Dyno day breaks hearts.... Fiesta st stage 2.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Hi just thought it worth noting the car made almost 300ftlb on the 3rd dyno run but as the bhp was a little lower I got the graph for the bhp of 227 and torque of 265ftlb.

[@fordyford]

Not a bad result at all considering it weighs just under 1200kg. Plenty fast for a daily.

[@checkyourself164]

You realise BHP is a product of torque and rpm right? Unless the straps were adjusted or the dyno was having a funny one - it wouldn't make less hp and 300tq if it made 265tq with 227bhp...

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Yes I know how it works and yes no dyno ever made can read bhp. Only torque. But pause the video when I go nr the screens and its easy to see what there. Torque line changes are reflected in the bhp lines also.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

@@checkyourself164 3rd run was 223bhp and just shy of 300ftlb.

[@Tinguspingus603]

Spark Plug Steve one of the best sounding fiST I’ve ever heard love the car 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@oddssey2005]

Nice job my son hitting 239 with his ford st keep up the good work

[@marcushayesford]

People are so hung up on power figures. My mk2 escort made 159.8bhp at the flywheel on a Dyno Dynamics rolling road. Its a decent figure for the spec i have but it doesn't make me smile as much as when i kill modern, more powerful, more expensive cars off the lights. Sometimes i meet them again at the next set of traffic lights and they ask what i have under the bonnet. When i tell them its just a relatively stock old banger mondeo engine on a carb that was designed over 40 years ago and i explain how little power i have the look on their face is priceless! . . . . Dont worry about the figures @Spark Plug Steve. U built ur car yourself and u have fun driving it, thats all that matters. Keep up the good work! :)

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Yes very true. Thanks.

[@Buzzshot_GW]

I’d love to meet you at the lights in ur shitty old banger. I don’t know who you beat but they can’t drive 🤣

[@shaunwest3612]

Nice video Steve, great numbers,227 wow, you've done a brilliant job, always enjoy your videos 😀

[@scroooge22]

Ethan is spot on about the Fiesta tuning scene. Don't know of any other car that has such a hard time achieving figures quoted by the tuners.

[@rowanlewisuk]

My names rowan but it's true fiestas always under perform on a dyno

[@scroooge22]

​@@rowanlewisuk Apologies. The only other name I've ever heard mentioned in Steve's videos is Ethan, I assumed it was you. But you are correct with what you said. Pumaspeed are claiming these days that 2R is producing 250 bhp I wonder where they're finding that extra 25 bhp Steve is missing. Every tuner seems to have one of these magic dynos, the perfectly set up car and optimum conditions to be getting these figures.

[@rowanlewisuk]

@@scroooge22 totally agree with you. Just bear it in mind when looking to upgrade is all people can do. Ethan is a friend of mine and he is in some of steves videos 😊

[@Stallzyx]

Great video as always Steve, people like to over estimate what their car will make but I think the 2nd guy down estimated 444 and got 460 so that's pretty decent. There's a 1.0 tuned by these guys at Indigo GT which is pushing 200+ hp, Welsh owner. Really enjoyed this video to be honest!

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Thank you. 2nd car down wanted 449 and got 400. But what you want is not always what you get lol.

[@adamjones6084]

That would make 250bhp at AET's dyno lol

[@joeyhoward1099]

Just seen u and ur car up Asda and it looks amazing

[@Sparkplugsteve]

That was the wife. Thanks

[@joeyhoward1099]

Ah right seen it leaving when I was pulling in recognised the plate

[@jonathandavies6398]

You know what potential it had and it did well ... Would be 238 to 245 on other dyno s .good results

[@Sparkplugsteve]

I agree. I'm happy with it really because dyno dynamics broke my heart yrs ago so now know what to expect.

[@lewisrowezer7193]

2:19 is that guy in the grey hoodie okay? LOL

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Good spot. I hadn't seen his reaction. Maybe it was his car and he freaked out. 😅

[@g33-r48]

Decent power I think. Thanks for replying to me on Instagram about the camera. Just uploaded my into video on my civic FK2, just need my confidence to build, you seem so natural behind the camera now. Been subscribed from the first fiesta 👍fiesta arnt my thing but a fan of the videos

[@phil6812]

Nice one Steve, I'm limited to 240 in mine because of the chocolate pistons and tiny turbo 👊

[@trashcan9615]

Haha are the fiesta’s pistons that weak?

