Putin's war economy: New military leadership to mobilize Russia? | To the Point

Vladimir Putin’s shake-up of military leadership signals his readiness for a long war of attrition in Ukraine, as his forces advance in the northeast with new waves of attacks.
Our guests: Nico Lange (Munich Security Conference); Marina Miron (King’s College London); Vladimir Esipov (DW)
Chapters:
0:00 Opener
1:30 Is this Russia's new offensive?
02:20 US thinking on the situation in Ukraine
03:10 Ukraine does not have enough reserves
03:40 Putin is firmly in the saddle
04:30 The situation at the front is extremely dangerous for Ukraine
04:40 Why was Defense Minister Shoigu removed from office?
05:30 Kyiv is getting mixed signals from the West
06:40 Why did Putin appoint an economist as new defense minister?
08:10 Can Belousov boost the military economy?
09:20 The West should not be afraid of Russia
10:40 Russia is more successful in the war narrative
11:40 The West is sending contradictory signals
15:35 What went wrong with Ukraine’s defense?
16:50 Ukraine has a big problem with corruption
18:20 Do US weapons make a difference?
19:25 A “slow death” for Ukraine?
20:30 Air defense for Ukraine from NATO territory?
22:10 How would NATO react if Russia uses nuclear weapons?
24:40 The West has to think long-term
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[@pingdeedee]

I don't think they believe what they are saying.

[@BruceJ999]

Watch Times Radio😂😂this is nothing

[@jonathanjacob5453]

They don’t, this is just a gig for them a way to pay their bills.

[@trqster]

"There is no reason to be afraid of Russi@" - such great news Mr. Expert! Marina is the only person here that knows what she's talking about

[@ElTIBURON826]

there is no reason to be afraid of russia because they cant even defeat ukraine😉😂

[@wolfswinkel8906]

​@@ElTIBURON826huh? Ukraine can't restore the 1991 borders and are losing even more territory presently. They're already losing to Russia and you're in deep denial

[@trqster]

@@ElTIBURON826 of course not and Ukraine will be arriving soon in NATO tanks to the red square. Oh wait a min the tanks are already there, just not the Ukrainians 😉😂

[@33276344]

❤️♥️💕💞💯

[@rubenreyes4477]

If UKRAINE had to lose to Putin. Then NATO could lost to Russia.

[@indian2003]

Marina Miron has been the most level headed real expert used by DW so far during the war.

[@John_Pace]

If the Russians were casualties were as high as reported by Western media, then why is Moscow recruiting so many volunteers? Interesting, it is Ukraine that is having to press-gang new conscripts, not Russia.

[@Thejoeviral]

95% of DW articles and videos is about china and Russia, they don’t channel their energy on Germany dying economy 😂😂😂😂

[@PhilipZeplinDK]

You are specifically watching the international part of the network. "Deutsche Welle is Germany’s international broadcaster, producing content in 30 languages." Obviously the news are going to be geared towards a more generalized international audience. Not to mention that I've seen plenty of other topics, including the German economy, brought up on here. Maybe the problem is that you're not putting in the bare minimum personal effort, and weirdly expect your specific preferences to be spoon fed to you like a 3 year old child?

[@matiasmazzo2938]

Is it? Or is just a russian troll?

[@Dani-mw2ws]

RT Ivane RT for you

[@ericragnar3069]

The other 5% is about LGBT issues 😂

[@SanjayKumar-ei4sn]

Even look at the technical glitch for video reporting of Maria .. 😂😂😂 Where is Germany gone ??

[@alfredorayo1]

Marina Miron is by far the best analyst´since the beginning of the war

[@andrewlim7751]

Yes, she's very sharp and on the point, a rare occurrence in DW.

[@springbloom5940]

Because shes an actual analyst and not simply a propagandist.

[@dandelong-yr4ci]

Blows me away everytime i listen to her.

[@saileshlokhun1357]

An analyst that says 'i think that' in all her sentences...😅

[@upendrak95]

Two guys talk big but i don't think even runs few yards without panting.

[@Dengtree]

This German guy is kind of slow 😂

[@Writeous0ne]

He's still spewing the same Pro-Western talking points.

[@evifiouri4712]

Only Marina talks some sense here

[@hhKJgf1M8a0rzt8hP]

She is scared of her own shadow.

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Marine Soldier Darling War

[@dipin2]

That guy Nico lange is a blind anti putin anti russia. We can be heard he's saying Russia achieved nothing in this war😂. He's biased

[@localreviewking134]

🦤

[@261moki]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mgronich948]

And purposely lying.

