Historian Anne Applebaum on how Russia's war in Ukraine will end | DW Interview

[@johnward8064]

What a smart articulate woman. And the interviewer knows her stuff.

[@gerryjames9720]

Anne Applebaum. A name to remember. A voice to hear.

[@eresanto]

"The war will end when Russia changes".. sounds like neverending story then.

[@senianns9522]

A change from within! The old guard Russians are gradually fading away! The answer lies with the younger Russians !

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

One day Putin will die. In 6 years there will be another election. I think there's a go chance the Russian people will have realised what a terrible idea the war was by then. Putin might not be able to cheat enough to win that time. Or maybe opposition could become strong enough for something to happen before then. But the threshold for Putin to lose power in an irregular way would be much higher than the threshold for people to work to rule and allow a fairer election that he could lose. If more countries especially China and India turn their backs on Russia, and if the need to Russian oil and gas can be reduced through a combination of reducing demand via the energy transition and other countries to increase production, then things could get much harder for Russia economically. That might Russians the message.

[@erikswanson5753]

This seems to be the only way Russia ever changes is after defeat in war.

[@neptunefog6082]

The wars will not end then, because USA with their 800 military bases and hungry appetites will still exist unchanged

[@oliverwtell]

@@senianns9522 LOL !!!!!!!! The huge majority of young Russsians has cut themselves off from any communucation to foreign states other than China or North Korea. Their only source of information is russian mass media. Russian mass media is under full and strict control of the Russian governement. And the Russian governement has been purged. It was replaced by FIS agents during Putin's first regime. Communism was a dark period in Russia, no doubt. But when scientists examine the flow of information through the iron curtain at the time of communism and compare it to the flow of information from nowadays to the world, they name communism the age of light !!!!! This generation of Russians also had the chance to vote someone else than Putin when he was elected the first time. The necessary effort to do so was minimal: A pencil stroke. Nearly no one of this generation took the chance. If you really think that the younger Russians are a hope for their country, than there is no hope.

[@aiai-j7i]

“When people show you who they are, believe them the first time" -Maya Angelou

[@mkodyglobalsouthsoldier]

Who was she discussing ?

[@dpeasehead]

@@user-sj9mj3bf2m Oppressing a group of people for hundreds of years on several continents certainly shows the oppressors as they truly are no matter what their rhetoric says about them or their intentions or about their alleged values.

[@marijanstankovic8036]

Hahaha!

[@TheHeinrichSymposium]

What? Like the Israelis?

[@JorgeLopez-ps7ng]

​@@dpeaseheadExcellent!!

[@rodneyshackelford7529]

Russia will never admit that the war was a mistake.

[@moped975]

Nicht, solange es existiert - und das ist nicht mehr lange hin.

[@OrangoTrumpotan]

Of course not. If Putin and his people went out and said the war is a mistake. Would they be removed by the Russian population. Putin is a huge coward and afraid for his life and his mention in the history books. He is already in the dictionaries. Look up under coward or anxiety and it will say Putin..

[@KaiHouston-m6j]

They would have to sober up first! Never going to happen!..?

[@leeanderironside1898]

That is because it wasn’t !

[@OrangoTrumpotan]

@@leeanderironside1898 Hey Putin. Still awake? Are you afraid that they will come after you. Then you stay up all night trying to justify your failed decisions. But you could try saying the same sentence 10 times. The sentence reads Slava Ukraine, Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦. Remember 10 times 👍

[@Harrzack]

The war is such an insane waste of life & money. 🤦‍♀️🥶

[@JRS-iq9pz]

Tell that to Putin.

[@Blair338RUM]

Got an alternative genius?

[@psikeyhackr6914]

So why do you create educational systems that psychologically condition children to follow orders? *Voyage from Yesteryear* by James P Hogan

[@Confessor555]

There are worse things than fighting this war, and they start with not fighting it.

[@marckg6950]

Yup

[@Tongue_Twister]

She is married to the Polish politician Radosław Sikorski, who said several years ago that he is more afraid of German passivity than German tanks on Polish territory.

[@guciodestroyer2432]

Yes, he is famous in Poland for such controversial statements.

[@ian38018a]

Silly man, to say that.

[@rb3058]

Then he is not a clever man. German tanks will certainly not defend land that is actually German and was occupied by Poland in 1945. That is simply unacceptable in Germany. In fact, the majority of Germans would probably pop the corks if Russia invaded Poland. Until then, Poland does not exist in the perception of most Germans.

[@lubokanev7436]

Sounds like a wise guy

[@donaldduck4888]

Says all you need to know about her objectivity.

[@minsapint8007]

I loved the reference to Britain in Ireland and France in Algeria. That was on point.

[@macswad]

I'm not sure why Anne chose to mention Britain in Ireland. That situation bears absolutely no resemblance to Russia in Ukraine.

[@pwaegemans]

@@macswad Actually it does. Great Britain ( England, the UK) is a former colonist who regarded Ireland as a part of the British empire and has invaded Irish sovereignty on multiple occasions.

[@macswad]

@@pwaegemans I don't think it does because of the timeline. English people had settled in Ireland (& vice versa) long before the definition of sovereignty, or ideas of Empire & even during the Empire people from Ireland served in the British Army. The Irish fought & won their Independence over 100 years ago. UK also supports the principle of the right to self determination & has done so since the 1940's which is why it gave away the world's largest empire without a shot being fired (in most cases!) . During this interview Anne has mis-stated Putin's War Aims. Putin does not want to invade & occupy Ukraine. He merely wants to stop it joining both NATO & the Empire of the EU. Failing to understand Putin is a serious mis-calculation. But at least Anne admits in the interview she failed to see War coming even though almost anyone could have predicted it. Long before Putin came to Power. I'm not quite sure how Anne managed to win the Pulitzer Prize. I'll guess I will have to read her books.

[@johnkeane1419]

@@macswad Yes, she is quite midwit. Americans know very little about the wider world beyond profits and soundbytes.

