How Many Jonins The Leaf Village Had

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Jonins are elite ninjas that are actually rare in the Naruto universe. There were famous Jonins in the Leaf Village such as Kakashi, Might Guy, Asuma, Neji, and Kurenai, but there were also some obscure ones. Still, you'd be surprised at the number of Jonins a Hokage would have available at any given time. In this video we're going to estimate the amount of Jonins a Village would usually have.
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[@DygoKnight]

Who's the strongest Jonin?

[@Oskar-hydle]

Hikaku uchiha

[@Cosmik60]

@@Oskar-hydle bold to assume he's only a jonin

[@nagatouzumaki4047]

Maito Gai

[@johnsmith0001]

Would you do a stream ever again? Last one was pretty funny and peak content pretty cozy

[@VanLe-gk3ie]

Madara declared Might Guy as the strongest Taijutsu user, Kakashi agreed with his father that Guy is stronger than him. Might Guy takes this.

[@pld9350]

Its clear that Kishimoto changed the setting mid story, from a village that seems to be hidden, with a small population of fewer than 2k of high especiallized military assets that would do expensive work for the Daimyo and other very rich contractors, while most of the fooder job was left to mercenary(like Gatou guys), to become a army of fooder, the village having more than 10k+ ninjas is a plot hole if u see that the registration of the Naruto class is aroun 12k, so in like 80y of village they produced around 12k ninjas, but for the war to work Kishi simple pulled 80k alliance from his ass and broke the whole worldbuilding he had created.

[@luisfilipe2747]

Not that he really care midway through. The Naruto universe was supposed to be populated by all kinds of people, and the hidden leaf village was, well, somewhat hidden and with a little population, but at some point the whole world became ninja only and he put some samurai just to say that there's some variety aside from ninja (they play no significant role in the story whatsoever)

[@xerty5502]

None of the stated numbers for any of the villages make any sense for arguments sake let's use 1000 and 10000, as numbers of ninja that the leaf might have at one point yes I know the wararc numbers make even the 10k number low, relatively reasoble amount of recruitment would need about 10% of the force in New recruits every year not entering the academy not graduating the academy entering the ninja forces which tells us that to have 1k you would need about 100 new ninja a year for 10k about 1000. In narutos year we had 9 these numbers are so hilariously unbalanced the leaf could probably afford to maintain a force of 100 ninja with those numbers and that 10% is assuming peace time with very few losses, so is probably a bare minimum. Considering that things going badly on early c ranks for genine teams is at least implied to be not uncommon losses in peace time are probably still not insignificant. Meaning a number nore like 20% is neccaserry to just maintaine force size not increase it. Let's again assume trying to maintaine a force size of 10k and use the ratios of narytis year as a basis for academy graduation and acculy entering the force ratios. We have near enough 100% academy graduation all but naryto in that year and he ended up being pushed through any way. And then a 66% failure rate so to see 2000k ninjas added to the force every year you would need a graduating class of 6000. If you have class size of 30 a little big but still managble class size for teaching children and you would need 200 classes all this implies that there is 0 dropouts along the way not a reasonable assumption. Impossible to say how many drop outs you would get on average with out data I do not have at the moment but the number would almost never be 0. The scale of the leaf as depicted simply could not handle or find 6000+ kids a year. If we jumped back to the other number I put up of a force size of 1000. You would only need 600 kids a year still far to many kids a year for the size of the leaf and the academy as depicted but a number you could get to with only a few changes. One the academy as depicted is flat out to small they need either more buildings or make the one they have bigger. More grounds to. As for any one assuming kishimoto changed any thing about scale midway through is almost certainly wrong. Most writers just have no good idea about scale they write or in case of a mangeca(no idea how to spell this) draw what they imagine as appropriate then at some later point went numbers become relvent they assign numbers that fit what they imagine they need for the story ignoring how big or small there early described locations would need to be to reasonably have those numbers. Scale is just something most do not trouble them selves over till it slaps them in the face. Back to filling those numbers for one sec getting the number of children that yhe leaf would need is not accualy all that hard you after all have a whole country with many towns city's and villages in it and theoretically you could draw from that whole country. So number of recruits could be handled even if they leaf can't produce that many internaly add in that the leaf could have far less civilians then we imagine it having. You have gennine in mass to do a lot of the general labor industry could be else where and extended family of ninja could run most if not all the shops thus means you do not acualy need a lot of civilians that are not imitate family of the ninjas of the village. Food is grown else where not in the village production of goods except for some highly specialized stuff will also be done outside the village. This means if the nation really us supporting the hidden villages you could have a surprisingly small settlement for the size of force. As for the academy I got nothing there it is just flat up to small and there is no hint of all that any training of ninjas is done away from the ninja villages accept for a handful of individuals master and apprentice zabuza and Haku come to mind but this realistically can't amount to a very significant number so I will ignore it as statistically irrelevant. Nothing about the leaf we are shown other then the academy size directly stops any of what i just said from being true. Nothing shown to us makes it true either. So if you want the numbers presented in the story cannon can't answer you with out a retcon.

[@ivello]

Which is crazy because he absolutely did not need to make it that much people. He knew he would never be able to portray all that, specially with the type of groundwork he had done. So why not just make it more like 16k so you could have 3k per village and an additional thousand from the samurai.

[@HardCoverJacket]

​@@luisfilipe2747that's not true. There were always non ninja people. Like the civilians that ran stores etc. even in the first arc when they went to the land of waves to help the bridge builder. He added Samari's in the later arch but that didn't mess up the plot line. Also in the movies they had a hole film industry and Shion the priestist, the adventurers and so on.

[@luisfilipe2747]

@@HardCoverJacket you're literally just repeating what I said. Yes, at the beginning there was non ninja people, but after some point on Shippuden the whole world was ninja and there was not a single character that was introduced that was not ninja. Last non ninja character I remember before samurais were those monks in the Kakuzu/hidan arc

[@fnnnn5986]

I think demographics in naruto work like towns in Pokemon, were entire towns are just a couple houses, a pokemon center and a gym. it's more of a representative thing because you can only realistically create so many characters and places in limited panels to represent places with thousands of inhabitants.

[@redwinterv112]

I never understood how one village could produce 18000 ninja. My personal head canon is that each nation has more than one ninja village, and they just didn't show them

[@foxxowoxxowillow7855]

As much as I hate to say it, it's actually one of the very few things Boruto does better. The modern Leaf village actually looks like a proper city with a large population without having to write in that many more characters. ... or any more characters at all for that matter, because none of them except Boruto, Sarada, and Kawaki might as well exist lol The Rain Village is very cool and somewhat of an exception to the rule though.

