Eönwë the Herald of Manwë | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth

[@GeekZoneMT]

Is Eonwe your favourite Maiar? Or do you guys have some other favorite? - For some reason, the first time I had read the Silmarillion, I always assumed Eonwe was a woman based on his name, and I only realized my mistake after my second reading of the Silmarillion 😂. Sorry about that Eonwe, this video is my way of making it up to you! As always guys, subtitles are available, and feedback is welcome!

[@tominiowa2513]

Maybe the question should be who is your favorite Maiar besides Olórin?

[@alanmike6883]

Is hard. All had a part to play. Don't forget the Maiar who were under ulmo who the numenorians would pray too. But eonwe is a good choice. I wonder though unrelated, if radogast would be forgiven and allowed back in time. Although he technically failed, his heart was never filled with evil or Ill intent and his sponsor was yavana

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Maybe Ariën for scorching Morgoth 🔥

[@Enerdhil]

@@tominiowa2513 Good call. I wonder if Gandalf was able to change his hroa back to Olórin when he returned, or did he continue to use the hroa of Gandalf for Bilbo and Frodo's sake.🤔

[@jimbombadill]

Sauron is my favorite along with Gandalf...they are both faschinating

[@metatron6262]

He's definetly one of my favourite from among the Maiar, and I don't even really know why. I just like the idea of Eönwë as a sort of counterpart to Sauron, complete with him successfully leading (and personally defeating in some accounts) the downfall of Morgoth, in contrast to Sauron's failure to fully defy the Valar.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Yeah, I really wish we got to see more of him tbh in the books, to get a better feel of his personality

[@scottrackley4457]

I thought it was the interaction with Feanor. And, of course, decimating Melkors armies.

[@eonwe3559]

I actually admire Eonwe. He's courageous, loyal, talented and wise. A very underrated character.

[@samuelbattershell3413]

I like the idea of Turin being the one to deliver the finishing blow to Melkor. There's something cathartic about a man who was cursed to a miserable life striking down the 'god' that cursed him.

[@ellerj641]

Eonwe is pretty cool, but I think Osse is up there next to him for me. I love how Osse has mood swings and likes to cause chaos, yet absolutely adores the Teleri elves and their singing. The only time I don't like him is when he unnecessarily kills the friends of Voronwe and tries to kill Voronwe too when they were trying to return home. Thankfully Ulmo spared Voronwe who is one of my favorite elves. So glad Voronwe also survived the fall of Gondolin later.

[@roddo1955]

I already voted Melian but Osse was a close second!

[@scottrackley4457]

I like reading about Osse, he was prone to be violent unless Uninen showed him some love or Ulmo told him to pipe down. He loved elves something fierce tho.

[@williamdoran9082]

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[@bedlaskybedla6361]

My favorite Maia is Melian. But I like Ëonwe as well, he seems like a nice guy. I think that among Maiar you can find more interesting characters than among Valar. Especially Melian, Gandalf, Arien, Eönwe, Radagast and Sauron are quite interesting.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Yeah, I really like how Melian has quite a 'human or elvish' feel. Her own personality and history make her seem less like a spirit, since I suppose we can connect with and understand her motives better :)

[@bedlaskybedla6361]

@@GeekZoneMT Yeah, Melian is wise like a goddess, but she is portrayed more human-like. I always love to read that chapter, when she met Elwë in Nan-Elmoth. It is so poetic. Btw. do you have plans for more videos about Greek mythology?

[@treesamongpeople]

eonwe is definitely my favorite maia, but my all time favorite character from tolkien is fingolfin and i'd love to see a video of his life until his ultimate battle with morgoth himself

[@istari0]

Eönwë is definitely among my favorite maiar but the top position belongs to Olórin, a.k.a. Gandalf, Mithrandir, Tharkûn, or Incánus. If I was going to pick anyone to take down Morgoth at the end of the Dagor Dagorath, I would choose Aulë, as a kind of payback for corrupting two (one indirectly) of his maiar, Mairon and Curumo.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Ohh that would be interesting! I wish it was someone related to Feanor tbh, as a sort of redemption for their actions, and a way to avenge all of the hurts Morgoth inflicted upon their line :)

[@tilion_7002]

Curufin's the son of Fëanor, you probably meant the Quenyan name for Saruman which is Curumo

[@istari0]

@@tilion_7002 You are quite right. I will fix it.

[@JACKAL98]

Aule would get his ass whooped lol

[@istari0]

@@JACKAL98 In the context of the Dagor Dagorath, the best known version has Túrin Turambar killing Morgoth. That's even more implausible; Aulë was one of the most powerful Vala. But Tolkien decided not to finish the story so we don't know how exactly that would have happened.