[@Purple_flower09]

@@macswad no Putin wants to occupy Ukraine, install a puppet, and sit back. That's the war aims.

[@rednose1966]

100% spot on and fully aware.

[@consciouscrypto3090]

I like how she compared what Russia needs to learn now with what her allies (England and France) had to learn relative to Ireland and Algeria. It's not that the West is pure and Russia is completely an outlier. It's just that apparently Russia is a bit slower to learn.

[@jamesthomas4841]

That is a good point Britain and France have come to terms with loss of empire Russia needs to do the same.

[@kosarkosar7683]

This is not only happening to the Ukrainian empire, for example, nations wanted to free themselves from the British empire, the British had to come to terms with it. Realistically speaking, if you don't have a strong enough army, you have to make compromises with the people under the yoke, but if you have enough power, you don't have to and you can suppress any rebellion and repel anyone who would help free them.

[@stephengillott9435]

Like your take on the interview and have to agree.👍👍

[@stephenhill545]

Russia is a more militaristic culture than Britain and France, and doesn't have a strong economy, as Britain and France had. Its decline is pretty much assured.

[@stephenhill545]

@@kosarkosar7683 russia lost its empire because its economy is weak, and its still weak. Attacking Ukraine will just make things worse for Russia.

[@ootenyafoo6935]

One thing is demonstrably true, we (the USA) NEVER learn from history. That goes for so called "experts " too!

[@ootenyafoo6935]

@Craig Steddy USA - Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq - trillions of dollars wasted and millions of people murdered. Now that's learning from history - geniuses all around I guess. What could go wrong?

[@HanginInSF]

Yup, here we are once again allowing England to drag us into a foreign war that does not benefit us.

[@petergreen5337]

Precisely

[@ucruci]

Europe will have to learn to defend itself. US is no longer a dependable ally like it was during Cold War years. Even if Harris won this election, Europe needs to forge ahead on its own. And that is sad and very concerning.

[@factChecker01]

The U.S. was warning Ukraine that Russia was going to attack.

[@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing]

Europe forgot all the mistakes of the Post WW1 world, and still keeps flirting with repeating them. Like Appeasement.

[@brucemartin8435]

To the point with no sugar coating! Bravo!🇨🇦🇮🇹🇺🇦

[@marijanstankovic8036]

Hahaha!

[@robertotamagnini4891]

when referred to a lady you must say BRAVA , not BRAVO ( male adjective )- PS I totally agree with your comment I loved her analysis I have heard thousands of silly speeches , she is at another level -ciao saluti da Roma , Italia

[@brucemartin8435]

@ Vero! Salut di Arienzo (Caserta) ….now home.

[@thomaswallace479]

Hers is a voice to be respected & listened to!

[@sinamark-com]

She is biased towards US led NATO. This is Deutsche Welle, the Voice of Amerika in Germany

[@mikimordy3446]

She is right. We all remember the collapse of Soviet Union. The same is waiting for Russia. It takes times though.

[@harshgamit3799]

Dream

[@petergreen5337]

😂That is NONSENSE and WISHFUL thinking.

[@nord2800]

​@@harshgamit3799Just like before 1991 you might have thought the soviet union would never fall. But it happened.

[@SPQRCenturion1976]

Do not hold your breath for it.... And for the end of Europe, people can thank European leaders, countless mistakes throughout the last century, attacks and war on family, religion, illegal immigration, Europe's double standards and profound hypocrisy. We can add illegal wars, Europe's support and involvement in genocides, exploitation of resources of former colonies. What Europe achieved in the last 400 years or so, was through the war, pillaging, extortion, genocide, blackmailing, and culturocides. Now, Europeans are afraid because there is a new guy in town who is stronger, does not allow Europe to continue with bullying others, more just, and who adheres to international laws. Main problems of current day Europe are lack of resources to continue existing way of living. Europe is overpopulated, family bonds are severely weakened, and so many of European countries rely of cheap labor, cheap gas, oil, and cheap materials for their industrial complexes. No more. And to top it off, there are millions of illegal immigrants who are not bending to assimilate into European culture and lifestyle. I agree that this is the end of Europe as we know it, but disagree on who is responsible for it. As the old saying goes: "when you play with fire, you get burned."

[@yanndebois4154]

You misspelled USA.

[@0zoneTherapyCures]

Grayzone article The real casualties of Russia's 'civil war'? The Beltway "expert" class

[@pauliedweasel]

Bingo!

[@SWRural-fk2ub]

Russia's civil war, when did that start then? I remember 1917, but you did not mean that one.

[@tudorjurgiu]

Such clarity. Also this: ”Like France in Algeria or UK in Ireland.” - :))

[@bixbysnyder-00]

"361 days into my 3 day war, I am still master strategist" -Vladimir Putin

[@deepaks4370]

Lol, it is just taking slightly longer than originally anticipated....

[@zollen123]

Is Putin tired of being wrong all the time?

[@Nutajel]

Except he is neither

[@jerryrichardson2799]

Nope, putin is a master of BS, lol! When the Saudi royal family can tell you to suck an egg, you're not that powerful.

[@gilh3947]

@@zollen123 No fascist never grow tired of being wrong.

[@amilaperera1]

I think US needs to change their policies.

[@MLM68]

And what does Russia need to do?

[@davidcolley7714]

@@MLM68 Nothing. NATO hegemony started this war

[@Mr.Patrick_Hung]

​@@MLM68win

[@philipb2134]

I think you need to change yours. These are not mutually contradictive.

[@hjones4922]

That's a bit vague, sorry. Could you say what policies and how they should change?

[@rrmuf]

Sobering but well-thought out and very well-articulated! I am afraid Ms. Applebaum is absolutely correct.

[@jbbeiser983]

Still no news on northstreem sabotage?

[@diogenesegarden5152]

Her husband blurted out the truth, thanking the USA for blowing the pipeline in a tweet just after it was done! Yet another delusional talking head.

