Dyson Sphere Program Belt and Sorter Tips and Tricks

[@flintthuang]

I bet even the developers didn't think the conveyor belt could be built like this

[@ochiniwa]

Yes they definitely did not but they will eventually fix this. So all this will be "destroyed" in the near or long term. So I personally really like the bending of the sorter and belt mechanics, it give the opportunity to make some fun stuff but I would never rely on them in the game as I consider it as an exploit :) because it is not meant to be this way. But that is of course a personal view.

[@LaureTheGamer]

@@ochiniwa I’m going to slightly disagree with this. It’s possible they choose to dismantle entire systems however at this point it’s passed into “feature not a bug” territory. It would be counterintuitive to spend development time to remove a rather involved and robust system that is causing people to spend more in their game. With that said, games like Guild Wars 2 have made similar decisions, dismantling entire sections of the out-of-bounds world, where roleplayers were hanging out due to the lack of npcs. But perhaps the more apt examples come from a game cut from the same cloth, Minecraft, where to this day “features” like BUD switches and piston shenanigans have stayed in while being embraced wholeheartedly by the java community. I certainly could see what you say being possible but I truly hope you’re wrong as I cannot think of any greater waste of their time.

[@ochiniwa]

@@LaureTheGamer I hope I am wrong too...

[@Layarion]

@@LaureTheGamer i'm hoping they go the other way, and make it easier to do this without having to use the blueprint system

[@転位]

I had no idea that the sorter would enable teleportation. But then I realized that the sorter connection I had been using was indeed suggesting this phenomenon. I'm sure I'll be watching this video again and again. Thank you very much.

[@kkgc5760]

Ludus: 8:29 "make sure you delete the flat ends..." Me: MADMAN! Great videos i only wish i have seen your videos earlier, would saved me dozens of hours! These types of belts are so useful for compact builds and those pizza slice builds

[@xenoneuronics6765]

Fantastic videos, really helpful, really enjoyed them. Good time stamps, concise, clear voice, the pinnacle of gaming tip videos 👌

[@LudusMachinae]

thank you very much! I tried to make a video with all the things I wish people did in guides. glad it worked like I wanted! next time I need a proper script though so I'm not repeating "as you can see" every time I'm showing something off LOL.

[@xenoneuronics6765]

@@LudusMachinae I think that's a great place to start, with what you like. When I was watching a lot of music tutorial videos, I really started appreciating people like Kenny Gioia on the reapermania channel. Clear, concise, uses earlier presented knowledge to build up to the next piece of presented knowledge. You get a feel for what a good tutorial video looks like, and generally they have no extra fat, because we've only got so much time in a day. That vertical belt trick btw, 'sheer' genius, actually impressed. Just wringing out every drop of juicy goodness from those conveyors 🤤 Well I'm subbed anyway, so looking forward to any other video you do! 🙌

[@katraapplesauce1203]

awsome guides, not much else to say, just wanting to comment -> i watched all the way through and hope the algorithm is ever in your favour

[@victorchen3245]

17:26 This completely changes the "prod line design" game! They can be so much more compact with this. I hope this is considered a feature instead of bug to be fixed in a later version XD

[@brianarsuaga5008]

Boy did I have to watch this a lot of times to wrap my brain around it. The first watch, my jaw was just on the floor as I laughed incredulously.

[@danyraven7624]

0:00 From spaghetti to CANNELLONI awesome

[@tiagopesce]

this video for experienced dsp players is how todays science sounds to caveman

[@mw3gameplayj117mw3]

Just found your channel, love it! Seeing your display of creativity has encourage me to get back on and play.

[@explodinggreen]

Very nice video, this will totally change how I setup my factory

[@livlumeria]

Thank you for this. For vertical belt teleportation - you mention "Once you have the belt out - you can do regular belt bending to it" -- however when you then showcase your teleporting belts they are NOT pulled "out" but rather are _still_ inside AND lifted. Since belt bending only goes up and down -- and you can ONLY belt bend _after_ pulling belt out - how do you say: Pull belt out (covered) Bend belt up (covered) and then pull belt back in (not covered)? Edit: Awh nevermind -- I figured it out. You do same thing but in reverse -- you autocorrect out - belt bend up - then autocorrect back in. Thank you for showing us the fundamental techniques so we could use them to solve problems, such as this, on our own using first principles thinking :)

[@LudusMachinae]

glad you figured it out! that is the goal of these videos. give small examples of fundamentals so others can apply them better than I ever could

[@Layarion]

Life gave you lemons, and you made max jank lemonade out of them.

[@palamankotank-holy2193]

Awsome Video!. Lets the compact factories begin.

[@WASSERAN]

I would like to complement your highly professional commentary. It is quite unusual to hear this on KZbin Gaming.