[@jessegreen6138]

Olorin is my favorite Maiar. In case someone doesn't know this name he is also known as Gandalf by the Hobbits and others of Middle Earth. Thank You Karl, for this lore video.

[@GeekZoneMT]

You're welcome buddy! Yeah I agree, Gandalf is probably the most popular Maia by far, though it would be interested to see why anyone would prefer some other Maia over him :)

[@scottrackley4457]

a reason might be that get gets the most book time. Tolkien didn't have enough time to flesh out all the Maiar, nor did I think he cared to. He left the rest of the story to our imaginations, which makes a good story. Long story, but a good one. Spawned a new era in Fantasy at least.

[@mszalans4817]

My favourite Maiar is Mairon. He may be evil, but with scarce resources he had, he achieved more than any other Maiar. This is truly admirable. Additionally, he has the best lore of all Ainu in my opinion. IMO he is the best written character in Tolkien's works. It is a pleasure to read about him.

[@sebastiaanvanveen3719]

He’s my favorite Maia as well.😁

[@Detheroc420]

I like that its Turin who gets all the wrongs wrought against him righted in the end by being the one to finally end Morgoth at the Dagor Dagorath. He had it way worse then his cousin so him receiving that absolution at the end is just -chefs kiss-

[@hogsmeadhowler]

A great video as always and lovely to see you doing the narration again. I find your voice very relaxing and your knowledge and love of the lore shines through.

[@jacksunbrown]

Its great to hear you, Karl! I enjoy your new narrator but there is something I particularly enjoy about your personal narrations. I can feel your love and passion for the lore! I enjoy your content

[@tilion_7002]

My favourite Maia is Mairon. Before Sauron turned evil he was just uncorrupted Maia with intentions of perfection. Also Mairon means admirable in Quenya

[@captainvalourous6668]

To be honest I wanted to see how he hangs out with Tulkas and Turin before kicking Morgoth's ass in the events of Dagor Dagorath 😅

[@PYRESATVARANASI]

I just wish we had more content and information on the War of Wrath. Just imagining the brutality of it gives me chills. I mean we have Elves, Maiar and Valar fighting side by side.

[@jirifejks1798]

Valar didnt fought in war of wrath only their servants did

[@ir8free]

@@jirifejks1798 few of the valar like tulkas might have directly partook during those 42 years, though not explicitly mentioned.

[@jirifejks1798]

@@ir8freesorry for late response,but Tolkien himself stated that noone of the Valar were present in War of Wrath,Manwe have sent only his herald Eonwe to lead their forces and to defeat and capture Morgoth,Tulkas was not present.

[@deanostanley8530]

Great content yet again. So glad you are back.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Cheers buddy, it's great to be back!

[@thylange]

The line about Eonwe mightiest in arms, was added by Christopher Tolkien. I assume that he did this to justify Eonwe's command of the Valars army.

[@whodidthat2732]

Awesome!!! I love your videos. Keep up the great work.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Thanks man! 😁

[@ericgiguere1618]

Great video as usual. I'm happy with Eonwe's role as it is. I know the story but it's always a pleasure to hear it again. I'm so impressed with the depth of Tolkien's world. I fail to see the importance given to Turin Turambar though. I never liked his character and his story.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Mhm to be fair he does help to bring out the valour of Men in the Silmarillion :)

[@szabok1999]

@@GeekZoneMT After his life, Turin really deserves killing Morgoth.

[@istari0]

Morgoth cursed Túrin's father, Húrin and that played a role in Túrin's fall although Túrin contributed mightily to that all on his own. I figured it was a way of getting Túrin payback for all the wrongs Morgoth committed against his family

[@alanmike6883]

I didn't know tulkas took part in war of wrath. Still it would make sense that eonwe was the commander in chief of the army of the west for not only was he a great warrior, he had to have been the greatest tactician for the valar to put so much trust and authority in him don't you think?

[@Theelby33]

Might be my favourite bit of the silmarillion when eonwe shouts for aerendil. Hail aerendil mariner most renowned.

[@tomascarvalho7514]

The armies of the West were mostly made of Vaniar a.k.a the fair elves a.k.a the light elves, practitioners of songs of power, wearing armor made by Aulë the Smith that reflected their own light and at their hands, wielding mighty spears that pierced darkness in a terrible way. Leading them was Ingwion, prince of all the Elves, son of Ingwë, and at his side was Finarfin, High-King of the Noldor, third son of Finwë, leading the remnants of the Noldor a.k.a the deep elves, that didn't follow the foolish Feanor or the honourable Fingolfin to ME. Commanding this magnificent host of High Elves was the most powerfull of all the Maiar, who's skill in the wielding of weapons was unmatched throughout the entire cosmos, Eonwë, herald of Manwë. Probably the greatest battle ever fought upon ME, after the Great Battle of the Powers.