[@mrbreeze40]

Nobody cares. FACT IS- NEVER trust Putin. Simple as that and lesson learned.

[@richardmoloney689]

Yep, the Irish did it

[@eliotness4029]

Still no news on northstreem sabotage? but we have news now wolksvagen will close factories in germany, because of expensive energy

[@franklinfranklin5302]

Has Europe learned from Iraq, Lybia and supply of weapons in Yemen

[@driver4011]

no, people never learn. history repeats, along with mistakes.

[@MG-mb6mj]

0:17 That part was broken 2008 when *kosovo declare independence backed by west

[@mavigogun]

I guess you forgot about the whole Serbs launching a genocidal campaign on their neighbors thing, huh? It always amazes me how Serbs attempt to style THEMSELVES as the true victims of their crimes!

[@MG-mb6mj]

so it's ok to change a border if you have excuse? Perheps we should change German border? Look what Hitelr did

[@MG-mb6mj]

@@mavigogun and yes we shoud name those who comited crimes by name and surname (not generalise or etiqueting whole nation) You will have my suport fot taht, we will make world better place

[@mavigogun]

@@MG-mb6mj How do you suggest we remove ethnicity from Serbia's ethnic warfare? By not nominating it? It's not fair that good people in Serbia are saddled with the ethno-nationalism championed by their fellow citizens- but this is what takers always do, projecting cost onto others. If Serbia is to have a better reputation, it will be earned by Serbians; putting the responsibility onto anyone else is wishful- at best.

[@drazenborsi4283]

Kosovo did not separate from Serbia, it separated from Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia was a federation of 6 republics and 2 autonomous regions one of wich was Kosovo. According Yugoslavian constitution they had legal right to separate..

[@davidmangs6111]

Everyone should read Anne Applebaum's recent book: Autocracy Inc. to understand the global threat to democracy by the AXIS powers, their corrupt allies and proxies. We need to see more of Anne Applebaum on all media outlets.

[@deanmoriarty6100]

I agree. Anne Applebaum and Timothy Snyder are probably the most competent experts on the subject. Both have no illusions about russia.

[@GwynBleys]

Nice try Anne

[@redzisan]

I agree if only other countries would be not as corrupt as USA and others!

[@massimoboccanera5744]

She works with Cia

[@justinweaver7543]

I'm almost finished reading this book. Applebaum's research and analysis are on point. It's an illuminating book for sure.

[@agritech802]

More importantly, we ignored the signs that China was becoming an aggressor and may already be too difficult to defend against

[@ihorperec4990]

No, it's not "more importantly". China might be strong and resurgent but unlike Russia it is not bent on extending its territory and destroying the world order. China is an economic rival, not an existential threat to humankind.

[@agritech802]

@@ihorperec4990 ok, I'll bet you €5 that China will invade or blockade Taiwan in the next 5 years 🙂

[@IRACEMABABU]

@@ihorperec4990 Who said that, but you ??????????

[@Mr.Patrick_Hung]

Here in China we don't want war with anyone. Would you White Western warmongers kindly wake up?

[@chestermartinez6659]

And......why we are ignored Israel is alright an agressor and a genocide state.China is not invade nobody yet.

[@KenDavies-qv3fs]

Thank you for honest comments.

[@sonomacalendar9949]

Last time I looked at the map Iraq was not next to the US

[@paulrousseau9144]

Shhhh ... We're only supposed to talk about Russia, Russia, Russia. Wave that blue and yellow flag!

[@Kukaboora]

With such clarity and sureness, Ann Applebaumn is the world leader we need. “The war will end when Russia changes”

[@lupusdeum3894]

RuZZia hasn't changed since the Mongols invaded. 😮

[@senianns9522]

When Germany went soft, allowed massive immigration of multi-cultures, the problems intensified! Wake up Europe!

[@conallgeneral8136]

😂😂😂😂

[@cosmincasuta486]

What a bullsh1t statement for western woke 1d10ts!

[@darrenjohnson7857]

Russia is not giving back 25%of land *she is unrealistic quoting past history has no effect on today * if she was right she would allocate a NATO army to enter Ukraine * She is selling newspapers .

[@robert100xx]

Frank Interview. Lets not be too hard on ourselves for our oversights. When I heard putin broadcast his intentions to make russia great again, I for one didn't see war and expansionism. I actually thought russia was going to achieve this through trade, production, tourism, fellowship. Who in their right mind would fashion themselves on the Third Reich and resurface the cruelest side of Soviet/Bolshevism in the 2020's

[@paganjew0108]

When I heard the expression make Russia Great again, all the alarms went off

[@CSUnger]

How about “ Make NATO great again”? Be careful what you wish for. Watch what the magician is doing with his other hand. We can identify Russia’s leader. Can you identify yours?

[@DyzioTheDreamer]

Who in their right mind would not have conceded a vital naval base in Sevastopol over to NATO? Comparing Russia to the Third Rich is rather complimentary and exonerating to the latter.

[@paganjew0108]

@@DyzioTheDreamer except that your argument fails to address the fact that Sebastopol is not Russia's or Putin's to concede. It belongs to Ukraine and Ukraine can do anything they want with it. That does not necessitate Russia to invade Ukraine and make targets out of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

[@DyzioTheDreamer]

@@paganjew0108 I will address the fact by asking you by what right did President Kennedy oppose Cuba allowing Russian nukes to be installed in their sovereign country. Whatever you have to say in response to my question just copy and paste as my answer to yours.

[@TicoM0la]

Basically she knows as much as I do about whats gonna happen...

[@FurryCruz]

Borders have changed several times, latest major was Yugoslavia disappearing. As a historian I can tell you thia is not the last war in Europe. But maybe if I'm lucky is last in my lifetime.

[@andyyang5234]

At least we can hope that every redrawing of lines in Europe means one more friendship and one less reason for war. The same can't be said between Russia and Ukraine though.

