How dangerous is it for independent journalists in Russia? | DW News

Authorities in Russia have detained two Russian journalists on charges of extremism, accusing them of working for a banned group founded by the late opposition leader Alexei Navalny.
The two men - Sergey Karelin and Konstantin Gabov - both deny the charges, and could face years in prison if convicted. They both worked for Deutsche Welle before the channel was banned and expelled from Russia. Navalny's movement is designated by Russian authorities as an "extremist" group, meaning his staff and supporters can face prosecution.
For more on this, we talk to Sergey Lukashevsky. He is the head of the Andrey Saharov Center for human rights in Berlin.
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[@WingMan1964]

Nobody should be going to Russia for any reason.

[@ScottishAtheist]

They were russian. Did you even watch the video?

[@w1113zuch]

😂 канешна 😂

[@tasreasfatemsa8266]

Human rights is the most double standard word in this world.

[@burns281981]

Why do you think it is the most?

[@kevinjenner9502]

Obviously far more dangerous for all journalists in Gaza.

[@ScottishAtheist]

Zzzzzz Zzzzzz.....

[@burns281981]

How so? Let's see if Kevin can respond or if it will only be random others speaking on Kevin's behalf.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

What a non point

[@PerceivedREALITY999]

Free Assange! "When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals." ~ Edward Snowden

[@kainv.9221]

The same, Edward Snowden, who was gifted at luxury apartment in Moscow by the Russian government?)

[@kensuz]

@kainv.9221 Yes, the same Edward Snowden who exposed that the US government was spying on its people and the world.

[@kareemi7080]

isn’t the point that europe is an open society and has democratic values?? Once you question that they’ll compare themselves to the “dictatorships” and say see at least we aren’t like them…😆😆.Nobody has even mistaken Russia or parts of Asia for having the same democratic values as Europe…Europe and the west do that.

[@user-sk6qj9yf6w]

@@kainv.9221 You envy silently

[@jec_ecart]

Dictatorship.

[@neilnelson7603]

Meanwhile Isreal kills over 100 independent journalists and you're silent. It says a lot about so called western democracy.

[@artman12]

The DW Goebells network won’t even allow RT or Sputnik in their country/satellite countries.

[@Jezar7]

Cry more Ivan... 😂 .

[@icu17siberia]

Russians don't even believe those stations, thats why you all come here for information

[@claus-not-santa]

@@Jezar7Why? Because he is right?

[@kareemi7080]

@@Jezar7 europe really sacrifices it’s own values to fight their enemy but then also uses the excuse of “Russia and others are bad” to justify diminishing their own values. Israel does the same, because believing your morally superior gives you that ability to crack down on the basis of your country’s moral superiority. We paint Russia and China as not morally superior so when they crack down we don’t see the hypocrisy as we do from the west.

[@user-kk5cv1rs5r]

@@Jezar7 European media are streaming from Moscow, but not the vice versa. why ?? so much for the European freedom of speech Democracy

[@bigboss.800]

If Germany is free country, then why banned RT ?

[@Rod732]

Because we don't accept lies you bot

[@neilnelson7603]

​@@Rod732So, you silence them and get upset when Russia silence your journalists?

[@SNkumar-cy7xq]

​​@@Rod732more then DW?

[@adnanalikhan6890]

Because they're American puppies. They only bark when their master tells them to.

[@user-kk5cv1rs5r]

@@Rod732 that is not how democracy works. EU are authoritarian states.

[@uvikir3547]

Remember Gonzalo Lira? He is dead now! So how dangerous is it for independent journalists in Ukraine?

[@MsLUFC]

I followed him, he had health problems for a long time, his health was really bad. He was warned several times to leave, he didnt, so they jailed him for pushing russian disinformation inside Ukraine. He was not bright

[@ronnie5329]

He was already very ill. And warned several times to leave

[@carolinerondon8934]

When you got the lungs of a 90 year old chain smoker, you might want to just not push those type of information war, when warned multiple times. Not a bright guy

[@notastone4832]

@@ronnie5329 he tried to leave, and they said he tried to flee the country and jailed him again.. then he was found dead in his cell. dude had an american passport.. if ukraine will do that to him they would do it to you if you dare stand in the way of their lies.

[@reym7140]

Nothing new...

[@JasondeCordoba]

People who work for state owned media are actually propagandists not journalists. Jullian Assange is a Journalist.

[@Stebetto3]

That pretty much covers the whole russian media 😂

[@josephshields2922]

@@Stebetto3 DW BBC PBS and Ukraine

[@ronnie917]

​@@josephshields2922Sure bro, its the same. 🤡

[@happymelon7129]

He is lucky not in GZ. --or already X by.. 1 D F

[@claus-not-santa]

@@Stebetto3When have you been in Russia?

[@MsLUFC]

Russia looking more and more like North K.

