ICJ ruling on Rafah: What does it mean for the Gaza 'genocide' case | DW News

The International Court of Justice in The Hague has ordered Israel to stop its military offensive in the city of Rafah in southern Gaza. The UN's top court described the humanitarian situation there as disastrous and ordered Israel to allow unhindered access of aid. But Israeli politicians have rejected the ruling, saying that operations against Hamas - a group considered a terrorist organization by multiple countries - will continue. Though ICJ orders are legally binding, the court has no police or military force to enforce them.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro and report
02:56 Marc Weller, Professor of International Law (University of Cambridge)
09:50 Mary Ellen O'Connell, International Law Expert
18:20 Alissa Pavia, Atlantic Council
24:18 Michael Lynk, Law Professor (University of Western Ontario)
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[@AA-vr8ez]

Germany is complicit.

[@JG-xi4tu]

By feeding Gaza?

[@dbbrainer]

@@JG-xi4tu Germany does not feed Gaza. Let us not be hipocrites.

[@absolutedivineNYC]

@@JG-xi4tuyou think Germany is friends of the people of Gaza? Don’t be so silly and naive. Germany is on the wrong side of history. Again.

[@JG-xi4tu]

@@dbbrainer Check UNRWA funding for example. Do numbers not match your prefered reality?🤷🏻‍♂️

[@JG-xi4tu]

@@absolutedivineNYC Germany only wants the best for both sides. This makes doing "the right thing" pretty f-in hard when both sides kill each other. Germany sent a ton of support to Gaza, long before the war. We also support Israel and fight for its right to exist, which most of its neighbours still did nit accept. What exactly do you want us to do? We just want these guys to all make peace with each other!

[@rodrigoescalante5456]

Will Germany keep sending weapons to Israel to destroy Gaza?

[@JG-xi4tu]

Looking at the numbers, it seems we already did.

[@Hussain8216]

Is quite difficult to know the Western policy. They enormously double standard in their politics. They can always find some loopholes to send arms to Israel, but they will never do it publicly again

[@taniaherbst9783]

A question we all want answered.... As well as how do Germans feel about Palestinians paying for their murderous past???

[@JG-xi4tu]

@@Hussain8216 That is wrong. Germany has very strong standards. Just check the numbers of approoved weapons exports to israel in 2023 VS 2024. Germany is guided by its principles of peace. It's just damn hard to act correctly, when both sides in this conflict try and hurt each other. We just want them to live peacefully.

[@JG-xi4tu]

@@taniaherbst9783 You akready have the answer but apparently refuse to look up the numbers. What are the amounts of approved weapons exports to israel 2023 VS 2024? We just want both sides to live in peace. Palestinians pay for the inability of the *local* players to make peace, not for european history lol. We managed to put aside our differences. So should the people in the middle east.

[@marshathomas6422]

South Africa is hard at work

[@simba8665]

And the Europeans always on the wrong side of history

[@anthony64632]

South african government is lazy at work

[@marshathomas6422]

@@deanscholtz2138 like which country with no issues?

[@Rian80s]

That when a country learns their history,

[@anthony64632]

@@simba8665 African is also wrong side of history

[@nanomunu]

DW your journalism is shameful, trying to always defend and justify Israel’s war crimes

[@JG-xi4tu]

No? In this very video the experts were very clear. DW is doing a great job. They just bring every side's argument, but don't argue when the experts demolish the israeli ones.

[@amm28403]

Prof. O'Connell hits the right point here. 10:59 - 11:26: "An all-out war under the UN Charter's recognition of the right of self-defense cannot be waged on a zone of occupation by the occupier."

[@nuqwestr]

Hamas is the "occupier", they staged a military coup on 14 June 2007. They are a terrorist group occupying land under PA administration. Israel is not defending itself from the PA, but the occupying power, HAMAS.

[@SeanChYT]

Gaza wasn't occupied on October 7, hadn't been since the end of 2005. The world cannot live with the new norm that a large terrorist group (accompanied by hundreds of civilians) can venture into a neighboring country, rape, torture and murder thousands of people and then withdraw with hundreds of hostages and claim UN protection so no one can attack them afterwards. This simply cannot stand. No country would accept this. The hypocrisy and anti-Israel bias seen globally is rampant and despicable.