[@phoenixmilburn8759]

Eönwë Melian and Oloren are tied as my favorite three Maia

[@ivannaydenov3363]

While Tolkien mentioned that Eonwe participated in the war of wrath, he never mentioned that Tulkas directly participated in the war of wrath. Tolkien only stated that both Tulkas with Eonwe will fight against Morgoth in the last battle. (Dagor dagorath)

[@pattenicus]

Great video mate! I really enjoyed it. Your narration is excellent. I love your accent but cannot quite place it. Jamaica or Barbados? Or am I miles off? Keep up the great work!

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Malta it is :)

[@RetireandGo]

I appreciate these wonderful videos

[@GeekZoneMT]

Cheers I'm glad you enjoy them! :) I appreciate the kind words!

[@darthgorthaur258]

Challenge the entire host of the Valar....now that is balls of steel....

[@yantowaskito]

My favorite maia is sauron. Who would win if full power sauron duel with eonwe?

[@GeekZoneMT]

Hmmm I suppose if it's a duel Eonwe would have an advantage, since he was the best fighter when it came to armed combat!

[@yantowaskito]

@@GeekZoneMT even if sauron use his magic?

[@mszalans4817]

@@yantowaskito Yes, Mairon was not a fighter. He lost to Huan, and was defeated by a man and an elf. He would loose to Eonwe as well. His power was not within physical strength nor fighting prowess. He vastly outclassed all other Maia in influence over races of Middle-Earth. His power was composed of cunning, terror, politics and industrialization.

[@sebastiaanvanveen3719]

@@mszalans4817 i agree with you.

[@yantowaskito]

@@mszalans4817 ah right, I just realize it now

[@valentinomiller6251]

Melian is definitely my favourite Maia. I don't really know Eonwe. Also, Vala children is an interesting concept, indeed. Dammit - why'd the man have to die? If anyone deserved immortality, it's Tolkien.

[@gregk2369]

I sure missed your voice. Thanks for the video!

[@warriorpoet458]

Eonwe is my favorite Maiar besides Gandalf.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Same, though Melian is also a close contender!

[@scottrackley4457]

Whose might in arms is surpassed by none in Arda

[@Elia-fn8jv]

The most powerful maia together with Melian in my opinion, i would have bben super interested if Eonwe was Manwe'son

[@maxmercer1931]

Tolkien should have fleshed out the War of Wrath into a book the size of the Silmarillion

[@Crafty_Spirit]

A novel about endless slaughter ⚔🩸, now I want it too 😁

[@milosstevanovic4117]

My favorite Maia! Equivalent of Archangel Michael

[@itayshorek6872]

great one!

[@hazbojangles2681]

My favourite is Olórin but second would be Eönwë.

[@Enerdhil]

I wonder if Eönwë could hitch a ride to the War of Wrath on an Eagle.🤔 It beats walking.🤪

[@devinreese1397]

Fionwe his antecedent in the Book of Lost Tales was Manwe's son, and was set to conquer Melkor at the end of days.

[@ir8free]

Wes Chatham could play the warrior Maiar and weapon expert. Florian Munteanu should play Tulkas.

[@darthgorthaur258]

Hey I'm not sure when your voice over guy left but (without disrespect) I really do prefer you reading the scripts it gives them a more norselike or LOTR type feel if that makes sense lol.

[@emilpeterson7034]

I just imagine how many maiar people think of untill realising that there is a certain maia called Olólir aka Gandalf the great. The dude who outplayed Sauron completley by using hobbits to do some crazy shit missions

[@gershomtan5879]

Dude legit messed up a bunch of dark lord schemes by sending little people on side quests and crash dummy missions. 😂😂

[@nicholasbarber3644]

he a total chad

[@ages6592]

I didn’t know that it’s clear that any Valar was part of the host of the war of wrath? You mentioned that Tulkas was in the host while I’ve seen other KZbinrs ask if it would be likely that any Valars were part of the host and in that case who?

[@GeekZoneMT]

Oh yeah that's a mistake on my part, I confused it with my notes on the Valar's first attack on Morgoth, when Tulkas brought him down and trapped him in the chains of Angainor, though I imagine it's very likely that he'd have taken part in this war, since he was always so eager to launch an attack on Morgoth

[@ages6592]

@@GeekZoneMT no problem, that was no critique, I love your videos! I was just curious was a heard you mentioning a Vala actually participating, since I heard theories for both cases. There’s nothing to say they definitely didn’t come and as you say, if someone would have joined it would have been Tulkas!