[@justinarzola4584]

​@@redwinterv112It's not that implausible since in the real world multiple very small countries and states can have massive population relative to their size,I also think Hidden leaf is like a city in a larger country where other ninjas live in the smaller Districts or towns.

[@stefanbosiljcic236]

​@@redwinterv112I would probably say that the leaf village just didn't house all the ninja

[@sqoo5]

The leaf was responsible for protecting the land of fire, so it makes sense that a vast majority of low-end jonin were usually outside of the village on missions or simply didn't live there.

[@Javetts]

Another thing to consider is Danzo's Root. He scooped up many, many talented ninja. It wasn't until after his death that they could be reabsorbed back into Konoha properly.

[@YataVSTheWorld]

I have the solid impression the vibe of the settings was changed mid story to accomodate a "war", given what we saw of the Village (and allowing us to say all the other villages are relative the same in popolation). Once would can think the Leaf village had a total popolation close to the number extimanted Leaf Ninja sent to the war.... I am talking of sheer magnitude not actual numbers... Like the Leaf village look at best like a place where dozens of thousands of people live, not hundred of thousands or millions (numbers required to allow them to have 15K Ninja avaliable). So probably while both canon, I don't think using this kind of estimation is useful to actual understand how common/uncommon the Jonin are...Unluckly is the best we can do. Anyway the Jonins ninja have the be rare almost by definition because they are considered an elite force, they are the outliner not the norm, if they are relative common... the whole definition of elite would fall off, I mean if people as capable as the average Jonin are common... that would be the definition of chuunin.

[@casper_z1259]

It was even a plot point in part 1 where the Sand Village had to focus on quality rather than quantity due to their budget. They also live in a desert country, so small populations

[@andreipop9587]

To be fair, in military bases the ratio between active duty and support staff is between 1 to 2 and 1 to 5, so for a population of shinobi of 13k would require a support civilian population of anywhere between 26k to 65k.

[@justinarzola4584]

Except Jounin are the highest rank of ninja so there should be way more of them yet there are more chunin.

[@YataVSTheWorld]

@@andreipop9587 but here we are not talking of military bases, but of a full comunity with many of them not even related to ninjas or military business

[@mystictomato9466]

@@justinarzola4584Your comment makes no sense lol.

[@AsukaDrag]

Four things to note: -First Shikaku Nara was the Jonin Commander, which unlike a Sannin is an actual rank in the Konoha military and thus might be counted as apart from the rest of the Jonins. -Second, even though you counted people who seem to be retired from day-to-day field missions for the most part and have more administrative roles, you didn't count other retired ninja who are almost certainly Jonins who can come out of retirement in times of great need a la Chiyo - I'm talking about Danzo, Utatane, Homura and Torifu Akimichi (though his last appearance was in the time of Naruto classic iirc), though I guess it's hard to picture them taking orders from Tsunade. -Third, there are a few Jonins not from the manga, including a few filler ones and even canon characters like Itachi's jonin sensei from the novels. -Fourth, there are a few confirmed Jonins that appear but are never named (IE: in the meeting of senseis before the Chunin exams), the most notable probably being the Jonin sensei of Kabuto's team. Other than that, yeah, Jonin's a pretty exclusive rank -- hell if you go by early Naruto it's pretty heavily implied that, if you're a jonin, you're a badass a la Zabuza or Kakashi, so someone with enough of a reputation to have cool title in the bingo books, like 'copy ninja', 'demon of the Mist', 'seven swordsman of the Mist', 'beautiful blue beast of Konoha', 'twelve guardian ninja', etc, etc. Makes you wonder what all those background jonins are like.

[@g.g.g.1826]

Honestly, from what I've seen in this channel, he doesn't seem to like the light novels at all

[@Atticus-Catnipp]

We all know the only notable Jonin of the hidden leaf were Kakashi and Guy who fought the series top tiers

[@TheSkullkid16]

No, because Asuma fought Hidan... with backup... and died... Oh, but what about Kurenai who fought Itachi... using genjutsu, and lost...

[@Atticus-Catnipp]

@@TheSkullkid16 what I meant was is that Kakashi and Guy were at least endgame material. Asuma died and Kurenai became a mother.

[@TheSkullkid16]

@Grayson-Winchester I know, could you not sense my sarcasm? xD Well it was in text form, so I don't blame you if you missed it

[@mlmf2012]

What about the hyuuga head? I bet he wouldve taken out a pain if he ever encountered one. Or as the video said, jiraya is a jonin. I also think most of the anbu under the hokage should be at least a jonin

[@mitch-lawless]

​@revolverjesus98 Nah, Tenten is more of a kage level Shinobi. Would be rude to clump her in with all the jonin...

[@dancarter5775]

Some of these make sense with the exception of the Akimichi clan. The Yamanaka clan probably has multiple special but few Jonin because they are mostly support units. The Nara have a small handful because of the type of unit. But the Akimichi, the primary fighters, should have more Jonin simply based on their type.

[@justinarzola4584]

I think it works with Akamichi since them being able to grow larger requires only 2 or 3 of them at most in a fight or mission.

[@bijuutamer729]

I’m pretty sure that the Anbu are made of primarily Chunins. A lot of Anbus are picked for their high potential but before they can mature that innate talent. Plus the Anbu seems to prioritize their ability to carry out heartless assignments. When it comes to the Jonin in Naruto they seem to be like the Magic Captains in Black Clover where the Jonins are Psuedo Hokage level or candidates to be Hokage. Even for Azuma this would be consistent as he was killed by Hidan when the Akatsuki we were introduced to were supposed to all be Kage level.

[@darken2417]

A bit of a shounen issue is that each village actually has a lot of powerful ninjas but they aren't shown, like not even as background characters. Hence why in the war arc you see a lot of nameless ninjas who are at least chunin level that we never saw before. I assume the same would be the case with the jonins and there being lots of ninja teams and team leaders we don't know about.

[@Sweetlesishere]

The Nara clan are pretty smart and are probably gifted at politics and padding their applications for moving up the next rank, never mind being the most prominent and leadership-oriented of the three noble houses (Ino-Shika-Cho). To add to this, plenty Aburame are probably in some type of special tasking force like Anbu, which may explain their lack of Jonins. They're so versatile and valuable, it may be preferable to keep them doing unorthodox tasks outside of the limelight. The Hyuga are probably amongst the most politically influential, and appear to be the most prestigious, and have an emphasis on being a shinobi more than any of the other clans- they come across as perfectionists, so it's not shocking so many are Jonin. As for Tsume Inuzaka not being a jonin- just understand that like Might Dai and other characters, being promoted in the military isn't always neat or fair and your career will be different from someone else's. Due to politics, quotas and timing, etc there could be a number of reasons Tsume isn't a jonin yet- never mind possible personal issues like conduct for example.