[@Sparkplugsteve]

No 350bhp plus on a standard fiesta engine. I think he's reffering to his corsa vxr?

[@phil6812]

@@Sparkplugsteve yep 👍. The fiesta st engine internals are 10 x better.

[@bluntyr5gtt]

About right for stage 2 I reckon. Mine does 228bhp and 283lbft on Collins cp2 with all required hardware

[@hughdrummond6843]

You know what, I liked the fact the bonnet was shut on the dyno runs (as far as I could see) , more real world temps/flows etc. So many I see big induction kits with wide open bonnets loads of cold air flying in. BHP totals mean nothing if we are honest when real world driving on roads or track, it's the performance of the whole package drivability that matters. Keep up the good work Steve really enjoy your content 👍

[@fordyford]

Fan flow is only around 30km/h, maybe 20mph so it's definitely not real world temps/flow. That's why people run with the bonnet up.

[@mrcartaz5925]

My Evo is in indigo mate silver 53plate going for a big build forged...big turbo and cams

[@RossRevs]

Great video! I wasn’t too far off estimating yours, I said 236 haha

[@Sparkplugsteve]

You were close Just not as close as me.😂

[@chillisauce6079]

Another interesting vid Steve, I'd be happy with those results on what is obviously a set of stingy rollers. Car sounds sweet as did that other ST. Well executed burp too with the added bonus of a bit of background info on it 👍

[@G9SBY]

Well done on winning the easter egg mate lol. I was way off my estimate, but I think a lot of people were also quite disappointed.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Thanks. Yes everyone was off by a fair bit. Does your car have a underlying problem to account for some of the discrepancy? I'm assuming by your name and profile pic you were first car on the board?

[@G9SBY]

@@Sparkplugsteve Well I have quite a big hole in my manifold flexi which they said is affecting the power considerably. Also after speaking to Lee Charnick and a few boys running Syvecs they say it should have been put into dyno mode. Either using the Toucan display (which I don't have) or the tuner can do it if they are clued up about Syvecs. But I didn't know about this at the time so I didn't mention it to them. Other than that they said it's running perfect and the graph was really smooth. It made 530bhp 2 years at Devils so I'm not worried. Just need a new tubular and all should be well again 🤞 and yes mate I was the first car on the board 😊

[@kevindoris3133]

I always here 245 bhp even from collins but in reality they never achieve that mine st 1 with itg going st 2 is it worth it Steve for little more bhp

[@deanmarsh1452]

Intereting. My MP215 with recall map and airtec intercooler hit 260ftlbs. 195whp

[@Gts2pro]

Dean Marsh what’s a recall map about ?

[@chillisauce6079]

@@Gts2pro The ST recently had a recall (coolant system) for the earlier model years which involved flashing the ECU with updated software by Ford. This wiped any tuner maps from the ECU. Mountune (eventually) and others then released revised maps incorporating the new recall software and their tuning maps. I assume that's what he meant.

[@Gts2pro]

Chilli Sauce thanks. Mine wasn’t effect by that issue

[@chillisauce6079]

@@Gts2pro No probs mate, mine neither being a 2016 car.

[@deanmarsh1452]

@@chillisauce6079 That's it. A lot of new hardware went in too. Power delivery has changed. And a lot more burbling from the exhaust on over run. Slightly better fuel economy. And 10c lower coolant temps noted from data logs.

[@MrFordy1173]

Great channel Steve

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Thank you.

[@PaulinhoThompson]

Good numbers Steve 😁 keep at it.

[@rowanlewisuk]

Good vid. It was a fun day

[@InfiniteAirsoftHD]

Steve, Indigo's dyno is known for running now figures unless you're running their own software. my 340 Focus ST pulled 302 there last year

[@Sparkplugsteve]

It is a low reader for sure.

[@DavidJeffery]

Few more squirts on the rear wipers and you'd have made 230

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Haha. I should have dumped the bottle on it.

