The Dictators Who Want to Run the World, with Anne Applebaum (Part 1)

[@salassian3162]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1310">21:50</a> What's Anne Applebaum is tragically missing is that, at least in the US, it's not we the people who control our government via elections or public speech. It's rather the very rich who buy our politicians and justices (scotus) via campaign contributions and sometimes outright giving valuable perks. All done in line with the law, of course, which was decided by earlier justices and congress. Would it be different if the people's voice was what dictated policy (after certain basic rights are established)? If you go by polls done to determine policy preferences, we the people prefer public policies that are quire different than those in law.

[@azalia423]

Foreign lobbies own both parties.

[@salassian3162]

@@azalia423 I don't know how many well financed foreign lobbies have access to our politicians. But for sure domestic lobbies and high net worth individuals have way way too much undue influence in our government.

[@trinleywangmo]

@@salassian3162 They never got around to prohibiting insider trading either... and that's pretty disgusting. But our politicians are the mouth-piece for the ultra-high-net buyer.

[@Valeriya_78]

This is exactly what Robert Baern, a former CIA agent, says in his books. After 20 years spent in the Middle East, he decided to tell everything. Politics is influenced by capitalists, oil lobbies and so on, but this problem is everywhere. There is no truly honest country. This agent lived the years of Saddam Hussein; Bill Clinton and Bush were not elected by the people, American citizens were influenced by the propaganda created by the CIA itself for national interests pushing citizens to vote for it. Robert Baern left the CIA because he found himself deceived by the system in a redundant cycle of corruption. This is however a problem in many countries, where interests outweigh rights.

[@swordarmstudios6052]

I don't actually accept that - because if that was true - then the country would already be gone and you wouldn't have the dozens of heroes in congress now fighting to keep this nation and nations around the world from falling into autocracy. I'm not saying campaign contributions aren't a problem. I am saying it does not condemn the entirely of our goverment and our leadership. Plenty of the 'good' guys are rich as hell. There was a billionarie and self-funded politico on the stage at the DNC. The governor of Colorado , who is an immensely popular democrat ( and I would also argue effective ) , used to be an investment banker. Tom Steyer gives hundreds of millions to environmental causes. Jamie Dimon from JPMorgan has lead an to put banks in disadvantaged communities, and has had success at elevating those areas economically by supplying capital to local businesses which is normally not available to them. In fact there are a lot more rich-good guys than bad ones. it's a populist trap to suggest otherwise.

[@jollyjack4271]

The discussion in itself is very interesting. I don't think that the Prof. A Applebaum advocates that USA/WEST is immune against seriously undemocratic failures. In fact, I'd say we've been warned against becoming complacent and sleepwalking into oligarchs dictatorship. I'd say we're already living it.

[@W_Bin]

It was US neo-liberal think tanks with Bush and IMF backing that made Russia what it is. Just like South America.

[@azalia423]

And manipulated to worry about Russia rather than Zionist take over of US government.

[@reedschrichte800]

["And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:3-5

[@JorgeRzezak]

absolutely, democracy must be under care, it is not for granted, once it goes it is extremely difficult to restore it, or in another words, there will be extremely difficult times for the people and a lot death until it is restored. I lived under 6 dictators during the 60's until 83.

[@azalia423]

@@JorgeRzezak Sadly it's owned by z ionists

[@pdxyadayada]

Wrong focus. A more apt question may be, “how are societal members manipulated to propel narcissists and sociopaths toward becoming autocrats and dictators?”

[@W_Bin]

1. Don't educate them about democracy or anything else they need to know. 2. bombard them with disinformation they have no idea how to fact check. 3. If they are educated, invent a "right to lie", rinse and repeat.

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

Do you think there is significant difference between being killed or crippled by democratic bomb versus the same by dictator bomb? Chemical formula of TNT is exactly the same in both cases.

[@kathrynanderson9222]

She focused more on that topic in her book The Twilight of Democracy.

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

@@kathrynanderson9222 is that book freely available?

[@AI-Hallucination]

@@BojanPeric-kq9etevery book is free if you now how to get them

[@deeliciousplum]

Oh? It has been a while since I have listened to an IQ2 discussion. Thank you Anne Applebaum for sharing your time with us. 🌸

[@stevenpace892]

I think that she identified the weakness of the democratic world. The absence of fear. The lack of fear makes democracy economically strong, but vulnerable due to naive optimism.

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

What naive optimism? Since the end of the Cold war, it was hawkish optimism, "the end of history" to quote Fukuyama.

[@bakkiesafari4]

☝️👌

[@BoonChyeLee-hb3bi]

The failure of democracy at the moment is not because of oligarchs or autocratic regimes. Its legitimacy is because the leaders of the democratic west especially US acted like a dictator in international affairs! Rule based international orders was abandoned repeatedly by US. These included Unilateral military intervention, subversion which led to regime change (in Ukraine , Pakistan, Chile, Egypt etc etc) and unilateral sanctions against adversaries in clear violation international norms by US are examples! How can US which behaves like dictator in international affairs preach democracy to the world!!! Democracy is probably a better system overall , but democracy is a spectrum and each nation should be allowed to evolve on their own , in their own terms and allow rooms for them to exercise their right to self determination , without interference from US and the West!

[@eulescholz8530]

Right! And when I look to the chinese model, I am envious of their one party system, which by the way is working for its people! And the financial system (4 greatest banks) are in the hand of government. Democracy is a scam, or call it illusion, whatever!!!

[@danilabezmenov3489]

As a Ukrainian I must say your claim about USA subversion in my country is ridiculous. By the way, your last sentence is exactly what Ukrainians wanted - to exercise their right to self determination without interference from USA, Russia or whoever. It is Russia who doesn't want that.

[@A21Joker]

@@danilabezmenov3489 this type of people deny agency for countries like Ukraine and don't admit that their beloved Russia has been violating the international order since its creation after the collapse of USSR.