[@FernandoGonzalez-hu3id]

If i recall it correctly, the Jonins are the ones that select the next Kage, while also being the ones to apoint more members to their ranks. So politicaly speaking it is best for them to keep their numbers low so each holds the most voting power

[@GGhi8976]

actually now that you say that. OP completely missed counting all the jonin that were in those meetings. since that would be the best time to gauge how many people were present + the assumption of how many people you need present to make a vote. Also he missed the fact that the chunin exam had like 87 konoha genin. thats more jonin leaders unaccounted for.

[@FernandoGonzalez-hu3id]

@@GGhi8976 so acording to the wiki Aoba is only a Tokubetsu Jonin, witch make no sense the guy can do everything, he is basically a bargain bin Itachi Witch leaves me with my theory that Tokubetsu Jonin is a way to give someone the honor and responsabilities of a Jonin without actually giving them a vote Kind of like Anakin not getting the rank of master in Star Wars

[@caesarjergens]

But jonins are sent out alone on the most dangerous missions. If you get the rank but are not up to it, you not only jeopardize your mission but are very likely to get captured or killed. And let us not forget that jonins are entrusted to guide the next generation, including your own kids. It is not in a villages interest to promote someone who is not qualified.

[@Katsu_ragi]

​@@FernandoGonzalez-hu3id your Aoba thing doesn't really make much sense. That's not how military ranks work. You can be an absolutely efficient killing machine, and you may never be promoted past lieutenant. Yet, a guy who is less proficient may become a Colonel. You can be promoted or not for many things, not just combat prowess.

[@FernandoGonzalez-hu3id]

@@Katsu_ragi the Aoba part was un response to something that was latter edited Out. Acording to the Lore, Tokubetsu Is a rank they give to an specialist, and Aoba Is not an specialist, he could be a Full Jonin, or stay as a chunnin, there Is no reason to give Him the specialist rank unless you want to promote Him but not give Him a vote

[@a.gabrielarchibald5291]

We also had to have in mind that the clan with the most jounins by far (Uchiha) which had 10+ jounins was killed just before the Naruto anime started so that's a little bit unfortunate for the total count...

[@calvinstraveldreams]

This is a major plothole with the Uchiha Massacre, as the Leaf Village effectively crippled itself by eliminating numerous Chunin, Jonin, and even Kage-level shinobi-unless the Leaf elders expected Itachi to only eliminate part of the clan before himself dying (enough to prevent a coup and force the Uchiha back into line, but not enough to wipe out the Uchiha and cripple the Leaf Village’s military).

[@FreinareUnimentra]

Point of order, Tsume is never stated to be a clan head & neither Kiba or his sister Hana are stated to be clan heirs.

[@ivanbluecool]

I feel some chunin may be pushed to jounin in dire situations like the 9 tails attack and how kakashi and guy could have been gone if they were a few years older

[@AliceBlackwood]

No wonder the number of Jonins decreased in Konoha after genius Hiruzen and Danzo had Itachi wipe out the Uchiha

[@JoGoat20]

Strongest jonin - Might guy Strongest chunin - Shino Strongest Genin/Hokage/Nukenin - Naruto & Sasuke Strongest Academy student - Manga konohamuru with a rasengan at age 7

[@rabbss830]

I believe konohamaru is 13 in shippuden

[@JoGoat20]

@@rabbss830Naruto taught konohamuru Rasengan before his training trip in the manga. Konohamuru was only 7-8 yrs old at that time making him the youngest person to learn rasengan in Naruto

[@rabbss830]

@@JoGoat20 at that time he was 10 or 11

[@caesarjergens]

But how strong is his Rasengan, it still requires chakra and one learns how to mold it + it requires physical endurance as well. So yeah Konohamuru had a great technique but I don't think he had the power yet to make it last against a strong opponent. If I`m not mistaken it was said that all of Konoha 11 became jonin in the end (apart from maybe Sasuke) as Naruto was shown to have been forced to take classes so he could officially be promoted to the correct rank as it is not just about raw power but intelligence and strategic insights as well.

[@JoGoat20]

@@caesarjergens not exactly Boruto Movie Data book shows Hinata still as a chunin(retired after marrying Naruto) while Naruto is confirmed to be genin until he became hokage (8 yrs after the war). He was taking classes in that period as a part of his hokage in training regiment and also worked as a diplomat + Academy teacher during the period between war Arc and last movie as per novels. Also Sai is a chunin anbu. Only confirmed members to become jonin were sakura shikamaru and rocklee.

[@williambreeze2659]

Man I never knew how rare the rank of Jonin was in the leaf.

[@MonroeSim]

Man I can’t wrap my head around this. Jonin really are rare aren’t they

[@SunderlandAlexis]

The fact that Kishimito thought Kiba's mom (the head of the Unuzuka clan) did not deserve the rank of Jonin and insead gave it to some other rando from the Unuzuka clan is so unintentionally funny. The misogyny allegations against Kishi will never die.

[@YataVSTheWorld]

To be honest I find it quite normal, I am actually more surprised when the head of a clan and the strongest clan member is the same. As the head position is ereditary while the acutal ability of a ninja is not. Given an example, in the Hyuga clan, Hinata would be the head of the clan also if she will not have the skill to be a jonin, while her cousins (or potentially sister) are more powerful than her and Jonin material. TLTR: It's more ridicolous the fact that people conflate "personal power" with "political power" in this kind of story. The way the Hokaga is chosen to me for example is truly ridicolous, the head of a village should not be the strongest ninja but the best at handling a village (this is not an issue of Naruto only of course)

[@TheColdOnez]

@@YataVSTheWorldthe reason why the kages are the strongest is because it’s a military dictatorship, if the strongest guy isnt in charge than it’d be easy as hell to coup the government over a policy disagreement etc. You see this all the time in real life, military dictatorships are incredibly unstable as far as governance goes.

[@andylaw3222]

Wait wait wait, there are misogyny allegations against Kishi??? Just because he can't write a good female character? Or because of something else? Because many mangakas are trash with female characters. Berserk and Elfenlied have the best from what I've read.

[@JoGoat20]

​@@YataVSTheWorldi think there is hierarchy in clans but only for chance to prove that you are suitable to lead it. Hinata and hanabi had birth right of that chance which hanabi won.

