E175-6 - Jose Altuve Reveals Bare Foot After Brennan Miller's Foul Ball No-Call; Espada Ejected Too

[@ryankatz7707]

This call should be reviewable

[@2639theboss]

Well you win some and lose some. Sometimes Manfred doesnt punish you for cheating to win a ring, sometimes he doesnt let you use basic logic with a replay system.

[@Adoublelan13]

​@2639theboss Yup, just like your cheating team you follow and are fan of. Manfred didn't punish them. Just like none of the other 100 cheating champions in baseball history. Especially when the whole league is doing what the champion did. What's funny is other teams living rent free in your hypocritical mind.

[@zachansen8293]

Is there even enough in this to overturn the no-hit call?

[@rayray4192]

@@zachansen8293no. It’s impossible for the crew to know if it hit his toe. He hit the ball like a little girl and then whined like a baby.

[@Matthew6418]

@zachansen8293 yes, as Lindsay points out look at the change of direction of the ball. That tells you it hit something for sure

[@jshaddo]

Love these breakdowns. Very informative. I would love to see a full breakdown from the 8th inning on. Lots of umpire interactions during the last bit of the game. Hader called for a pitch clock violation - reviewed overturned Altuve HBP/Foul - No Review or crew huddle Profar HBP - Reviewed but clear missed call It's rare to get both the Home and Visitor team against you in such a short time.

[@andrewszaflarski5379]

Been waiting all day for this.

[@politicalgangster9395]

This is an MLB problem, cuz why is there so many important things that aren’t reviewable.

[@arley2246]

NFL is finally getting with the program with officials that can review without request and radio down to on field instantly. MLB will get that tech in 30 years how slow they work

[@mptr1783]

@@arley2246 exactly. No reason umps cant get together on the field and with replay official at one time and make a ruling

[@Adoublelan13]

​@@arley2246 They use to work slow. But they now implement 100 rule changes in one year to ruin the game. A challenge system for strikes and balls would actually be an improvement though for once, and they will take a long time for that. And being able to challenge more plays that need to be challenged.

[@gmarolda]

If it's so hard to see according to the mechanics manual, why not use replay?

[@mph7282]

Trevor Plouffe had an interesting comment on this...if a player takes off his batting glove or rolls up his sleeve to show where the ball hit him, no way he gets ejected. We've even seen them shoe the ball with shoe polish on it to get the umpire to reverse the call. Why the shoe?

[@SalemHarbor]

Great question.

[@holmj12]

​@SalemHarbor is also probably a combination of his continued arguing about the call.

[@TheMighty-gs2cc]

There is something way more "showy" about taking off your socks and shoes. How many players have sleeves? (all) How many people are shoeless? (2, Altuve and Joe Jackson). That is why he got tossed.

[@MicahSilversmith]

My two cents: #1, we don't know what was said. It's possible and likely that Altuve was cussing out the umpire given his demeanor and aggressive approach. #2 this call was not a reviewable one (the ball hitting altuve happened after a foul ball)

[@mph7282]

@@MicahSilversmith It's highly unlikely that Altuve was cussing him out. It's the gesture that got him run. As for #2, no, that's not reviewable, but neither is that fact relevant. Umpires miss both reviewable and non-reviewable calls all the time. This happened to be the latter. That doesn't factor into Altuve getting ejected here.

[@joshnaudi]

Gotta get the crew together on this one.

[@That0n3Oddball]

I don't understand; if a batter is hit in the HAND and removes his batting glove to show the ump where he was hit, thats totally fine & can be used as evidence that he was hit. However, if you do the *exact same thing* after your FOOT gets hit.... that's considered an "action by a player specifically intended to ridicule an umpire"? Why would those two situations yield completely different results, when in a way they're basically the exact same thing?

[@closethockeyfan5284]

The legend of Altuve grows😀

[@logankline84]

Even though he got first base, Profar didn't like the HBP call because the count was in his favor and he wanted to hit with the RISP.

[@rayray4192]

Profar is a real man. Machado wanted to walk and then hit a home run

[@agathor2017]

I hate altuve and everything but him taking his sock off is hilarious

[@jimlyon1494]

Of course it should be reviewable but if there’s anything to take away it’s that he should have asked for help.