[@happymelon7129]

He is lucky not in GZ. --or already X by.. 1 D F

[@fritzraake22]

@@happymelon7129 Says the rotten melon.

[@artman12]

Looking more like the EU and the US. Can’t tell the difference.

[@claus-not-santa]

LOL, you have NEVER visited neither Russia nor Korea!

[@neilnelson7603]

What about Isreal killing 100 journalists? Are they still a beacon of democracy?

[@red_rabbit31]

> DW journalist >independent It's a joke, isn't it?

[@j.e3651]

Lmao bro as a European. I feel insulted really. I mean, obviously DW does nothiing more then sharing opinions, that is not journalism. And there is no place for alternative voices unless in certain settings. Again it is a journalists task to have multiple opinions fight eachother. How dumb do they think we are.

[@kareemi7080]

Duh don’t you know Germans also lost their ability to think for themselves after the Holocaust? There is more free speech in some arab countries than there is in Germany. No such thing as an independent German journalist.

[@adnanalikhan6890]

@@j.e3651 Extremely

[@adnanalikhan6890]

He should know better to respect local laws. But I think he did it for some promotion or something. Now he probably learnt his lesson and won't break anymore laws in the future.

[@GongGhuru]

How dangerous it is for journalists in Israel genocide

[@awalii21]

Its so dangerous, they killed hundred of journalists

[@user-kk5cv1rs5r]

their career destroyed

[@burns281981]

Wow the poor English really hurt some people in their comments. They don't grasp how badly they grasp the understanding of the words they use. Like watching a child play with a loaded gun.

[@Propakistani1224]

Lol ...European lacture Russia on freedom of speech And free press😂😂😂

[@katzensindweich3505]

Russia will never listen. Too far gone into a failed state. Russia is beyond help.

[@MsLUFC]

In Russia you get prisontime for criticism towards the war in Ukraine. They dont have any freedom of speech. Does a pakistani know anything about europe?

[@MsLUFC]

In Russia you get 10 years in jail for being against the "special operation"

[@claus-not-santa]

@@MsLUFCWho has told you this nonsense?

[@kareemi7080]

@@MsLUFCisn’t the point that europe is an open society and has democratic values?? Once you question that they’ll compare themselves to the “dictatorships” and say see at least we aren’t like them…😆😆.Nobody has even mistaken Russia or parts of Asia for having the same democratic values as Europe…Europe and the west do that.

[@GarnetNewfree]

Let's ask Julian Assange he might know?

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Ask him

[@GarnetNewfree]

Do you mind mate, I'm on the phone to Edward Snowden

[@DSan-kl2yc]

@@GarnetNewfree what do you think would happen to him if he had done that in Russia? Assassination probably. Nelvany didn't do squat and he's six feet under. Democratic governments aren't flawless. But they give people the ability to fight back, discuss. There's no comparison to Russia.

[@GarnetNewfree]

Keeping up with the news even the American cia believes nelvaly died not murdered, he wasn't lazarus ey

[@GarnetNewfree]

You mean like Gonzalo Lira American journalist died in a Ukrainian police station?

[@user333-us4qz]

How dangerous is Independent journalist in Ukriane and Gaza or the Westbank 🤣🤷‍♂️🙄

[@burns281981]

Would you be able to explain how they differ in English? Just wondering if you are capable of thought.

[@HectorSantos-fi9xm]

How independent is DW?

[@carolinerondon8934]

They cover all stores, and do it better than most outlets. So id say, pretty independent

[@josephshields2922]

100 cheerleading war.

[@HectorSantos-fi9xm]

@@carolinerondon8934, thanks, but most of the time gives the impression of openly bias.

[@TheTwangKings]

Trollski what do you know about independence 😂😂😂

[@neilnelson7603]

​@@carolinerondon8934I haven't seen them talk of the 100 journalists killed in Gaza by Isreal. I guess they're not independent as you may portray them?

[@happymelon7129]

Is a joke to call him "independent journalists." When his is from state midia

[@Robert-xy4xi]

Well Amnesty International are not allowed to operate in Western Ukraine! When AI said that Kiev forces were deliberately using civilian buildings, Zelenskiy forced them out!

[@argelmtz]

Is much worst being a palestinian supporter in Germany

[@georgekung2003utube]

DW pls send your reinforcement journalist to fight for freedom and justice. Pls send all your journalist

[@louistan7560]

There is no such thing as "independent journalists." The days of story-telling have passed.

[@happymelon7129]

He is more lucky than Gonzalo Lira. Gonzalo Lira already X in Youkrain.

[@neilnelson7603]

And the 90 journalists killed in Gaza by Isreal

[@user-kk5cv1rs5r]

Gonzalo Lira was literally slowly murdered by the Youkrina secret service

[@Sportclub18]

What the heck are you doing there anyways???