[@petars.6210]

Borders in Europe WAS CHANGED by FORCE (illegally by NATO) in 1992 (Yugoslavia), and 1999 (2008 in Serbia despite UN Resolution 1244 and its 10th paragraph from the top of Resolution !!!

[@JenabeSaber]

The irony though is, when she said: " we have to help Russia to get to the point...". We all know what does helping other countries really mean, especially, when the other country is not from NATO!!

[@vikik4714]

Do we have other options?

[@est9949]

Yo Putin bots, stop shamelessly twisting the truth. Ukranian civillians are being killed by Russian soldiers and weapon, and that's the problem at hand. Whatevery you said is insincere at best.

[@riesjart1000]

If NATO countries do something bad it doesn't mean that it's good to do it too. It should both be condemned. As a world citizen I saw that Iraq was being destroyed and now I see Ukraine being destroyed. But now you're actually saying that if NATO does something then it's bad but if Russia does the same thing it's good.

[@JenabeSaber]

@@vikik4714 As a VNP ( very normal people) we never really have any choice or option... That's why no matter how many people around the world are against this war, the war march is played louder and louder every single day with no sign of peace.

[@JenabeSaber]

@@riesjart1000 I totally agree with you, however, as a world citizen too, I witnessed Iran revolution followed by 8 years war against Iraq, both orchestrated and conducted by West. So I'm realistically pessimistic about their intentions and hidden agendas. That's all.

[@ohiemiameh918]

This is exactly how Europe underdeveloped Africa

[@jaishimaleladharsingh2593]

Great Interview Anne Applebaum

[@hagestad]

Her husband was even better telling straight forward on Twitter that US blowed up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

[@vitalypotapenko4145]

I would expect a historian to be a bit more cautious while using 'forever' word

[@anativeeuropean226]

Who is behind this development, Mrs Applebaum? I am sure you know.

[@pierrerochon7271]

bots out today

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

It's not a "development", it's a war of aggression started by Putin.

[@juliansmith6329]

Did I just enter an alternative universe?

[@anton1713]

Why do you think that?

[@thorkushari4027]

​@@anton1713 Another chicken hawk from the same coop as neocons such as Kissinger, Albright, and Nuland.

[@AugaAuf]

Do not be afraid. You just had made contact with the real world. Welcome to reality!

[@mockingbbirdkilla1771]

​@AugaAuf Russia never invaded Syria. They've been allies for decades. Not sure why this cow is trying to lie about that.

[@knut-jrgenplesner4856]

But what about the repeated violations by USA/NATO of the actual promise to Russia of not expanding NATO further into the Eastern European states in connection with the reunification of Germany; the total disregard of legitimate security concerns on the Russian side?

[@RandomDudeOne]

There never was such a promise. I've searched and can find no record of any such agreement being made. All I can find is Putin making this claim, and we all know what a liar he is.

[@tinylazer]

There was no treaty preventing East European countries from joining NATO. On the other hand, countries like Poland and the Baltics were begging to join, and why should Russian paranoia supersede the security of East European countries? In fact, Russian "security" concerns were always an excuse to dominate their neighbors. Look at how the Russians left their entire NATO border undefended because they have to send soldiers to Ukraine. Not so worried about NATO invading now are they?

[@nord2800]

It was only for Eastern Germany. No other documents were signed. But russia signed the Budapest memorandum promising not to violate Ukraine's state borders. So, who broke the agreement?

[@SlavicDubs]

​@@nord2800 even if nothing was ever signed, we can't just bluntly disregard Russia's security concerns if we want to have peace in Europe. Why are we letting this bully (USA) from the other side of the freaking Atlantic provoke Russia to the extent where we have a full-blown war on our continent? Our continent is burning, not theirs. Our gas prices went up. We are letting the USA destroy our continent and standard of living. It should be in our interest to have good relations with Russia

[@eliotness4029]

@@nord2800 So, who broke the agreement? It was only for Eastern Germany. in 1991. But russia signed the Budapest memorandum promising not to violate Ukraine's state borders. but when ukroene decided to be enemy of Russia? Russia decided not to protect okroine any more? how it is possible

[@jorgealves3436]

Well spoken, Ms Applebaum!

[@niallodonnell7827]

'There's no one to talk to' -perfectly put

[@bramposthumus9300]

Exactly. The first thing that needs to happen is that the Russian leadership needs to be jolted out of its collective imperialist psychosis.

[@stephenkoludrovic-q5p]

You are right in what you say. There is no one apart from the USA that Russia can talk to.

[@vmsangar8029]

how many wars did us started..and for what reason?

[@mavigogun]

Focus, dude- all of Europe is rallying to stop Putler's genocidal ambitions for a renewed Soviet Empire through military conquest- you know, the EXACT thing NATO was created to prevent. Yet, here you are, attempting to blame the US for Russia's murder, rape, and theft. No sale, comrade.

[@christianevanherck6023]

A list of USSR/Russian military invasions and occupations: 1 Poland (1939-1956) 2 Baltic states (1940-1991) 3 Finnish territories (1940) 4 Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (1940) 5 After the Soviet Union entered the war on the Allied side 5.1 Iran (1941-1946) 5.2 Hungary (1944) 5.3 Romania (1944) 5.4 Bulgaria (1944) 5.5 Czechoslovakia (1944) 5.6 Northern Norway (1944-1946) 5.7 Bornholm, Denmark (1945-1946) 5.8 Germany (1945) 5.9 Austria (1945-1955) 5.10 Manchuria (1945-1946) 5.11 Korea (1945-1948) 5.12 Kuril Islands (1945) 6 Cold War 6.1 Hungarian Revolution of 1956 6.2 Czechoslovakia (1968-1989) 6.3 Afghanistan (1979-1989) 7 Moldova (1990-1992 still partially occupied today) 8 Chechnya (1999-today) 9 Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Georgia (2008-today) 10 Crimea, Ukraine (2014-today) 10.1 Parts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, Ukraine (2014-today) 11 Syrian intervention (2015-today)

[@glenncordova4027]

Three

[@mavigogun]

@@Sweet-Rat-Milk There is no justification for Putler's genocidal campaign in Ukraine. This isn't commerce.

