss of power , gravity would be used to lower the undercarriage !

[@shinji1264]

@@SuperRede4u Cascading failures...? More like Final destination, if all those sequence of events happened while a brick wall is at the end of the runway.

[@patfisher22]

Saw a video, looks like it takes one minute to extend gear. Perhaps the 7 minutes they were doing everything else to avoid an accident.

[@CheqLights]

RIP all the many lives lost. Still many unanswered questions, I hope the investigation will bring some answers

[@gregweigel8115]

What keeps getting missed in a lot of these interviews Is the first attempted landing had the gear down!

[@Ricky-yf1ru]

Really? Source?

[@joshuamiller916]

Never saw a single report that said that. This was there 1st and only attempt at landing an no the gear was not down

[@hindinyoakomaloloko]

RIP to all who died 😢

[@ge2623]

A 6" piece of metal took down a Concorde. Let the investigators do their job people/aviation experts on You Tube.

[@davidferguson6525]

Grief! Grief! What a crash! A skid is a very dangerous thing. My condolences to the families and South Korea

[@basco0717]

It looks like a pilot error, a rookie pilot in control and forgot to activate the landing gears.

[@markusm.4556]

Forgot to set the flaps and slats as well? Ignored the ground warning alert? Very unlikely.

[@applepie58]

Drunk pilots ? . During this time of the year, most people party hard and if car drivers crash., imagine.a pilot drinking and not sleeping well before flying a plane next day it.can be fatal too

[@gregshiller7179]

Boeing PR working well

[@gregshiller7179]

737-800

[@betteryoucan8939]

This trash machine delayed for taking off more than an hour, the pilot's already known his problem. But he's no choice to take this trash machine home.

[@internationalregionalnewsviews]

R.i.p to all victims and their families

[@watb8689]

boeing parts, software, avionics have long been subcon to india. The 737 series have alot of issues since then. This plane had the parts made in india. Back in october a senior official said that as an “interim measure”, it will ask Indian operators to notify their crew that rudder control system might get jammed inflight or during landing due to moisture that could accumulate and freeze in the actuator. Updates, another plane also boeing 737-800 also experience the same landing gear issue the next day at the same airport

[@mynameisearl1777]

You don't know what you're talking about. This is not the time for another you tube aviation expert.

[@orangebeetle1999]

Why was there a WALL at the end of the runway, is the question? This was totally survivable.

[@zxding]

It is clear that the pilot was not well trained for emergency

[@robertjensen1048]

He wasn’t “wall” trained.

[@akaoveve]

A wall at the end of the runway... Genius!

[@classicmusic5656]

its the end of the runway genius. the aircraft is not supposed to be there. Are you suggesting the aircraft should plough into the neighborhood buildings?

[@PushingYourLimit-]

​@@classicmusic5656its the wall

[@akaoveve]

@classicmusic5656 there were no neighbours! It is an airport near the sea.

[@PushingYourLimit-]

@@classicmusic5656 no wall no explode

[@yayie2235]

Pilot panicked.

[@kjk4795]

Yes, smoke in cabin

[@randym7961]

Really they panicked ! I am sure they were chiting themselves as they hit a flock of birds (go look at the video) that blew up the right engine and they obviously lost Hydraulics and other systems as no gear or Flaps to show down with . They aborted the first landing and instead of going around were in suck dire straights they turned and tried landing the opposite direction IE what they hit was at the beginning of the runway not the end!

[@_hob_]

​@@randym7961The trust reverser on the right engine during the slide suggests that hydraulics were working.

[@s.esamawi8193]

@@randym7961all runways in the world in major airports work in both directions, so there is nothing called opposite direction.

[@randym7961]

@@_hob_ Go watch the Bird strike video that engine is Toast it blew up doing untold damage to the aircraft . Why can't people do a little research

[@akaoveve]

Imagine the relief and joy on the plane when the pilot landed safely... Only for it to end in tragedy because of the wall at the end of the runway. Such a heartbreaking outcome.

[@FUL0H8]

What about pneumatic emergency gear blow down?

[@randym7961]

they turned and tried to land in the wrong direction and from what you can see they didn't have time or the control needed to try, it requires they do turns and altitude changes and they had what looks like serious damage to flight controls !

[@YourTroll-d5o]

Ah yes PEGBD.

[@bmw_m4255]

​@randym7961 i can't make out the flight controls in the video. What damage do you see

[@quasimodo8215]

It's not pneumatic, pure gravity / weight of the landing gear.