[@mikej857]

I'd say that's not too terrible, most stage 2 are quoted as 230-240bhp so your pretty close on quoted and as you say Dyno Dynamics are pretty harsh My x47r did 318bhp last time it was on the dyno but it did have an under performing cooler on it and a crap map

[@MXTR16]

What map?

[@kratcliffe5680]

What gear was the pull made in? What mode was the dyno in? Should of been in Shoot 44. What were ambient temps that day? Inlet temps could of killed figures.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

I don't know what gear but I wish I asked. Usually dd rollers run 3rd. It was in shoot 4f. Iv since discovered the car is not hitting full boost unless loaded in 4th up hill. It will not max the boost on the flat so I have an issue to resolve.

[@kratcliffe5680]

@@Sparkplugsteve i was going to say, if you run the car in say second and then third, it will make more power in 3rd due to the engine being under more load. Also, how tight they strap the car will also have a drastic effect. An interesting fact for you.....run a car on the dyno using its IAT probe. Then pop the probe in a hot cup of tea. The probe will read red hot temps and make the dyno adjust its figures due to the high inlet temp... Quick way of making 200bhp more over a cup of tea 😉

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Sounds like you seen Stuart test from motorsport developments. 😅

[@kratcliffe5680]

@@Sparkplugsteve bingo mate......fundamentally, you can manipulate the dyno to read what you want

[@Sparkplugsteve]

@@kratcliffe5680 opened my eyes to dyno fudging that did.

[@James-ns6jm]

What was it supposed to be with that map? With the sports cat and catback exhaust and ITG induction and the stage 3 inter cooler about 235bhp? I'm looking at a similar setup and was hoping that would be kissing at 240bhp but not 230 lol.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Just don't go to a dyno dynamics and you will make 240 plus easy.

[@cyrilmckinstry7863]

Good video steve wee car looks cool 👍

[@scottpeabody4580]

Question from Illinois, USA..... Is there a difference between a Dyno and a "Rolling Road"? I have heard this term used in English car videos.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Rolling roads are often meant as a dyno. Especially older guys use the term rolling road.

[@scottpeabody4580]

Thanks for the reply. I really like your channel @@Sparkplugsteve

[@raz775]

Nice video mate, I’m running similar mods so will need to see what I get. Anyone know what wheels are on the red one?

[@DetailingandtheBeast]

Rowan has that theory down to a tee. He's not far wrong. Tuner wars in the Fiesta and Focus scenes has been the same for at least the last ten years since the launch of the Focus ST225.

[@rowanlewisuk]

My names rowan but I totally agree. I think all the companies want to beat the next but they turbo can only make so much power.

[@DetailingandtheBeast]

@@rowanlewisuk apologies Rowan. Took the name from another comment. Your comment on the video was spot on.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

@@rowanlewisuk there's a new company in the scene now claiming to make the best power ever. Interested how they can do what everyone else could not for the last 6 yrs.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

@@DetailingandtheBeast his name is actually Janice and don't let him tell you differently.

[@rowanlewisuk]

@@Sparkplugsteve maybe if it's mapped to run higher octane?

[@zblazek2]

Hi Steve! Does your actual setup feel quicker than Peron STG1+ you had? I mean numbers on dyno does not mean much (as already said here), but it would be interesting to see similar video to one you did with MP215 vs. Peron Stg1+, with your actual setup. So we can see progress in acceleration, boost, etc. moving from Stg1+ to Stg2, although it is with different tuner. What I mean, I have Peron stg1+ and I don't see upgrade to Stage 2 very beneficial from financial point of view (do not plan Stage 3 anyways). Still I'd love to see what's the difference. And I bet I am not the only one here in a same situation. :)

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Yes I do see a difference but its not night and day. That's a good idea I will do a g force and boost video soon. At the moment it appears I have a boost leak issue I need to resolve first.

[@zblazek2]

@@Sparkplugsteve Cool, good luck with that, hopefully it will be just minor thing :) cheers

[@anrs3153]

I don't know if I missed something you said as I skipped right to the dyno.. But whys it running 227bhp if puma say its supposed to be 245-250 ish?