[@mavigogun]

@@Sweet-Rat-Milk That's true- Ukraine is enjoying the support of the free and democratic constituents of the EU because of who they have shown themselves to be. Meanwhile, Russia has no allies, only trade partners, such as Iran and North Korea, and is rejected by good people everywhere. Putler's Russia has joined the infamy of Stalin, an unforced tragedy born of sociopathic greed.

[@galvk]

Every war changes the worlds, but nobody learns the lessons. Empires will exist forever. Only the form of oppression has changed a little.

[@ankurpriyadarshan]

rightly said......no one learns.......no one would ever learn......

[@Alan-cl2ix]

Everyone also said Covid will change the world but nothing changed, same old ways. Same thing with 9/11 etc. Only great wars like WW2 can change the world, other events are forgotten within a week after.

[@mickeysimon3789]

Empires will fall as they always do

[@petercolledge2236]

What a superb interview with one of our foremost experts on Europe and its future.

[@annettecurtain356]

If there is any Humanity throughout the world, let's be knowing 2024, Political oligarch eletitisum Regimes Parties, Dictatorship at the expense of Humanity, and Freedom, love and concerns for all our Children of tomorrow ❤❤❤❤🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍

[@marijanstankovic8036]

Hahahahaha! Expert? Hahahaha!

[@sylvestrelauriotprevost]

@@marijanstankovic8036 she is a witch like Ursula...

[@everjustvalor]

Reading this comment section made me lose a little bit of hope in America that I hadn’t realized was still there.

[@BailelaVida]

A very interesting comment, ever...

[@shaopingwu5345]

Well said!

[@jkc3738]

You forgot to practice Falun Gong today?

[@ljubisakupusovic7227]

Laying nato west chage border 1999 kosovo is part of serbia law is making who is stronger ther is not such international law

[@johnbell1859]

There speaks a very smart lady, with a grounded perspective on the reality of this outrageous war. 🇬🇧🇺🇦

[@Teney1994]

Perspective of reality from more than one year ago*

[@MrOptimusheath]

watched the entire interview on a thumbnail, but had to comment, She is smart. great hearing from real knowledge for a change.

[@andrewmaclear]

If, as Anne Applebaum say, there is ´no one to talk to´ that is the result you get when one party is perpetually demonised. It was well understood how this situation evolved, particularly by Ms Applebaum's husband, a vocal proponent of the NATO cabal. To say this whole tragedy is poorly reported and presented would be an enormous understatement. All you are seeing here is the perpetuation of the Washington/NATO diatribe - without any of the backstory, context or dreadful possible consequences.

[@nosheizer1294]

How doe Putler's junk taste?

[@jlpetley]

She let herself down at the end by referring to Britain in the context of Northern Ireland as somehow being the same situation to Russia’s view of Ukraine?

[@susannehartl3067]

I don't think she meant it that way, merely that the hold on Northern Ireland is a remnant of the former British empire.

[@jlpetley]

@@susannehartl3067 Well that demonstrates your knowledge of history is a poor as hers. Ireland’s entanglement with the history of England goes back to the post Norman conquest times of the 12th century. It pre-dates the concept of Great Britain (or more specifically the UK) by some 600 years….

[@jlpetley]

@@TheDerek1976 And what history would that be? Here’s a clue. Start from the position that Great Britain never invaded Ireland. In fact start from the position that Great Britain didn’t even exist , nor a United Ireland for that matter, when the Normans invaded it after they had conquered England.

[@susannehartl3067]

@@jlpetley I am no British citizen so my lack of knowledge of British history is somewhat understandable. I just tried to explain what she probably meant without evaluation.

[@jlpetley]

@@susannehartl3067 She’s advised US President’s on international affairs so she should know better.

[@TobyRoberts]

wait...she thinks we had the idea that "the borders of europe were unchangeable"? what planet has she been on? Completely weird thing for a historian to say! The borders have changed constantly throughout history but even just recently they've still been changing eg. Kosovo.

[@calicocat8213]

She's a fanatical Rusophobe who stretches actual history any way she seems fit.

[@wb33]

Amazingly sensible and right on! If only our politicians would listen to voices like hers.

[@carloalibrandi9800]

Finally some realistic words about the situation

[@armadura333]

I'd love to see Prof. John Mearsheimer debating with this lady.

[@Jetchisel]

Unfortunately she lives on another planet with a distorted sense of reality. So the chances of such an encounter are extremely low.

[@EstebanMataVargas]

@@Jetchisel She has also lived in a world where she could study Russian-Ukranian relations for over 30 years. Can you say the same about yourself?

[@EstebanMataVargas]

He would be completely destroyed by Applebaum. The only reason some people pay attention to him is because you love the idea of the USA being the big bad wolf of the story. But History tells us big bad wolves have been around since the very beginning, so it´s absurd to put all the blame on the west, when Russia has been engaged in 18 wars since the fall of the USSR.

[@Jetchisel]

@@EstebanMataVargas Yes! From my extensive research it is clear that the war in Ukraine is the result of attempted NATO expansion.

[@arthurdiaz9184]

This lady is an example of the problem. She talk’s about security of Europe. Well, this conflict that could’ve been avoided, has made Russia stronger. Despite the sanctions. Ukraine is about to crumble they don’t have soldiers to fight. Things are not going well for the west financially, economically & militarily.

[@prebenpetersen5982]

It certainly havent made Russia stronger. Russian economy is in shambles. The army has not much material. Demografics are awful in Russia. Sanctions can be kept for decades, making Russia into a Cuba like economy. How do you see Russia in 5 years, if the war just ends like the Korean war, with no settlement and Russia under permanent western sanctions?? Made Russia stronger…..????? Come on

[@davidreeves8266]

This hasn't aged particularly well...