[@randym7961]

@@bmw_m4255 No spoilers or flaps and the big one no landing gear. they seem to not have time or the ability to maneuver to get it down and they put the plane down over halfway down going the wrong way. they didn't over run the end of the runway but the beginning !!!

[@Ian-yc6ly]

In the accident video, the plane's fuselage landing appeared quite stable. However, the barricades in front of the short runway and unpaved road appeared fatal.

[@jimbobeire]

That's not a short runway, they just flew about halfway down the runway before touching the ground.

[@boyasia5874]

Even with the landing gear down, none can't stop a plane on high speed barrelling on the runaway for a take off.

[@alexmarchettispag]

if the engine is at a low or idle, then a single bird strike can be devastating.

[@forzaazzurri1471]

The plane can fly with just one engine.

[@MidlandsAviation]

@@alexmarchettispag Still able to fly safely on one

[@alexmarchettispag]

@@MidlandsAviation oh yes. could be cockpit problem overload

[@joaoguimaraes2411]

Surreal. Yes, let's wait for the investigation to be completed. The only thing I can imagine right now is the pilots going around after the bird strike, turning off the wrong engine, losing all electrics and hydraulics and having to quickly turn back and land without time (or forgetting) to even lower the landing gear.

[@chicketychina8447]

I'm a commercial pilot. Both of these two actors are clueless. There's are hundreds of bird strikes everyday.. In my opinion the crew has panicked. Should've climbed on 1 engine and sorted out everything that need sorting out before attempting to land.. Especially deploying the landing gear .. No gear no breaks. No gear.... possibly no reverse thrusts.... In a situation like this..... speed is digging your grave. Speed and fuel on board.

[@MichaelZadrowski]

Why were the flaps not extended?

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

We don't know why yet. They didn't just 'forget". Something else must have gone wrong.

[@mandibarcena6667]

Flaps and landing gear not deployed properly, why?

[@mikecoulson3575]

Hydrolic issue due to whatever caused the emergency? Gear can drop manually but I would think the nature of the emergency could have limited time. I don't think flaps can deploy without hydrolics though.

[@ivancarpincho]

A bird strike doesn't cause problems like no landing gear, no flaps or slats down, and landing in the middle of the runaway... That's hydraulics.

[@732daven]

yes, agreed, besides we cannot be 100% in control of birds despite falcons, guns and other tricks (sound of bird of prey)....

[@MikaelLevoniemi]

Bird strikes can explode an engine which then destroys both hydraulic systems resulting in uncontrollable aircraft.

[@MidlandsAviation]

@@MikaelLevoniemi You still can lower landing gear with zero hydraulics under the legs weight and pull cable (emergency use)

[@rawux1228]

there is 2 or 3 independent hydraulic systems as well witch does the same thing

[@applepie58]

Why cannot say the cause could be mechanical failure. Keep blaming poor birds. Also, technicians check out planes before take off. They could.see birds inside

[@Ro77cky]

Don’t know the reason why they touched down the end of runway. Belly landing is normal but has to touchdown at the beginning of a runway making use of most landing length available. Had they landed at the beginning , there would be ample runway left for deceleration and stopped much before the ‘wall’

[@TheComengSset]

This airport has a pretty poor design. A dirt mound followed by a concrete wall

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

There is 1m reinforced concrete hidden in that "dirt mound". Terrible.

[@AD25076]

Even if the landing gear was deployed there's no effing way they'd be able to decelerate in time to make a turn to avoid that concrete wall on the middle of the runway. Nobody's talking about almost as if they were told not to

[@renorailfanning5465]

Actually, the brakes are pretty robust on commercial aircraft. I bet it would've slowed the plane down around 80 -100 mph and then when the landing gear hit the soft grass, the plane might have even stopped in time.

[@24hstoned85]

4 planes in 2 days with the same problem is this really coincidence?

[@794760]

Question for pilots: if you had known there was a concrete wall at the end of the runway, what would you have done differently?

[@willeonfly]

Normally will Cauculate landing distance carefully before doing the approach.make sure there will be enough stop distance when landing.

[@oneone9884]

The question not being asked is why was that reinforced concrete barricade needed just to hold some antenna.

[@HoomanPlays]

Bruh it's like 450 feet away from the end of the runway and directly after that wall is another concrete wall that goes around the entire airport. I don't think the extra 50 feet was going to help.

[@oneone9884]

@ the following is block and would have not done the kind of damage that reinforced concrete did. There is no reason for those kind of a structure to be there.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Its ex military, instead of moving it they just hid it under dirt. Koreans do not follow international safety standards.