[@W_Bin]

Yeah all those people who wanted their own democratic governments don't exist. They didn't do exactly what Americans did in 1765, the English did, the French did, India did.... If you say so, Putin.

[@W_Bin]

@@A21Joker What do you expect of serfs? They have no idea of running their own country, they need mummy Putin to tell them what to think.

[@toddmoore5275]

I have listened many minutes and found no real major disagreement or arguing points Her logic seems solid To MeToo

[@noricd]

She does not acknowledge the existence of imperialism by states she prefers to term simply as "democracies" rather than "western powers". She does not acknowledge the influence and power of US oligarchs and other factors that make questionable the notion of the US being a democracy. Pipelines from Eurasia to Europe for her were "political", so what are regular US wars launched into oil-owning nation-states? She talks of use of money laundering by dictators (so true), so what about the comparable use of tax havens by US companies? She talks of Chinese use of surveillance technology, yet says nothing of the US NSA and Five Eyes use of the same. She talks of autocracy networks and behaviours and does not mention the existence of the same in "the democratic world" (her preferred term). She talks of political systems she prefers as a model others should adopt, failing to note that national polities differ for deeply different historical reasons. She talks of "we" and them. She laughably talks of election interference, not acknowledging that world leadership in that area is held by the US, especially its historical preference for coups and assassinations. Yes, there are truths in some of her statements, but overall she is a propagandist either intentionally or without knowledge and so innocently.

[@AristosG]

She did talk about the abuse of tax havens

[@redatticus7606]

Exactly! Well said. Neoliberal droll even after all the mess this has caused in the world!

[@emmaboyd7908]

hosted by BBC man who's also Royal Corespondent... nuff said, let the propapanda begin

[@eulescholz8530]

Thanks for your comment! It spares me the time to write one! It shows that even supposed intelligent people are living in their "bubble" from where a clear vision of what is going on in the world is impossible!

[@willdon.1279]

Anne's main points proven. We know no society is perfect; a little less perfect are all those who kill, or lock up critics, close media not theirs... the West's freedoms are exploited by those bad actors...

[@StefanKing-g1g]

Thank-you Mrs Applebaum! So refreshing to hear such an clear, honest and candid description of... The West

[@KatyYoder-cq1kc]

REPORT WAR CRIMES: Cease and desist malicious use of AI: ASIA, RUSSIA, IRAN, US COMMUNIST PARTY, WOKE CHURCH AND WAGNER/NEO NAZI TERRORISTS: I am not your property nor are my children

[@andreataylor7135]

"Democracies or democratic nations" rather than just stating "The West" is how Anne corrected the BBC journalist who introduces her, as he names it "The West". The Western democracies now includes many countries which are not classed as being in the West, like Japan, Taiwan and Australia, all are fiercely internally competative democratic nations.

[@Наталка-в4г]

Ann, thank you for your analytics and your books ❤

[@sharonhearne5014]

Anne is a journalist monitoring world situations with a broad background and I am grateful for that. Her life is international given her marriage, her international living situations and by virtue of her age and long career her hard fought real world experience.

[@vaibhavsajith4267]

@@sharonhearne5014 ok boomer

[@azalia423]

Don't be bamboozled. Look deeper. She's not working for your benefit.

[@naziirani2773]

What about a two-party dictatorship in the United States and about the oligarchs who rule the West?

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

Joy of liberal democracies. Just like freedom of media. Officially they are free but somehow they are close to 100% same about every international affair.

[@beesplaining1882]

They are invisible inside Anne's bubble.

[@azalia423]

Seek out alternative news. MSM is owned and brainwashing the public.

[@KatyYoder-cq1kc]

REPORT WAR CRIMES: Cease and desist malicious use of AI: ASIA, RUSSIA, IRAN, US COMMUNIST PARTY, WOKE CHURCH AND WAGNER/NEO NAZI TERRORISTS: I am not your property nor are my children

[@junglecat_rant]

Whatabout Hillary's E-mail? You see? The question is wrong from the get go. Anne Applebaum is an historian. There are a lot of books about deficient democracies by several political scientist. Go and read those, please.

[@DrJoySmithMaxwell]

Brilliant woman! ❤ Educated intellectual ladies.

[@1greggie]

Childless cat lady substituting one of her kind for children and completely missing the massive bias and ignorance of Applebaum. Read her latest Atlantic article and see how Applebaum excises all relevant but unsupporting facts in her efforts to striv to please the people with the party invitations

[@JeffreyWallk]

How do individuals who desire power (embrace autocracy) rise to power and why do we (every country) enable them?

[@HalasterBlackCloak-u2w]

You support the police. Thats how. You support private property rather than demand everything be public. You support military rule. You refuse to be truly moral and cooperate with those who have nothing. Trump has 77 million supporters and ge wants to send the homeless into camps. Throw them in jail. You do not seek out and obey your god and instead obey the whims of your heart. The us is a democracy and its super violent btw. All the land was slaughtered and taken. In a true moral democracy all intelligent agents would have a vote. The Africans out number everyone else. We would be taking care of Africa. White people would lose all their privileges. Farming would count more than other activities. The biggest issue to me though is that minorities would probably lose rights under a real democracy. Tyranny of the majority as it were. So i dunno. Our mayor was elected here. She still wont solve the homeless problem. Same with the prison situation and the environment.

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

Or you have democracy where there is no difference between political parties. Can you imagine any party in US introducing big changes? Let's say, pushing for negotiations here and there instead sanctions and carrier fleets? If you are answer is "no" then how these two parties are REALLY different?

[@ChorltonBrook]

Krembots being here in numbers says it all. She’s pushing the right buttons & helping to damage the illusions of dictators & their useful idiots

[@24tommy109]

Not russian, not a bot lol. She is a member of the tribe so people are rightly not going to trust her. Lies, lies and more lies to further their narrative. Let me guess, you are part of the JIDF and you are simply projecting?

[@Stoddardian]

Free Assange.