[@arthurdiaz9184]

@ really,how so? I’m all ears.

[@robertotamagnini4891]

THESE ARE THE ONLY WISE WORDS I HAVE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WAR - ( AND I HAVE READ AND LISTENED TO THOUSANDS OF ARTICLES ) SHE TRULY DESERVES THE PULITZER PRIZE - HER ANALYSIS IS VERY SIMPLE , VERY TRUE -TO ME THE ONLY VALID AND REASONABLE ONE

[@cris471]

Russia needs to understand that it can no longer be an imperial power I completely agree !!! My question is: doesn’t that also apply to the US?

[@DyzioTheDreamer]

My very observation! But we are in a minority among people commenting here.

[@tessjuel]

Yes, it does apply to the US too but you can't compare Russia and the USA that way. USA is a democracy. It's a flawed democracy, yes, a seriously flawed one even, but it's still a democracy with checks and balances that to some degree limit what atrocities its hawks can get away with. USA also has some basic respect for people from other nations - not nearly enough but still a little bit. Russia is purely a destructive force. It's ruled by a small megalomaniac clique with no checks and balances and with no respect or regard whatsoever for the rest of the people in the world. Or to use a metaphor from the US school system: USA is the big bully who forces you to give him your lunch money. Russia is the guy who brings an AK 47 to school and goes on a killing spree. It would be a better world if we could get rid of both but we need to keep some sense of perspective here.

[@DyzioTheDreamer]

@@tessjuel Could you do me a favour and provide some examples where it was to some degree limited what atrocities the hawks could get away with? You know from my Polish perspective I have a hard time to persuade myself to side with Russia, but since Iraq it is somowhat easier. In fact I am being bombarded daily with arguments to support the idea that perhaps Russia ruled by a small megalomianic clique is a safer bet for the world peace than the democratic USA with its 700 military bases all over the place, with its continuing illegal presence in Syria, with the distinguished audience breaking into such creepy merriment following that war criminal Bush's famous Freudian slip. In short I am punching out from admiring the USA as I had used to. Let's just stop escalating the war in Ukraine, pretending that we stand up for this country's people while sending them to fight and die just in order to maintain the US hegemony on Earth.

[@gman7497]

Alot of those bases are welcome, the US may be heavy handed but the world stays relatively stable. Those bases in Europe were there for precisely this outcome, if they weren't would the EU be powerful enough to defend itself? Idk why some seem to think that Putin would be happy with just Ukraine.

[@jamesheath7596]

@@DyzioTheDreameragree with you

[@user-sx1jb8gc6s]

One thing the last 3 years of covid taught us is that the "experts" don't know.

[@johnkerr7286]

Of course they know - covid was engineered to test compliance and most fools fell for it.

[@mkodyglobalsouthsoldier]

03:20 ×^ what about France and West Africa What about usa in Syrian oil fields and crop fields

[@gdsvalentine1193]

Cracking little chat there. Well done both of you. Why can't the BBC be like this?

[@paullacey2999]

Because the BBC is a gravy train full of liberals...

[@niklaskristensson2231]

Before everything: stop Putin....

[@dlukton]

She says that the only way the war can end is if Russia withdraws without gaining anything. OK, fine; maybe after another 5 years of economic war & military conflict, she'll change her tune.

[@tessjuel]

No, she's right. There are only two possible endings to this conflict, either Russia conquers all of Ukraine and kills a few million people to ensure the Ukrainian nation is dead forever or the Ukrainians drives the Russian completely out of their territory. Any other "solution" will only be a long (or possibly even a short) armistice and not an end.

[@lrbell64]

Anne Applebaum is a noted expert on Putin and the war in Ukraine. European countries would be advise to heed her warnings. Great interview by the DW correspondent. 😅

[@arachniddeity]

Agree 100% 🤣🤣🤣. Hilarious!

[@marijanstankovic8036]

Hhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahaha!

[@branimirsalevic5092]

Remember Serbia? And how you snatched 20% of her territory after the illegal war NATO waged on her? How about those borders?

[@fortune300]

Very true and clear!

[@aiyeaiye1371]

Does this woman really believe that there'll be a military victory for Ukraine?

[@jptrainor]

Probably not, but she has to repeat US orthodoxy.

[@glenncordova4027]

Yes

[@alexandraschall7896]

Define victory? Ukraine doesn’t want to occupy Russia and take Moskau. They only want their territory back and this is totally possible. If you have a different opinion, you did not watch this war closely enough

[@aiyeaiye1371]

@@alexandraschall7896 Russia is taking more Ukrainian territories as we speak.... How do you think Ukraine intends to survive this ever escalatoy Russian onslaught?

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

Invading armies always loose

[@Tehui1974]

I haven't heard this woman before, but she's brutally honest. Russia must dislike her as a result.

[@rogerdvorak6045]

Nikki Haley is also very honest.

[@vivvpprof]

Read her books, very thoroughly researched and informative.

[@ian38018a]

Russia will regard her as just another irrelevant Western propagandist

[@mostlikely...]

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[@ms.annthrope415]

@Roger Dvorak nowhere near as intellectually blessed as Applebaum. And I wouldn't call her waffling on Trump honest.

[@philipwallace-eu4hr]

Wonderful interview. I agree with her on every point. She sees very clearly.

[@davidkwameamoah7822]

That Russia invaded Syria?

[@KevJK1]

Anne Applebaum... wiki...''She has worked at The Economist and The Spectator,[4] and was a member of the editorial board of The Washington Post (2002-2006).[5] Applebaum won the Pulitzer Prize in 2004 for Gulag: A History published the previous year.[6] She is a staff writer for The Atlantic[7] and a senior fellow at The Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies''

[@gnomechonky]

"The war will end when the Russians conclude that it was a mistake." This aged badly

[@rogerforsberg3910]

My assessment, Mr chonky, is that the statement from Mme Applebaum should have read "...when Mr Putin concludes that it was a mistake." Or, do you believe that he's the head of an intensely democratic Russia?

