Dyno comparison BTR ls3 stage 2 cam vs longtube headers Importance of the total combination! 444rwhp

[@michaelmineman2090]

Great video sir, thank you for sharing this info. My 5th Gen, LS-3 I basically did same mods since I bought it. Headers, CAI air box, hi flow cats and 3 “ Flowmaster exhaust. Did a Cam Motions Titan 3 and when all said and done it pulled 466 wheels with 415 TQ. Your customers car in video had 440. Makes sense since LS starts with around 25 more HP. If you do a 16.5 % deduction from 426 for the conversion from crank to Rear Wheel I started with 365 and now have 466. + 101. Seems about right from what going on reputable people such as yourself and others report. I’m extremely happy with the car. Runs great, sounds awesome. Keep posting the informative info , thank you!

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

Awesome! Thanks for the kind words. Enjoy your car man! Sounds like a stout unit!

[@BDauto86]

Definitely cool data to see in steps. I'm sure you would agree to say the gains from the long tubes were amplified by the cam. Either way cool to see results from each modification. I did an LS3 stick car last year and it landed about 480 which is pretty impressive for a mildly built street car.

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

Absolutely. I’ve done longtubes and intake on these cars before and it’s usually about 25rwhp. Definitely the added airflow of the cam adding to that. Awesome data to have for sure.

[@sixspeeddeath]

I have an LS3 with the ATAK and cam, and I'm glad to see that the Long Tubes really do a LOT. My motor blew, so I'm running the LS3/525 motor for now, but it dynoed at 380hp with cast manifolds/cats at 200k miles while I recoup money for some Texas Speed Long Tubes. While I have a motor warranty, I'll keep the 525 Cam in it, but I'm probably going with the 1 7/8 LT's as I'm thinking the 2" LT's won't give me as much as I'd like.

[@froggrr576]

Sounds nice, I like the breakdown with different mods.

[@GrandPitoVic]

Very nice. This helps. I am doing a Ls3/6L80 swap in a 03'Crown Vic Police Interceptor. I see what is possible without boost

[@VGIORDANO]

Very nicely documented before and after testing. Interesting to see how much tq the cam lost under the curve, when everyone else's dyno data suggests GAINING under the curve with an aftermarket cam. With this amount of loss (~35 ftlbs), might as well go with the LS9 cam if your ok with only about a 20hp gain up top, but with a much better idle quality and driveability.

[@benbiallas4316]

Do you think that k&n is leaving hp on the table vs a cold air inductions kit that is boxed off from the heat vs the seal to the hood. Great video. It's a lot of extra work separating the steps, but was cool to see each gain.

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

In traffic. Absolutely on the Dyno it was 78-82 degrees the entire time.

[@notchase1798]

Hope you had a good Christmas up there brother ! Keep kickin ass !

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

Thanks man. Hope you had a great Christmas as well!

[@1clean35th]

Great video, wonder what it would run at the track now

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

This one won’t ever make it. They spun and such with street tires. But with a decent drag radial it would go high 11’s in full trim

[@6pointwho]

did you have to change anything else internally.. stock oil pump and fuel injectors ?

[@nealivers7479]

Have a 2017 SS SPORT Sedan...w/6 MT. Dying to Mod this thing; simple stuff: BTR Stage III, (and his spring/pushrod/retainer set up), American Racing 1⅞ Long Tubes, and an intake. Hopefully, on a good day, it would pull a solid 485 to 499.9hp to the wheels. I don't think it'd pull 500hp, unless I had a set of Chevrolet Performance CNC heads or the like. Then....probably yes, but mine are stock. I'm "aiming" for 500 N/A hp...

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

The gmpp cnc usually net us 25rwhp more for sure. Nice part about these cars are the cookie cutter greatness. They just make power.

[@tonysdiygarage5739]

I would'nt go beyond stage 2 for street driving. I have stage 2 with all the mods and it wants to lurch through the garage with that set up.

[@corning1]

Exact things I’m getting besides I’m going stage 2 btr cam. My ls3 vette goes in next week. Can’t freaking wait.

[@corning1]

@@tonysdiygarage5739 what do you mean by lurch? It’s a manual transmission?

[@corning1]

Oh not to you guys lol. So maybe I didn’t deserve that love response lol. I’m in Indianapolis

[@patriktettinger1140]

Hey guys! I did the same thing with mine l99... I got the new tune on it well, but when the car idling kinda shaking. ( idle 800-900 rpm) It's a normal thing or I should go back to the shop ? Thanks

[@gloriamaletta8667]

Any time you put a camshaft with more duration the valves will be staying open longer making the car idle less steady a tuner can tune it to smooth out the idle slightly but regardless how good its tuned it's going to shake a little at idle

[@alexvillalobos7137]

If a ig cam will have the car rocking. You have a water bottle in there you can see the water moving back n forth lol. I loved that feeling in my 04 GTO Snt wait to cam my c6

[@gdupmilli5825]

I have this and cats , why am i only reading 380whp on a dyno keep in mind my tune was done in less then an hour & 45 mins was i swindled did they usw a copy and paste tune ive double checked alot of things it should have made power

[@rudolphdaniels4783]

So if I put this cam and dod delete in my car and left the factory manifolds with a cat back borla as he has, would I need the stall at the 398 rwhp like you had? Mine is a L99 as well. I have CAI and cat back borla and a dyno tune now at 362 rwhp. Thanks for the advice

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

A converter will add a ton of fun to it. I’d do a converter anyways.