[@northstar1522]

If it is Boeing I am not going

[@multatuli1]

Boeing previous CEO not in jail yet?

[@duncanstewart6381]

Reports show a video of the birdstrike, the right engine failed and was on fire. The second attempted landing was done wheels up. The design of this airport was flawed with a solid wall that caused the explosion and fatalities as it hit at speed. AFFF Aqueous Film Forming Foam can reduce sparks and fuel igntion which occurred when the nose hit the wall at speed and fell apart.

[@gesilsampaioamarantesegund6692]

There are many theories about why the belly landing and such. The botton line seems to be that it is not possible to land without the gear in that airport, due to the wall. And that was demonstrated by the worst way possible.

[@deedeemccall7693]

Condolences from South africa

[@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel]

I think they lost the second engine at the worst possible time and weren't able to recover from it.

[@jaywhoisit4863]

The pilot landed without flaps and without gear! He also landed extremely fast and halfway down the runway! Something serious happened with his hydraulic system at the last minute. He didn’t even have time to gravity drop his gear. Whatever this was it was fast and violent. This pilot put his bird down fast and hard, deployed full reversers, and started praying.

[@bmw_m4255]

He didn't have time to pull the thrust back either.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

My guy, the landing gear should have been extended long before the pilot attempted a landing.

[@bmw_m4255]

​@@orbitalpotato9940 they tried to do a go around and fly into a wall obviously. Pilot error

[@jimbobeire]

@@orbitalpotato9940 But he pulled it back up when he aborted the first approach. For some reason he opted for a tear drop turn instead of circling to land again in the same direction.

[@jaywhoisit4863]

@ that’s what makes it so strange!

[@nakk37]

Probably shut down the wrong engine and lost power... Pilot error must be a factor but that wall. If there werent that wall more life were saved

[@nickinportland]

Excellent expert he corrected every bit of nonsense that’s been in the media that guy was asking about.

[@saldido7315]

Why was a solid concrete structure at the end of the runway? Even without the landing gear, the pilot landed the plane steadily but as soon as the plane hit the concrete structure, the plane exploded.

[@marcinband]

Foaming runways in not considered an effective strategy, and is no longer standard proceedure. This is a holdover from earlier times which no longer applies to modern aviation.

[@jimbobeire]

Also, takes time... which they didn't have because he didn't circle, he made a u turn and landed in the opposite direction to which he initially approached.

[@MidlandsAviation]

@@marcinband The wall at the end is lethal

[@marcinband]

@@MidlandsAviation What does that have to do with foam?

[@marcinband]

@@jimbobeire Nor would it have affected the outcome in any way, what so ever

[@MidlandsAviation]

@@marcinband As foam or no foam they would have still hit the wall. This crash doesn't add up at all all seems very rushed and panicked

[@mistervo8185]

The better question to ask is "what make that plane crash so fatal?"

[@JimboJimbo-i4i]

A 10 meter cinderblock mate

[@harrynamkoong3361]

"what make that plane crash so fatal?" Physics. When you go from 280km/h to 0 in short distance, it will kill many/most. Plus,, the fire that erupted probably didn't help either.

[@mcg1383]

speed + impact

[@joaoguimaraes2411]

Hitting a massive structure at a very high speed.

[@DutchSkeptic]

The real question is: why was there a bloody concrete WALL at the runway's end?!

[@iamjackscompletelackofsurp9606]

No the real question is... Why was there a SOLID wall at the end of the runway?

[@kz9620]

True

[@iainmackenzieUK]

isnt it obvious? do not put brick buildings at the end of a runway??? How can we be having accidents like this these days? after so much research and safety requirements???

[@rttyplgkdde]

Total BS from these "experts" ! A bird strike never blocked a planes's landing gear from deploying...

