Dylan Holloway & Philip Broberg Are As Good As Gone...

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The St. Louis Blues have tendered offer sheets to Oilers defensemen Philip Broberg and forward Dylan Holloway earlier today...
Honestly, I knew it was to good to be true. This offseason couldn't have started any better and look what's happened. I personally believe that if Ken Holland or just any GM that was respected was hired by the Oilers this would not have happened... and I strongly believe this. But who knows.............
Anyway, now the Oilers have some work to do. In this video I breakdown the situation and give you my thoughts on what I think the Oilers should do and will do!
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Thanks for everything guys and see you in the next one!

[@AskAScreenwriter]

According to RFA rules, if a team matches an offer sheet, they can't turn around and trade that player for at least a year.

[@TheOptimus212]

I can see the Oilers matching Holloway and letting Broberg go. It's very unfortunate but it's business I guess.

[@barstar888]

Let them both go

[@user-iz3gv5vo6b]

Nope, they'll likely match both offers and perhaps trade after a year. They are BOTH 1st Rd picks that are finally ready to be full time NHLers. After 1 season, they can get much more than a 2nd and a 3rd back.

[@wainber1]

The Blues' proposed offer to Broberg contains what I'd say is a ridiculously high per-season cap hit for a d-man with nowhere near the point production of Quinn Hughes. A near-US$4.851 million per-season cap hit is well above the US$1-to-US$1.5-million range that I'd call reasonable for a rather unproven d-man. Yet crazier things have happened, with last September the signing by the Sens of d-man Jake Sanderson, by then having entered the final season of his entry-level contract with the same team, to a ridiculous 8-season US$64.4-million contract. The term may be a bit much but my goodness is the per-season cap hit, US$8.05 million, in the stratosphere, on a team with no post-2017 playoff appearance just yet. There comes a point when it's just time to let players who are offer-sheeted go.

[@seanmyers5703]

@@wainber1 Whats that about Quinn Hughes?

[@wainber1]

@@seanmyers5703Hughes is what I consider to be a more elite d-man than Broberg.

[@Sabresenthusiast]

Sabres fan here just making my way through the universe

[@Honkookoong]

Good luck to you

[@TheAngryCanadian1109]

This would all be over if we just traded Ceci for future considerations, it is so easy just trade ceci for free we dont miss out much

[@reignofrock]

We'd have to sweeten the deal for a team to take his contract.

[@TheAngryCanadian1109]

@@reignofrock we will give them onlyfans subscriptions as a sweetener

[@TheAngryCanadian1109]

@@reignofrock we just give em season tickets

[@TheAngryCanadian1109]

@@reignofrock and the power of love and friendship

[@homielander5924]

@@TheAngryCanadian1109this ain’t naruto

[@CupCrazySTL]

Doug Armstrong is a Savage! One of the best GMs in the league!!

[@justinohlman2227]

The only downfall to Doug Armstrong is all the no movement clause

[@ryu_street_fighter561]

Bowman = Bad Karma

[@user-iz3gv5vo6b]

My Initial reaction was: Damn! Armstrong screwed us. He probably wouldn't have pulled this crap if Holland was still around. Then, after some contemplation: 1) This is a normal course of business and management should have had this scenario played out the day that they extended the QOs (the day after the draft). 2) They should match both because: Both are first round picks that are worth far more than a 3rd (Holloway) and a 2nd (Broberg). The Oilers are a contending team, and should act like one instead of letting another franchise dictate their roster. After one year, the Oilers can trade either of them away for far more than a 3rd and a 2nd rd pick if they choose to do so. 3) To make the money work, the team will now need to BOTH put Kane on LTIR (or have him agree to a trade) AND trade away Ceci or Kulak. Kane going on LTIR is now almost a must. 4) The Oilers are an older team with some slower players like Perry and Ryan, so letting the 2 youngest players , both great skating, leave would be a terrible decision. 5) It's like ChiaPete was put on this earth just to damage the Oilers as long as he's alive. Overall: It's just business. You knew that this was a high possibility (both were on the lists for most likely RFAs to get offer sheets) after all. Wait the full 7 days, and match the offers. They can be over the cap and fix the cap before the season starts.