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Don't be skipping or you be missing 😂

[@anrs3153]

@@Sparkplugsteve I'm hoping it's a joke because I wanted the stage two in replacement for my 230 mountune 😂 but not for 227bhp

[@MrAdammurphy1993]

Because some tuners over inflate their figures for sales

[@TerminatorT-xn4ep]

Nice work Steve can see your a little disappointed however your car was the winner in terms of near performance figures...well done 👏🏻

[@Albe983]

What fuel (mon/ron) have been used on this dyno run?

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Shell v power

[@Albe983]

@@Sparkplugsteve that's good fuel, 100ron, a friend get 232bhp and 400nm, revo stage2.

[@kd2833]

some 1 needs a sports cat that smoke lol and a good remap ( red fiesta )

[@garrynutter860]

Still not a bad figure Steve.

[@garethwatts_]

what was that number again i forgot .....................

[@Sparkplugsteve]

355😅

[@garethwatts_]

@@Sparkplugsteve you should get a fishing channel going steve 😅

[@KAZUYADOG]

Did they not bother giving you a fueling reading,looking at the hp power curve its a bit "big dipperish",Dastek dyno's are always tuff for willy wavers (not you Stevo),try another dyno and ask for fueling check.Maha dyno's give you a load of info,already been mentioned below.Good video i love dyno days myself.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Na it was just a dyno day so usual rush on rush off.

[@Sol-su2mi]

What do you think is a better buy as first car? 1.25 fiesta or a new shape astra

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Not a vauxhaul

[@vxrbandit2527]

@@Sparkplugsteve Love my VXR wouldn`t change it for anything else.

[@Sol-su2mi]

@@Sparkplugsteve why so? Ik the Corsa is garbage tho

[@Sparkplugsteve]

It was a joke. You buy whichever you like the best.

[@Sol-su2mi]

@@Sparkplugsteve ah lol

[@simonjackson6897]

Not that bad I thought it would have been more personally mate? I can’t wait to see it when it’s fully done😅🔥My brothers saxo hits 230bhp mate 😂

[@Ghrolz]

Don't puma quote 245 for the stage 2r?

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Yes they do but very few dynos read the same figures.

[@fluxx7217]

I have the ndw stage2r 8 and it quotes it has 255bhp lol

[@Sparkplugsteve]

@@fluxx7217 see my update video I made 250bhp at another dyno.

[@fluxx7217]

@@Sparkplugsteve ouh cool you replied :) gonna check that out. Quick question , we 2 are running the same software: How much boost does your gauge tells u we got ?

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Iv got another vid showing the boost levels. It's the gfb video. I get around 23/24psi in high gears when engine fully loaded or around 20bhp psi other times.

[@x58evo2puma7]

U need to get a second opinion bec u should see 240/245hp on stage2r that is low if u thinking going for x47r I would think again I would go for the x47 which make more power then the x47r I made 340hp and x47r made 336hp and I made little more toque then x47r down to what u like in performance really

[@mward8332]

Agreed, I had 1R with all hardware I made 238bhp with 404.5nm

[@fluxx7217]

@@mward8332 then upgrade ur software mate

[@mward8332]

@@fluxx7217 that was the quoted figures mate and it was spot on. Took it on a maha dyno, pure hell watching the 30 second torture 🤣, no longer have the car, now have a 15 plate golf gtd

[@fluxx7217]

@@mward8332 what made you switch to a diesel car ?

[@mward8332]

@@fluxx7217 having 2 kids under 2 years old, means 2 car seats, double pushchair, and everything else.. just the best option in the price range for me

[@slowsuperb18t]

absolutely love your videos mate always good no b******t. do you need an apprentice window cleaner lol needing a job and willing to relocate to 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Thanks appreciate that. Unfortunately I don't need an apprentice but thanks for asking.

[@slowsuperb18t]

@@Sparkplugsteve no worries if you don't ask you don't get haha. aint been able to get a job for the past year in scotland where i live and if it it wasn't for my kids and partner i would of jumped off my local bridge already as many have previously. keep the videos coming.

[@FireWoodOfficial]

Dean Turner I do not know you but hang in there mate. You're a valuable human. 👍

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Sorry to hear your struggling Dean. Keep your chin up as all that matters is you got your family. Hope things work out for you soon.