[@visarr]

Profar was not hit by that pitch. He was telling everyone he wasn't. And, the replay clearly shows he wasn't. The umpire got it wrong and I don't know what the NY umpires were looking at.

[@penguin44ca]

Hit his foot dude

[@rayray4192]

@@penguin44catwo different scenarios in the game. I was there. One case play is a batted fair ball Altuve is declaring hit his foot. The other scenario is a hit by pitch. I hear two sounds but the video shows no hit by pitch.

[@MyBiPolarBearMax]

@@penguin44cahe’s talking about the other play. Profar dodged a pitch, but the ump said it hit him and s9mehow review upheld it, taking the bat out of his hands

[@visarr]

@@penguin44ca Altuve Profar

[@Thirdbase9]

I remember a player ejected after being hit by a pitch in the hand. The ump called it a foul ball. The player ended up on the DL with two broken fingers.

[@zachansen8293]

You can break your fingers on a foul ball. I don't know this specific case, but if it hits the bat and then your fingers, that's a foul ball.

[@MyBiPolarBearMax]

Ball hits you? “No it didnt.” Ball misses you? “No it didnt” 🙄

[@PapaVanTwee5]

Nobody expects the "this call not reviewable!" Well, really, they kinda do by now.

[@Ghostrider6A]

This should be reviewable. Didn't TMac say that back in '17? Let's fix replay MLB!

[@rj7411]

Wow! This was a great game that was on slow boil and pressurized into that last inning. Had that playoff feel to it. Thanks CCS for the breakdown.

[@rayray4192]

I was there. You are right.

[@photodave219]

The other thing i take away from this video is that Nobody wants to see feet at a ballgame

[@BIOHAZARDRUSGaming]

I’m confused on Profar yelling at the umps about not getting hit by the pitch

[@woodrowbunopaddle]

He wasn't hit ,and wanted to bat. His run didn't matter to the outcome of the game with men on 1st and third already. While his HBP did advance a guy into scoring/winning position ,that tying run was most improtant

[@neixgd]

he probably wanted to get a hit so they could score

[@visarr]

1) He wasn't hit - please check out the replay. 2) He's a gamer and wanted to knock in the winning run - something Machado didn't do.

[@Mosk915]

I was too. I guess he wanted to hit and try to get the RBI. But it’s a bad look to argue a call in your favor.

[@nwbluezebra]

I don’t disagree that the foul ball should be reviewable. But we also need to to be careful what we wish for. If eventually the teams/owner/players want everything reviewed then baseball games are going to take much longer to play and not be fun for anyone. Also; there should be a separate entrance and exit point for the umpires to their dressing room to avoid any potential interaction with teams. That’s just trouble waiting, as Lyn said.

[@another_jt]

I'm trying to figure out what the logic behind having fair/foul not be reviewable would be. The best i can come up with is that if a fair call is reversed to a foul call, it's pretty simple to unwind the previous fair call, reset to the previous situation, and then add the foul call. But if the original call is foul, and it's reversed to a fair call, what is the remedy for that? When the umpires call a batted ball foul, both runners and fielders act differently, and it would often be difficult for umpires to rectify the situation. That leads me to believe that only if the batted ball were called "fair" would it be reviewable, and at that point you end up with the asymmetrical situation that the same batted ball is reviewable if called one way, but not reviewable if called the other way, which is what happens with close calls.

[@penguin44ca]

Omg how are we not talking about that bat flex

[@mph7282]

Curious that you mention the review of the HBP on Profar but conveniently ignore that both the on-field crew and the replay crew in NY completely blew an obvious call on that one, so obvious that even Profar was arguing that he *wasn't* hit.

[@logankline84]

Profar wanted to keep hitting, the count was in his favor with the RISP. He's been on a roll lately

[@mph7282]

@@logankline84 of course. Plus he, like every one else in the world aside from the HPU and the replay official, knew it clearly didn’t. And that’s giving the benefit of the doubt that the wrong call was simply incompetence, not malice.

[@minaeldiwany3215]

The ball did hit his foot you can tell from any angle

[@Jevildury]

Home umpire can't see it only on camera but in real time nah

[@orbyfan]

Now you know who the successor to Angel Hernandez is.

[@rayray4192]

Asinine comment.

[@dennisd3]

Gil Hodgers was able to show shoe polish on a ball. Why can’t he show injury to his foot?