[@YataVSTheWorld]

@@andylaw3222 I mean the fact that she is the head of the clan also without be the strongest, is a sign of respect of her regardless of her gender... I can't see misogyny here honestly

[@azureascendant994]

Well, When more than 50% of previous young generations die in past wars due to poor leadership choices there are less ppl available to raise to the rank of jonin. That's one reason of many of why jonins are rare.

[@calvinstraveldreams]

Obito-Sensei by Ser Serendipity confirms this as Obito in that fic is a Jonin and is at least near/at Kage level. I would estimate that thousands of shinobi who had AT LEAST Jonin-level, if not Kage-level potential died in the Great Ninja Wars, and even though you could argue that without war there would have been less incentive to get stronger, the Great Ninja Wars and unrest that occurred in the aftermath hurt the Ninja Villages more than they helped-by a lot (this is also a major plothole with the Uchiha Massacre, as the Leaf Village was effectively crippling itself by eliminating numerous Chunin, Jonin, and even Kage-level shinobi-unless the Leaf elders expected Itachi to only eliminate part of the clan before himself dying (enough to prevent a coup and force the Uchiha back into line, but not enough to wipe out the Uchiha and cripple the Leaf Village’s military)).

[@calvinstraveldreams]

@@azureascendant994 Further weakening the shinobi villages are the policies various Kage put in place surrounding the noble clans, specifically in regards to which jutsu various clan heirs actually learn, and thus how strong they can realistically get. Specifically, the problem is that the Kage allow clans to get away with ONLY teaching their clan-specific jutsu and not anything beyond that (and even limiting their heirs from learning techniques outside of the clan-specific ones)-which drastically reduces the village’s military power, and weakens connections between the clans and the village. The explanation DygoKnight gave (in Rewriting Naruto Part 34) that the Hyuga don’t allow their own clan members to learn techniques outside of the Gentle Fist (outside of basic academy techniques) is a perfect example of this, as if it is true then it utterly cripples the Leaf Village’s military, because it effectively ensures that numerous shinobi with Kekkei Genkai equivalent to the 3 Tomoe Sharingan (or even a very weak Mangekyō with only one dojutsu and no Susano’o) will only ever reach mid-high Jonin level when they have High Kage/Sannin-level potential (a Hyuga with genjutsu, shadow clones, body flicker, and mastery of at least 2 nature transformations IN ADDITION TO Gentle Fist would likely be a very high-Kage level shinobi). Given the rather desperate circumstances the Leaf Village found itself in when Tsunade got the Hokage’s office, if I were Tsunade one of the first things I would do would be to remind these clans and their leaders (especially the Hyuga under Hiashi) that they are Leaf Shinobi first, and order them to allow their clan members to learn techniques OTHER than clan-specific ones. Furthermore, I would tell the clan leaders that if they were to refuse to comply with said orders, then I would have the clans they represent stripped of noble status due to refusing to pull their weight.

[@azureascendant994]

@@calvinstraveldreams Well the current village system benefits the noble Shinobi clans than it does the regular ninja without a name. In the chunin exams those who have biological abilities and specific clan jutsu are more likely to succeed than the average ninja. To even out the playing field I'd rule out the use of kekkei-genkai like sharingan and other cheat moves in the chunin exams.

[@Nasiruify]

The anbu, a group so good at their job that they can’t be seen in boruto

[@magnum155]

Interesting video. A few nitpicky details that don't really matter but I wanted to point out because why not: 1. Anbu members aren't just jonin or tokubetsu jonin. Itachi wasn't a jonin when he joined Anbu, and neither was Hinoko, a character from Shikamaru Hiden (if you consider it canon). 2. Tsume was never stated to be the head of the Inuzuka clan. It would make sense for her to be the head since, if not her, then who? She has the strongest presence in the clan. But at the same time... it doesn't make much sense, given her rank. Pretty weird situation.

[@giannixx]

Crazy to think that Itachi was a Chunin. Well, if we consider that life circunstances also made so Naruto and Sasuke became Kage level and beyond while still being Genin...

[@WealthIsHealth247]

It is probably more than 23, probably closer to 50-100 even though that's still not a lot- every year the academy graduates students- in naruto's class there was 30- and some years it could be more or less. But if naruto's was an average that would mean 10 jonin without teams need to be available every year to take students, and assuming the 33% pass, 3 of those jonin would not be available the following year unless all of their students became chunin or died/quit. So those three would need to be replaced. Based on the series, even though the rookie 9 is very talented it still takes til after the time skip for almost everyone to become a chunin- so assuming a turn around time of at least 2-3 years before those jonin go back into rotation at a minimum. Even so we also never see the jonin that took teams take another team again throughout the series, so it is possible that jonin are numerous enough that it is only a requirement for them to ever take one team to train and they never have to do it again or they get a reprieve of many years before having to take a team again.

[@Uzukis]

Ebisu was leading a team even though he was just a special jonin, so that would mean you don't have to be a jonin

[@WealthIsHealth247]

@@UzukisAh good point I was trying to think of any special jonin that had teams and couldnt- but I forgot about ebisu

[@GGhi8976]

we KNOW it more than that much like if you look at the first chunin exam konoha had more than 87 people that made it into the exam room. there should be more if you think about how its supposed to be the first unoffical exam the room trick.

[@サイヤ人の王子]

​@@Uzukis Special Jonin are refered as Jonin in the story, Ebisu was actually a Jonin, he's not below other Jonin in military rank

[@Uzukis]

@@サイヤ人の王子 The whole video (as well as the original comment) was about how few actual jonins there are, as the rest are Tokubetsu Jonin. As to whether special jonins are below regular jonins or not I don't think was explicitely stated. My interpretation is Tokubetsu Jonin are ninja that are on Jonin level in few fields, but in others are not quite there yet to be considered Jonin. And Ebisu is a special jonin, confirmed by databooks

[@minnumseerrund]

Look at the difference between the Sound/Sand attack on Konoha and the Madara war. There are prolly less than 50 shinobi attacking Konoha in the first example, and that's 2 hidden villages trying to take out the single strongest one. But 3 years later each village has tens of thousands shinobi

[@Themrine2013]

theres more attacking th village.

[@EckhartLuthor]

@@Themrine2013 the anime stated that there were more or less 100 shinobi from the combined sound and sand.

[@Seatek_Ark]

The Aburame would have more Jonin, but Danzo recruits them all.

[@lydculture5180]

Yes exactly . That damn danzo😂

[@Mendoza-yi6qk]

Isn't it stated that Konoha has less ninjas than the rest of the villages but their ninjas were also more powerful than the average of the other villages?