[@rinj6020]

I genuinely hope the global awareness of the horrid structure of the airport that caused the catastrophic accident brings the global awareness to South Korea’s opposition party’s sickening populism who forcibly launched the airport which in fact shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place with geographical and environmental reasons in order to gain their votes from the region for their election. This airport has been controversial for years within South Korea, nevertheless, the opposition party forced it to be operational by pouring tons of taxes covering the highest debt of all airports in South Korea because this is located in the region that supports opposition party(like California supporting Democratics). Every expert in South Korea voiced that this airport is not qualified to be built considering the location and many different factors, however, Democratic party of South Korea wanted this airport to be built no matter what for their votes. This is absolutely criminal and anyone who involved in this populist project should be jailed for their awful actions. Opposition party forced this tiny airport that is even barely qualified for domestic flights to be an International AirPort. The size, traffic and population of the airport with its location is absolutely not qualified to be run as an international airport with big aircrafts. I am urging people who read this comment to be aware that this is not just a mere unfortunate accident. This is an accident that could have been prevented if the opposition party of South Korea listened to the expertises in the first place. This is an expected accident caused by populism of opposition party of South Korea. At the moment, the relevant party involved in this case dares to put the blame on the airline in order to save their face and get rid of the possible blame towards them. This is absolutely not acceptable. The opposition party should take full accountability for their populist project and go to jail.

[@absolutetruthgirl]

Good analysis. Without trying to be patronizing it's seems typical for S.Korea.

[@pinoypedro2052]

The flaps failed also?

[@joaohenriquepace126]

Before the wall must be built a sand bed like it's made in racing tracks

[@moonbeam2062]

Another possible theory. One of the engines stopped operating after the bird strike, so with just one other engine working, the pilot had to fly at a faster speed just to stay in the air and keep that big heavy plane from falling out of the sky. Modern jet airliners have a feature that when flying above a certain speed, the Hydraulics used to lower the landing gear are automatically turned off so that the landing gear cannot be lowered during mid flight at high speeds. So, when that plane landed it was having to fly so fast with only one engine to keep from dropping too steeply from the air that the hydraulics were still disabled preventing the landing gear from being lowered. If the pilot had tried to slow the speed with only one engine flying that heavy of a plane in order to try and lower the landing gear, it would have dropped way too fast to even get the gear down in time before it touched down on the runway. In which case they had to resort to trying to belly land at a higher landing speed than normal in order to maintain a gradual descent.

[@pointblank0020]

That sounds plausible but also such a major oversight in the plane's design that it becomes hard to believe

[@tylerduchesneau]

Stop blaming the birds and plane. It was completely pilot error. Don’t need to be an investigator to figure that out.

[@TheRetiredrummer]

Even a belly landing late on a runway would had survivors if there is no hard edge at the end of the runway.

[@paulschneeman1476]

Just like most incidents, there were a few things which all contributed to total A/C destruction. Missed seeing wall on first fly over, landed late after turning around and who knows what else. Some speculate someone in cockpit may of shut down the one working engine ? Then there is airport not acting last year to remove barrier and extend runway from 2800M to 3400M.

[@zhangmw4931]

Why ??? It is a Boeing max 787 folks. Many issues not ratified

[@mel0214]

I didn't know Boeing build a 787 max 😂 please stop. It's embarrassing

[@datianlongan5567]

What is the pilot suppose to do with a "bird warning"? Look for the flock and steer the plan around at 150MPH?

[@bingbong4848]

So what, don't warn them? If they know it's likely they can plan ahead about their actions. Forewarned is forearmed. Same reason you check the weather report before going hiking.

[@unoqueviaja]

Those who had the idea of ​​putting a concrete wall next to the end of a runway did not have any common sense. # Aquellos que tuvieron la idea de poner un muro de hormigón junto al final de una pista de aterrizaje, no tuvieron ningún sentido común.

[@pakizeqasmova618]

My condolences to the people who affected by this crash. A few days ago same tragedy happened to my country, Azerbaijan as well. Firstly they said "bird strike" which it was not. Same here, I don't think that bird strike happened to Korean jet as well. Bird can't cause such a big problem. I am not aviation expert but idea of bird strike Is for misleading

[@badbadrobotrobot959]

This isn't Russia. There are already many evidences pointing to a bird strike, including a passenger sending a message that there was a bird strike. The pilots could have made mistakes under pressure, there could have been smoke in the cabin etc, who knows. Stop assuming conspiracies until it's proven.

[@relaxingwaves361]

Don't blame the birds. There's evidence that you could still safely land the plane with bird strikes. What killed them was that poor run way design with the wall in the end

[@Felipe-n3j]

Ask Boeing…no one else.

[@vinsanityforlife]

Ask yourself also.

[@yixnorb5971]

who builds a brick wall or a concrete struchture so close to the runway?

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Its older than the runway. Ex military blastwall, reinforced concrete 1m thick. Instead of moving it, they covered it in dirt. Lazy and deadly.