[@localreviewking134]

⚱⚱⚱⚱

[@andersaskjrgensen5468]

why shouldn't anybody be anti putin? unless you're a fascist. Putin is dragging europe back into the drk past, and some people are shaking to much in fear to be of any use

[@dechingmuu]

She has brain and be honest the situation。

[@wilsonerese7677]

Why you switch off while she's talking her side. Meaning you don't want to hear by the viewer and your talkativeness be more to broadcast.

[@boringstuff1542]

Because the connection is not good. They do not want to wait for the video feed to buffer because that ruins the flow of the conversation. They have a set amount of time to go over all the topics they want to go over.

[@leonardoorellano6652]

the woman.. Marina is the only lucid one there in the debate.. The german dude is straight out a lunatic.. the russian/ukrainian dude was.. i don't know depressing

[@boringstuff1542]

What is your first language? Why did you choose to make your comment in English?

[@D-E-S_8559]

@@boringstuff1542 why do you...???

[@miloszaric1392]

​@@boringstuff1542 why did you choose to came into this space reality?

[@leonardoorellano6652]

@@boringstuff1542 i am from Argentina but raised in sweden and emigrated to tampa, FL 25 years ago. so rioplatense spanish is my native tongue but my swedish is better and after so many years here in the states i would say i prefer english to have deeper philosophical discussion (even though i have a strong accent..) how about you? name and native tongue ?

[@boringstuff1542]

@@leonardoorellano6652 It is clear English isn't your first language. You should have made your comment in a language you are more comfortable with.

[@jineeshpr]

Shoigu was actually promoted right?

[@conchaivn]

The gentleman that keeps saying Russia has not achieved any or its military goals, how does he know what Russia's military goals are?

[@daviddestefanis2989]

Crimea. Check. Landbridge to Crimea. Check. They got those ones early.

[@chrisbremner8992]

He is concerned that he and his other German vassals of America will soon meet the same fate as Ukraine.

[@stephenhill545]

The goal is war. Read 1984.

[@jacekboczarski6698]

"demilitarization" - Not check "denazification" (change of government")- Not check "freeing of whole Donbas" - not check

[@VodkaPandas]

​@@jacekboczarski6698 The west goals. "Isolate Russia" - Not check "Weaken Russia" - Not check "Oust Putin" (change of government) - Not check "Pre 1991 Ukraine border" - Not check "Balkanize Russia" Not check At least Russia is going forward on achieveing their goals, the west is going backwards, lol.

[@dsolis7532]

Wtf with this panel. Shoigu is not fired, he was moved, the guy he substituted retired and his son got a job at the government. This is just a shuffling. Also, he says that Shoigu hasn’t got any military goal. What about a fifth of Ukraine?

[@rasputindasilva858]

Shoi was fired as I was... I was not but i fired myself after being "promoted" in the company I worked for.

[@victorsamuel8708]

Except Europe most countries support Russia in this proxy war and Russia was never isolated in this world

[@viewpoint365]

Right now the rest of the world sees it as a European problem, however any direct escalation by European powers can turn the narrative into a West versus the rest, bringing India, China, Iran, Korea and many African countries to the defence of Russia. Would the depopulated and economically depleted West be able to take the might of population behemoths of the East? The answer is very clear and irrespective of what these experts say, NATO will never engage directly unless attacked first. Collapse of Ukraine is a forgone conclusion.

[@usun_politics1033]

Marina is the only competent one. Nico is a joke.

[@Brimwald]

Marina is right about consider the consequences of an effective no fly zone and the escalatory ladder that would follow. If any significant action is taken it needs to be thought out long term with 10 moves ahead planned for. The fact that new actions arent taken is because there is a fear of destabilizing that will impact reelection campaigns making hard choices not acceptable. Elections will always matter more to politicians than anything else.

[@trogdortpennypacker6160]

No fly zones require boots on the ground and that is basically declaring war. The question is would Russia keep it conventional?

[@cattraknoff]

@@trogdortpennypacker6160 Carrier battlegroups at sea are definitely legitimate targets for tactical nukes and would not invite nuclear retaliation against any dissimilar targets. Given that Russia doesn't have fleets at sea there is no option for retaliation available except conventional attacks on Russian military assets.

[@user-ks4vl1jl7j]

​@@trogdortpennypacker6160 Nope. The West would go nuclear first because NATO wouldn't be able to defeat Russia in Ukraine in a conventional war. Without US troops, NATO is a joke.