[@ChorltonBrook]

​​⁠Incase you didn’t notice he is free ffs. There’s so little freedom in the West that the biggest case of leaking top secret documents in American history and the man is walking free. While in russia you can’t even tweet a bad thing about Putler and you end up falling of a window, your plane conveniently blowing up, or your tea having arbitrarily a massive dose of radiation. But the West is supposedly less free! 🤣

[@williampatton7476]

@@Stoddardian He is free as of 2 months ago.

[@John-iy7xo]

Quick deflect from Israel!

[@amorosogombe9650]

So great to see a renowned western intellectual acknowledge the pro-democracy inclinations of none-western democrats in other parts of the world.

[@beesplaining1882]

Why does Ann keep saying "democracy" when referring to the US? It's a Plutocracy.

[@trinleywangmo]

Not on paper it isn't. But, in practice...

[@beesplaining1882]

@@trinleywangmo In reality.

[@joeblow5087]

It's a Corporatocracy.

[@lokos737]

@@beesplaining1882 I told you-Go to Russia! Over there you will see ‘democracy’! I know, I’ve already been there twice!!

[@lokos737]

@@joeblow5087 What is your formal education, sir?? Non existent? I knew that!!!

[@lizgichora6472]

Thank you Anne Applebaum for a thorough analysis on Autocratic rhetoric and Dictactorsh narrative.

[@romanbrandle319]

CIA propaganda it's painfully obvious.

[@ruthrzezak8715]

Excelente!!!

[@skippy9659]

..this book is lined up next in my library.. it sounds like a good read.. she’s so intelligent.. such a value to us..

[@Nothing-4u2]

I thought when she was talking about Venezuela she meant Turkey. Astonishing how similar fates these two countries share.

[@azalia423]

Oil and expansionist "ally".

[@l3eatalphal3eatalpha]

Can't really take anybody seriously who still believes the US is still genuinely a liberal democracy.

[@marktimbrook562]

What would you call it?

[@InfiniteBordello]

@@marktimbrook562 Kleptocratic, imperialist, oligarchy?

[@gregorysavage7527]

You need to get out

[@yoso585]

Never was

[@majtextwriter1794]

Not very reflective and not very intelligent commeting on a subject ... many files are missing in this lady's head. It is more like western hegemony propaganda than seriouse soci-historical analyse of facts. Just typical british or american way of thinking. Anyone who is threat to western dollar hegemony is a dictator collaborating with "communists"... OMG!! LOL! :))

[@glyman1212]

Hi Anne! Well done. I will get the book. Very intellectually stimulating.

[@berosmith9041]

I'm not sure if she has remembered that the Welfare State was created to stop Western workers from feeling sympathy towards communism. However, from 1989, this was no longer necessary, thus the undoing of the Welfare State in Western Europe! That has created a lot of problems and a lot of dissatisfaction!

[@berosmith9041]

@@tobiaswebb I believes we are talking about two different things.

[@chrysanthimoschonaki2303]

Well-said! So obvious!

[@apollointhedark5758]

2300 years ago. In his book "Politics" Aristotle predicted that Democracies turn to rule by Oligarchs and this is what has happened to the USA

[@PatriciaPalmer-o3e]

What happened is far more complex, however a populace actively involved in the process ever mindful of its fragility ensures this doesn't happen. Are you ? Talk is cheap.

[@HalasterBlackCloak-u2w]

Well i dont think democracy ever really dies but there is some sort of cycle. The last cycle of kings was basically 1500 - 1900 wherein the world was a series of empires all of which fell except the British monarchy. You could say that the British won that series of imperial power struggles by devolving power. When i was in uganda the local king of the tribe was killed off so you can see how dictators often slaughter each other and that indirectly promotes democracy. The UN is not democratic. It was set up by the rockefellers and you cant help but wonder whether they secretly behind the scenes control it. Theres a lot of smoke and mirrors and the people often support non democratic authorities like the police.

[@johnharley4112]

Finally, an analysis one can understand. It underlines the importance of multilateralism and the need to maintain and reforn the UN.

[@Espiritu-o7x]

Reform? Fully disband it.

[@johnharley4112]

@@Espiritu-o7x Really? And then what? A free-for-all where small countries suffer. The UN was formed after WWI for a reason but it needs updating as times have changed.

[@skeetermegamoto]

Big Applebaum fan here! I read "Autocracy Inc." after seeing Anne at Politics & Prose and I highly recommend it though I could have used a deeper dive in the style of "Gulag" and "Red Famine" which I also heartily recommend.

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

Coming to a regime closer than the vast majority of Americans would like, if we were well informed enough to notice it but that 2% would readily welcome with open arms as someting akin to nosaliga from the 1920's and 30's. Ah yes, that great NYT investigative reporter Walter Duranty who also served as Moscow bureau chief of The New York Times for fourteen years following the Bolshevik victory in the Russian Civil War (1919-1921). Every modern American should familiarize themselves with this man and the work that earned him the 1932 Pulitzer Prize for a series of reports about the Soviet Union, eleven of which were published in June 1931.

[@suninmoon4601]

I think it was M. Gorbachev who asserted: America has a dangerous "winner" mentality. I have great respect for A. Applebaum. She is clearly fiercely intelligent, and I admire her ability to express herself with clarity and concision without resort to jargon or abstract technicalities. Nevertheless, I would like to try to highlight an important contradiction in her explanation. She rightly explains that in the nature of politics there is no inevitability. She emphasises that it is neither inevitable that dictatorship will win nor democracy. However, her use of the word "win" suggests that there can be, in fact, winners or losers in the infinity game of politics, where the ultimate goal is to play rather than to be declared "the winner."

[@DP12356]

Surprising to see how many bots and trolls are attacking Anne Applebaum. She’s a very fair and dedicated historian and journalist. You may disagree with this or that thing she says, but you can’t have any reason to doubt her positive motives, intelligence and integrity. Sad to see that the same sort of trolls and bots that have twitter unendurable and are now invading KZbin.