[@LudusMachinae]

thank you so much for the high praise! I only tried to be thorough but concise because there was lots of tricks and I wanted the video to be both understandable and approachable.

[@JiesiLuo]

The sorter teleportation doesn't seem to work anymore. I tried to create a simple 20x1 smelters blueprint which produces iron ingot. Very simple setup: the belt underneath send in iron ore. I used one teleported sorter at full height (from your toolbox) for output. When I copy it to somewhere else, some output sorter will send items to the belt underneath which will jam the belt. I tried to only remove the belts after construction and force repaste the blueprint again (that seems to work according to some guides I found online). However it still would not fix the problem for me. Also I noticed that the problematic sorters kept changing as I re-paste the blueprint. Not sure if I am doing something wrong. Some tips would be super helpful since this is now breaking quite a few of my blueprints.

[@jockeril]

this is not only belt bending - it's mind bending ! maybe that makes it blending ? 😄 thanks for sharing

[@mikecochran1759]

I had originally written a post on here saying that none of these techniques work they may have been patched out but but it just turned out your details were a little off. When making the ramp at the Pole and then dragging that ramp to the Pole to make the vertical ramp you need to leave the flat part at the bottom but delete the flat part at the top not delete both.

[@LudusMachinae]

what type of error do you get when the bottom flat bit is deleted? there's no mechanic I know of that would cause that. I do know it can fail if the ramp is too tall because the blueprint thinks it is overlapping itself

[@JiesiLuo]

I just tried out the two ways you demonstrated at 7:50. Seems like neither of them is working anymore. Does it mean the only way to make these compacted belts is to paste them from an existing blueprint?

[@davecrupel2817]

Come back bro. These uploads have been helpful af and id love to see more.

[@kingdomheart9999]

Is there any practical use of these belt?

[@Davidlavieri]

leveling up the spaghetti

[@NikolayKharitonov]

It's not quite clear how to make off-grid elevator like at 3:41 (bottom and top lines central point at height of 1)

[@LudusMachinae]

that is covered in part 1 of my advanced belt tips and tricks. that is why at 6:00 I say it is not hard to make these individual pieces, all the pieces are easily buildable with only tricks found in part 1. If you still have problems let me know, (especially because specifically the trick at 6:00 has problems being done now and needs adjustment)

[@mikeloeven]

These bend reality so much I am kinda surprised you didn't accidentally summon the old ones when placing these

[@LudusMachinae]

the night is young

[@Nortonius_]

These are great techniques! I need to go back for Part I. Anything in the new Jan 20 update that catches your eye? Thanks! 🙏🏾

[@LudusMachinae]

nothing specific to belt tricks like these videos other than sushi belts will become much more useful with stacked items, but i have been procrastinating my next mining outpost until the update for those incredible new mk2 miners. That and the new sphere design tools are going to make my next few projects a breeze!

[@xyand221]

Was searching how to make sorter grab a diffent level item and found this gem, not gonna lie you opened my eyes and I have a feeling that's another 12 hours of life gone trying to remodeling my planets, especially @13:07, this intersecting without the hassle of splitter is game changer for me

[@oLaudix]

Some of the sorter teleporting wont work anymore after devs made some additions to belts last patch. They added length check for the connection and if its too far the sorter wont connect after being built. Short connections (and sorters that are already built) still work but it still lowers the versatility a lot because the range is very short.

[@hellfaf2302]

Yup, new limit is 1.75 grid spaces for the sorters, this applies for vertical and horizontal

[@alexeinovikov7409]

I was able to get them to far distances past 1.75 but only via "belt bending". But if I put them as a blueprint, I wasn't able to find a way attach them to buildings. So, I have to individually belt bend them for each time I use them

[@hellfaf2302]

@@alexeinovikov7409 Yeah, this also applies to belts in general where the limit is 1.25 grids but if you bend it you can get any length it just doesn't blueprint so its not much use. For the odd edge cases you can get away with it but its time consuming.

[@josephzicaro9913]

8:53 made me laugh out loud literally

[@jefferylegere]

could you post videos on how to USE the blueprints you post. otherwise what good are they.

[@LudusMachinae]

My blueprints aren't really good for anything, I make them as personal challenges and small examples of build techniques. These videos are so other people can make actual good blueprints using the techniques I find. They are the only "good" part of anything I've made.