[@vannieuwenbergwilliam7792]

Factually, Kumo and Kiri should be leagues ahead of the other villages in quality. Kumo has the best standard training, all their shinobi are at least decent and can use kenjutsu to a decent level. Standard training means it's easier to mass produce a strong baseline and with a strong baseline the ones who stand out can only be stronger than with Konoha's weak ass baseline (or Iwa who only has a mass of civilian level untrained genin with a royal family and a few body guards who're the only competent shinobi in the entire country and who are the definition of quality over quantity...because they actually use all the resources at their disposal for themselves while keeping their subordinates weak and easy to dispose of, maintaining their power with little difficulty). Kiri has this constant witch hunt of the kekkei genkai, so the shinobi who survived the hunts on each side are powerful and cruel for the most part. Kiri is the closest to a ninja village in the Western sense, it's isolated, in a place where it has massive terrain advantage in a giant diameter around it, its' shinobi are told how to kill efficiently (the spots to target enunciated by Zabuza) and use tricks to get to their target (hiding in the mist, which no other village has an equivalent of, and then there's Kakashi's hiding like a mole which he forgot to use against Zabuza despite being his best way to deal with him, and that he already knew in the bell test). Kimimaro is the expected product of his environment, "survival of the fittest", and he's a total monster like Kisame but with a completely OP kekkei genkai that was only limited due to his sickness or he would have been an endgame boss after the time skip.

[@GuyChooo]

Well yeah, most if not all of the otsutsuki descendants are on leaf, of course they are powerful 😅

[@footballstats9127]

The databook gave koniha 5 stars in population so no

[@anvos658]

@@vannieuwenbergwilliam7792 Yeah its very hard to see how Kohonoha produces more elite ninja, when their academy doesn't even teach their prospective genin things that should be basic, like a basic genjutsu, walking on vertical objects and water without tools, knowing what your basic elemental release and its basic ability is.

[@remmborn8154]

@@anvos658they dont produce more ninja , the average cloud shinobi is stronger for example they just produce the best ninja and its never really cause of the leaf it just so happens alot of the otsutsuki influence connects to the leaf and in the naruto verse the otsutuski are the originators of power for them

[@Marshwiggles]

That makes sense. It also tallies with Kakashi's comment about only about 9 Gennin making it from the academy. If there were few Jonin, they wouldn't want to waste the Jonin's time with Gennin that wouldn't make it past that rank.

[@myfredo32]

It's strange to hear you correct these "misperceptions' on jonin, because I've never heard them. Your 'corrections' are what I thought people thought...still a good video :))

[@Giang_as_artist]

So how does the team squat system work? I mean for every 3 genins, there must be a jonin supervisor. In Naruto’s graduation year, there are 10 teams, which mean 10 jonins. Suppose after 5 years, the genins grow up and don’t need supervision anymore, then there should be at anytime 50 jonins for only supervision task, not to mention someone like Guy or Kakashi only lead 1 team and never lead another team. So technically about 150 jonins must be always available for the leading genin teams task, which is super huge in comparison to the number of jonins

[@LucasAlves-og3so]

As a guy pointed out somewhere in the comments, the Tokubetsu Jonin's can also lead a team like in Ebisu's case

[@Giang_as_artist]

@@LucasAlves-og3soeven though, the number of special jonins is also not high. In Naruto’s generation, only Kurenai is special jonin, every other team is lead by a normal jonin

[@tylerjewell8494]

It’s dumb to assume the only Jonin in are mentioned in the show. I bet there are hundreds that never get mentioned.

[@princeyoutuber-yq8hf]

No you assuming stuff doesnt mean shit

[@anvos658]

@@princeyoutuber-yq8hf The sheer numbers present in the war imply there has to be hordes of unknown ninja and that we just never see, as the academies would take centuries to build up those numbers without accounting for death of old age. Thus there isn't much assuming that we just follow the exceptional members of each rank. Plus less than two dozen people couldn't handle every A and S rank mission for their major nation and minor ones that contract out, given you need to be jonin for state missions.

[@takeshikujo2909]

You know, I have this head canon of mine that the Inuzuka who was with Minato, who apparently is the only Jonin Inuzuka ever, Gaku Inuzuka, is Hana and Kiba’s father. I can see it. I mean, he is the only Jonin and Tsume as an Alpha would go for the strong type, but he also looks like the kind of guy who would run from her overly dominating personality sooner or later like Kiba said. That’s just my own little theory.

[@saltyk9869]

I always figured like 10% of all ninja were Jonin. Probably 40-50% are Chunin, and the other 40-50% (60% at most) are Genin. The series makes it clear that Chunin are able to lead missions (so probably whole teams of Chunin or even mixed with Genin). To be a Jonin means you are the best of the best. The fandom simply has a skewed perspective as we are following the likes of Kakashi, the Sanin, and other Kage level fighters. Kage level is probably the Top 1% in most villages.

[@tusharagarwal5306]

It's more like 70% chunins 20% genins and 10% jonins.

[@saltyk9869]

@@tusharagarwal5306I don't know about that. You gotta figure that Genin are constantly graduating. And let's be honest, Chunin are probably dying as well.

[@ColombianoSuperior]

How about the Tobuketsu (special) Jonin, those guys are probably more common than a Jonin since they’re a lower rank.

[@hazard_696_3]

In my own head cannon in part one. Kakashi, Guy, Asuma, Kurenei, Genma, Anko, Ibiki. I know some of those are special like Ibiki being the leader of interrogation squad. I’m probably forgetting some people.

[@adrian_veidt]

I still would've love some stories of the konoha 12 having their own squad of genins.

[@markjangus]

Dude i love this new editing stylle

[@Shai-r3q]

"Itachi, Fugaku, Shisui... And ummmm all the other Konoha Police" He obviously didnt say it like that, but it felt like that. Not that I would have a better answer but it seemed funny.

[@carlosnguyen2867]

Upon learning this, I thought about how they had 20 cloud Jonins chased after Tobirama and 2 of them were Ginkaku and Kinkaku. The only Kages I think could survive that are Hashirama and Naruto (with Kurama mode on of course)

[@saikaje]

Thank you. Such a good video.

[@PetyrC90]

Of course the number was bigger. They just weren't showed.

[@nahte123456]

It's a funny matter of perspective. In-universe even characters like Kiba are a big deal, top 1%. But we're so used to characters like Naruto, Bee, or Kakashi that this gets completely obscured.

[@Themrine2013]

people also seem to forget that there are konoha clans that live outside the village also. hell there are even ninja that live outside the village.

[@AndroidUTJ4]

5:46 It's nice to learn about the different clans in Konoha.