[@nord2800]

Many Germans didn't conclude that for decades after ww2. It was a long process.

[@TechCrunchPK]

Russia did actually conclude that it was a mistake by US and allies to think that they can park their nukes in Russia's backyard, and expect no retaliation.

[@KaiHouston-m6j]

@@TechCrunchPK LOL

[@steverogers5956]

@@TechCrunchPK nukes? What nukes are you talking about? No nukes have been placed in any of the former Soviet colonies that joined NATO, why would Ukraine be any different?

[@marckg6950]

Gives me hope when i see such smart caring people

[@cosmincasuta486]

Such a hyporytic, double standarded woke politician....You dserve her!

[@marijanstankovic8036]

Hahaha!

[@mpcinlv]

Clear and concise analysis. Well done.

[@jumpjet88]

Last name applebaum, wiki checks out. Defender of Israel, critic of Russia. It’s a cadence.

[@CellarDoorCS]

Anne is my fav to listen to, such a smart lady!

[@angusmackay7281]

Anne seems very keen on arms and fighting. Perhaps she can lead by example by going to the front to face the Russian army?

[@alaplex100]

She forgets to mention that NATO expanded from 16 countries in 1990 to 32 countries now.Latvia, Slovenia, Estonia, etc has NATO on or close to there border with Russia. That's like Russian and Chinese with an alliance with Canada and Mexico with troops at our order. How would the U S react? This lady needs to study history.

[@leopark4379]

liar

[@Karpesh]

@@leopark4379 where? he speaks straight truth. You are brainwashed if you think he is lying.

[@bvanderford]

Russian and Chinese troops would help on the Texas border with Mexico. Cartel violence and immigration would slow down. Plus an extra market for our gun manufacturers

[@Ярослава-в9ш]

That only proves what NATO and russia are like. Those countries joined NATO on their own free will precisely because they feared for their security, and for a good reason, given their history. NATO is smth that countries actually want to join, and do so freely, just as they can freely leave. Unlike russia, with whom if you try to get out of their influence even a tiny bit, they'll show up with arms at your doorstep.

[@alaplex100]

@Ярослава-в9ш Yes, but James Baker and others assured Russia nothat NATO would not expand . In addition how do you think the United States would respond if Mexico and Canada joined an alliance and allowed Russian and Chinese troops on the border? US Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on 9 February 1990 was only part of a cascade of similar assurances.

[@luciustitius]

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” - Michael G. Hopf

[@tommieberggren3324]

Every man hearing this thinks, "Where am i in all this, am i weak or strong ?"

[@luciustitius]

@@tommieberggren3324 It‘s more like every hearing this should think of Maslow‘s hierarchy of needs.

[@omvegan]

Except that the United States with England and Canada as its partners wants to maintain its empire.

[@paulrousseau9144]

It's not imperialism when the United States does it. Only bad Russia has imperialist ambitions. /sarcasm

[@BailelaVida]

@@paulrousseau9144 Exactly..

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

Rubbish

[@food4thort]

At last someone says it the way it is! Plain and blunt but a very clear reality.

[@mosienko1983]

Anne is one of the big reasons why I subscribe to, and never miss reading the Atlantic.

[@pacificocean9682]

What you got to say about Iraq war in the 20th anniversary when 1.4 millions were killed This lady is out of her mind

[@charmainekirk1512]

Absolutely agree!

[@elenagill-yn7sw]

What kind of nonsense she is saying ??!! russia will never change ! NATO is comfortably snoozing since 1949... Ukraine is a brave buffer zone for Europe - HELP UKRAINE RIGHT NOW and that's it !

[@frankhoffman3566]

I believe we are in a FAR more unpredictable time than Anne Applebaum describes. Both sides in this conflict see winning as an absolute necessity. Weapons used are growing more lethal by the day. Nuclear threats have been made - more than once. There are so many moving parts. The situation is ripe for miscalculation. Even talking about a post-war period seems foolish to me.

[@DyzioTheDreamer]

I just bought a cheap plastic radiation counter. My next move is to stock up on long shelf life food. The outcome of this stand off seems pretty clear to me, particularly when I hear Ann Applebaum resolutely dismissing any possibility for peace talks.

[@frankhoffman3566]

@@DyzioTheDreamer ... I have some "survival" type stuff.- a month of water, portable stove, some canned goods. I don't have the armored vehicle or the underground shelter. I don't blame anyone for doing what you are doing. I don't remember a more dangerous time.. In this time I no longer see survivalists as overreacting crackpots. We are all at a very real risk.

[@irynapolzikova7446]

She makes very good points

[@galvk]

Why doesn't she speak about Helsinki final act?

[@cadmk]

what is it?

[@technobubba4]

Which one ? Helsinki 1.0, Helsinki 2.0, or the next: Helsinki 3.0 ??

[@alwayslearning7672]

Ireland isn't over either because there is still British rule in the north.

[@ionnanskilliorus6877]

Only though consent and there's a democratic way of changing that, that's part of a peace deal.

[@alwayslearning7672]

@@ionnanskilliorus6877 Of course! I wasn't suggesting anything else.

[@tomwatson554]

I was in the 24th division in the late 60s !Part of the cold war I bet they wish they had the U.S. army back!We were paying for European security now they can pay for themselves!

[@gerrygrimes8689]

My god what an extraordinarily naive misunderstanding of that manufactured conflict. I wonder does she actually believe that.

[@wintercook2]

This is the government line that Americans have bought. Hook, line, and sinker. It's really scary.

[@yanndebois4154]

She is not naïve, she is smart, deliberately pretending. That is called propaganda.

[@Arjun_71]

Well said.

[@Ryguy1986lal]

Mitt Romney called this back in 2012. Some people knew

[@user-yp9nz6bs9q]

Some people understood Donald Trump before Mitt Romney.