[@aquelpibe]

Actually it is not at all surprising. That is what Russian (and other) trolls do. Personal attacks, deflection, whataboutism and downright lies are all typical tactics. And there is an army of well trained trolls out there.

[@willdon.1279]

Sad? Surprising? All as planned - Assange, etc.

[@24tommy109]

No, there is plenty of reason to doubt her motives when she is a member of the tribe. They lie as easily as they breathe. Not a troll, not a bot. A concerned westerner fed up with their shite

[@benlaffer5041]

Are you smoking crack , apparently she partly renowned for her in depth knowledge of Russia , she has many years as a journalist, she is wrote a book about Autocracy, And then she starts spewing out all the neo liberal talking points , ignoring the facts and even more amazing is that all her points are the same as the lies told by the autocrats

[@arkyark8]

Stating a disagreement doesn't make someone a "bot" or "troll". Grow up.

[@FreshlySqueezed]

Please post the link for the other parts in the info or somewhere useful… thanks

[@louisfifteen]

I just bought this book and I am dissapointed beyond belief. it is just an account of the post WW2 dictatorships that we all knew in advance. No mention of China's genocide and culturel genocide in Tibet. No mention of the israeli genocide in Gaza. No mention of the dictator Netanyahu. No mention of US lies to wage wars in the Middle East/Iraq. No mention og US terrror and spying on it's allies, which is a kind of dictatorship. What a waste of paper and my money.

[@marcosmeraldi233]

questa professoressa scrive li bri di storia sulle malefatte di russi cinesi ecc..... ma degli stati uniti che hanno praticato per circa un secolo la discriminazione razziale non dice nulla vedere qui sotto Alcuni esempi di leggi Jim Crow furono la separazione nelle scuole pubbliche, nei luoghi pubblici e sui mezzi di trasporto e la differenziazione dei bagni e dei ristoranti tra quelli per bianchi e quelli per neri. Anche all'interno dell'esercito venne applicata la segregazione razziale.

[@Humvee369]

I’d read her book. But only after I’ve read the well researched tomes of wisdom from all the critics here.

[@24tommy109]

her surname gives it away

[@azalia423]

At best, she's a pawn and a shill.

[@phantomlord2550]

wisdom? what wisdom do you expect from obvious trolls here? remember that what she writes is dangerous for all autocrats out there. and their trolls swarm the comment section every time she appears.

[@azalia423]

The agenda behind what she's promoting isn't disclosed by main stream medias and their owners.

[@W_Bin]

Compliments to Applebaum on the amount of trolls. She is clearly a POI to their employers.

[@John-iy7xo]

No trolls. Just people fed up with Israelis trying to subvert the west

[@John-iy7xo]

No trolls. Just people fed up with Israelis trying to subvert the west

[@lydiazielinski]

Najlepiej tak załatwić sprawę: Krytyka =Trolle. Obrzydliwe

[@azalia423]

The status quo can't handle criticism.

[@РосенСаръмов]

Fantastic Anne Applebaum!

[@paulman1970]

I stopped watching as soon as I saw that the BBC is involved.

[@duvelr]

Lets talk Julian Assange… and then about rule of law, and rights, transparency, etc.

[@willdon.1279]

There are tons of bad stuff all over. The US and others DID fail all over. Distractions? Exactly as Anne mentioned.

[@Stoddardian]

This.

[@ChorltonBrook]

​Yeah there’s so little freedom in the West that the biggest case of leaking top secret documents in American history and the man is walking free. While in russia you can’t even tweet a bad thing about Putler and you end up falling of a window, your plane conveniently blowing up, or your tea having arbitrarily a massive dose of radiation. But the West is supposedly less free! 🤣

[@ChorltonBrook]

@@Stoddardianhe’s free despite leaking many secret US documents, unlike those who held blank pieces of paper in Moscow

[@apollointhedark5758]

2300 years ago. In his book "Politics" Aristotle predicted that Democracies turn to rule by Oligarchs and this is what has happened to the USA

[@chrisken8902]

A question DOES have a rising inclination at the end BUT ONLY WHEN CHILDREN TALK, adults actually tend to use a LOWER inclination at the end of a question.

[@n.br32]

The transprence is a strong point in Democracy,I think is equal with the truth.

[@sarjobah1019]

NATO, led by the United States, is waging a proxy war against nuclear-armed Russia over Ukraine, which matters far more to Moscow than to the West. The conflict was tragically unnecessary, the result of Russian aggression, but only after Washington had endured three decades of arrogant determination to treat Moscow as a defeated power and expand the transatlantic alliance to Russia's borders. Despite repeated warnings from Moscow, successive administrations challenged its security interests in ways the United States would never accept at its border. The Biden administration's refusal to negotiate on NATO expansion in early 2022 was the final shot at war.

[@mandingo9999998]

You leave out one important fact: countries that joined NATO over the past 30 years WANTED to join. They were not coerced by a hostile foreign power. They saw the economic and security benefits and wanted in. Should the U.S.\Western Europe deny them just to placate an autocrat?

[@bakkiesafari4]

Thanks for this video!

[@W_Bin]

Ms Applebaum did not mention the elephant in the room, that those autocracies are only able to act with impunity due to the U N being disabled by a purported exercise by Russia of a claimed permanent membership. - Is she aware that *_that membership ceased to exist in 1991_* when the USSR ceased to exist (as per 1947 UN ruling, affirmed 1962, applied in 1992)? And that the U N is in breach of it's own Charter by allowing a non-member to vote? - Is she aware that this breach can be cured by a *_simple majority of General Assembly votes_* (Article 18(3) *_(not of members:_* abstentions aren't counted ( GA Rule 126)) to acknowledge the truth and expel R's representatives? - Is she aware that that matter is *_outside the jurisdiction of the U N S C_* (which is limited by Articles 4-6 and 24 of the Charter) - Permanent Members' votes are not even required? Please let me know. I am happy to provide full details and evidence if she is not aware of this.