[@YouCountSheep]

Man, this is exploit galore lmao. Defeats the whole idea of using different speed belts midgame that are 2 or 3 grid away from a machine to still get the insertion speed you need to feed it. I guess its ok for people who want to play like that. I get more joy out of it building something normally and make it work and still be efficient. But I see the appeal. It saves alot of space and can make more space efficient machines. The only trick I use is to use sorters instead of long belts sometimes when I need to move a small expensive quantity of items from a machine to another, mainly the big charging stations with accumulators where you don't want hundreds of charged batteries sitting on the belts. But amazing finds. The 4 stacked belt system is truly something. 3 inputs and 1 output on one "belt" is really crazy. Not many people even pierce inbetween the machines to do an input or output and vanilla style it is pretty difficult to do and barely expandable. You get a like anyways.

[@LudusMachinae]

Only ever play how you find fun. glad you at least enjoyed watching me break things :)

[@RobertShane]

So if given enough time, I could teleport items to the other side of the planet? With an advanced enough setup, could a belt system out perform drones?

[@LudusMachinae]

I haven't personally tested but yes I think so. the only reason I can think it wouldn't is if the game calculates sorters differently when farther away but I doubt it with a game like this

[@LudusMachinae]

Thank you so much for 100 subscribers! UPDATE TO PART 3: Blueprint mode now detects if the dot parts of blueprinted belts collide with the lines between other belts, though belts which intersect only between belt dots still work fine. Watch Episode 1 Here FIrst: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eavWmHWPpdF0ftU Blueprint Tweaks Mod: dsp.thunderstore.io/package/kremnev8/BlueprintTweaks/ Blueprint accounts: Ludus: www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/users/1066/blueprints Aim34: www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/users/584/blueprints His referenced blueprint: www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/blueprints/belt-part-bundle Amish_bug: www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/users/498/blueprints Fate: www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/users/1924/blueprints

[@tonytony-yw7tg]

the way it turns into a puzzle game

[@benketriel]

Very interesting belt bending. Unfortunately the elevated sorter breaks after blueprint at some places, for example I had a row of 20 refineries taking inputs from 3 stacked belts but only 15 work after blueprint.. :(

[@LudusMachinae]

teleportation only works up to 2 units vertically now. anything previously placed will continue working, but blueprints will break :(

[@benketriel]

@@LudusMachinae not sure what you mean with 2 units, I needed 3 levels so I had floor level, one up, and 1.5 up (because I assumed a 0.5 would collide with sorter) and this is what breaks with BP. It doesn't always break, and I have only tested refineries. However it is also confusing because it says it's still attached but it outputs to the wrong belt, and clogs the factory until I find which is the one outputting to the wrong belt

[@benketriel]

@@LudusMachinae also I noticed that 2 units downwards consistently breaks after BP but not 2 units upwards for some reason. Regardless I only used 1 and 1.5

[@overloader7900]

Was it possible then to connect multiple sorters to one belt, letting you build a singularity through which everything (within confines of a single planet) comes and goes?

[@LudusMachinae]

yes but then all througpit will be limited to the amount of items you can push into that one spot. probably 4-8 belts max

[@palamankotank-holy2193]

I spend the entire night...i don't know how it works for you. Do you mind, Can you do a blueprint?, 3 lines connected to an assembler, is that posible? I tried compact belting line you did in 5:00 . building. Copy/paste a thousand times. For some reason my assemblers wont take the items from the belt.

[@LudusMachinae]

did you use belt autocorrect to move the belt then belt bending to move them up?

[@LudusMachinae]

also my blueprint account is in the description. I have examples there

[@palamankotank-holy2193]

OH yea i know.. I already downlead them all. I'm playing with them. They are amazing

[@palamankotank-holy2193]

actually...you right, what a idiot why im not copy it form them. xD Sorry im too slow sometimes...jajaja

[@HarrierBr]

great stuff! thanks for sharing

[@TheSanek1990]

can you build a belt from 1 planet to another?

[@LudusMachinae]

I wish :*(

[@JiesiLuo]

Hi Ludus, thanks a lot for this eye-opening guide. In the sorter teleportation section, how did you lift up the node that's attached to the sorter (like the ones in your toolbox). The issue I am having is sorter have hitbox at half height. That means when I tried to lift up the node like you have shown in episode 1 with a half height node and a full height node, I had collision warning and couldn't place the half height node on top. Did you pull the node out from the sorter, lift it up and put it back? Appreciate the answer. Thanks.

[@LudusMachinae]

you guessed it correctly. you need to autocorrect the belt out of the sorter's collision before raising the belt with regular belt bending, then you can autocorrect it back above the sorter like my toolbox has. (that's why it's in my toolbox, such a long process, better to have some preset and ready)

[@slavikmuhich]

Great video! I’ve used this techniques a lot before, thank you! However DSP devs recently made their own “vanilla” blueprint system that forbids force placing from Blueprint Tweaks. Is there some kind of a way to do sorter teleportation with new mechanics?