[@rosih.5716]

Exactly! 🎯

[@werusf5846]

only thing is, Gaza isn't occupied since 2005. I'm sure the distinguished prof knows that, but somehow fails to mention it. Gaza isn't even under siege as some love to claim. it has a border with Egypt. if the Egyptian doesn't want to open their border with Gaza, well, that rasies a question of "why?"

[@jamesabcd2266]

I'm so surprised that German calendar starts from Oct. 7th.

[@SeanChYT]

October 7th happened (and is still ongoing), no matter when in history you care to start keeping score.

[@SomeDude-gn8kc]

Germany is on the wrong side of history yet again

[@chestnuthoss]

Hey, you forgot Pukin's birthday!

[@Internetdev]

En espérant effacer leur ardoise de la nuit de cristal, l'Allemagne en soutient une autre. Alors soit ils sont minables, soit Israël qui a espioner nombre de dirigeants européens (Pegasus / Predator / Reign (dont on a peu entendu parler)) et de journalistes (certain étant des perroquets proches des pouvoirs) a suffisemment collecté de données sur eux pour les tenir.

[@mariahewitt9787]

Those who Don't Learn from History, are Doomed to Repeat it....

[@RazorMouth]

Wake up America

[@houseofdiamonti]

🇺🇸♥️🇮🇱

[@RazorMouth]

@@houseofdiamonti 🤣 2 courts after you 🤦‍♂️

[@houseofdiamonti]

@@RazorMouth The ruling of the ICJ holds no weight. If it did, the hostages would be freed as ordered by the court.

[@russellhammond371]

We were largely appalled by the genocidal actions of Hamas, intentional torture, rape and murder of civilians (not collateral damage). If not for their overwhelmingly sadistic attack, Americans wouldn't support Israel as much in this war. You can place the blame squarely on Hamas for thinking attacking a larger neighbor, then hiding behind their wives and children, was a smart and moral decision.

[@JerryBuba-ni9wd]

You can't wake up someone who is widely awake

[@ebanomistico]

What about Rusia ?

[@zabikhilloazimov4919]

We made so many laws. And every time when a war happens, we forget about that all. We seek benefit from it by selling weapons, condemning laws that hold our humanity.

[@Morgan-ge6nv]

DW don't you know ICJ from ICC?

[@oXogon80]

German media and politicians will know the difference by heart, once they go after accomplices.😊

[@amn5341]

DW is usually in full support for the disaster but now DW is pretending to be nice here. Looks like International courts have made DW to mind its support.

[@bannersxyz]

Isn't that ICJ?? Not ICC

[@petracastro6021]

Yes, two different courts ICJ: genocide ICC: war crimes and crimes against humanity

[@mariahewitt9787]

Shame on Shatanyahu...Shame on Israel...

[@Balweg205]

Shame on you🤬

[@mariahewitt9787]

@@Balweg205 "Never Again "means Never Again!!

[@TheStormtrooper00]

I don't think shame factor is of relevance for them.

[@gregmac2392]

Stop interrupting her

[@mariahewitt9787]

Offended by Everything, Ashamed of Nothing...

[@xyzain_1827]

Lol that is the ICJ not the ICC. DW.. What are you doing

[@halloumi420]

Yeah I thought what does cricket have to do with the war

[@absolutedivineNYC]

Germany loves being on the wrong side of history

[@Internetdev]

Like France, exept onthe 2nd Irak War (but Villepin were not coming from a politicians corrupted party - So Hollande who was supposed to be an opponent to Sarkozy was on Sarkozy's side )

[@ryuuguu01]

I was pleasantly surprised that DW News did not bring in multiple Israeli apologists as it usually does. Maybe the political climate in Germany is changing.

[@AMAECHIEZEME]

What did the court say about the hostages?

[@TheAmrthe2nd]

After 35000 dead, is 100 will make a difference to the statistics?

[@ethanmacmaster8872]

The court (ICJ) mentioned that even in other court orders earlier in the year that hamas has been ordered to release the hostages

[@Internetdev]

A propos de quels "otages" ? Ceux des arrestations arbitraires d'Israël qui fout même des enfants en prison sans procès ? Où les réservistes qu'Israël force à faire leur services militaires, et qui du coup, font d'eux des prisonniers de guerre.