[@koskok2965]

The West is myopic to the point of blindness. They can't see 2 moves on the chessboard, let alone 10. Which is exactly why every action they take against Russia in the geopolitical sphere comes back to bite them in the rear.

[@branimirsalevic5092]

Nico is some kind of impressionist artist or something, he's talking about alternative reality which has nothing in common with the reality the rest of the world experiences.

[@chokosabe]

Marina always bringing up great points. Will whats being proposed actually make a difference?

[@user-fh3oc5ij3s]

this nico day dreamer should be on the frontlines and not in studios.

[@AbuBawa-sw1ut]

Shoigu was never a military man also

[@AtticusKarpenter]

Yes, he is former head of emergency services.

[@oneshothunter9877]

Je's got quite a few medals though. Loyalty medals. 😂 Only North Korean generals have more medals - inclusive the medals down their pants. 😂😂😂

[@Writeous0ne]

Zelensky isn't a military man either, he's not a politician, he didn't even run a public campaign or debate or interview with tv stations. He just ran on social media and was elected solely because he played a president in a tv show.

[@markovilipic4102]

@@Writeous0ne he is not leading the military so I don't understand the comparison?

[@jccudiamat6385]

​@@markovilipic4102he's the supreme commander in chief of ukraine

[@nemo1877]

The German analyst is living on other planet...Unfortunately all western analysts are very naive regarding the Russian potential.

[@localreviewking134]

He lives in Uranus?

[@261moki]

🤣🤣🤣💩💩💩

[@Simon-d]

Nico sounds crazy

[@markojuric4954]

More sounds as baffoon

[@mordecaismith8264]

Those speaking for Ukraine are honestly unrealistic I mean no malitary goals achieved, there's a lot of goals that have been achieved by Russia

[@Dynaceglobalnigeria]

That's censorship DW. You didn't want Maria to finish her statement because it wasn't the DW talking point. What a shame. 😂

[@Alsayid]

Look at that sinister grin on his face and twinkle in his eyes he gets when he says "We should not be afraid of Russia waging a long war; we have enough resources, if we want..."

[@eddastrohmayer251]

Yes, horrible!

[@nathanroche7908]

Vampire smelling the blood of an old friend

[@user-np7in6rb5y]

The change of a defense minister after 10 years in the position is not a major shake up. The Brits probably had 6 such shake ups in the last 8 years. NATO should be credited for helping Russia to fully become a wartime economy. Now its members get to start burn more and more in their defense budget. The only problem is it costs the West 15x more to produce military gadgets than the Russians. They can buy a few shells from a few developing countries like Pakistan at highly jacked up prices. But countries like South Africa Brazil China India will not supply ammo for Ukraine.

[@viewpoint365]

Damn proud of India for sending antiseptic bandages to Ukraine. Billions of dollars worth of dual use materials and even ready to assemble weapons are shipped to Russia in exchange for oil and S500.

[@Hans-Wolff]

As a German I think Tony played a Song in the Bar to Welcome Russia in Ukraine in General and in Kharkiv in Particular :"Thanks Russia for defeating Us in Europe"

[@user-ks4vl1jl7j]

Shouigu is considered to have been successful in his position. That's why he was promoted. For example, he gets credit for the fact that Russia has been able outproduces the West combined . Btw, he also requested to retire before the war and only stayed on board at Putin request. The new defense minister is a expert ,economist who will be tasked with aligning the economy of the military ( 6-9% GDP ) with that of the entire country for Maximum efficiency both now and at the end of the war. The audience of western media is so gullable and naive that they believe anything. As long as it makes them feel superior. 😂😂

[@unnamed_hero]

One of experts is very funny man: Shoigu and Gerasimov didn't achieved of any military goals! What are you talking about, man? Many territories are under full Russian control. Controffensive was failed, and now seem to be Zelenskiy is completely changed his mind about possible outcomes (he dreams about negotiations). See the latest pubs from his office. They are talking the same Zaluzhny was kicked out for.

[@emrekacar5508]

They are at war with the truth itself. Everything what they say is a straight lie or maniplation of reality.

[@babahanuman83]

The ukr guy should go to the front instead of talking in Germany

[@5thYouTuberTankBrigade]

There are hundreds and thousands of war analysts and experts more than soldiers in the battle field 🙄😎

[@rodrigomoura1085]

Has EU planned for next week? 😂

[@pauchel.lozano26]

The guy with the heavy German accents reminds me of Joseph Goebel

[@crevard203]

Rather than call it "escalatory " why not just call it "Hey will Russia consider this move an existential threat and respond accordingly" ?

[@danp2965]

Who found Nico ?