[@924eightball]

how do the mods affect your insurance

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Most mods have been free for me but I'm old.

[@PeakPerformanceReviews]

Not a bad figure, those DD dynos are heart breakers! Funny how the X47 never make anywhere near 330 on DD dynos. You’ll never make claimed power on DD dynos but shame so many companies now seem to lie about figures to sell kits. Well done on the figures fella cars looking good! Soon rip up the track with me fella 👌👍

[@kylebrace1600]

What did the other fez make

[@Sparkplugsteve]

277bhp

[@OrdinaryJoe12]

thumbs up as soon as you burped

[@Logicalx]

OHHH!!!!!!

[@turbocharged9906]

Want get it on a MAHA to see what that reads on a proper loaded run. The way most if not all cars read low or way lower than quoted seems odd.

[@Taleklol]

I got the same map than him, and it made in a maha 243bhp and 400nm

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Good result that.

[@Taleklol]

I forgot to mention, it was in a maha dyno. @@Sparkplugsteve

[@aaronmoffat6928]

I’d get it on a more forgiving dyno, that should have made much more than that.

[@Dansgotasti]

Wouldn't turst Anthony's dyno my car made a extra 50 bhp on his dyno pmsl

[@Sparkplugsteve]

I bet that was the old dyno. I had the same when I went on thay one.

[@Dansgotasti]

@@Sparkplugsteve could of been has he mapped your car he nilly cost us a new engine after he done mine

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Have you heard the rumours this week of liquidation for them? I never been there to be mapped just dyno days.

[@Dansgotasti]

@@Sparkplugsteve no mate I'll ask some of the scooby boys sad thing was he used to be shit hot but the money went to his head don't really hear many good stories from them anymore just horror stories

[@crookboysharveymotorsportc1109]

More like to many people dreaming that they have more horses than they really have

[@williamdavis7936]

Pumaspeed very optimistic of the 240+ plus claim...

[@Alpha_p9]

Daily Dose Of Davis that’s what a tuners say

[@JPTHRICE]

Fiesta sts stray extremely, some stock STs are pretty close to this stage 2

[@fastfez2520]

Im not a big fan of dynos. Even if you get a decent number you will get critics saying this or that etc. All it proves is the cars power on a particular dyno. That being said its a good indicator if you keep things consistant, mine went on the dyno and exceeded the quoted numbers at the wheel at the fly and the torque so I don’t agree that all ST maps have inflated numbers. The best indication is how the car feels when its driven.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

I got a feeling I may need another video just to address the comments.😂

[@sparkplug964]

Bloody hell, I thought stage 2 would make 260 - 250bhp on Fiesta ST, so if will are looking at these figures for a Fiesta ST stage 1 Peron at best is making 200bhp and no where near 239Whp. Not mush gain, is it. At the end of the day, it's how the car drive which is the important thing.

[@iankendrick2608]

Great video again steve 👍,I personally think it’s about how the car drives not bhp figures and just be careful standing behind a dyno that you drive onto as I’ve seen someone get hurt due to a stone/pebble fly out of a tyres tread,my local dyno have now turned theirs around so you reverse on Cheers 👍👍

[@bmx4bmx4]

That seems like a lot of loss from the engine to the wheels

[@Sparkplugsteve]

My st170 would lose over 40bhp from wheels to flywheel.

[@Megadeth1311]

my fiesta makes 207.8 hp and 241.4 ftlb all stock :-D

[@Megadeth1311]

also ford sais, 5sek 200hp overboost, so what about it? turbo is almost at its limit.

[@patchp009]

To be fair, our industrial hoovers in work sound better that the fiesta's.

[@patchp009]

Only kiddin, your doing a cracking job sir. Wish I had the time and the facilities to start a project. Keep on going fella.

[@patchp009]

Any drawings.....cnc machining you want done...let me know.

[@parchy6464]

Shit I've gone Maxd out just seems bs figures I would like more low down torque

[@Sparkplugsteve]

There's only so much a standard turbo can give. I made nearly 300ftlb before 3k rpm on the 3rd run. That's a lot of low down torque.