[@rudolphdaniels4783]

The FTI 3600 still?

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

@@rudolphdaniels4783 that is a great choice sir. Either that or a circle d.

[@mr2hard2see]

Great vid man I’m a 5th gen camaro owner. I love seeing mods like these keep up the good work and swing by to check out my supercharged camaro sometime.

[@nicholsconstruction1]

Awesome video! Thanks for sharing.

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

Not a problem. We love this stuff!

[@arc6100]

Did you go with a bigger stall?

[@jasonnash2691]

Hi mate, what's the powerband range on them.

[@anonymousyoutube8941]

I’ve done BTR stage 3, TSP headers, tune, muffler delete, CAI. I need someone like you to tune my motor! Please??

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

Where are you located? I can put you in touch with someone great locally to you

[@anonymousyoutube8941]

@@NorthernPerformanceCars Western NC, I wish YOU could work on it! Thanks for any help you can offer

[@gdupmilli5825]

I'm in nc I hade this set up only making 380whp I need help 😔 not sure if ppl are doing honest business or what

[@jimmyfreeze3782]

Your base dyno sheet is 353, but you keep saying 358? Why did you waste all the extra time pulling the heads for the cam install? You don't need to pull the heads for a cam swap/spring upgrade.

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

My apologies on the 5 hp difference in my translation. Ummm it’s an automatic. So it’s an l99. So it has displacement on demand. So it needs all 16 lifters, cam, lifter tray’s etc etc.

[@96gunSS]

Perfect video

[@anonymousyoutube8941]

I want you to Tune my LS3 Camaro!! PLEASE!!

[@donnieb1991]

Good job bro!

[@jplperformance9073]

AWSOME video

[@popatop6657]

Dont kid yourself, it is more eliminating the cats and mufflers than it is the headers.

[@Josh-mt8lf]

Getting this cam in my l99 with headers, intake, exhaust and torque converter.. what power should I expect?

[@owenhkeys]

460

[@eliasnuno4039]

Your camaro is ready ? I think you dont need converter

[@Josh-mt8lf]

@@eliasnuno4039 yo bro.. so I got the car back.. if you are deciding on converter or not.. look no further.. get the converter!!! I got a 2800 stall

[@Josh-mt8lf]

@@eliasnuno4039 it helps the cam from surging too

[@Josh-mt8lf]

@@eliasnuno4039 I ended up with 454 to the wheel

[@nealivers7479]

Oh... Forgot to add the obvious; A SHANE HINDS tune... With the BTR Stage III, ARH Long Tubes, intake, and some luck....*maybe* I'd hit that elusive 500hp, but likely fall a bit shy of that; I'll guess 495hp

[@michaelmineman2090]

Is Shane from the St L area by chance? I just did a cam package etc and the tuner they use is a Shane

[@randomguy-yv2ec]

Are you on stock injectors?

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

Yes. Stock injectors

[@renwickconolly2839]

Good Video..Thanks!!🙏

[@thomaswood6573]

Where are you all located?

[@NorthernPerformanceCars]

Gaylord Michigan

[@SouthwestSpeedLLC]

That BBM 4th Gen..... :)

[@northminibikes]

We wants its

[@cooterbrown7681]

What's ur location

[@randomguy-yv2ec]

Dyno jet?

[@randomguy-yv2ec]

It is bruh

[@gloriamaletta8667]

These are realistic rear wheel numbers and l realize this is only a stage 2 camshaft and l realize a stage 3 or 4 camshaft would make more in the upper rpm range going to a stage 3 may pickup 5 to 7 more horsepower and a stage 4 another 5-7 more horsepower to the rear wheels than the stage 3 and this application it peaked around 435-440 with a stage 2 camshaft add 14-15 horsepower for a stage 4 camshaft and your at 455 rear wheel horsepower tells me the majority of people with a stock LS3 engine stock stroke and bore with stock heads and stock compression even with CNC ported LS3 heads telling people they are making 480-500+ horsepower are full of shit if your cammed LS3 is knocking down 430-460 rear wheel horsepower that is a 90-120 horsepower increase to the rear wheels with a simple camshaft and valve spring upgrade believe me is amazing but 340 stock to 500 with a camshaft upgrade and valve springs to the rear wheels is 160 horsepower in most cases is complete bullshit and not true unless it has more compression or expensive aftermarket AFR heads a or 12 degree LS7 style head that allow for a camshaft with .660+ or more lift and flow 380+cfm on the intake side then making 500+ rear wheel horsepower is possible this also shows that people with a LS3 completely stock with long tube headers and a cold air intake and tuned claiming they are making 400-420 rear wheel horsepower are full of shit also