[@Drop0sauce]

Actually not all high level ninja were Jounin due to battle strength some exceptionally well in let’s say genjutsu or the intel unit

[@lobaoguara2332]

Theoretically, what do you think is the percentage of a Jounin in the villages in Media considering all the ninjas? 5%? 10% 1%?

[@HC-gm4fo]

Probably same percentage of basketball players, who make it to the NBA

[@kylenetherwood8734]

That's pretty easy to estimate. There were 80k shinobi in the alliance so assuming the Leaf is a fifth of that, there are 16k shinobi in the Leaf excluding children. For convenience, let's say there are about 32 jounin in Konoha, so 32/16000 = 2/1000 = 0.2%. This is approximate but I think we can safely say it is below 1%.

[@lobaoguara2332]

​If we used the Dygo assumption, it would be 230/16000. I would give at least 1.83% of the konoha ninjas would be Jounin. It would even be possible to use some other logic to calculate other classifications.

[@danielnebrazcar5619]

Fuu Yamanaka Is also a Jounin Torune aburame as well

[@justinarzola4584]

Fuu and Torune were jobbers and easily folded by Obito,they were only useful as sacrifices for Kabuto's edo tensei.

[@princeyoutuber-yq8hf]

@@justinarzola4584 They werent jobbers they were assasins not meant to fight yet they figured out kamui(tho they didnt have a counter for it) not to mention that obito was the worst match up for toroune also they did better against obito than the entire leaf squad that fought obito in the itachii persuit arc

[@andycampbell8622]

You’d think Hyuga would be loaded. Op ocular jutsu, and gentle fist which is perfect for countering shinobi. I’d figure once they got the clan training down, they’d be about Jo in anyways. They do have their own school after all

[@namillion1120]

as a boruto fan, i think you should 100% put your videos back on public. not only should negative criticisms be welcome in any community but you should be allowed to have an opinion. i suppose my only suggestion would be is not mention "how people think boruto is good" (as in you'll make a point of the writing being bad and you were like "and somehow people think this shit is good but it's garbage" - keep others out of it and keep posting your opinion. i enjoyed them. it's not a perfect story and im sure there are many people like me who like listening to people objectively measuring the story. i hate on one piece, and boruto, all of the time but still love it. it's cool to have some duality in your opinion

[@bobjohnson1633]

I thought it was pretty well established that chunin lead teams, so jounin were few and far between.

[@netero1682]

There are many Jounin, but at what level can they aspire to Kage level? There are few, if you take Kakashi or Gai as a reference it is a wrong assessment. Among the Jounin there are exceptions like Kakashi for example.

[@justinarzola4584]

Gai was contending with a kage level threat like Madara and Kakashi contended with a alien god Kaguya,it is rare for a jonin to be able to reach those levels

[@AsukaDrag]

Kakashi, Jiraya and Gai, (and maybe Asuma, I guess), aren't just Jonin. They're Elite Jonin. Yes, they're Elite 'elite ninja' XP. In all seriousness, that's when you start getting into things like S-class ninja, rather than the formal military rank of Jonin they share with A, and maybe even some B-class ninja.

[@netero1682]

@@AsukaDrag Although Asuma was an elite ninja, he was two levels or more below Kakashi, Jiraiya or Gai, Kurenai even more. That's my point, the level within elite ninjas is not the same.

[@minmin8580]

​@@netero1682I like how you put Jiraiya on the same level as Gai or Kakashi. I mean sure at the end of the series they're much stronger than him but as a Sannin he was always above them in terms of hierarchy within the village wherein only the Hokage is above them in rank. This applies to Tsunade also before she was even a Hokage. That's why people refer to them as Lord and Lady.

[@jason15212]

Kakashi Jiraiya(technically he’s Jōnin) Gai Asuma Kurenai Ebisu ( special) Genma (special) Raido(special) Anko (special) Neji Shizune Choza Shikaku Inoichi Shibi Hizashi Hayate(special I think) Ibiki (special) That’s what I remember but you can kinda assume all the Anbu are at least in the ball park of Jonin or higher. It’s said that the majority of shinobi are chunin .

[@TheBobbyONeill]

Is ten times what you counted really a generous assumption tho? If you were to count all the leaf ninja we’ve ever gotten any info on it be less than 1,330, and that’s one tenth the amount of ninjas that we’re assuming come from the leaf.

[@bindair_dundat]

When Yamato trained Naruto his elemental chakra, he said that each ninja has one starter elemental affinity, but can learn more elements as well, like Yamato, Kakashi and Sasuke have. And he says that mastering two elements is a requirement for becoming a jonin. And this is what we never really see later. Most ninjas kept using the special techniques of their clans and rarely anything else. They didn't even have one chakra element. Imagine Chouji's big ball technique with fire element, or Kiba's and Akamaru's two-headed giant dog spewing lightning.

[@aceclover758]

It’s not a requirement. Yamato simply said most jonin know at least two chakra natures

[@spitfiremanlizerd]

There should probably be even fewer Jonin. I think they should be Hokage candidates, like a Cardinal in the church. Special Jonin would be more common.

[@christophery.jenkins7668]

I think it makes sense that the number of jonins are low as they would be comparable to a general in a normal military, so having only a few does kind of make sense

[@StarKushExoticGalaxy]

Can u make a video on all the rogue ninjas we know of in the naruto world

[@DrugzMunny]

The numbers definitely don't make sense when you consider how many chunin and up participated in the Allied Shinobi Forces vs how many shinobi get promoted during a typical chunin exam vs how often a chunin exam is held vs how many visible jonin and chunin seem to exist in the Leaf. In the Part 1 chunin exam, only 4 ninjas got promoted to chunin exam from all participating villages combined, and only 1 was from the Leaf, and no one above rookie status received a promotion. The chunin exam is supposedly held every 6 months, but we've seen that sometimes it has gaps where it doesn't get held for like 2.5 years. So you'd figure that, in a 20 year period, the Leaf village would experience about 40 or so chunin promotions. Perhaps 10 or 20 or them would d*e during that time period, so there would probably only be about 25 total chunin or higher between age 15 and 35. It's likely that a lot of chunin never hit jonin due to lack of talent, so of those 25 who are chunin or higher, the breakdown is probably about 8 jonin 17 chunin. Some of the Five Great Nations like the Sand have even less ninja personnel than the Leaf does; while others perhaps have many more. But there's no way that the Allied Shinobi Forces would add up to 80,000. 250, I could believe. For there to be as many chunin as there are in the world, the chunin exams should have many more candidates attempting it, and many more promotions handed out every cycle.

[@itaohs5551]

actually crazy that I never considered the amount of jonins in the village lmao shit got so powercrept I kinda just figured most background characters were that rank

[@Warlogic12]

Could you do a jonin count for the cloud village?