[@mptr1783]

This is always a very difficult call. Umps can't guess it hit him and trusting an Astro is not gonna work. MLB needs to make everything reviewable with a challenge and I dont want managers to wait for a phone call from above to verify. They should use the same thing umpires use, their eyes, if they want to review something. And, a penalty has to implemented for delay of game if theyre wrong. Simple

[@ryankatz7707]

@mptr1783 at the very least , the HP ump should have asked the 3rd base umpire, who would have had a better view of the batters foot

[@mptr1783]

@@ryankatz7707 do you not understand that every umpire could call it foul if they saw it? No need to ask because none of the other 3 called it when it happened

[@notredo]

I would have preferred Profar to be able to finish his at bat. Sometimes when you buzz a player up and in they focus more.

[@MicahPettit-y5h]

Been waiting on this one. What a wild game. I was hoping you’d address Miller calling the pitch timer violation on Hader for disengaging the rubber and the need for a rules check. Kind of clown on managers for “not knowing the rules” and suddenly they take 5 minutes to check on a very simple rule. Either way what a wild ending to a game. Either

[@JoeyD_AU98]

Seems like I remember that in the 1980s players would use black shoe polish on their shoes. They would check the ball for shoe polish on plays like this.

[@garygemmell3488]

None of us have any idea what the umpires discussed when they huddled. I, for one, believe that if just one of them saw the ball hit Altuve's foot, it should be called a foul ball. And when I say that, he 100% saw it hit his foot. There are three of them out there with three different angles. When I was umpiring it was almost always a two person crew. We NEVER had a discussion after the play to find out if the base umpire saw a batted ball hit the batter. It was standard practice for our base umpires to kill the ball if they 100% saw the ball hit the batter whether it was a pitched ball or a batted ball. It was then left up to the plate umpire what to do after that. MLB seems so effing concerned about the optics if an umpire kills the play if he sees something like this. Get the God damned call correct, FFS.

[@rayray4192]

Second base umpire had no angle.

[@rayray4192]

Calm down Karen. It’s impossible to tell if the batted ball hit the hitter’s foot.

[@garygemmell3488]

@@rayray4192 You obviously must be blind since the replay clearly shows the ball his his foot, which is exactly why this type of play should be reviewable.

[@Azeria]

bloody hell was that all the way back in June? where’s the time gone…

[@joe2lank]

I think a fair ball should be able to called foul using replay. Obviously a foul ball in the box is foul and should be not be reviewable as that would be a crazy situation to try to place runners.

[@FAB_GNC]

Placing runners would be extremely simple since the ball is immediately dead (no runners may advance).

[@MwD676]

@@FAB_GNC he is talking about changing a foul ball to fair-and then placing the runners.

[@Matthew6418]

I argued this in another video all plays outside of strikes/balls should be reviewable. And the Ball/strike challenge system needs to get to MLB fast.

[@zachansen8293]

Letting pure judgement calls be reviewed opens a can of worms like the PI reviews in NFL that lasted one season (or was it two?) It just makes the game worse. Was a batter pushed off a base, for example. There is no objective standard.

[@Matthew6418]

@zachansen8293 that I can agree with but there's no reason this can't be looked at. This isn't a judgment ball this is crystal clear

[@criticiz3]

I remember in the playoffs a few years back they reviewed an unreviewable play. So the only thing stopping them from reviewing is the fact the umps have an ego and don’t want to be wrong.

[@rayray4192]

Asinine comment. Umpires want to get every call correct. You are ignorant

[@edwardhahn4911]

I hear an Airbus hydraulic accumulator!

[@chuckinhouston9952]

Why is ANY play non-reviewable?

[@ZackArturi]

Turner Ward and Oli Marmol got ejected by DJ Reyburn after strike 3 to Lars Nootbar

[@lscales6131]

I think that a manager should be able to ask for a replay (at their expense of course) as a challenge if a ball hit a batter or not.

[@FAB_GNC]

They are able and did so on this play. The call stood.

[@lscales6131]

@@FAB_GNC from what they said it can’t be reviewed they said bc they didn’t call it a HBP they can’t review it.

[@Adoublelan13]

​@@FAB_GNCThis is a non reviwable play. Or else they would have.

[@kicking222]

Some of the rules on what is and is not reviewable are SO unbelievably arbitrary.