[@ghassan111]

Crash happened because of the wall. It’s so strange that most or all videos talk about bird and landing gear It’s the wall

[@jimbobeire]

No, the destruction of the airframe and explosion happened because they hit the wall at high speed, but the crash was already an ongoing event when they slammed the plane down with no gear, about halfway down the runway with no flaps. They had 2.8km of runway, and that should be more than enough to stop, but they probably had about 1km of runway left when the engine nacelles and fuselage started scraping the concrete. The wall being there was just the last bad factor in a list of 'things that went wrong' for this flight.

[@Chris-bg8mk]

No. Crash happened bc birds into one engine, pilots panic.

[@PushingYourLimit-]

It's the wall

[@melisentiapheiffer3034]

​@@PushingYourLimit- The cause of the crash was not as a result of the wall. 😂

[@PushingYourLimit-]

@@melisentiapheiffer3034 nope, wall is the caused of explosion

[@thedavemanride]

two questions needs to be answered 1) why was landing gear not down during landing 2) why was the hard concrete wall at the end of the runway instead of barrier safety net.

[@craig7350]

Some incident caused the pilot to panic to land the plane, and forgot to lower gear. Looks like.

[@paulschneeman1476]

Aviation expert commented Pilot may have accidentally shut off one working engine after bird strike by mistake. Lost hydraulic operating pressure and came in hot, no flaps no gear and of course no engines to help slow plane. There are emergency gravity release levers in floor of cockpit but in the panic did not have the where with all to deploy gear or, perhaps pilot thought landing without gear would be okay not knowing about physical barrier at end of runway.

[@TheCrazy55555]

Whatever may be the cause of this technical problem we never know but why didn't the pilot not anticipate this danger knowing the landing gear was not functioning and that there is no way to stop the plane unless it hit somewhere..he should have calculated the distance it might take for a safe belly landing...

[@nuvreu]

Even if the landing gear was down, the wall was not

[@tupolevi]

Not only just the L.gear problem, the pilots seen to skip all the safety check procedures and landed the plane hastily without adhering to the standard SOP e.g. the flaps & spoilers not activated. Look like there was a whole bundle of problems that prevent the pilots to execute any proper action.

[@PushingYourLimit-]

Its the wall apparently ​@@tupolevi

[@Dimas-vx5ri]

It was a Boeing. Landing gear being not engaged is not caused by bird strike.

[@veronicagomezdeemiliani4481]

"You have problems with wildlife." It's the other way round: wildlife has the most dreadful problems with us, humans.

[@OC3707]

What a silly thing to say. Even if we aren't more important than the animals (we are), then we are least just as important. We too are part of the ecosystem.

[@jimfarmersr4082]

Why was there a wall at the end of the run way. It wouldn't have exploded if the wall wasn't there

[@Andriuska28]

The question is why this urgent and unpredictable problem still exists, putting people's lives at risk.

[@mcg1383]

I think and as explained, the aircraft came back but in opposite direction, therefore, we cannot disregard here the Pilot‘s decision

[@randym7961]

What problem flying or birds?? a flock of birds blew up their right engine doing catastrophic damage to flight controls and landing gear ! Why else would they try a belly landing going the wrong way down the runway

[@jdotsalter910]

​@@randym7961because they are bad pilots. Remember Asiana at SFO.

[@randym7961]

@@jdotsalter910 LMAo and you knew they were bad pilots and still let them fly !! My god you are to blame then !! Sorry but you don't know anything and make a statement like that

[@jdotsalter910]

@randym7961 I didn't allow them to fly. But I did follow the Asiana investigation. Perhaps you should read it too. I know enough to understand that bad decisions were made by the pilots after the bird ingestion. Tell you what, when the accident investigation is released, if I'm wrong I will apologize to you here. If you are wrong you do the same. What do you say?

[@22jeepmojave75]

Where’s the emergency runaway ramps.

[@kateS72]

Small birds donnot damage engines. Large birds do.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Its surrounded by lakes full of big bird breeding areas. Worst in asia for birds.

[@amateurgamer149]

Because when it is a Boeing 737, everything can happen.

[@ej_imperial]

Experts Keeps blaming the birds, fogs, missiles, brick walls verdus human incompetence & greeds. Is he a real expert.

[@victorialawhon2251]

Greeds?

[@naimo948]

There should be net in front of engines to stop bird strikes. Pilots should be trained to choose a longer flat land for belly landing, such as the sea side wetland nearby.

[@nobs997]

Out of curiosity, is bird a new euphemism for Putin?🤔

[@dementsprechend1542]

Bad airport design plus Boeing combined to cause this horrible event.