[@darth3pio]

ICC or ICJ? Title needs fixing

[@ottonormalo4638]

It is ICJ this time (May, 24th). The ICC ruling was on May 20th. ICJ = Internationaler Gerichtshof - founded in 1945 ICC = Internationaler Strafgerichtshof - founded in 1998

[@darth3pio]

@@ottonormalo4638 That's what I thought, DW has the description right but the title and thumbnail wrong.

[@annaannan6840]

@@darth3pio Why? ICJ will continue to evaluate current and future evidence that is presented, and eventually rule on whether a genocide took place or not. ICC will continuously evaluate evidence against the top government/military leaders and determine which individuals are to be held responsible for enabling/committing both genocidal acts and/or other forms of war crimes…

[@JeffEbe-te2xs]

And nothing about the hostages

[@Internetdev]

Et à propos des prisoniers palestiniens incarcérés sans procès par des lois d'exeptions ? Ce sont eux aussi de otages. Et propos de la limitation des calories qu'Irsaël contrôle sur lespaletiniens ? Libérez Gaza si vous voulez qu'il n'y ait plus d'otages mais des prisoniers israëliens sans procès.

[@arundhatiidevii7026]

Icc has no power just some injustice is talking

[@Scorch428]

I ruled the sun cant come out tomorrow.

[@user-tb2jx8qd9n]

Israel never attacks first, the Arabs always attack first. Any country always has the right to defend itself against aggression and terrorism. And the one who started aggression and terror is to blame.

[@nuqwestr]

Arabs attacked in November of 1947, even before the May 1948 date of independence, and continued after killing civilians, the group then was the Fedayeen.

[@What-28-ever-3]

Dw could bring sometimes guests who say details not only headlines

[@KapuasInfo]

There is no background noise please.

[@knurrunk1683]

what will the "world court" (ICJ) do if a leader of the nation will not obey? I want to see and know how powerful is ICJ... come on!

[@goredawg777]

They do nothing. They are nothing. Just ask Putin

[@SeanChYT]

The ICJ has no police powers. They ordered Russia to stop the Ukraine war too in 2022, and absolutely nothing happened. It's just politics now. Maybe it always was.

[@gaborrajnai6213]

It took 20 years for Milosevic to be at the Hague, but at the end everybody finds himself at the Hague, when they arent useful tools anymore for the domestic politics...

[@nuqwestr]

ICC handles individuals, ICJ handles states, Gaza is not a nation/state, and although the PA has been recognized by the ICJ, Gaza was taken over from the PA in 2007 by the terrorist group, Hamas. ICJ has no jurisdiction.

[@rebeccadedi185]

May our God almighty issues the arrest warrant for the icc icj unwra un and the eu

[@olcayunver6168]

Your news title says ICC. I assume that is a glitch. The news is about ICJ.

[@tomhenry897]

Where’s the ICJ ruling for Hammas to release the hostages

[@nuqwestr]

ICJ warrant does include hostage charges, including rape and torture, but going unreported, but just read the warrant.

[@MarkRyan-fu6tt]

Aren’t they the same ones complaining about hamas having tunnels underground yet an Israeli doctor showed us a whole hospital underground right beside a tunnel 🤣🤣 hypocrites istg

[@Bob.Raf.]

ICJ, ICC and the whole international community have lost their credibility.

[@AparatorulPoporului]

Killing without law, is called genocide and crimes against humanity!

[@pingpongdonkeykongkong]

Do you even know what genocide means 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@grulochris97]

No, actually "killing without law" as you call it (I assume you mean "against" the law) is called manslaughter or, if you can prove certain circumstances like intention, it's called murder. Genocide and crimes against humanity is far different; your comment only proved to the world that you have no clue at all about all of the above. Congratulations for proving your idiocy.

[@gaborrajnai6213]

"Its not a warcrime if you win" -Sun Tzu The art of war....

[@user-yp2sc1cy1n]

He didn't say that (there wasn't a concept of war crimes) but even if he did...they're losing big time.