[@magiv4205]

I personally love the thought of Ulmo taking part in the war and kicking Morgoth's putrid ass. He, after all, was the one who loved ALL of the Children, not just the Elves, equally and was the only one who actively fought for them during the First Age even when all other Valar decided they'd rather hide in Valinor. The fact that Beleriand was rended completely and sunk into the sea definitely sounds like some of the Valar had their hands in it. Especially Ulmo, who I imagine took Beleriand into his bosom in the end so it could finally heal from its marring.

[@monitor-mindtheover-void6712]

Great video

[@nikola_tomic]

What's the music cover u use?

[@roddo1955]

Melian is my favourite.

[@timbaland500]

KARL IS BACK

[@aimansuriaprakash2380]

Although the Valar were not capable of producing children, the Maiar are able to do so right? This is evident when Melian, a Maiar, married Thingol and gave birth to Luthien. So is it possible if some of the other Maiar in Arda were born during the ages of Middle-Earth instead of having already existed since the beginning of time?

[@Crafty_Spirit]

If you look at how the union of Thingol and Melian came about... it seems like divine intervention, a once in the universe's lifetime event. (Unless Radagast sired the Beornings by having an affair with a Northwoman)

[@ellerj641]

Maiar don't need to have children. In my opinion, I don't think Maiar can be created by anyone other than Eru as he has the flame imperishable to create. Melian had to take physical form, which eventually became permanent due to being in that form for so long, to be with Thingol. Since Thingol is an elf, a human like being and not an angelic being like the Maiar and Valar, he would naturally desire to have children. Either Melian was able to make herself physically enough like an elf to be able to conceive and carry a child, or Eru who did have his hand in things, gave her the blessing to be able to do so. Another thing that pops in mind, Tolkien was a devout Catholic. Angels don't need children and would be unable to do so as only God can create more angels. Plus, the gift of sex was only given to men so a man and woman could unite themselves in holy matrimony. This may be the case for Tolkien's world. Only the race of elves and men, and the adopted children dwarves, were given the gift of sex. Much like Crafty Spirit already said, the union of Thingol and Melian was a divine intervention from Eru. A once in a lifetime event. Like how Tuor is the first and only man with absolutely no elvish blood in him, became an elf through the powers of Eru.

[@nikopawlowic6557]

Given Tolkien's Catholic upringing and religious devotion, i don't think its too far a stretch that he based Eonwe off of St. Michael The Archangel, The Prince of The Heavenly Host.

[@matthewnorth4602]

It's crazy how much of a Coward Sauron is

[@azaram8133]

What’s the background music?

[@doctormystic4108]

I bet this Eonwe who make continent sank in war of warth.

[@jamespurcer3730]

Much of the artwork depicting the characters that you presented seemed to be a style that certain Japanese artists use in their characterizations. Their bodies were too big for their heads. I prefer anatomically correct proportions. BTW, I'm an American, so I'm more used to the anatomical exaggerations that the American comic books would depict, but with the exception of the Hulk, I still prefer correct proportions.

[@bauglir2462]

Morgoth my eldest son, with my blessing shall thou turn all creation in Arda including into utter ruin!!

[@ashuramarutempest6867]

The spirits of men aren’t bound to arda after death right?, so how would Turin come back?

[@arturleperoke3205]

Why are Manwe and Morgoth brothers but the other Ainur seem not to be „blood-related“?

[@JMACCSArmiesOfMiddleEarth]

Eonwe is a weapon

[@gianpalacio5635]

Oh cmon :P

[@JACKAL98]

so basically this whole time ive been told sauron was the mightiest maiar when in fact he had an equal??!! Wtf think about it look at wat sauron was able to accomplish over 2 ages, now imagine what eonwe could have accomplished for the forces of good. Also hes the greatest swordsman in the world? I wanna see this elf fight!!! ALSO u wreckon could have killed melkor?

[@Ganjasmith]

Are you Filipino?

[@AlphariusDominatus]

WTF?! TULKAS WAS NEVER IN THE WAR OF WRATH! lol the War would have been over in 5 minutes. Educate yourself

[@yaruqadishi8326]

Eonwe is not ainur he is maiar an angelic spirit not like a god either small or big.

[@yantowaskito]

My favorite maia is sauron. Who would win if full power sauron duel with eonwe?

[@macattackk]

Sauron was more powerful, but Eonwe was more skilled in combat. So it’s difficult to say, but in single combat (which wasn’t Sauron’s specialty) Eonwe would probably defeat him.