[@rajajana9842]

One year later.....Russia has not changed but now has a security pact with North Korea.....

[@kslam2546]

Sounds pretty hawkish. No way will there be peace or a ceasefire if the rest of Europe thinks like her. Fortunately the Europeans are now beginning to think otherwise.

[@CyberneticOrganism01]

She's not entirely wrong. But the West needs to fix the Israeli-Palestinian problem first.

[@chikanjoku9884]

This war is a very horrible mistake. There are more ways than one to resolve issues, war is not one of them. Diplomacy was, is and remains the only way to resolving conflicts.

[@peterko8871]

That's utter nonsense if you look at history of conflicts. Ohh, you remember the diplomatic ways of resolving via the Minsk agreements? Ahh, you forgot, for sure, because it's just "diplomacy", no one cares about it, so neither you.

[@FunnyBunny-pd5xx]

April 2022. The now former PM of The UK, Boris Johnson Traveled to Ukraine, to hold "Talks" with President Zelenskyy, It was after these "Talks" the latter REFUSED to negotiate ! SHOULD he have NOT listened to PM Johnson, he could have *saved more land for Ukraine, than should he be FORCED to sign a Peace Treaty, in the very near future. *saved - thousands of lives, on both sides, the upheaval of millions of Ukrainians, beautiful historic building/churches AND too many "others" to detail. AND from my understanding, he now ONLY demands there is an escalation in The Russo-Ukraine Conflict ! A War Strategy of striking Storm Shadow long range Missiles "deep inside Russia"

[@FunnyBunny-pd5xx]

From my understanding, although, after The United Nations General Assembly (UNGA79) he does seem to "be softening" Z has been firmly entrenched in his stubbornness in refusing to negotiate. Whilst his stubbornness is causing/has caused Russian controlled Crimea. Russian partly controlled, Donetsk, Kharkiv, Kherson, Luhansk, Mykolaiv and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts.

[@FunnyBunny-pd5xx]

AND The general consensus is, the cross border incursion into Russia is a debacle ! Reportedly, some of his best Soldiers are trapped on Sudza, Kursk Oblast, without an escape route. Kharkiv Oblast Front is crumbling. The transport hub of Pokrovsk is almost deserted, as many have evacuated.

[@alexiskiri9693]

Your "kumbaya" game is laudable but incredibly naive.

[@lynettedear4833]

Why did Nato want to move into the Ukraine in the first place back in 2014? Why did Putin feel it necessary to defend the Russians living in the Ukraine? Why did he feel it was necessary to keep Nato away from the border of his country? If you look at the Geography of these nations, it's a real clue.

[@tommieberggren3324]

Russia "moved in to Ukraine back in 2014", not NATO.

[@lynettedear4833]

@@tommieberggren3324 Ok, prove that please.

[@tommieberggren3324]

@@lynettedear4833 No, you prove your idiotic statement first.

[@tinylazer]

Did you miss the fact that Crimea used to belong to Ukraine?

[@mike_oe]

What are you smoking?

[@IlPinnacolo]

Lol at this self assured lady talking about this so academically knowing her entire life she would not have to endure so much as an unheated building much less war.

[@MarshallUnduemi]

You’re moving closer to Russia and you’re blaming Russia for feeding insecure.

[@scepticalwalker3984]

Who is moving closer to russia? Ukraine has always been there. Russia’s neighbors feel insecure for good reason. Now, thanks to Putin’s miscalculations, russia will have more NATO troops closer to an even longer border with NATO (1300km/800miles) with Finland. The Baltic Sea will become a NATO lake.

[@MarshallUnduemi]

@@scepticalwalker3984 who was shelling donbas for the past years? 😔

[@scepticalwalker3984]

@@MarshallUnduemi both sides, in a separatist war Putin started. Over 14,000 died on BOTH sides.

[@MarshallUnduemi]

@@scepticalwalker3984 blood is thicker than water, stubbornness caused Ukraine what it is today.

[@scepticalwalker3984]

@@MarshallUnduemi stubbornness against what, undue Russian influence, Russian meddling in Ukrainian affairs both internal and foreign? It is time for Russia to learn that the neighbors are sovereign nations, not vassals or buffer nations. Meanwhile Russia is gradually becoming a vassal to China.

[@deecee1522]

SLAVA UKRAINE❤‍🔥

[@carayoshizumi7503]

Why is a Russian empire disallowed but a European/US/UK empire allowed amongst Western elites?

[@Rangetechus]

Because now Mr bot

[@didier9137]

Because thieves of a feather flock together

[@yagi3925]

Because the nations that are part of what you call “the European/the US empire” are part of them on a free, sovereign basis, whereas Ukraine, Georgia, Moldavia etc. refuse to belong to the Russian empire. Check up the word “sovereignty” in some dictionary.

[@SavetheWestNow]

​@@yagi3925used to be sovereign, forced mandates and "back room" agreements of politicians against the will of the people is not sovereignty.

[@yagi3925]

@@SavetheWestNow Rubbish and hollow blabla. You basically confuse political discourse with law. In international law they're sovereign States, that's the point.

[@jian-pingshen4001]

When there is a war, the first thing to defend yourself, of course, at the same time ask yourself what's the root of this war taking place. and how to avoid the potential next war...

[@xDevoneyx]

"changed Europe forever" equals to 3 generations.

[@vincentbugalia3858]

NATO, of course led by the U.S., reneged on its promise to Russia at the fall of the Soviet Union, that NATO would not move closer to its borders, which it did.

[@peterf1]

This has been covered extensively. A comment, spoken, is not a diplomatic 'promise' nor was it ever codified into a Treaty. All nations entered NATO membership of their own free will.

[@nord2800]

Any documents as a solid proof? Except for the case of Eastern Germany. You can't give any evidence. There was no such official promise signed by anyone. And countries have to ask for joining, they are not forced to join.