[@edot5486]

Wish we got to see more of Hiashi. Definitely seemed like he was one of the more powerful jonin along with kakashi and gai.

[@jlinus7251]

I dont get how Jounin senseis could be a thing if there are this few Jounin to go around. Chunin senseis would make more sense

[@_arrhidaios_4779]

At least from the data around them we know that Genma and Raido are beasts.

[@anthonyharkley]

Can we get a Jonin list for the other villages?

[@JeremyB8419]

The Special Jounin aren’t necessarily weaker than the Jounin. They’re just only strong at less than three of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu. Gai, as an example, would technically be a Special Jounin, since he has no genjutsu, and the only ninjutsu he has is his turtle summoning. Aoba, as another example, is far stronger in his area of expertise than other Jounin are.

[@purnamamerindu8166]

Yeah true, only Kakashi and Asuma are all round

[@theking8347]

Guy CAN use genjutsu and ninjutsu, he just refuses to do so. He's a regular Jonin not a special one.

[@brendonohagan1946]

​@@theking8347thank you

[@OK-yy6qz]

​@@theking8347 not even sure if he refuses to do so they're just not that useful when compared to his Broken Taijutsy. Genjutsu in general were kinda discarded in the show for anyone that doesn't have a Sharingan

[@GGhi8976]

Aoba is another example of someone that should be a jonin. Like he has A rank mastery of all three levels also he lead a team of chunins. I low key think T- Jounins are people still in the ANBU and can't offically be promoted to Jounin unless they leave the ANBU.

[@Penjaminss]

This was just a though I had while watching this video is that they diffidently had more then one graduating class every year. We see that narutos class was maybe 40-100 people if we are being highly conservative but even that is not nearly enough to fill the ranks of the village. 13k ninja atleast im sorry but nah. My guess would be that for some reason (prolly cuz he a jinchurik) is that naruto was put in the highest skill level class. We see most of the kids of the clan leaders (shikamaru, ino, choji, kiba, shino, hinata, sasuke. I feel like this makes the most sense with the very little of thinking iv put into this( the time it took me to write it)

[@emkalina]

if there are 13000 ninjas in Konoha how many years would take to aducate them as only like 9 graduate yearly from the academy? or one in 6 minths becomes a chunin? also you forgot about Kabuto's former sensei

[@HC-gm4fo]

That’s public school at its finest

[@VanLe-gk3ie]

One of the most ridiculous parts about the War Arc is how 13,000 Konoha shinobis popped out of nowhere to become fodders to be slaughtered.

[@bobjohnson1633]

Yes, most of the ninja are already ninja. Ninja die regularly and ninja are added regularly. Most ninja are genin in squads lead by chunin. Let's say 10:1 ratio genin to chunin and again chunin to jounin. 10,000 genin is 1,000 chunin, is 100 jounin. Most of these characters are NOT in the series.

[@magnum155]

Yeah, the scale we see in the war arc doesn't make sense if we consider only canon information and take it for granted. Fanfics often come up with their own systems and explanations to account for this, like special graduation conditions, Genin Corps and promotions outside of chunin exams.

[@HC-gm4fo]

Iruka is just 1 instructor at the Academy

[@virgoproxy]

i fr didnt even remember tokubetsu jonin were a thing, i rlly just thought it went genin, chunin, jonin

[@Memo-yh4nc]

Like most fictional stories with huge worlds like Naruto, we only see a small percentage of the people who live in this world. So there’s probably hundreds or maybe thousands of Jounins per village.

[@justinarzola4584]

Many of them are going on missions and not tyed to the main story which is why they aren't seen much.

[@dejones803]

Aoba, Ibiki, Genma, Raido, Hayate, Tokuma, Muta, Anko, are all Tokubetsu Jonin. You should count them

[@princeyoutuber-yq8hf]

They onnly have jounin skills in one particular criteria

[@デンジュモク-c4i]

Tokubetsu jonin is a rank between jonin and chunin. They are basically a separate class below the jonin, although they have jonin-class abilities in one particular field.

[@Toxik431]

I thought like every member of the Konoha 12 minus Naruto & Sasuke for obvious plot reasons were Jonin rank at the start of Shupden, also tbh I feel like Naruto not being given at least Chunin Rank upon his return is a fairly big oversight since he’s certainly way stronger than like any other Genin and honestly should’ve been promoted even sooner back in the Konoha Crush arc in Part 1

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

There is more to chunin than just raw strength,u have to prove your intelligence and ability to lead a team , Naruto had none of these

[@byronstone386]

At the start of Shippuden Sakura explained that everyone took the chunin exams and passed so they were all chunin except Neji cuz he jumped straight to Jonin

[@Toxik431]

@@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218 eh maybe the inability to lead a team tho in fairness I don’t recall him ever really being given a chance to show his ability in that area outside maybe the war arc if you wanna stretch it, but while he’s certainly not the smartest guy ever he’s not as dumb some may think, he’s shown to be very capable of coming up with on the fly strategies ( as have many others tbf ) but also later learns things like Sage Mode and in Part 1 learns the Rasengan something a small list of people can do that also includes some of the strongest and smartest characters in the series, part of Naruto being dumb if I remember right stims from Kurama messing with his chakra early on and acting out to get attention as a kid, another point to his intelligence would be the Rasenshuriken something that not even Minato could do and his intelligence is towards the top in the verse.

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@Toxik431 Cope

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

@@Toxik431 yeah your right

[@nyanbrox5418]

I think it would make more sense if the majority of the ninjas in the war arc were instead Genin I would do something like, 60% of ninjas actually don't make it past genin or something, and then yeah only a handful make it to jonin

[@VideoMania89]

Hey Dygo, hope you have a good day

[@DygoKnight]

You too!

[@ilyaslakrati4394]

I was always under the assumption that they were much more common, the fact that they're out there babysitting some kids make zero sense now.

[@safeandsound712]

Might Guy was technically a jonin but I'd argue he's above most Kage in the history of the verse. Even just 7th gate would just slap stomp a lot of GoKage from other villages and I'd argue he'd be able to put up a good fight against most of the Hokage except the god level ones. But if you give him 8 gates I think there's a chance he could kill any Hokage, maybe like 1 of 10 times but still it could happen

[@pkj2148]

1/10? Night Guy stomps all except Naruto.

[@safeandsound712]

@@pkj2148 I think hashirama could be debatable but yeah I'm on board with you man guy is the strongest person that doesn't have a bullshit power up IMO. Just hard work and determination

[@takeshikujo2909]

Now this is a video up for discussion! 🤩

[@flight_knight_]

Jonin is indeed a high rank. However tank obviously isn’t everything. I think Members of the ANBU or Daiymo and Hokage Aids are considered elite as well. Also the time period might mean a lot because we know different ninja eras had varying strength especially during the wars.