[@blitz9994]

I did two different dyno days at two different places same day 30 miles apart same temps outside and run 3 go’s on each and they were 36hp apart only good thing about dyno days is the chance to get together with club members and have a laugh and good time and a belching burger 😂

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Definatly enjoyed the burger burp.

[@pugz16v]

Shame all that work and mods and my standard Mountune 215 made 236 on the dyno and that's a just a mountune airbox 🤔

[@declanburnside9505]

My 215 also read 235 on the dyno

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Trust me iv had a mp215 and this will run rings around them. I'm not just saying that to be funny but mountune is just a waste of money. Iv done a peron stage 1 vs mp215 video so go take a look.

[@rowanlewisuk]

@@Sparkplugsteve mounting struggles to make 200 on dyno day I was last on

[@sugar-3-Danny]

Decent enough bhp

[@grimeondrill]

If id spent all that money for 227bhp id probably have a cry on the drive home... 😂 must be close to £2k+ retail price for them mods. For 50bhp? dont they quote 250bhp for stage 2R? interesting though. Get loads of “mines running 240ish with only a tune and a filter’ on the groups and instagram which means they have never dyno’d it just going of the tuners website 😂 id love you to take yours to a different dyno and see if there is any change. im on the fence about these flash tunes and in house dynos mabe that lads right about the figures companies are claiming 😶 not a massive fan of figure chasing but for the price of things you would want to see the proper figures claimed. I guess its the driving experience at the end of the day but more people should do these kind of videos its interesting to watch.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

I completely agree. I don't believe any of the in house dynos. Ask yourself this. How many fiesta companies will put their car on a dyno dynamics roller and put out the figure? Non that I know off. Its the harshest dyno around. Just factor that into your decision making. Iv had 4 different stages of tune. Standard / mp215 / peron stage 1 + and maxd out 2r. Whichever I reccomended doesn't make any difference until you experience it for yourself.

[@ScrewwyLouie]

Hi mate i know its been a while but after all the experiences and what have ya what company would you go to for tuning on the st180. Mines the mp215 and i want to go stage 2 but really dont know who to go to either trs, pumaspeed, STealthwerx or peron. Honestly, who would u go to...

[@n54twinz91]

Think best off taking the fiesta st for what it is,it’s a nippy hatch back,people are always disappointed in the results they pull but at end of day it’s not exactly a monster

[@leeg131313]

hes so right fiesta scene is dog shit

[@ricardas1985]

Sound horrible 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@Section59.]

The whole "stage" thing is annoying as hell please stop. Not just you, the whole car community needs to stop it. It means nothing.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

It's a stage 2 map. What else do you want me to say. 🤷‍♂️

[@Section59.]

@@Sparkplugsteve nah you've added mods and had it remapped to suit mods, it's not stage anything. Not a dig at you mate I like your content and your humour so don't take it the wrong way. It's not just you it's the whole car community, youtube, fb insta etc they're all at it. It's the companies pushing this whole stage thing and it's annoying because where does it end? Added iridium sparkplugs, cars now stage 2.5 mate 😂

[@Sparkplugsteve]

I get what your saying but how else could a company show that each map is a different state of tune. Its an easy way of branding.how would you do it differently? Thanks for the kind words.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

I also think it's a different scenario to say what I had on my last car. I had a standalone ecu and was custom mapped to what ever mods I did. But custom mapping isn't done very much if at all in the fiesta world. A generic map is built to suit a set of mods and your governed by mods for the tune.

[@grimeondrill]

Section59 what are you on about. You can upgrade in ‘stages’ thats why.... or levels of modification. Its just a term used to describe what level of power its at, stage 1 being more basically modified running less power than stage 3.. 4... etc that is more modified. Companies can tell you a quoted figure of power as a ‘stage’ so if you want that figure for your car you know exactly what to buy to see them figures. Most people start at stage 1 then work up for more power. Makes things simpler than just buying a whole load of mods and not knowing what kind of power your going to be getting for your ££££. Different stages needing different mods to achieve the quoted power figures. How would that be a problem to you i dont get it 😂 you can be a level 1 technician, study more take an exam, pass and become a level 2 technician. if someone asked how good of a technician you could say for example ‘im a level 2 qualified technician’ to put in perspective your skills 😑

[@nickeas120189]

Sad lonely man