E20 Rudolf Steiner & C.G Jung with Jonah C. Evans

[@jacquelinedegroot1725]

Thank you so much for this respectful interview. Have been googling Steiner and Jung for a couple of days now. Ordered some books. To hopefully be able to link shadow work (Jung) to the development of our highest sense. The I-sense (Steiner) which requires dubbelganger (dutch) work for parenting and social renewal sake. And then I found this interview!! I have never met Jonah Evans in person. But since months now I’m a hudge fan of him and Patrick Kennedy in their podcast The Light in Every. Thanks so much giving him a podium here. Very very very helpfull.

[@DianneEbsary]

Thank you for putting this interview together. I appreciate the recognition of the helpfulness of such sharings and as a humanistic inspired counselling therapist, I have been forced to reflect and contemplate about the spiritual nature of life, how it is understood and connected with by myself and how understanding that within me allows a door to be opened into supporting others who may be looking to inwardly grow in this way. I am only at the very beginning of understanding much of what Steiner shares yet I strongly resonated with the observations of spiritual evolution and that our time is one for knowing how to move toward an integrated Western & Eastern understanding as much as it is on how to move toward Christ in our individual approaches. Looking forward to exploring this channel and future uploads. 👍🙏

[@doreekaplan2589]

Einstein supported his friend, Steiner.

[@grantsmythe8625]

Everyone is sick and tired of the current way of things. Some are looking for renewal in politics while others are looking for their redemption in the bankrupt American Religion. It's time people began looking within for their renewal and redemption because what we're seeking is also seeking us.

[@liamnewsom8583]

great! nice to hear more from jonah

[@doreekaplan2589]

Our son loved his year at Waldorf School in San Diego, California in the 1990s

[@Ann-ed1bq]

I love this interview. It brings to light in my perception that the Christ mind is able to see the whole of the psycho-spiritual connection. Not to leave out Nietche, I think it can be seen how Nietche encountered the shadow on the Luciferic end of the spectrum, and Jung encountered the shadow more from the Ahrimanic end. Each could taste the powerful will of those two feet of the entire shadow, or Abraxas. Christ had ascended to the head of it all as Steiner was able to perceive. Anything lower than the Christ impulse is from the realm of the shadow, but all is part of the whole cosmic being. Steiner, in builder’s terms, was master at leveling the bubble.

[@RZK33369]

In one of Steiner’s lectures he talked about how the moral behavior or lack of it played out in this realm affects directly the beings evolving on Jupiter. I could have misunderstood the claim.

[@matswinther8991]

Steiner's concept of the highest self as "external" corresponds to Blaise Pascal's view, according to which the only true self is the Christ. But in a fallen world we are bound to cultivate a false self ('moi'). It probably goes back to Luther, according to which our righteousness is external and equal to the righteousness of Christ. He also had the concept of the "wonderful exchange," which implies the marriage union of the sinful empirical ego and the true self of Christ. So 'my' true self is external, and so is 'my' righteousness. It means that there is only one true self, namely Jesus Christ, whereas all others are corrupt and deficient imitations of the one Platonic Person. Jungians don't reason in terms of externality; but it seems to me that it's possible to understand the Jungian self in such a way. Jungians tend to see individuation as differentiation, and the ideal is to stand out from "mass man." Jung had experienced the mass man of Stalinism, Maoism, and Nazism, and he found it revolting. Thus, Jungians will find it hard to accept that there is such a thing as a "good collectivism." Maybe they are too individualistic, which Jakob hints at in this interview. But there is a mass man of God, too.

[@centerofthecross]

Thank you Mats as always for your thoughtful and lucid comments. It’s appreciated!

[@matswinther8991]

But it is better to use the term "transcendental self", because the term "external self" could be understood as the worldly and corrupt self. That's what Thomas Merton means by the term.

[@Awareverse]

It’s sounds like, for God, the Ends(Attainment) justifies the means (evil)…in a way.

[@knowone3529]

Two heros.. both anti-semites Henry Ford knew too

[@Xionkid]

Great topic, but damn, that Swedish accent is soooooooo strong. Also, invest in a better mic - it will make the experience so much better.

[@centerofthecross]

I cant do much about the accent but I’ll work on getting a mic 🥹

[@marymelnyk3678]

I find it makes me listen even more , which requires more concentration and effort, so all good !

[@consciouspreconception334]

@@centerofthecross I adore your slight accent and enjoyed the fact you pronounce "Steiner" correctly. Well done with the podcast! Perhaps you could just speak a bit slower so that non-native speakers could follow a bit better. All the best to you!