[@SpeedDemonCBR]

You do realize that this is an L99 and not an LS3 right. LS3s make 370-380 to the wheel stock so it’s not far fetched to be making 400-420 with a cold air intake long tube headers and a tune there buddy. One the automatic robs more power than the manual does and 2 the L99 has less power than the LS3 has so with this L99 making 440 to the wheels then the LS3 should make 460-470 to the wheels with the same setup. So stop spreading bad information

[@gloriamaletta8667]

@@SpeedDemonCBR first a L99 is rated 400 horsepower at the crankshaft a LS3 is rated 426 at the crankshaft you can rear wheel dyno the same car at different dynos and never get the same exact number while it's a good tuning tool these numbers can be misleading let me explain l own a inferno orange 2011 Camaro SS l purchased the car for 15,000 dollars it's very clean then l did a load of upgrades starting with a new GM performance LS3 495 horsepower crate engine with CNC ported LS3 heads had the 6L80e professionally rebuilt put a Circle D 4200rpm stall converter in it a one piece aluminium driveshaft a eaton posi unit with stock 3.27 gears stainless 1 7/8 longtube headers into a 3 inch X pipe and 3 inch Flowmaster FX mufflers 102mm throttlebody ZL1 fuel pump ZL1 injectors 17×10 rear race star wheels with Mickey Thompson 305/45r17 ET street R drag radials 18 inch race star skinnies front BMR 1.5 lowering springs all the way around 4 new bearing hubs 4 new brake rotors and pads new aluminium radiator tuned and runs on E85 total of 16,000 dollars in upgrades on engine stand on E85 motor made 520 horsepower at 6200rpm and 490 foot pounds of torque at 5000rpm at the rear wheel on a dyno it made 430 horsepower at 6200rpm and 410 foot pounds of torque at 5000rpm I've had this setup since December 2021 car has 700 miles on it since upgrades went to the track with it 3 weeks ago live in Florida made 3 eighth mile passes with it best pass was 7.40s at 94mph with more passes and testing launch techniques bet l could knock times down to 7.20s at 95mph the problem l have with these people claiming 440 rear wheel horsepower with cold air intake longtube headers and a computer tune is your starting point at the crankshaft is 426 with upgrades now your making 466 at the crankshaft now when you rear wheel dyno it you get 440 horsepower these engines stock dyno 340-360 to the rear tires stock a cold air intake longtube headers and a computer tune may give you 30 horsepower to the wheels my new CRATE engine with upgrades and professionally tuned lost 90 horsepower throughout the drive line with a 1000 dollar aluminium driveshaft and these cars with 100,000 miles with a cold air intake longtube headers and a tune with the complete junk 2 piece driveshaft that are making 470 crankshaft horsepower are only losing 30 horsepower throughout the drive line making 440 rearwheel horsepower show me some sub 8 second eighth mile times you won't because it's running 8.80s means most popping off these big rearwheel horsepower numbers don't run low time slips but they can brag numbers that are most likely not true my car has extremely wicked throttle response at any speed has a ever so slight chop at idle that is barely noticeable compared to a stock LS3 car cruises 80mph on the highway at 2100-2200rpm has a full interior and cold air conditioning and car weighs 3780 with me in it misinformation your starting out with a engine that's rated 400-426 horsepower at the crankshaft with a cold air intake longtube headers and a computer tune is making 440 rearwheel horsepower and I'm spreading misinformation you do realize that if you use a 150 horsepower hit of nitrous on your car this number is at the crankshaft by the time it makes it to the rearwheels it 90-100 horsepower but people are making 70 + rearwheel horsepower with a cold air intske longtube headers and a computer tune misinformation you say and I'm spreading it

[@gloriamaletta8667]

@@SpeedDemonCBR so a LS3 that's stock makes 426 crankshaft horsepower let's say with a cold air intake longtube headers and a computer tune it picks up 30 horsepower at the crankshaft how does that workout to 460 back wheel horsepower whatever it makes at the crankshaft plan on losing at least 90 horsepower to the wheels 460 minus 90 equals 370 so if your LS3 is making 470 at the rear wheels means its making 560-570 horsepower at the crankshaft and you can do this with a cold air intake longtube headers and a computer tune and I'm spreading misinformation you say

[@SpeedDemonCBR]

@@gloriamaletta8667 well good for you princess. I own a 2011 Camaro SS LS3 manual 6speed white with orange stripes. We have the same car except mines not a bitch shift like yours. And it’s not far fetched to think that a true LS3 car that’s making 370 to the wheels would be possible to get 400-420 to the wheels with a cold air intake long tube headers and a tune

[@SpeedDemonCBR]

@@gloriamaletta8667 you are spreading a ton of misinformation because the modern cars lose 15% to drive train loss so 426 x 0.85 is 362 hp to the wheels you don’t lose a standard 90 hp you lose a percentage