[@Internetdev]

Mais ils n'ont pas encore gagner.... Et il se pourrait que les crimes restent impunis même s'ils perdent. Parce qu'Israël a trop de secrets et trop de sympathisants dans les gouvernement étrangers

[@ignmorales]

There’s a deal on the table, but rejected by Israel, since they don’t want hostages back, but land does not belong to them.

[@sunrise1975italia]

What you know to who land belongs ? 4000 years Israel.

[@SeanChYT]

Your bias is showing, or perhaps it is just lack of knowledge. There was many deals on the table. None actually where LIVE hostages were to be returned in any significant number. For weeks Hamas declined every offer presented to them, and then suddenly they agreed to a new "deal" pushed by Egypt just as a PR stunt before the Rafah operation started. For sure that PR stunt worked on you and many others. Hamas probably has no more live hostages left (or hostages in good enough health to be publicly shown ever again), so they stopped negotiating because of that. It would be extremely bad PR for Hamas to return Israeli girls gang-raped and tortured to pieces.

[@tonysmith191]

@@sunrise1975italia the Palestinians have more Hebrew DNA than the European squatters.

[@whysoserious8666]

@@sunrise1975italiadon’t tell me-it’s because god gave it to them.

[@mariahewitt9787]

@@sunrise1975italia Revelation 2:9 and 3:9... Jesus Christ is KING.. . Isaiah 24~27...is Coming....

[@Sword_of_justice103]

Ridiculous!

[@joetran8798]

Allowing the military actions to continue is anti-semitic.

[@bannersxyz]

Thank you for sharing. The Safety and Security of the Palestinians is of the utmost importance. first foremost and forever.

[@kingogames1572]

Why does the title have genocide in quotes?

[@mebdoc]

The guest speaks absolute sense.

[@chazzcannon3614]

IKC. International kangaroo court.

[@rohitsiwachroit]

Spelling error. Video thumbnail says ICC instead of ICJ.

[@Haveaniceday123kick]

They wont listen and shouldnt be expected to.

[@eblita3698]

Alissa: Norway is not in the European Union. Spain and Ireland are :)

[@timothytusubira9904]

The ICC has emboldened the ICJ

[@Scorch428]

Theyre both irrelevant. No one cares. Still waiting on them to arrest Putin...

[@sebyaalexander6800]

Why hamas is not releasing the hostages? Is it they want sympathy? They are gaining from ICC & ICJ both have lost their ideology and credibility.

[@thomasbisschoff7136]

Thank you - I stand corrected. So who is going to blink first?

[@hugofdelaguila]

Are terrorists civilians ?

[@masogabi]

Can you please stop interrupting the expert!? I am trying to understand their expert opinion and your repeated interruptions do not help!

[@ROTTERDXM]

you can just take off the quotation marks chief

[@Thatrandomguy485]

Title is wrong. Its ICJ, not ICC

[@freespiritable]

The world felt the shame, of not recognizing Srebrenica as a genocide for 30 long years. Gaslighting, pampering Serbia, forcing Bosnians and Albanians to coexist and be ruled again by who killed them. This is even more dramatic. It took another genocide for them to call out the previous

[@Kingslayerrock]

Alissa pavia: when you don't know the answer, repeat the question and deflect question by answering unnecessary things which haven't asked and don't even try to ask about opinion which is absolutely absent!

[@FreddyKrueger007]

Germany 🇩🇪 and USA 🇺🇸 condemn Russia 🇷🇺 but support Israel 🇮🇱 committing war crimes in Palestine 🇵🇸 Double standards from Germany 🇩🇪 and USA 🇺🇸 Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@nuqwestr]

US does not support "war crimes" anywhere, even those supported by Turkey in the Sudan.

[@myself3209]

Germany only does what USA wants them to do, cant really blame them

[@meerkats9317]

bot

[@Master13346]

*of Hamas

[@SKBPM_ENIGMATIK]

​@@meerkats9317Nein, junge

[@salildas1232]

Not a single country has a gut to challenge Israel , all talk big

[@RazorMouth]

😂😂😂😂 We'll see, why do you think America hasnt responded yet? Israel is in for a shock tomorrow.

[@stefpix]

South Africa?

[@georgekung2003utube]

the logic is .... Israel is above US and US is above UN (supposed to be law maker)

[@michaelscott5653]

@RazorMouth U.S. will 100% veto the ruling. They won't agree to labeling Israel and Hamas as the same.