[@lscales6131]

Can’t wait to see what you have to say about the crew missing Turner slide into second base against the brewers. He was obviously safe not sure what they could have seen otherwise.

[@PhilliesNostalgia]

His sliding mitt got tagged, I’m pretty sure of that, the question is, was that before he touched 2nd

[@lscales6131]

@@PhilliesNostalgia I didn’t even see that get touched but I dunno it seemed pretty clear he was safe before anything got tagged but then again I’m biased,

[@mptr1783]

@@lscales6131 Im a Phils fan also and both of our announcers ripped the replay call until they came back from commercial and all the sudden a view from right field appeared to show the oven mitt getting tagged.

[@lscales6131]

@@mptr1783 thank you for the update. I may have missed that part. Probably still fuming over thinking they missed the call,

[@whowastheoneguy4719]

Shoutout to Altuve - that was pretty funny

[@SS-lf6bk]

Altuve should have been tossed but that was an instant classic!

[@priceright8963]

Jose forgot that he's at Petco Park, not DeviantArt.

[@Desirsar]

If this can be adjusted in a review of another type of play, request a hit by pitch review. Call will stand, but the fair ball call can be changed.

[@GHelton]

Yeah, but one time I actually ate horse feces when I was on vacation

[@sfan2767]

That's not how it works. This was not called HBP, the only thing the replay center can do is confirm it was not HBP. You can't just challenge random things to make the entire play reviewable.

[@arley2246]

​@brandon737 pass interference was but the league purposely sank it. Official admitted on Macafee show. Replay takes too much control away from the league

[@edsimnett]

An infra red would help this a lot.

[@route2070]

I know what the Astros will be talking about at the owner's meeting.

[@paulnguyen8910]

Altuve gets sent to the dressing room, as has José Espada, tagged with game misconducts from home plate ref.

[@HarrySJohnson]

A very tough call for Brennan Miller to make. What should not be a tough call is sucking up your pride enough to consult your crew. Well done, Brennan. Not.

[@zachansen8293]

Everyone in the crew was entitled to make that call. None of them did which means none of them thought it hit him. no reason to get everyone together when you already know they agree with the call.

[@HarrySJohnson]

@@zachansen8293 there is no downside to consulting with your crew, even if they have no information.

[@rayray4192]

@@zachansen8293nice post.

[@rayray4192]

You are ignorant. If any field umpire was convinced the ball was off the foot they would have immediately shouted foul ball.

[@HarrySJohnson]

@@rayray4192 Ah, the oldest trick in the book: the ad hominem attack. Very convincing! In any case, suppose the first-base umpire thought it COULD have hit him. Is he going to kill the play then? Of course not. He would assume that Brennan has the better view. On consultation, they could absolutely decide that it must have hit him, even if none of them were certain enough to call it in real time.

[@kevinferris1529]

Does any announcer know anything?

[@rayray4192]

Yes, Giants broadcasters are knowledgeable. Can be brutal to umpires but fair and knowledgeable

[@phatpat44]

No need to get the crew together. Anyone that saw it would have called it, like you said. Would just be for show.

[@babababad]

Snicko now!

[@maximus9972]

His wife doesn't like when he takes off his shirt but she's cool with him taking off his shoe and sock..

[@trentandrews1190]

The umps were so bad during this game you could make a dozen videos. How about one for the strike zone and another for Hader’s “pitch clock violation” in the 8th?

[@JackoDaddy5]

The umpire has his had backwards in the 3D model...what a fucking travesty.....

[@BradGiragosian]

It seems to me that the Umpires were wrong in their lack of a call, and you fail to highlight that. It’s the lack of review, arguing too long etc. Fortunately umpires are NEVER held accountable for their incompetence.

[@chuckinhouston9952]

The officiating in this game was as bad as you’ll ever see. I lost track of the number of blown calls by the HP umpire, Miller.

[@rayray4192]

Bullshit

[@visarr]

Even NY blew a call.

[@rayray4192]

@@visarrany expectation of perfection by umpires, players, or coaches is asinine. Baseball is a game of failure. Figure it out, skippy.

[@visarr]

@@rayray4192 Skippy? Did you see the replay of the Profar HBP? It missed him. Yet, NY couldn't figure that out. Not often both teams get mad at the umpires for the same call.