[@Jaaaa832]

What happened to leopard tanks ? 😂😂😂

[@giangi6913]

Leave Blinken's band alone, he has the right to play his guitar whenever he wants lmao

[@prakashthapa2165]

Negotiations and dialogue is only way for Ukrainian. Ukraine shouldn't be hostages of Jelensky's ego.

[@MrYatta48]

Lol buddy on the left is so angry that Ukraine is losing

[@bananaparty928]

It's a tragic war that is creeping towards Europe.

[@user-fh3oc5ij3s]

ukraine troops are running away not retreating.

[@mgronich948]

And they are also surrendering en mass.

[@alko_xo]

Germans are an amazing people! They are always ready to be surprised like children.

[@markgoicoechea7826]

The rules of engagement for this war was decided and tacitly agreed upon from the onset. Changing those now would invite serious escalation from the Russians. But we have a serious competence problem with the leadership in Washington so anything could happen..unfortunately

[@Ciilow24]

Only a smart person thinks about the consequences of an action and what it can cause. Yes, you should be afraid because you don’t know what is the other person is capable of 😊

[@costabandale7507]

Where do you want Putin to go? The Russians need a stronger leader, not a weak one. That's a love motherland.

[@nicholasgibbons9917]

A strong leader would care about the people in his country. How is this war showing that?

[@Dan-Martin]

Shoigu was also a civilian in the defence ministry… DW is a joke lol.

[@localreviewking134]

Pretend General!!!!

[@brandonlance3601]

Marina is a total babe, but also intelligent..

[@Jtmark4768]

There is an old saying in Africa, if you keep saying, we’re not afraid, again and again, then you are really scared 😮😮😮

[@MgWynn]

Nico is clueless, just talking cluelessly. Maria got the point. Putin is not bluffing of nuclear weapons threat if NATO ever get involved in Ukraine soil. Period.

[@joostandhisband9648]

Germany is dancing to the tune of the white house

[@syl-brianskamara1850]

While Americans milk them to their bones. US has long hated Germany buying gas from Russia rather than from them.

[@miketcq8]

Shoigu was on Putin's left hand side and Lavrov own his right hand side in China. Don't be naive to report that Shoigu is out? He reshuffled his cabinet positions.

[@stephenhill545]

One bored old man who lost interest in addressing the pension crisis, rotting infrastructure, and diversification of the economy decided to be a glory boy instead. There are good reasons for presidential term limits, as Plato wrote in Republic.

[@cosmicpsyops4529]

You're asking this question just now? War is an economy. Putin could not afford to turn back once he invaded. This will be his legacy. And he is way more determined than you.

[@oneshothunter9877]

Time will tell. Everyone has a plan until they get their ears bit off. Tyson, probably 😂😂😂

[@33276344]

​@oneshoth 20:55 unter9877 But not Russians, Yes Tyson, you know for centuries dude.

[@catherineandpaulfuters2523]

Thank you for your coverage, more please. 🇬🇧🇺🇦🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇦🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇦🇪🇺

[@evanbell8012]

How dare you put Scottish and brit flag together? Shame on you

[@nicholasgibbons9917]

No matter what flag it is, we are all on the same side and we all have the same goal, to stop Russia and save Ukraine.

[@evanbell8012]

@@nicholasgibbons9917 speak for yourself

[@PaulS933]

Bless Ukraine 🇺🇦 ❤

[@PaulS933]

My USA 🇺🇸 must do more faster! The delay was so 😢foolish!!!

[@user-fh3oc5ij3s]

Blinken was there to hold a concert and drink a nice Russian vodka hence Robotyne is back into Russian hhands today and by the way four U.S supplied ATACMS were shot down today as well in the Crimea Peninsula adding to 24 so far ATACMS destroyed in a months. Minister Shoigu now occupies a more powerful position of being the Chairman of The Russian Security Council.

[@noorulahad3522]

16 atacms hot Belbek

[@shuycg]

Mister Lange's idea was so easy to shoot down. I wonder where he stands on the Taurus issue.

[@mazharulislam7869]

Marina Miron best analyst so far ❤❤

[@Joaodocaminhao0234]

Thank you

[@Oiiii794]

Good question. Why did Ukraine break from Russia?.

[@danboyd6609]

This moderator is excellent !

[@NielsPoulsen]

Shoigu was governor of Moscow oblats before being defence minister

[@Habik87_29]

As a Russian, I hope that in the event of an escalation by the West, Putin will not give up and release all strategic weapons at NATO, especially at these talkers

[@nicholasgibbons9917]

The West did not start this war, Putin did. If Putin decides to release all of his strategic weapons at NATO, then NATO will do whatever it has to do to protect itself.