[@RazorMouth]

@@stefpix Ireland, Spain, Norway

[@joselichifiltzer8625]

And what if we dont comply? Are you going to get mad? Stop talking to us?

[@corneliuiftode1317]

While you are talking, how many civil Palestinians are massacred?

[@lorenzopombowulfes3903]

What’s with these air quotes?

[@CharlesFlato-wn2qf]

General of the Army Douglas MacArthur espoused that war should be fought to win, whatever it takes.

[@rachaelik]

And that's why none of his fellow generals thought he had a lick of wisdom or honor.

[@nuqwestr]

@@rachaelik McArthur's work in Japan after WW2 was brilliant. He was correct about Korea, but was fired. War still rages there over 70 years later. I'd say his wisdom has been proven correct.

[@andyabuteo6084]

It is ICJ not ICC!!!!!

[@martinbilis8875]

There are two different things

[@copiedoften5927]

“That which was tortured yesterday is the powerful church today and a religion in decay tomorrow. The deplorable thing, the most deplorable thing, is that the people who were tortured yesterday, torture today.” - B. Traven, The Death Ship

[@nadim9250]

How do they explain the total support of ICJ for Russia and not now? Hypocrisy for the world to see.

[@augustine7786]

Isareal doesn't need to listen to UN said. UN cannot do stopping wars by looking at wars happened in the world.

[@guyhorowitz158]

Maybe you should all start saying- Shame on Hamas and all the people supporting them, for bringing this war on everyone!

[@grunter512]

75 years of oppression brought about this one sided war.

[@wahyuindrasto8307]

On Friday, the International Court of Justice, an arm of the United Nations, ordered Israel to suspend its military campaign in Rafah in southern Gaza, adding to a growing list of diplomatic and legal moves against Israel that have undermined its international standing. The ruling came just days after prosecutors at the International Criminal Court, another international tribunal, called for the arrest of Israel’s prime minister and defense minister, a move that was supported by some longstanding partners of Israel, including France. The order came the same week that three European countries took the coordinated step of recognizing Palestine as a state. It also followed widespread university campus protests in the United States against Israel’s campaign in Gaza, as well as decisions by Turkey to suspend trade with Israel and by Belize, Bolivia and Colombia to break diplomatic ties with Israel.

[@tomhenry897]

And nothing about the hostages

[@jaylivi]

ICJ cannot pressure Israel - DW news can it??? Change the misleading title

[@gregmac2392]

I don’t disagree…but why not the same result with Ukraine?

[@topnews1007]

They said Israel might as well forget about saving the hostages and the Palestinians will definitely never leave Gaza.

[@presbiteroo]

Not above the law

[@SeanChYT]

What law? All I see is politics.

[@nuqwestr]

See you in court, maybe 10 years from now, with a case that will last 20 years.

[@russellhammond371]

I'm still waiting for the part where someone differentiates between modern urban warfare and "genocide." The civilian-to-combatant casualty ratios are not even remotely abnormal for modern urban and proxy wars we've seen within the last few decades. Just because Hamas attacks and hides behind their wives while Israel has accepted a coward's challenge, that doesn't mean the intent is to wipe out the entire population or even annex the territory. Not to mention if a country like Israel was FOCUSING on civilians (not just collateral damage), the civilian deaths could be counted in millions, not 10,000s.

[@JosifSuclea-ue6kz]

GBY Israel ❤❤❤ always Shalom Sabbath

[@gersonalmeida3316]

One important question not asked. If Israel stops, will Ramaz stop?

[@LeroyTorres-ul8oj]

Ms. Pavia is BEAUTIFUL 💛

[@ConradoFonacier-lr8qv]

Who elects the judges in ICC or ICJ? Who are they accountable to or who judges or evaluates the judges? If UN then people should ask, UN is not a nation. The independence of courts is a big question. This will only divide the nations for they encroach on the nation's and nations' sovereignty.