[@W_Bin]

*Here’s the resolution to reclaim the UN (self explanatory):* *_Recalling_* the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, *_Considering_* that compliance with the Charter of the United Nations is essential both for the protection of the Charter and for the cause that the United Nations must serve under the Charter, *_Recognising_* that "the USSR as a subject of international law and a geopolitical reality no longer exists", as acknowledged and declared by Russia on 8 December 1991, in the Belavezha Accord (confirmed on 21 December 1991 in the Alma Ata Declaration), and accordingly the USSR memberships of the United Nations and all organisations related to it, have lapsed and no longer exist _[1947 6th Committee determination]._ *_Recognising_* that states cannot continue memberships of other states that have ceased to exist _[A/RES/47/1, SC/RES/777, 1992],_ and accordingly the entire foundation of Russia's claim of membership (namely a letter, dated 24 December 1991, from Boris Yeltsin, president of a country which was not even a member of the UN), is without any legal authority, meaningless and of no effect, *_Recognising_* that Russia is not and has never been a member of the United Nations, and it's presence is a violation of the United Nations Charter _[Articles 4, 23],_ *_Decides_* to expel forthwith the representatives of Russia from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the United Nations and in all the organisations related to it.” _[A/RES/2758, passed by 59% UNGA vote, 1971]_

[@John-iy7xo]

Russia lol. The elephant in the room is her home country. Israel. More deflection but the world is wakening 😁

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

She is firm believer in "rules based order". We know who was working on dismantling UN for over 3 decades.

[@W_Bin]

@@John-iy7xo _"More deflection but the world is wakening "_ yes, Putin.

[@W_Bin]

@@BojanPeric-kq9et You did not answer my question. I take it that she has never mentioned the truth. Therefore she is a party to the destruction of the UN whether deliberately or through ignorance.

[@BoonChyeLee-hb3bi]

Just watch Lord Mervyn King’s interview by the former Australian deputy prime minister. Lord Mervyn King was a former Bank Of England Governor. He commented about the west on preaching democracy: “how can the west preach democracy where the recent UK GE where the winning party won a landslide majority despite getting fewer popular votes compared to prior GE, in France where the largest political party was virtually edged out of power by smaller groups of political parties in second round voting (not to mentioned the newly appointed PM who came from among the smaller parties) and in US , where less than 300,000 swing voters in the critical swing state will decide the outcome of the Nov 2024 presidential election!!!

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

Democracy is good as long as you like results. I find it funny when people had public marches against right wing parties. People actually voted for these parties, they didn't got their votes and parliament seats from Putin or Xi. Imagine swapped situation: right wingers marching against Greens and Liberals? Terrible, terrible.

[@timmurphy5541]

because power changed hands peacefully from a party that had been there a long time. This is what you don't see in the dictatorships - instead the same old man hangs around for decades and changes his "toilet paper constitution" to allow himself to stay even longer. I once saw a baboon drink tea from a cup and saucer which seemed very clever - but it was still a baboon and could only consume and not create.

[@Philomats]

That is brilliant. Anne Applebaum is so enlightening, clear, mind expanding. This video should be required watching for the Democratic World.

[@elaolechnowicz9251]

Thank you Anne for your work.

[@eugenek3467]

Great analysis, thank you!😊

[@BoonChyeLee-hb3bi]

Venezuela suffers because of unilateral sanctions from US

[@eulescholz8530]

Exactly, she doesn't mention it at all! To be called intelligent she should know better, or if she left it out for other motives, she is dishonest!!!

[@rjl5759]

Venezuela failed spectacularly before any sanctions were levied. Price controls and low oil prices caused them to print money like crazy which devalued the currency.

[@TheBorgrR]

Are you'll just shout stupid stuff by accident or design? How stupid do you think people are who listen to this. And for that fact... Why the hell are you here? Sod off! Trol

[@farrider3339]

Venezuela suffers because of Maduro. Get your facts straight !

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

@@rjl5759 do you think that: a) sanctions didn't influence Venezuela at all; b) sanctions actually helped Venezuela?

[@KarenPFolk-qq7dx]

So interesting!!! Thanks for presentation!

[@techcafe0]

Is the United States really a functioning democracy? Or is America a corporate plutocracy? If America is 'the best' democracy has to offer, then American democracy leaves much to be desired, and despised.

[@albwilso9]

Who is “we”? The US?

[@koala6016]

Your claim that she is articulate, dedicated and intelligent, with positive motives, doesn't necessarily mean that she's correct.

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

"Positive motives" is shaky description at best.

[@azalia423]

I definitely question her motives after reading her articles in right wing magazines.

[@richardmorrison1467]

You’re an adult, refreshing they are even having this discussion. Doubt it would ever see the light of day in Russia, China or Belarus!

[@tommystevenson2921]

She is right period... ..and its great she articulates it well and great it comes from a bright woman

[@azalia423]

@@tommystevenson2921 She's rallying support for US antagonism.

[@toni4729]

I wouldn't mind but we're constantly building up China every time we go out and buy something. We've given the whole world to China while the rest of us are looking for work now.

[@alexmirza5210]

That might suggest they have a rather efficient and stable dictatorship.

[@tahwsisiht123]

Then clean up the goverment. So they work for the people not the (US) corporations. You know how short 50 years in human history? You know how much difference we can even make in a decade? WWII ended 1945. You know how damage countries were? Not just the rubble on the street. Let's say, in 20 years, it was a different world. You could not imagine the difference in 1945. How the world can be rebuild and how it can look in 50 years depends how our goverments works for the people, not for special intrest. (Nope, I am not talking about kommunist utopia.)

[@John-iy7xo]

Quick, blame Russia or China! 😂 Anything to distract from Israel subverting America

[@heikejonassohn3492]

I try not to buy made in china products I rather by made in Germany, US, Taiwan etc. however it’s almost impossible! Is china to blame? I don’t think so, it’s the corporations who don’t want to pay fair and living wages! Also the consumer who doesn’t want to pay for quality anymore but prefers quantity!