[@PlayMyMusic92]

Wasn’t one of Danzo’s bodyguards during the 5 kage summit a Jonin from the Yamanaka clan ????

[@aytaf5430]

He was listing the one under the kage tsunade, that dude was from the root so he didnt count him.

[@StarKushExoticGalaxy]

Fuu

[@lamabeanz1447]

Hokage is a Genin🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@Joshua_N-A]

The Senju bros were the exceptions as the system hasn't been invented yet in their days.

[@luc7478]

originally One Piece should only be a 5 years story in shonen jump. but the editors managed to stretch it to +25 years. for example in chapter 1 Shanks losing his arm was the editor's idea, and adding 7 warlords and 12 Worst generation pirates is also the editor's ideas

[@buddhablessings3595]

Gai knows ninjutsu he just doesn't use it he has a summoning turtle

[@chaohunterdaniel3005]

Pretty sure there were more Jonin that just weren't shown since like, there's already enough characters in Naruto

[@Joshua_N-A]

They would be side characters at best, just to move the plot or as background characters to fill in the blanks in the scenery.

[@chaohunterdaniel3005]

@@Joshua_N-A I agree, making them important would be a mess

[@mangareader7474]

You know i assuming that once your clan leader become a jonin you dont have to rank up cause there giving you the orders

[@jason15212]

I don’t remember but kakashi originally was said to be 9 or 10 when he was jonin because he’s young than everyone in his class and was the youngest jonin in part 1. Obito Gai Rin and others were 13 when kakashi became jonin not kakashi himself.

[@apaladinoflight305]

If we compared the ninja ranks to sorcerers, then jonin would probably be Grade1, tokubetsu jonin semi grade 1 or 2 and chunin grade 2 and probably grade 3??

[@visencorp6502]

You forgot to mention ricky, a jonin in the same batch with kakashi but never appeared in his flashback probably because he is an outcast and never socializing with others. And despite he is a jonin, a supposed to be elite ninja, he only shows in the screen either being captured (Kakashi flash back) or getting killed (pain attack).

[@HardCoverJacket]

There are elite chunin or special chunin who could easily be Jonin but dont upgrade to Jonin. Remember the forever genin and Naruto....so their official rank could be deceptive of their actual power level. What rank is Sasuke? A genin?

[@Clouded-Logic]

If Genin are nearly always placed in three man squads with a Jonin teacher, then you would assume you have a little more than about 1/3 as many Jonin as Genin (at a given time). Granted if I were to look at the info on the villages from an outside in perspective without any of the information I have (IE the leaf has *this* many ninja under it), I would assume that the leaf is the main head quarters of the village, and that they have outposts and such where other members are stationed.

[@DygoKnight]

It doesn't have to he a jonin, Ebisu was a special Jonin and was assign Konohamaru and his team

[@Draber2b]

Chunins lead genin teams too. It's just that Chunins don't happen to be instructors (as far as I've seen) and that's why we rarely see them in the series. However, during a mission (without a goal to learn) Chunins are often leaders.

[@Clouded-Logic]

@@DygoKnight pretty sure ebisu was a special case. Chunnin were (to my knowledge) only shown in more public type rolls (school teachers/exam proctors). I don’t any other cell leader was said to not be a jonin off the top of my head.

[@ColombianoSuperior]

I would say 50% Genin 25% Chunin 15% Special (Tobuketsu) Jonin 10% or less are Jonin

[@ImTitan16]

Remember when jonin were actually powerful

[@ayhamahmad2277]

Remember chapter one and Naruto vs sasuke power fight in the of part one and madara power was being hinted in part one and his fight with hashirama was established in the end of part one so and titans fight and a massive water dragon so please remember that and stop complaining about power creap it's important to increase the stakes so people will care so if Naruto didn't have these types of fight it will not be pupuler and Shippuden fight are way pupuler than part one especially the war arc it's not perfect but still great and don't forget everything that happens in Shippuden was established in part one

[@s.n2500]

There’s no way the actual number on ninja per village is 13,000. I think realistically it should be 500 at most

[@QWERTY-gp8fd]

assuming atleast 0.2% of village is ninja based on the population percentage of current japan and jsdf. average village population would be around 6 million ppl.

[@kingofthenorth2297]

There are so much more jonin then we think there are definitely

[@nickte2609]

Dont forget that both the akimichi and hyuga are of the 4 noble clans too. So them having a few more jonin makes sense. Jonin s are really rare. Hokage guards are not jonin. They are usually special jonin with exceptions from the anbu. Also most likely not all anbu are pure jonins. Most of them would be special jonins. Even in the foundation where Danzo literaly gathered the elitest talents of the village and trained them since childhood not all were jonin. For example Sai was not exactly jonin rank yet. He was high chuunin in shipuden but was not considered jonin just yet. So not all anbu are jonin either. You made a fair assesment od the number of jonins. I think at best there were only a few more that were never introduced at best. Kurenai was a generational genius too. She became jonin and her best jutsu was genjutsu and she was not from any prominent clan either. Kakashi and Minato too (even though Kakashi s father was also a genius).

[@TnA-hf8gx]

Shikamaru was also promoted during the time skip, him and neji were the only ones to get promoted to jonin before shippuden out of the Konoha 13

[@サイヤ人の王子]

No, Shikamaru was still a Chunin...

[@CharlesBosarge-ql7dh]

I'm glad this vid brought up sanin being a title not rank. So basically speaking. Your typical ninja will never be a jonin. That's an elite rank.

[@Chrysamer77]

When I was watching ninja war arc, I did counting and came with numbers of each rank in each village, plus currently on missions. I don't remember all of it, but I think I got about 200 jonin in Leaf.

[@ajeshkharel5]

You didn't tell that the jonin you counted were only from Konoha village, a small fraction of whole Land of Fire. And there were 15,000 ninjas from Land of Fire.

[@orckingi1208]

That sounds about right.

[@martinroberts7608]

Isn’t it crazy that’s all of Naruto’s friends parents are clans heads 😅

[@komlat253]

The huuga are considered the strongest clan in the village. They probably make up the most and probably alot

[@gabrielsantosdesouza8103]

Wow, that's kinda awesome to think about it

[@napping7674]

I think there are actually more jounins in the leaf but its is not shown which also explains why in the 4th war there are seem to ve mor3 shinobi its juts that most of them are not even shown as at least side characters whem the story was running