[@Asgoga]

You mean ICJ - International Court of Justice which belongs to UN and has less sway and not ICC - International Criminal Court where Genocide case is being tried and of which Prosecutor asked for Arrest Warrants for Hamas Leadership and Israel's PM & DM

[@erikt1713]

What does the ICJ ruling mean for the ICC case - is that really the relevant question? What do these court rulings mean in battle? Hamas needs modern weapons, not court rulings...

[@fultoneth9869]

Fraud & ideology than legal facts.

[@justwatchingnews.9733]

ya that not going to happen.

[@niallmccarthy1219]

The brains trust left in charge of the postings?

[@JustThe_One]

What does it mean? It means nothing for Germany.

[@badmatz8968]

Arab countries should give women important roles in their government and give more importance to women.,thats why most arab countries are chaotic and violent because only men rule..Thats what i have observed..Women have a calming force while men always want to settle things with violence..

[@user-is1eu4gu4t]

0:40 who in chairs 😂

[@sammylagat6980]

When you resist an act of occupation is not terrorism

[@Scorch428]

also, if you resist, you are not a civilian. You become an enemy combatant. So its not genocide. Obviously.

[@grulochris97]

That is not correct, even if you believe to resist occupation you are still bound by certain laws and you can of course still be a terrorist if you use terror as your tool.

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Free Ukraine! Free Tibet! Free Hong Kong! Free occupied Iran!

[@Keepthepeacesharethelove]

Iran isn't occupied.

[@Elektrische-Lease]

Lmfao didn’t you listen to the rapport on icj ruling ? 15:15 All of Israel stands together. how come you make your own conclusions

[@alexgoslar4057]

When cowardness and fear exchange vows, politicians emerge. And it is up to the people to bend over, keep them in power, and clean up their mess. It also applies to the International court.

[@frapino]

Where are the sanctions against Israel?

[@nathanb5923]

The Cambridge legal scholar is anything but- the ICJ has previously ruled that Israel has no right of self defence with respect to acts emanating from the occupied territories. ‘Self Defense’ is misleading because history did not start on 07.10.23

[@Keepthepeacesharethelove]

You are so right. It disappoints me that so many say lsrl has a right to self-defence when it hasn't.

[@Internetdev]

@@Keepthepeacesharethelove A cause des propagandes médias qui lavent le cerveaux.

[@cripmeister9104]

This means nothing

[@Input-vh7vu]

ICJ is sending it's decision to UNSC where USA should vetoe it. It's USA obligation and ability. Why? Because they deter Israel through 7 month. Now Israel should come into Rafah and Lebanon with most heavy steps.

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

If the International Court has only symbolic or moral power and some country can just ridicule it, what then is it good for?

[@Keepthepeacesharethelove]

It puts pressure on lsrl and America.

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

@@Keepthepeacesharethelove Pressure. And that's it?

[@berndhoffmann7703]

just read the verdict, it is just half of the real one ....

[@Wargasm54]

International Cangaroo Court

[@lovemusic20ification]

🤣🤣🤣

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

Why is genocide between inverted commas? Isn't it time to wake up to the fact that Staatsräson is absurd if it comes to war crimes and crimes against humanities?

[@Keepthepeacesharethelove]

They have to do it, otherweise they could be sued and prosecuted. It is still an alleged genocide because the court didn't rule on this question.

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

@@Keepthepeacesharethelove Then a lot of independant journalists and experts like the Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese would be sued. It's probably more a question of courage.

[@jamesstewart5877]

It's ICJ not ICC

[@chepchogonkemei8574]

ICC or ICJ?

[@alleichannel8158]

Hamas doesn’t have delegation at UN..they will say yes,Palestine have..😂😂😂..

[@timcummings8062]

This is hilarious, this group has no power and they know it.

[@bananaparty928]

Humanity has entered the realm of the final fantasy.

[@dadoVRC]

Your country (and not only yours) is making being european a reason of shame.

[@CharlesFlato-wn2qf]

Does the Court's charges put any pressure on Hamas?

[@michaelopoku4837]

No

[@garryjohnson6794]

It did,.

[@nadim9250]

Yes

[@deepakgeorge5871]

Can the God sent next version of "noah's flood" and finish a wrong done by his decision to trust Abraham..

[@chetanbharat6766]

Who will be the next American leader??

[@andrewharvey3282]

Among our vassal states, Germany is one that can lean on us. And you haven't been.