[@LudusMachinae]

this doesn't use any force placing blueprints, any examples i use that show off things colliding are examples of why this wouldn't work other ways. the only thing i used from blueprint tweaks was the free camera to show off the more precise placements more easily. I have tested all the tips in my videos in 100% vanilla before releasing. (i also just double checked all my tricks because its been a few updates since I last played and can confirm almost all my tricks still work, dont think its going anywhere any time soon)

[@slavikmuhich]

@@LudusMachinae Huh, looks like I just do it wrong, cus I really thought it’s necessary to use force placing) Rewatch time! Anyway i was about to do it. Didn’t play for 6 months, practice make perfect) Thank so much for responding!

[@LudusMachinae]

@@slavikmuhich no problem, and thank you too! I noticed something did change in the way collisions of intersecting belts are detected! part 3 of this video no longer works. I will have to make an update on how to work around it because they only removed this easier method of doing it. also part 3 had the wrong timestamp, don't know how I missed that lmao

[@m0nsterbeats]

amazing stuffs

[@TheRipdub]

Can you make a basics tutorial?

[@LudusMachinae]

maybe, I can't tell how much people want it. you're the first to comment it at least

[@Garthritis]

There is no spoon

[@tracerVG]

main I though I had finally found an easy logistics game to pass time but this... XD Amazing belt building techniques though

[@d0senschreck471]

First of all, thanks for your awesome videos and tricks! I have a problem while trying to build a vertical belt with the "planets pole trick". I'm unable to do what you showed in your video. Do I need a particular planet-type for this or is it maybe fixed by a patch?

[@LudusMachinae]

the belt might be too long. I didn't mention it but if you use too tall of a belt the game will register it as colliding with itself. if that wasn't the problem be sure to delete the flat ends off both sides before copying it.

[@d0senschreck471]

@@LudusMachinae Found it by myself: Instead of altitudes I used longitudes - that was my problem. When using altitude for basebelt, it works like a charm. Sorry about that...

[@LudusMachinae]

@@d0senschreck471 no problem. that's good to know, I never tried that

[@brianarsuaga5008]

@@LudusMachinae To add to this, since it's at the pole anyway, every cardinal direction is north or south, and no matter which way you move it'll be latitude. But for some bizarre reason it'll only let you place a connecting belt onto it along one axis, and not the other. (I think at 0 and 180 rather than either 90)

[@brianarsuaga5008]

You can still just copy it and use blueprint correction at another latitude though, regardless of orientation.

[@mub4125]

It's Mind blowing

[@predur4136]

I only got the notification today, damn youtube

[@bam__boozled]

.... this is disgusting... i love it...

[@NatanStarke]

Such a cool tower lolz kkkk

[@Player24]

*Ludus Belts Program.*

[@justins12]

Next up: belt in space

[@LudusMachinae]

logistics stations hate him! learn how this one man discovered how to transport items between planets with no power cost using only belts! lol could you imagine

[@justins12]

@@LudusMachinae It would be a cool glitch.. that's if it could even happen. I'd love to see something like it though.

[@vertice30c26]

I’m a little disgusted but also intrigued.

[@ВладимирФоменков-й7р]

Game is so broken :(

[@LudusMachinae]

that's the fun part! :)

[@doingmypart666]

maybe STOP talking about what you are not going to be talking about but talk about what you wanna talk about? 30 seconds and its already annoying

[@kevin780313]

wtf bruh

[@perrymeril]

Ludus, if someone has a 3xline of multiple z layer main buses, do you think they could use these techniques as a way to not have to use sorters to pull from the main bus lines? I'm used to used sorters to pull, but after seeing this I'm wondering if ... I can just not .. use the sorter set ups anymore and use belts to massively raise throughput. puu.sh/IZSqY/ab0780e26b.jpg

[@LudusMachinae]

I don't know, I don't personally use large blue systems like this very often, so I'm not super familiar with the problem you are trying to solve. you can definitely use these to make the downward elevators you're using much smaller. the only thing I'd say is do not try to use splitters. sorters are much better for lag, even if you need 4 or 5 to get the throughput you need. splitters (as of right now) aren't super UPS optomized and are generally laggier

[@perrymeril]

@@LudusMachinae Well, I have ZERO plans on using splitters. I do not personally like them either. I think I have a total of one in my entire late game build and that was because I built a line of smelters that ended up being too long for iron ore so I put an injection point later on. What I'm thinking of doing is having a line go down from the multi-z layer belts and use them similarly to how my sorters are being used. I ... Think.. this is possible with your elevators. One elevator out, one elevator in, and it acts a single belt - no breaks from the main bus.

[@LudusMachinae]

@@perrymeril oh yeah that's definitely possible. might need some intersecting belts like here: 11:56. you'll probably need custom height ones tho