[@supernintendochalmers646]

"Nico Lange" reminds me of Sadam Hussain's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, or to West as: *Comical Ali* ...even when the bombs were dropping, he infamously denied they were losing the war.🤣

[@5ty717]

Excellent

[@GW802]

Gen. Shoigou requested retirement a couple of years ago but Kremlin urged him to stay on as SMO was eminent. Now that frontlines have stabilized, a soft landing exit has been offered to him. Are we now supposed to believe that he was fired? He isn't even a career soldier to even think of a fall out, and his successor is not one either. The two are civilian strategists in military uniforms.

[@ISpiritualAwakening]

This was a great interview

[@lhommeaudacieux]

If this is the distraction I shudder to think what the offensive will look like

[@arsyfoox]

That Nico expert is something. Did he buy his nuclear shelter already?

[@walterfoott5105]

The German knows nothing he is in the dark why ask him what he struggles to comprehend.

[@deboraponce3643]

Que hueva ese NATO 🥱 Ya vayan a por los rusos. ¿Cuando entrarán de lleno en esa guerra para poner a Rusia en su lugar? ¿O es que no pueden? En Latam ya da pereza esa guerra, nada nuevo y serio contra Rusia.

[@Paniago]

Zelensky don't care with Ukraine either EU. He's calling the world to WWIII. Dumbs Aplauses it!

[@cmFaAz]

No military goal achieved...😂😂😂

[@berndhofmann752]

The discussion meets the right points! Very good!❤❤❤❤ Slava Ukraina 🇺🇦 from Germany 🇩🇪😍❤😳👏

[@AmazingChannelL]

Of cos.. if the ukraine never surrender war will continue.. never change

[@twopenace403]

your timestamps for each topic are wrong. Include questions.

[@julispiri5587]

Yes, yes and again yes.

[@toast0011]

3 min in and someone is blaming the US but Europe hasn’t hit any of its military aid goals.

[@happykitten5695]

Peace & LOVE Upon ONE & ALL 🙏🕊❤‍🔥

[@ihsanersindemirel8918]

Sergey Shoigu is also a civilian engineer!

[@jimamar]

The marina's two poneys appear to be hanging wired.

[@markojuric4954]

One is poney, another one is baffoon 🙂

[@sunnyrobinson2128]

Maria is a pretty good strategist 🤔❤

[@dailyshowtelevisiondstv5585]

Allies like Poland 😂, those ones they are so quite these days they really know the real fire power of Russia by experience. 😂😂😂

[@nathanroche7908]

Nothing to worry about by a longer war he claims, probably very comfortable from his leather bound office in the German Alps.

[@eddastrohmayer251]

Herr Nico, kennt man bei der Münchner Sicherheitskonferenz auch das Wort Diplomatie?!

[@jimamar]

I was wondering where celebrity Zelensky was. Rock star Tony enjoyed his time in Ukraine.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Why he is not going to Palestine

[@siriusman6169]

Who knows may be the imaginary Ukrainian line of defense is in Kiev😄

[@noorulahad3522]

Mr Esipov chokes while talking under camera. Is he the right person for these kind of intellectual discussions? From Canada

[@mihaicozma4054]

Shoigu never was a military man also. Never serve in the army. To be replace by an economist is not a big change. Army people still go ahead.

[@markgoicoechea7826]

Can anyone say. “DIPLOMACY “

[@localreviewking134]

True, neither can they say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

[@eddastrohmayer251]

Only Putin and Xi - they yesterday called again for a POLITICAL SOLUTION! West seems to play deaf again... crazy !

[@ldhorricks]

Vlad Vexler has a very good take on the Kremlin shake up...

[@zakzakaria1332]

Marina is the one only has most sense of what is really happening and what may come after. Others are 'his master's voice', useless and shameful.

[@mwanamaindanyambe5758]

The problem is that all these guys can't read Putin's mind , they are way behind .

[@mikyp4111]

Technical issue...ha..ha..B.S...They don't want to let the lady dr. Marina to talk!

[@kamelcoles2674]

It’s a long special operation

[@markojuric4954]

A long as it takes 🙂

[@neptuno7351]

Desert storm operation last 20 years . No surprise.

[@user-mj3ud2om4s]

No, the US does NOT hold responsibility for Ukraine. You live in Europe. It is your responsibility to take care of your own home . Not. the U.S.

[@pogolas]

No military goals have been achieved he says. Mariupol joined the chat.