[@tahwsisiht123]

@@heikejonassohn3492 it is so much more complex! If you don't understand it, you will be easy to manipulate and be lie to. If you really care about the future, you spend time on it. We can solve this if we vote💙 and keep going. Nobody will hand it to you, only you can decide to care and be aware. @heikejonassohn3492 if you care about the future: Google: metacrisis, Daniel Schmachtenberger, Nate Hagens and you will bump into more people. Don't believe we have no chance! First we have to vote blue, then we still have to work to make goverment work. Not buying things made in China will do nothing. Don't blame the costumers! Many live paycheck to paycheck. That is how you are being manipulated.

[@DouglasHPlumb]

In the USA, they live in a Republic. In England and Canada, we live in a constitutional monarchy. Who is this woman talking about? A democracy is when you are led by morons, not psychopaths.

[@idreeskhan2360]

The term dictator requires brain storming . Global dictatorship too seems something of much relevance. For instance, US for strategic gains has been in league with Talebans who hv ensconced behind the ill famed Doha agreement. The democratically elected Ghani govt was left in lurch and undemocratic Talebans took over. Is this not dictatorship i mean ideological or strategic demogogy? Selected distortion is a big issue. Regards. Asar ahmadzay

[@willdon.1279]

Afghanistan - Trump negotiated a virtual "surrender" - as per his boss told him, to shake trust in any Western efforts to better any situation. But, sadly, the US had, had enough...

[@idreeskhan2360]

@@willdon.1279 west instead of bolstering progressive enlightened populace and political forces has been aiding retrogressive elements , generally believed to utilize such anti peace elements against Daaesh. Enlightened pro human personalities like peace paragon Bacha Khanmay play pivotal role in peace restoration only. To rob Peter to pay Paul may serve for a short span but lasting effects for global peace are not possible with such theological scholastic approach. Recent decline in global impactful role of West seems the outcome of such lollygagging and otiose policies. Anyway thanks . Asar ahmadzay

[@cookedinlh]

Why do you NOT consider USA a theocratic autocracy when virtually all of those “traits” are easily identified in how the government stays in power🤨

[@krcalder]

She is everywhere at the moment.

[@azalia423]

So are the Protesters. I wonder how much she's being paid.

[@2804Holly]

Tell us the difference of an dictator vs democracy? In practice is the same both have elections and then when politicians take over do what the want to do.. so the difference is in the “ nice word “ democracy

[@hanspetterns2267]

It's a bit sad that the narrator is not challenging some of her views through quite obvious contrary views held by many intellectuals. We might agree that democracy is to be preferred to autocracy, at least I do, but "spreading democracy" is basically what has been USA's rationale for initiating the devastating military interventions and aggressions that the US has conducted of which Iraq might be one of the worst, with the most horrendous consequense. We far too seldom hear a clear anaysis in hindsight of what the US actually has accomplished through their wars spreading democracy in e.g. Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. What was accomplished through all those lost american and other lives?

[@ELL289]

@johnm7267- You seem very ill informed regarding Gaza’s history. I don’t think Anne is a fan of Netanyahu or how this is going down. Being Jewish has little to do with it. Hamas and the leadership hide out in Qatar, no Arab countries will allow Palestinian immigration. They’ve used their own people as hostages for decades.

[@trinleywangmo]

It certainly looks like a tactic this many years on.

[@brianquigley1940]

"There are Arab countries not trying to undermine democracy." Which ones?

[@tomhermens7698]

None.

[@brianquigley1940]

@@tomhermens7698 Meaning ALL Arab countries are actively undermining democracy and democratic countries...

[@azalia423]

None are committing genocide.

[@brianquigley1940]

@@azalia423 what about Saudi Arabia against Yemen?

[@louiskelemen8867]

Keep up the hard work. The planet is competitive and all sides needs representation. We need all sides to be represented and you've found an area that needs to be looked at. USA has had their way for many years, but now others want to take the lead. This makes for interesting times.

[@weejph]

What you described applies to US and NATO against the whole world.

[@TheBorgrR]

That is an opinion, not shared by many. And sounds more like propagandist deflection.

[@voncarniola]

Was Churchill, whose policies are blamed for the 1943 famine in India, in which 3 million people died, an autocrat? Is British imperialism and tens of millions of forcibly subjugated, enslaved and murdered colonial inhabitants a reflection of a democratic or autocratic culture?

[@NorseMythology-c3z]

that was then, this is now. I love trolls from russia, china, et al.

[@luciddoggo5094]

@@NorseMythology-c3z lol anne appelbaum makes up stories about mythical genocides in the ussr to attack russia but we can't talk about the historical lineage of the modern west

[@LuciannaG123]

The usa has invaded or bombed over 50 countries since WWII. Is the usa a terrorist state?

[@glasgowmcglasgowfacevotegr7049]

1) Yes, he was but I’m sure he/the British killed way more than that, 2) it’s a reflection of a deeply ethno-fascist autocratic state. The UK became arguably Democratic in about , what, 1970s ?

[@GlasPthalocyanine]

Churchill was part of a class that still believes they are *born to rule* . We don't have full democracy in the UK. We only get to vote for the best of a bad bunch that the establishment wants to see in power.

[@reggiegoodwin7635]

Has the rule of law changed in other countries similar to the Supreme Court redefining “money as free speech?” The setting up of a network requires a compliant, and corrupt judiciary.

[@karinearakelian1897]

Thank you!

[@louisfifteen]

I'm not a christian, but this bible quote fits her and her new book: How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' while there is still a beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

[@ashrafalam6075]

Respected Madam, I am from Pakistan and 70+. Will read your book ASAP. However would like to share my thoughts about your discussions. It's half truth and half false. Exactly they are not friends, why West created Wars/ Dictator Ship/ Anarchy in rest of the world. Who has installed Puppet governments. Who and why supportin😢Autocratic governments. Iran before 79, Afghanistan before 79, and further unlimited Regime Changes. Why African nations in these conditions, Officially Slavery has finished but Regulated Slavery developed, Immigration Mental Slavery. Why not strengthen Political/ Financial institutions in developing/ under developed countries. The situation is have/ haven't. Till today West hasn't blocked VESTED INTEREST. You mentioned the name of various countries are not Angeles but Not enemies. Make them friends, then what happened ro big military complex Still War is the Biggest Business. Emphasise on economic development in various regions of the world like China is doing .