[@mctoads8230]

Can we fire Bowman yet

[@wainber1]

The AboveAverage KZbin man certainly claimed the Oilers should never have hired Stan Bowman. Although I agree with the KZbinr on the Oilers' having been wrong to hire Bowman, whether because of that hiring the Blues offer-sheeted Broberg and Holloway isn't as clear. Both players completed entry-level contracts and from the Oilers received qualifying offers although it would've been unusual for neither to have received a QO as: - neither would've been allowed to exercise arbitration rights after having received a QO - more commonly restricted free agents with eligibility to, upon the expiries of their contracts, exercise arbitration rights at times won't get to do so because only if they receive QOs do they get to exercise such rights Carter Savoie, who in June completed his entry-level contract, unusually for pending RFAs not eligible to exercise arbitration rights, didn't receive a QO, sending him into unrestricted free agency. TBD still is whether he'll play under contract to an NHL team or have to take his chances signing an AHL, ECHL or even overseas contract.

[@petermoroz6556]

Blame Ken Holland, for not signing them last January when they were in the Minors. Bowman has shit too do with it. He has bigger fish to sign

[@lordgoogoo69]

Can’t see them not making it work for Holloway. Broberg gone, hopefully lesson learned. Don’t develop a 1st rounder and put yourself in a position to let them walk once they are lineup ready

[@twillison8824]

If one has to go, keep Hollywood and let broberg walk.

[@BentleyMundell]

They have plenty of forwards, young defenseman they dont

[@twillison8824]

@BentleyMundell good point, but the apparent bad blood from broberg being sent down is something that could be an issue going forward.

[@toddjhunking8495]

D men take longer to develop. You gotta keep Broberg. He's a lot better then Ceci. Holloway will be a 3rd liner at best.

[@wainber1]

It's tempting to say that Ceci should be gone, and it's possible Broberg will turn out to be a better d-man than Ceci. Does Broberg have that Quinn Hughes (QH) point-producing quality in him? To get to that I will start with QH, who the Canucks had selected 7th during the 2018 NHL Entry Draft and whose point production in the NCAA, for the University of Michigan, was good for a d-man. It's tempting to say the Canucks massively overpaid for QH although he had on average put up well over ½ point/game (PPG) during his 1st 2 seasons of NHL action (2019-20 and 2020-21) including in the 2020 postseason. He hasn't skipped too many beats and last regular season he actually produced on average OVER a PPG. How has Broberg done by contrast? Even ½ PPG at the NHL level in regular-season or postseason play has been beyond what so far he's managed. Furthermore, he's been up-and-down, and that's DESPITE his having been a top-10 pick. Arber Xhehaj, who didn't even get drafted by an NHL team, played for 2 different Ontario Hockey League teams before signing, for the 2022-23 NHL season, an entry-level contract with the Habs, who offered him, on his 2nd contract, a US$1.3-million per-season cap hit (PSCH) over 2 seasons. Does Broberg deserver a higher PSCH than Xhehaj, with the latter d-man's ability to throw the body around? I dunno if Broberg is a heavy hitter but Nikita Zadorov sure was with the Canucks this past season. Back in 2018 the Habs drafted centre Jesperi Kotkaniemi, fresh off a season with Ässät in his homeland's top men's pro-hockey league (Liiga), at 3rd overall, and signed him to an entry-level contract during the month after having drafted him. Yet even with his having averaged UNDER ½ PPG during regular-season and postseason play with the Habs, the Canes surprisingly offered him a 1-season US$6.1-million contract that he hadn't hesitated to sign. The Habs didn't match that crazy # although it might've been good for them that they hadn't. Maybe it won't be so bad for the Oilers to let go of Broberg because as much as d-men may take more time to develop than forwards, there's only so much a team that drafted a player can do if an offer sheet contains a crazy PSCH.