[@tomas6179]

DW why don’t you make a report about Gonzalo Lira that died in Ukraines prison because he was reporting about Ukraine. USA citizen. And how little USA did to free him (nothing)

[@jackoh5134]

Is it more dangerous than in occupied Palestine?

[@leet3207]

How dangerous is it for independent journalists in Russia? - not as dangerous as in Gaza. That said are these journalists really independent? Do they have a western agenda that they are pushing etc?

[@slavenaljinovic1162]

What about Julian Assange?

[@archyarchfiendx2938]

Dw propagandist

[@user-mc3ie6of4n]

Prayer for him

[@adnanalikhan6890]

Should have respected local laws then. Can't imagine a journalist being so irresponsible.

[@happymelon7129]

He is lucky not in GZ. --or already X by.. 1 D F

[@katzensindweich3505]

This is horrific. Free them immediately!!! 😢

[@Tea_with_lemon.]

Why?

[@claus-not-santa]

You mean as quick as Assange will be free??

[@josephshields2922]

Maybe these are no accidents. Someone maybe trying to tell them to do as we ask.

[@trevorstanding6462]

You have to be very brave in Putins Russia to be a journalist of any kind.

[@claus-not-santa]

Why?

[@trevorstanding6462]

@@claus-not-santa open windows, Novichok and being a journalist comes to mind.

[@claus-not-santa]

@@trevorstanding6462 When have you been in Russia last time?

[@trevorstanding6462]

@@claus-not-santa where have you been living for the last 2 years -- on the moon ?

[@myboysd5772]

@@claus-not-santa You dont have to pretend you dont know what he is talking about.

[@sankadon2538]

❤🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇱🇰🇱🇰🇱🇰❤🇷🇺🇷🇺

[@bartmacaluso]

We don't have an appreciation for just how sensitive things are for the Germans 😃. I mean look how in the name of journalism "their people" are imprisoned in Russia! 😂 But true to form the Germans must give lip service to their "endeavors" should they run afoul of a complication that endangers the IMAGE they want to maintain for themselves.

[@markm.9731]

There are a lot of independent journalists in Russia, especially among war journalists, but there is one common thing among them, they are pro-Russian. Not anti-Russian propagandists sponsored by Western funds. Off course if you are working for enemies of Russia, you will have problems. I think this true for any country.

[@adnanalikhan6890]

Exactly. What was he thinking 🤔. He was probably doing it for some big promotion or something. But now he learnt he needs to respect local laws.

[@francozheng5617]

" independent" 😂

[@spipo1903]

good decision by russia western jounalism is double standard

[@VivalaryMan]

Oh well, what can you do? They knew the risks, anyway..

[@archyarchfiendx2938]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂

[@ronnie917]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@archyarchfiendx2938]

@@ronnie917 yes they are. You are too lol

[@icu17siberia]

This is why Russians come to this channel. Information is lacking in Russia

[@claus-not-santa]

When have you been in Russia last time?

[@marisabenson1222]

Taurus Taurus Taurus

[@claus-not-santa]

TAUNUS TAUNUS TAUNUS

[@w1113zuch]

😂 нашли где лазать 😂

[@ashokindian36]

😂🎉 collection of documents 😂🎉

[@LuV2SPDup]

No one should go do any journalism in Russia.

[@LuV2SPDup]

@@suportbghelp4938, no money is worth rotting in Russia. Average citizens are rotting away, and they are not even in prison.

[@srve1149]

"Journalism" yea right.

[@claus-not-santa]

@@LuV2SPDupHave you ever been in Russia?

[@LuV2SPDup]

@claus-not-santa , I've been to Moscow in the late 1980s, a few times. I've been there in 2006 as well. In 2006, I was there after living in the US since 1991, and honestly, I didn't have a good experience. People were very rude and obnoxious. There were nice people as well that I met, but mostly, they were rude. Maybe because of my accent. Originally, I was born in western Ukraine, so I speak Ukrainian and Hungarian. I do speak Russian fluently, but I always had an accent, even when living in the USSR. I've also been to Leningrad, and I visited many places there.

[@claus-not-santa]

@@LuV2SPDup I was not allowed to visit Eastern Block countries as I have been NATO soldier with highest security class when I was living 5 years in Finland I in 2002 decided to visit St. Petersburg. I was very disappointed when I came there........in positive way!! NOTHING there was like I thought it should be according to my NATO indoctrination ! After my first visit I started doing a lot of very nice business in Russia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan and travelled a lot and met many people, both in business and private as I never stayed in hotel, but rented a furnished apartment. When I became 60 I sold my company to 2 of my skilled employees and since that I visit Russia as often as I can as tourist. In summers I use to stay 2-3 months and travel around with my own car. Last trip was 18.732 km in Russia plus 2 times 4.500 km from home and back again. In 2022 I bought a new apartment in Caucasus and use it as base for my travels.