[@rayray4192]

@@visarr In every game players, coaches, and umpires will make errors. You make errors often. It’s part of life.

[@bsebldude]

No reason to get the crew together. As you said ANY umpire can call this, so if any of them saw it hit his foot they would've killed it..

[@DJTexan]

Umpire should be suspended and pay Altuve’s fine, not only for the sensitive ego-ejection, but for refusing to get help on this.

[@Jevildury]

What you mean??? 😅😅😅

[@rayray4192]

There was no help, Nancy.

[@DJTexan]

@@Jevildury I mean what I said. It’s clear.

[@DJTexan]

@@rayray4192 That’s my point.

[@Jevildury]

@@DJTexan shit made no sense 😆😆😆 goofy comment shit blew my brain cells

[@Clothahump1]

Home plate ump screwed the pooch twice in the 10th inning.

[@offbrandsoup2579]

The umpire needs to get demoted

[@ronpeacock9939]

This is one that should be reviewable. If you have the replay anyway use it. this is one reason I hate replay and would never work a level with it. If you can't review something like this? waste of technology. still, when Jose took is sock and shoe off... to quote hawk Harrleson... He Gone!

[@Jevildury]

She just explained it can't reviewable it's in the rules

[@stephenkasper6081]

Ask for help? From who? The closest umpire is 120 ft away and you can only see it from 5 fps slow-mo. It should be reviewable, I just don't like it when announcers say dumb things

[@georgepappas7251]

maybe if altuve wasn't a known cheater he would get the benefit of the doubt

[@旭球]

@@georgepappas7251 He isn't, and he does. This ump was terrible

[@TeemarkConvair]

ya know i grew up watchin' Mickey, Roger, Whitey, Carl, Phil, Yogi,etc.. that was a game called BaseBall,, i have NO idea what this "fuzzy kitten" IT managed stuff is,,other that a disgrace

[@bennelz]

Always think of this when Lindsay does an Altuve video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIiwoZKwbK-hrtk

[@mcwizzle99]

one of the worst crews doing it

[@jamesmurray3948]

No need to get the crew together as most of us, if we are on the bases, have been trained to call time if we see a batted ball hit the batter without being asked by the PU. The PU knows he doesn’t need to get the crew together because any one of them would have killed it if they were sure it hit Altuve. Surprised Lindsey thinks it was unfortunate but there is the optic to deal with and maybe appeasing the manager by getting together would “look” better.

[@mptr1783]

youre correct but possibly they got together to make sure they couldnt review the call.

[@jamesmurray3948]

@@mptr1783 Lindsey says "it's unfortunate that they didn't" for this Altuve occurrence. It might be unfortunate due to the impression that the PU has got to get help but the PU knew that the help would have been forthcoming if any BU was certain of the contact. Does Lindsey think it's unfortunate due to the optics or does she not know the mechanic for a BU calling time for a batted ball hitting the batter?

[@mph7282]

@@jamesmurray3948 you’re arguing that the optics of getting the call objectively wrong are better than the optics of the HPU getting the crew together and saying “that’s a tough call for me, but I have a foul ball, anyone see anything different?” That’s a wholly ridiculous position.

[@jamesmurray3948]

@@mph7282 I'm not sure which position you say is ridiculous. If the crew got together your quote would not be what the PU would say. It would be "I know you all would have killed it if you saw it but I'm getting together to appease the manager, announcers and crowd. I'll turn around now and give the foul signal again."

[@mph7282]

@@jamesmurray3948 your original position was ridiculous. This follow up of yours is even more so.

[@arley2246]

This is why i am for a yellow and red card system some have been advocating for. This should be a warning

[@zachansen8293]

There's no need for warnings for things that aren't hustle plays during the actual action of the game. This was just a bad choice and he deserves the ejection. Warnings would just increase how often people did stupid stuff that delay the game for no purpose. A slide tackle in soccer could have been a great play if it got all ball, but a tiny error in timing makes it not. A warning is great for that. There's no world where taking off your shoe is the right thing to do in this situation.

[@MiguelGonzalez-ov6lp]

Why didn't he show his chest when he cheated?

[@0524cami]

Cheaters suck and so do the Astros

[@Trad-breed9]

This is a difficult call and it’s embarrassing how people can’t realize how hard it is to call it

[@teamensa]

The entire crew needed to come together and discuss this. I blame the home plate umpire not for the missed call, but for failure to ask for help when he should have.