[@toddjhunking8495]

@@wainber1 so you gage a defensemen by points per game when there's such a thing as it staying at home defenseman. QH might be good in Vancouver but I know very much he would make it to stop line. But that's off topic. The real question is, is Philip Broberg worth more then a 2nd round pick? In my opinion he is. Is 4.5m an over pay? At the moment it might be but in a year or two I doubt it.

[@wainber1]

@@toddjhunking8495 Is Broberg worth more than the US$1.3 million per-season cap hit the Habs gave Arber Xhehaj on his most recent contract? Average points per game is an aspect for defensemen but there are those who are simply defensive, and that’s not such a bad thing. While a per-season cap hit of no more than US$1.5 million is ideal for Broberg, I would, if an Oiler fan, want that team, to be careful about repeating the same mistake the Senators did with Jake Sanderson (who last September, weeks away from playing games during what would be the last season of his entry-level contract, signed an eight-season US$64.4 million contract that was to start the following July).

[@DousedInOil]

Blaming this on Bowman is pretty bizarre.

[@ryanTDG]

Army and his AGM Chirelli most likely do not do this to their long time buddy Ken Holland. Being a GM is a relationship business as much as it is a managing business. - Blues fan

[@barstar888]

Yeah it’s a sign of cognitive dissonance to believe the Blues are making moves dependent upon Stan Bowman being hired. To believe this possibility wasn’t conjured up by rival GM’s prior is laughable. As well to claim if Ken was around it wouldn’t have happened is insane seeing as Holland is the reason the oilers were in this precarious position with the cap mismanagement because of him….im honestly done subscribing to this channel as I thought it was somewhat a serious perspective on all things oilers. This guy is a hack.

[@michaelkerber3337]

​@@barstar888 weird how no Offersheets ever happened when Holland was GM

[@barstar888]

@@ryanTDG they did the oilers a favour. When vets are taking less and the superstars leaving money on the table long term to win it’s best now to move on from unproven players who expect big money for nothing. In no scenario would it make sense that Broberg be paid higher than Bouchard. It’s ridiculous so let the blues reap what they sow.

[@barstar888]

@@michaelkerber3337 yeah because it’s his mismanagement with the nurse contract, Campbell contract that backed Jackson and co into a corner. It’s literally hollands fault but I digress blame Stan 👍

[@freedom1028]

Bowman is the worst move any team could have made and guess what, the Oilers dived in head first. What a joke. They deserve everything they get.

[@Maximus-yi2zu]

Keep em both trade ceci Broberg has serious potential and Holloway we all know about him huh

[@ryanTDG]

Army and his AGM Chirelli most likely do not do this to their long time buddy Ken Holland. Being a GM is a relationship business as much as it is a managing business.

[@motherloverjones6008]

I don't think you can blame Bowman but the Oiler organization needed to have Holland's replacement in by the start of free agency, so I put the blame on the Oilers management.

[@kwaty]

Ya it’s a joint f-up of being asleep at the wheel. Also Stauff says Holland was instructed in January when they were both in the minors to get em signed. Either failed or never even tried. Look at the situation now!

[@DEFBOY35]

Armstrong was hinting at offer sheets being a possibility in June well before bowman was at the helm. At Louis has probably been talking to them both since July 1st and finally got the pick needed in order to jump on the sheet.

[@michaelkerber3337]

yea but armstrong is best friends with ken Holland, if ken Holland would have been kept around it wouldn't have happened

[@Chriscoles111]

You have to wait a season before you can trade them is what I herd somewhere else. There pouched lol

[@g-wagonsg-wagon3693]

Me2

[@user-bq4tc6zc3f]

I think it's a good cop out on th fact that holls and brobs kinda overpaid...but bowman didnt spend to the max on this team..he inherited it...ie nurse and getting kane...bowman effect nope...both holls and brobs are good nhl players...great ..not sure yet...but they went thru the most stressful pressure type end of season and responded great...ie..pressure test...overpaid for brobs maybe...Holloway if he amounts to what some people think st louis underpaid...not bowman fault the money ran out...to suggest did it to screw over bowman I really dont think so...just my 2 cents...it was a smart gutsy business decision from.a team that has cap space to do it

[@Zentrix-24]

I'm pissed for the delay of the Oilers not signing sooner. I believe Holloway would be a keeper!!!

[@umphstein4629]

probably right on the gentlemens agreeman with GMs, but if i was a Calgary fan I would feel this was a missed oppertunity to stick it to their rival and rebuild at the same time.

[@VRMontenegro]

This is on JJ. He spent to the cap on FA.

[@bocephus124]

Keep the young defenseman, top 4 for a long time , blues believe he is , ,

[@yourhouseprice]

No its an Oiler thing. We sign castaways, bad characters and worse. Why wouldn't other team target us.

[@alanpaul9481]

They are the best team in the Western Conference. That's why you target them - because you are trying to beat them.

[@CashMacGregor]

armstrong and bowman have openly disliked one another over the years and i wonder if there are bad feelings with peter chiarelli and the oilers as he is in the blues organization now.

[@cullycross4786]

I absolutely love the St Louis move. Go Blues Go.I love that ewe have Stan The Man Now.

[@twillison8824]

@@cullycross4786 don't disgrace the late, great Musial by calling Bowman stan the man. That's uncalled for.

[@cullycross4786]

@@twillison8824 lol

[@homielander5924]

Broberg gone, Holloway staying

[@wainber1]

If Stan Bowman is smart, he'll let Broberg walk. TBD still is what Bowman will do.

[@48trainwreck]

Nope Armstrong would not have done this to Holland golfing buds.

[@Furens]

Believe me, I am no fan of Bowman, the dude should be banned for life, but not sure I see how or why this could be construed as his fault. St Louis sees that EDM is in cap trouble and trying to take advantage of that. In NO way is the cap situation in EDM Bowman's fault....yet. Offer sheets typically come about for 3 reasons: 1. the tendering team sees something in the player(s) that they think the other team has missed or undervalues (see: Kesler, Backes, O'Reilly); 2. The tendering team is desperate to make a splash to appease fans (Weber, Penner, Vanek, Aho etc); 3. Revenge (Bernier, Kotkeniemi). This is probably a case of #1.

[@colbystruble2893]

I would like to see peak holloway and have his best career in Edmonton i love Holloway and to me i don't think he should worry about money cause he's so close winning the Stanley Cup he should want that more then anything, now Broberg is a different story cause i know he wanted to be traded and didnt want to be an Oiler so i fine with that bur it sucks tho,i would try and convince Holloway to stay get rid of broberg, get rid of Ceci and tell Kane to get surgery to put him on LTIR resign Leon and at the trade deadline try get another right side defense or a bottom 6, cause if Adervsson gets a minor injury put him on the bottom 6 And put Holloway on the top 6 with Leon and Skinner.. If Bowman and try and keep holloway and let go Broberg it wont be the worst.. But to me Stanbow shouldn't be a GM yet they should fire him and hire Mark Hunter or Brad Holland they would be better choices

[@vincemedak9734]

Thats an incredible stretch to blame this on the hiring of Bowman. I sure hope your content doesnt continue down this path. Unfortunately the offer sheets were made and it poses isssues for the oilers. Broberg getting paid that much will mean bouchard and possibly ekholm on his re sign in a few years are going to cost more now. Holloway has already shown that hes injury prone so paying him just shy of 3 million per year and having to re sign in 2 more years is both hard to let them walk but tough to pay that much.

[@TheOptimus212]

There was rumours of a potential offer sheet even before the hiring of Stan Bowman. While I'm not a fan of the hire personally, blaming it solely on that is a little off imo.

[@michaelkerber3337]

​@@TheOptimus212 it really isn't, bowman has no respect in the league, everyone respects ken holland, it's why Bouchard never got a offersheet

[@TheOptimus212]

​@@michaelkerber3337Maybe, it's hard to say one way or the other as we don't work for the teams involved. Have to see what happens.

[@darcyseguin8396]

I would let both of them go. Take care of Leon conner and bouch first

[@1peterk]

Neither of them want to be Oilers Let them BOTH GO ! Trading them along with Bowman !

[@Ace96x10]

Unexpected? I'd have been astounded if it didn't happen. Why would a team NOT make such offers?? If I'm a GM, (ya I know I'm not), I'd have done the exact same thing. 2 players who you could pick up who you know can play NOW, are just at the start of their skill level, are very young, who's upside is tremendous, and who you could get at a discount. It's a no brainer. I'm only surprised that just the blues had the foresight/ability to make the offers.

[@dalriada]

No way this would have happened if Holland was still GM.

[@yourhouseprice]

The Bowman effect😅

[@50mattman]

Holloway is the only one we can possibly keep. Id be shocked if they don't match him, its not a hard pill to swallow. Broberg a completely different story!

[@alanpaul9481]

Broberg is the higher ceiling, and its honestly not close.

[@50mattman]

@@alanpaul9481 Broberg played a few good games. Not enough sample size

[@alanpaul9481]

@@50mattman I'm not an NHL scout and I doubt you are. Clearly the Blues think he is valuable, as did the Oilers when they picked him at 8.

[@50mattman]

@alanpaul9481 he's certainly an asset you DO NOT want to lose but almost 5 million is quite the risk for an unproven. Especially if he gets mainly 3rd pairing minutes.

[@50mattman]

@alanpaul9481 the problem is the log jam on the left side, playing the guy on his offside is not the most ideal.

[@mikeoilfan]

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out boys ✌️ enjoy the Blues lol

[@gregszymanski3978]

This is an idiot take on a cash strapped team with talent

[@toxzikIssue]

So many people moan and groan about the Nurse contract (I don't) ... yet they would risk a very big contract for Bro ...who let's face it... is not a proven commodity over a full bang up 82 game season...THEN another season called the Playoffs. Holloway will be great down the road, but the money hit is way too big... they have to let them go and be knocked out of that second season and they can look over their shoulders for the rest of their careers. Bye

[@terencesmith3800]

Without Chiralli you would not have McDavid or Driastle in Edomonton.....he signed them to the Edomonton Gulag longterm.....they would be gone already. without his....yet Oiler fans take this for granted......what multi millionaire wants to live there

[@Chriscoles111]

This sucks, honestly they should just concentrate on signing Leon and Bouchard. Take that # get St. Louis later

[@oilerssixpack2629]

Or is it the Cherelli effect

[@nickelliott1174]

Everybody loves Bowman. Hahahahahaha

[@Maximus-yi2zu]

Thats LOW of st loius ta do this

[@ewigoilr]

both can go, wouldn't keep any.

[@jimklose648]

I think the Oilers will lose one of them

[@xzavierkubluitok]

TRADE AWAY NURSE I’d take broberg over nurse

[@renegademan83]

Get Real! Nobody is taking that contract, and he has to waive his contract for that to happen

[@wainber1]

@@renegademan83 I don't see too many if any NHL teams agreeing to take on any portion of Nurse's contract without the Oilers' agreement to retain cap hit on him or send his new team 1 or more draft picks.

[@willsnow5770]

where else is broberg gonna get coached by coffey he wnats to stay here

[@paul-cx2fo]

This has nothing to do with Stan Bowman.

[@knganth3m]

Haha 6 mill for someone that did a decent snow Angel? Sheeeeesh…. Surprise 6 mill for 3 goals I 56 games

[@michaelkerber3337]

i hope we keep Broberg

[@PaulJouett]

Smart move from Doug Armstrong even if he just get one

[@cujo505]

Now that we have Savoi, we should trade Holloway. We need Broberg.

[@patrickhamos2987]

YOUR Edmonton Coilers 💩

[@homielander5924]

As original as Calgary Lames

[@yeyeng5075]

Money talk., who doesn't want the extra money. Broberg and Holloway is ok,gone, wee have two guys from Coyotes. These two guys are playing so well for Oilers. I am not worried they are gone.