[@lokos737]

@@ashrafalam6075 China is doing??? Autocratic US and autocratic China in this moment have financial trade of 1.3 billion dayly! War is the ‘best’ business? What a terrible ignorance?! I SURVIVED a war, not as as a soldier, but as a human, so you mumble about a ‘great’ business? Did Roosevelt do a wrong thing joining the allies in WW2? 80 percent of you even don’t know what was the reason of that war? And at the end-get lost and go in Russia and criticize Putin the same as US! You will soon finish in Siberia or somewhere worse! Your ignorance, people is your bliss!! ‘Where did you go? Nowhere? What did you hear? Nothing! What did you learn? Nothing! Who are you? No one’! So don’t go to Russia! Go in Sri Lanka or Zimbabwe and there find the truth!! Imbeciles!!

[@lokos737]

@@ashrafalam6075 Dear, you are yesterday born! Problems of African people belong completely to African people who didn’t know how to fight for themselves!!

[@lokos737]

@@ashrafalam6075 China?? What a f, you know about China??

[@jeromehaymaker5071]

China is going broke in development of their worldwide network. Placing capital investments in places that can't return benefits or value added is folly. Just because you had a big idea doesn't garrentee it will work in the future.

[@boga2]

My intelligence got 5th rooted watching this interview.

[@GabrieleWahl-Multerer-x2f]

Why do we need a common vision of the world which actually is the vision of the US?

[@Ashley-uk4ld]

An excellent thorough analysis of the 'dark' forces in the world today!

[@keithwalker6892]

Good overview of the Autocratic Rhetoric Scene

[@karlkerr7348]

She sits on board of NED, say no more.....

[@arkyark8]

What is NED?

[@べりーぶるー]

⁠@@arkyark8The National Endowment for Democracy🙄 It tells everything…

[@cryptorenegade1406]

NED is not an NGO, it's an extension of the cia lol

[@azalia423]

Right wing.

[@anushasrinivasan402]

The intersection with kleptocrats would be interesting

[@andreataylor7135]

When Anne speaks of the US founding fathers and the US electoral college system, I just can't get my head around how the electoral college voting system was ever tolerated. The electoral college count often goes heavily against, or in the opposite direction to the real popular votes for the President. Why would there have ever have been an electoral system that perverts and corrupts the election count results, if 82 million people vote for nominee one, and 76 million voted for nominee two, if loser nominee actually two faired better in just a small handful of preset priority states, then that loser wins the Presidential election, never mind that their nominee lost the actual election by 6 or 7 million votes, we the people in reality have no real say in who actually becomes President. Sounds like a corrupt electoral system that has always been open to abuse. Yet we see still see the US as the lighthouse, or shining light of the world's democracies. I never will understand why the electoral college system hadn't been scrapped, the US constitution has been modified before, times change.

[@chrisc990]

Feels very surface. If you want to win the battle of ideology then you have to have a core plan of values for yourself.

[@space_bong]

This woman is part of the problem and she can't even see it..

[@John-iy7xo]

She's very aware. She's hardly going to come out and admit it is she

[@azalia423]

She sees it. A cold, entitled, ruthless operative.

[@EyesFoward]

The US that owns 80% of military bases around the world and its allies that actually kick cultures of their own to achieve that.

[@griffcook97]

Despite all the gaslighting I honestly think being a Gay Man is really bloody hard in this world

[@thomasbenian4701]

The whole discussion is framed wrong. We need to start from the position that all political systems are there at the current state of development due to historico-cultural factors. They are all legitimate. In fact it does not even make sense to talk about legitimacy. Rather, this is, what is and it is for a reason.Where there is opposition to the regime (BTW they are all regimes) it is also due to historico-cultural factors. Yes, democracy is the most successful outcome. However, democracy comes in, in a spectrum of types and styles and that applies to all states on this planet. Our job is to learn, to understand, to cooperate and trade. All this, we the good, they the bad, black and white, does not work. Try gray.

[@anizakaryan2377]

If this was a 10 years ago, it would have been more believable. Now she sounds ridiculous . I don't think she is this ignorant, so the deduction is that she lies knowingly, and even people from the west finally start to see what others knew all along . Or maybe i give too much credit to her and western population and this is just pure stupidity.

[@timmurphy5541]

we see people who want to enjoy the fruits of democracy without accepting any loss of power. It's like those gentlemen in Africa who make helicopters out of bits of junk metal from the scrapyard - an imitation of the form without any understanding of how it is really achieved.

[@joshhawks7231]

Bla bla bla

[@pastyman001]

Vietnam may be looking to trade more with us in the West but they have corrupt customs, who charge excessive duty and size shipments when it is not paid. A huge barrier to trade.

[@davidcanatella4279]

I appreciate Applebaum for her dedicated assembly of this important material so we can better understand the machinations of the NATO cartel whom she describes in wonderful detail. She has compiled a very useful handbook for navigating Spookville. Thanks again, Applesauce 😉

[@azalia423]

Her propaganda. Spookville, so you don't see what's taken over American government.

[@Daguerreotypiste]

ಬೇಗ ಅಥವಾ ನಂತರ ಎಲ್ಲರೂ ನಮ್ಮಂತೆಯೇ ಇರಲು ಬಯಸುತ್ತಾರೆ! ನಿಜವಾಗಿಯೂ?

[@Sandlynn2]

Where's Part 2?

[@kolasinskipiotr]

If US keep sanctions on Venezuela for not selling their national resources to US corporations then of course they will trade with Iran. Write the book on US imperial wrongdoings throughout the centuries, Anne, then speak about democracy.

[@rickdhansen]

Sounds to me like what is happening in the West today....

[@azalia423]

Zionism

[@rosscann6461]

Fascinating revelations.

[@christophfrei9578]

WARMONGER

[@emil.jansson]

Interesting talk.

[@MarianneSchumacher-i4p]

The brilliant Anne A has the capacity to read minds! She knows exactly what "they" think without proof or reference. Incredible.

[@stuartlightley3760]

Russians in the comments already? 😮

[@brospartacus5069]

*Russia, Russia, Russia, indeed. Nice to see the programming working. Shalom.*

[@mk.adairne]

@@brospartacus5069 Шабат шалом, православные!

[@Andre99328]

Yea, Russian trolls here, who make absurd statements, which, btw, was a topic in this video. Quod errat demonstrandum. 😅

[@Andre99328]

@@lancejohnson127 that is not what I said, if you can read. However, saying Appelvaum has blood on her hands, or the USA is no democracy, and other very cryptic comments are trolls, from Russia, China or any other autocracy; OR from brainwashed leftist from the 1970s or their successors in mind, who believe in all the Soviet propaganda lies.

[@redatticus7606]

Mate, having a different view today in America means one is Russian! Which world are you living in, wake up! The world is not 1990s anymore. American unilateral power and dominance will not stand in the face of rising powers. America needs to adopt a different strategy to look after its interests. Theres no Good vs Evil here, it doesnt exist.

[@aquelpibe]

An excellent analysis. Thank you Ms Applebaum.

[@diagorasofmelos5190]

Will part 2 get uploaded?

[@star-gs9kh]

It's always nonsense.

[@Shaggy-839two]

This woman has been doing the rounds recently. She is living in an american past of thr 80's. Not an ounce of honour, integrity, or morality.

[@matthewfergusons4318]

Reminds me of the tears and fears song everyone is weird rule the world

[@PeterMsk2023]

No democracy is truly secure because humans, like all animals, are inherently driven by self-preservation. At the heart of this instinct is the belief that 'without me (my own existence), the world as I know it ceases to exist.' This fundamental egoism often impels individuals to prioritise personal interests over the collective good, posing a persistent threat to the stability and integrity of democratic institutions. This tension arises from the fact that we live in a conditional, dualistic universe, where my dreams and aspirations for democracy-and the well-being of others-are inseparably linked to my own survival. The delicate balance between individual self-interest and collective progress is influenced by both (internal) innate instincts and (external) environmental factors. These forces are further intertwined with social concepts of fairness and equality, deeply rooted in our sense of self-worth and ego. Human instincts seldom drive us toward rational, logical behaviour. Yet, in the 21st century, many people have learned to navigate these challenges through the principles of 'give and take' and 'rights and responsibilities,' fostering fairness and equality through compromise and mutual benefit.

[@TheHairlessGibbon]

I believe humanity is dumbing down in that the shallow depth politicians have to go to steer democracy and have us perceive the things we hold dear are threatened in the guise of monsters or beguiling us with the equivalent of shinny beads and axe heads. Democracy has been railroaded.

[@gerhardvanderpoll7378]

Hornets attack each other's nests to eliminate the other.....regardless of the presence or absence of any specific distinguishable consciousness or philosophy.....it is all locked up in the drive of the genes for survival and dominance....regardless of which species is represented/carried by the genes....logic is subject to,and in the service of the instruction code of the genes to whatever level of simplicity or complication......in this sense the behaviour of homo sapiens sapiens is locked in predeterminately ....with internal power and status levels and functions per opposing group....sad but true.....this natural state can not be overcome by the application of logic,as logic is the servant of the basic emotions of the species,and not the other way around.....The human condition is a trap with only one exit,being death...

[@tahwsisiht123]

Let me know where did non dualistic thinkers ruled and lead the population to nirvana? Like which historical periode in Japan? When was the ruller so enlightened that no selfintrest existed? As soon as they leave their meditation cushion, they live in duality. We have to make *this* world fair by rules that make it fair. There are people who are more selfish than others, more controlling and down right criminal. They will not disapear. No matter how much you meditate. We have to inforce the laws we create so they are meaningful. We have to protect fairness, so decent people can live and be safe from exploitation. People can work and be paid a fair wage. It is dangerous to create a docile system and disempower people when there always will be opressors and advantage takers. If you make people docile, you endanger them and their families.

[@PeterMsk2023]

@@tahwsisiht123 Repeat…. …..This tension arises from the fact that we live in a conditional, dualistic universe, where my dreams and aspirations for democracy-and the well-being of others-are inseparably linked to my own survival. The delicate balance between individual self-interest and collective progress is influenced by both innate instincts and ENVIRONMENTAL factors…..

[@tahwsisiht123]

@@PeterMsk2023 repeat: it will only be estabilished by laws. Because as soon someone leaves their meditation cushion, they are in the dualistic world. Tell me, show me when did it work. Even in cultures where it is their religion. You will not get rid off individuals who are exploitative. You can create an environment where we can curb their power and we support everybody from exploitation. It does not need ☯️. You are more than welcome to practice it. But religion in itself doesn't change the hearts of those who don't have one.

[@psikeyhackr6914]

Do economists who ignore planned obsolescence and say nothing about the depreciation of durable consumer goods want to wreck the world?

[@DanaVastman]

No, they're just greedy psychopaths. This is why psychopaths should be barred from any corporate or political control.

[@BojanPeric-kq9et]

@@DanaVastman and that goes against democracy and everyone's right to be nominated or to start business.

[@azalia423]

Zionism.

[@Ithinkthereforeiam-ph9nb]

@@azalia423 Such ignorant racism on your behalf to be blaming Zionism. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MatthewPendleton-kh3vj]

@@BojanPeric-kq9et And so on we march towards the cliff.

[@andrekeefer2034]

One should remind Anne that the World History never was democratic.

[@DouglasHPlumb]

The books "Political Ponerology" and my book "The Asshole Problem" contain explanations. We are being over run by psychopaths and assholes. Can anyone argue that?