[@Trad-breed9]

@@teamensa I’m pretty sure they came together and still ruled it fair and an out

[@zachansen8293]

@@teamensa What do they need to get together on? Every one of them could have called it when it happened and none did. So they all agree. Getting together is superfluous. You only need to get together when it wasn't a call that someone was supposed to make but they may have information to contribute.

[@SalemHarbor]

The hitter showed evidence of getting hit and the umpire got his feelings hurt for him doing so. It seems to me it was more important to the ump to stay the course than to get the call right.

[@SS-lf6bk]

I understand missing it but poor judgement by the home plate not calling all 4 umpires together. Poor decision & he missed it.

[@scottcostello1786]

They shouldn’t get together on this. If a base umpire has this off the foot they should call it foul live.

[@chuegen]

He *should* be ridiculed over this. But, like usual, umpire's union and MLB don't want accountability for their umpires. They just want the Barney Fife umpires who love the power trips.

[@philiplee8330]

Zero sympathy. Move on.

[@JoshuaNazworth]

Yeah I don't like you know the end of the results of the umpires leave it you know up to everything else of the game like you know eject Jose altuve I don't like that but you know what the injection was not right and I think they should suspend this umpire and definite and not just to spend him indefinite suspend him for the postseason you're suspended for the postseason indefinite and if you don't like that you can get the freaking out of baseball then.? @Thirdbase9

[@binder38us]

Karma is a wheel, Altuva.

[@Adoublelan13]

Just like when anything bad happens to your favorite players. Karma wheel for them too. If you dont think so, then ofcourse because your a Hypocrite.

[@1NobleGiant]

I was at the Mets game when he was thrown out and made the comment that it was the loudest cheer the crowd gave at the time. Some trashros, I mean Astros fan, started bombing my comments 😂. Maybe next year, MLB will add these types of foul balls to be eligible for review.

[@Adoublelan13]

Living rent free in all of the Hypothetical New York fans of both teams. Like Hader said last night, "Love living rent free"

[@旭球]

A New Yorker thinking they have any sort of moral high ground over anyone, about anything, baseball or otherwise, is laughable

[@Those_Weirdos]

Good. The cheater shouldn't be trusted in any case.

[@SpikyBananas69]

Some of the worst officiating I think I’ve ever seen.

[@vincentwendt720]

The video just explained why the home plate umpire can't see this play. His view is blocked by the catcher.

[@SpikyBananas69]

@@vincentwendt720 Sure, but Miller didn’t even bother talking with the other umps and I wasn’t just talking about this call. I’m talking about this entire game, the umpiring in general was awful.

[@AvidsForyou]

In this specific situation, it’s actually bad to get the crew together… Here’s why…. Say an umpire does change the call after getting together… the other coach has an extremely valid point of, “well if he saw it hit his foot…why didn’t he call it right away??” That’s why they can’t get together. “Coach, if my crew would have saw it, they would have called it”.

[@SS-lf6bk]

Not. It was obvious to 99% of those on the field he fouled it off his foot. Umps together likely would have gotten the call right & saved him!

[@mph7282]

@@AvidsForyou that’s a ridiculous argument. The HPU should get the crew together and try to get the call right. This happens regularly. It’s 100% the proper thing to do.

[@1969EType]

4 umpires on the field. These are 4 of the best 76 people on this planet who do what they do. 4 of them on the field, any of them can call it, none of them did. Ergo…fair ball and Altuve is out. Good call here.

[@Volante31921]

Cool, despite video evidence showing all four got it wrong, they got the call right. Why even have players?

[@1969EType]

@@Volante31921 Because that’s what the rules say. You want it called some other way, change the rule. Oh…and still waiting to see you get this call correct, though…

[@Mosk915]

If you’re saying that it was a good call to not get the crew together because it would be bad optics to change the call, then yes. If you’re saying the call reflected what actually happened, then no.

[@minaeldiwany3215]

Wrong call

[@mptr1783]

@@Volante31921 the human eyes didnt see it. Video did see it. Dont blame the 4 humans , blame MLB for not allowing the 4 humans to use video on this play. Do you think the umpires dont want to get the call right? Give them every possible tool needed, but MLB doesnt allow it for this play for some dumb reason

[@DinkinFlicka11]

Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh