Earliest Recorded ‘Geordie’ is From SCOTLAND!

[@IndieGoFigure]

Edinburgh is an excellent day trip for anyone in the north east within reach of the east coast main line, main downside of the city is the hotels can be VERY pricy, us lot can dodge that by being there and back on the day.

[@fishingstevie8830]

@Indie ^ Sensible post only 1hr 35 mins on train from Newcastle to Edinburghs Waverley train station < Main train station in Edinburgh and lets u off there last stop slap bang in centre of Edinburgh ..Same way back to Newcastle in time get off back at Newcastle Central Station ..Very handy but always cheaper to book a month or more in advance . If book day or week before bit more costly .

[@MichaelCook84]

Took my mrs there and spent a bit extra to make it nice and stayed at the Marriot in Edinburgh last year. Cost me £140 for the night. The hotel was full of black African migrants, who no doubt got it all for free. Was shocking and a terrible weekend.

[@jimmyscott9990]

@@MichaelCook84i would have got a refund and left, its becoming a joke now that you cannot even escape on a paid break from the chaos, thats when you know its bad, the Travelodge mustn’t be good enough! At least I know that my 40% tax is going to a good cause!!!

[@andybrown3508]

Great video , we got so much in common with our Scottish 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 friends. Lovely part of the UK 🇬🇧

[@fishingstevie8830]

As a Bonnie Scot --> I always said Newcastle people are very alike us Scots --> Its just only you guys speak funny

[@andybrown3508]

@@fishingstevie8830 😂😂😂

[@winston3031]

My great Grandfather B1872 was George from Durham, a miner moved to Fife Scotland with the Pits, my Grandad B1913 was called George (WW2 BEF) my Dad is called George B1934 celebrated 90th birthday last week and I am George the Fourth B1958 my Son B1992 & my nephew (middle names are George) However, his son is called George (lives in Canada) All originating from Geordie Land My Great Grandfather a miner b1872. “We ALSO All have the same Surname” we either get called Geordie, wee George Big George or Dod it’s funny at weddings when someone shouts George 🤣 we all look round.

[@TynesideLife]

Thanks for sharing 😃

[@THEPete_]

Been in the jingling geordie - the barman were great laugh and good banter

[@AlanBrownPhotography]

Both educational and entertaining as always Eddy. I can't imagine how you keep all those facts and dates clear in your head.

[@TynesideLife]

I’m Autistic 😅

[@AlanBrownPhotography]

@@TynesideLife So there ARE benefits.......

[@TynesideLife]

Aye, but they come at a significant cost too

[@magscheshire8375]

Wouldn’t surprise us if the reference came from Scotland calling Northumbrians it first. The North East and Scotland have always been more connected than the rest of England. Sure a lot of Danelaw came into the east/northeast of England. My surname (obviously my dads side) derived from old Dane/Norse Viking. Not sure it would have come about that long ago though to be fair haha

[@marcusoreallly]

Thanks!

[@TynesideLife]

Wow! Thank you very much Marcus! 🙏👊🏻👍🏻

[@brianrobson9526]

Fascinating as usual Eddie. Keep up the great work 👏👏👏

[@king_viper23]

Scotland has lots of beautiful areas to visit and it's always a beautiful country to visit, Gretna has always had a close affinity to the border region especially the story of Bessie Surtees

[@christiphermeadows5348]

Great poddy edd....I've never been Edinburgh but me mam went many times n loved the place..

[@leeedwards2020]

I'm originally from Fenham, and have lived in Scotland since 1981 (Linlithgow just outside Edinburgh) Edinburgh is named after King Edina of Northumberland, when Northumberland ran from the Humber to the banks of the river Forth It's a fabulous city ,especially during the FRINGE ,so much on , so many things to do,and some great pubs

[@davidhodgson3901]

My mate - a lad from Whickham and NUFC daft - is moving to Linlithgow in the new year.

[@oskarobit]

I'm quite sure that the name come from "a few" years before.

[@leeedwards2020]

I'll need to give him a shout ,and meet for a few beers

[@fishingstevie8830]

As a Scot the pubs nowadays in Edinburgh very pricey ..Leith used to be more reasonable but think them days older traditional bars many have closed and been taken over and turned into Bistros and not same plus are pricey ..But Edinburgh and ive been around all cross Britain and ireland and parts of Europe and Edinburgh for m is best looking city ive seen and i used to go every week at one time and walked many a cobble stone in many parts of Edinburgh in the past ..

[@fishingstevie8830]

Hi Eddie , My Granddad was a Geordie as was my Grandmum and they both left Newcastle where they were born and raised many yrs later for Scotland in old days ..My Father was born stayed in Scotland all his days , was away on Russian convoys with British royal navy in 2nd World war days as wll as Alexandria in Egypt , Haifa in Palestine and Sicily Florence and Venice in Italy . But a Scot with parents as said from Newcastle and here is a twist in my tale my Mother was born in Sunderland , her parents both born raised in Sunderland and they all ended up moving to Bonnie Scotland and so my grandparents were originally from Newcastle and also Sunderland --> And im now ive been stuck firmly inbetween both them citys now for around 5.5 yrs --> Sad or what ? 😁 As for word Geordie i knew Newcastle people were named Geordies just as we ourselves from Scotland were called Jocks ..ive personally always named anyone with name George without even thought of it really name them not George but Geordie here in North East of England and i get odd few odd looks about it lol ..But Scots always call George as Geordie its just way always has been WHY Geordie ? i dont really know but just thought it was a nickname for George in Scotland . Ive only heard people from both Newcastle and Sunderland say name George to people named George in both citys ive heard only ... But i also know as said Newcstle people are nicknamed > Geordies and Sunderland > Mackems . Now how is that u may ask ? Well Mackems made them, the Geordies took them im sure was something to do with ships built in Sunderland and to have other job/s done in Newcastle or.. Any locals would be wiser to that fact or not ? Anyhow thats another story you shall know about fir sure ,..Good videos though Eddie Enjoyed 👍

[@northumberlandjo1666]

Geordie / Northumbrian is the oldest dialect still spoken today. We don’t speak English incorrectly, but speak it as it was originally meant to be!

[@jimmyoconnell6167]

There norse words used in the northumbrian geordie lingo

[@Baron_von_Fargone]

That soonds reet to me marra

[@marioncharleston]

I think scots have had a big say in the geordie language.kept spilling over the border and settling in Newcastle

[@NorthernWayfarer-Alice]

@@marioncharleston or the other way round... Edinburgh was once part of Northumbria 😉

[@NorthernWayfarer-Alice]

Dr Johnson quote at the start of Harry Haldne's 'Geordy's Last' (1878): "The language of the North Counties retains many words now out of use, but which are commonly of the genuine Teutonick race, and is uttered with a pronunciation which now seems harsh and rough, but was probably used by our ancestors. The northern speech is therefore not barbarous, but obsolete."

[@RobertHeslop]

Fascinating video. I'm from Newcastle and funnily enough, I'm moving to Edinburgh tomorrow for Uni

[@marioncharleston]

Ull love it up here.gid luck!

[@RobertHeslop]

@@marioncharleston thank you ☺️

[@stewartwilkie1]

I live in Edinburgh but Newcastle is great city to visit and metro centre.thw walk along the tyme is great.

[@ryon1976]

Another great history lesson Eddie top man.

[@7macdonald]

Miners lamp claim makes more sense in that Davie lamps used elsewhere

[@garyley4270]

Great video as usual Eddy, very informative.

[@theindividualizt]

Fascinating Eddie! George is opronounced very differently in Russia,soI have found out! Love Edinburgh, such a stunning city!

[@kensmith6859]

Your videos are always interesting, well filmed and edited

[@grahamritchie7755]

Great video Eddy Edinburgh is a great city to visit

[@susysamalex]

As a young lad, I joined the Royal Marines and went to Lympstone Commando Training Centre in between Exeter and Exmouth. I was Exeter one weekend chatting to one of the local lasses and she said “Oh, you’re one of those Georgies, aren’t you!”😂

[@MichaelTate-m8u]

Fascinating video Eddy, could easily think you were walking around the streets of Newcastle. The architecture is so alike and at one part of the video you could have been standing in the big market. I wonder how long 'The Jingling Geordie' has been named that, as it does seem to be a very old pub. Thanks again for interesting content, cheers.

[@WilliamGrieves]

Very interesting Eddie. Up until mid to late 70s we used to call ourselves Geordies in Sunderland. Even sang geordie boys we are here etc at the matches. I've heard lots of times it's a name given to the people of the north east because the name George was very popular in the area just as you said. I think that's very much the reason it came about.

[@TynesideLife]

That’s my understanding too William. I think it was sometime early 80’s that ‘we’ used the term Mackems for Sunderland and it stuck. Now that Geordie reference to Sunderland has been erased and forgotten

[@WilliamGrieves]

@@TynesideLife yes I think that's about right I think and falls in with the theory that nicknames are given. The name/term Geordie seems to have shrank to Newcastle as a place and the fans of the club. Anyone outside seems to get plastic Geordie now. People trying to score points I guess. Could be worse, imagine being called a smoggie 😂

[@TynesideLife]

@@WilliamGrieves 😂

[@davee3897]

If I remember correctly the term Mackem became heard more often after a programme 'What Fettle' in the early 70's on Tyne Tees dedicated a show to the Mackems and Tackems of Sunderland. From then particularly at SJP, Sunderland were now referred to as Mackems who in turn seemed to take the name on board as a term of self identity and drop Geordie to separate them from Tyneside.

[@TynesideLife]

@@davee3897 great info Dave 👍🏻

[@derekjohn178]

If you listen to Chaucer s Canterbury Tales told in the middle English accent of the time, it is very similar to geordie. The language then evolved into Shakesperian English, which contains many words of which came from the Southbank, a notrious area for dens of iniquity brothels etc. Could it be that Newcastle s remoteness shielded it from many of these changes, and was therefore the last area to maintain the nickname Geordie for George.

[@asamitchell7948]

I think its to do with the mining background myself and the geordie lamp i believe during world war 1 when newcastle miners were used in the tunneling regiments the other lads from around the uk gave them that nickname with the lamps they used

[@Chieftracyhorse]

Great work as usual Eddie! ❤My family are all Northumbrians, but I was born in Newcastle. A true ‘Geordie’!🖤🤍

[@davidhenley7985]

Eddie have you not studied the links to Scotland through Hebburn during early1800s as little Aberdeen and Andrew Leslie's Shipyard

[@TynesideLife]

No I haven’t Dave. I’ll check it out 👍🏻

[@mickbenton8196]

My fitha was called George and he was known as Geordie in the RAF. Mistakingly on their part but he did come from Northumberland

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

If he's from Northumberland then, your man is a Geordie

[@kendo5862]

🤩 Trust you got to spit on the heart of Midlothian on the royal mile “for good luck”, went up sir Walter Scott’s monument, sauntered down to holyrood palace and then headed up Arthur’s seat… to work off them broon ales! 🏁

[@Veronacelt]

People from Edinburgh called George are often also called "Doddie" or "Dode" which may derive from Geordie/Georgie or vice versa, my granny always called my grandad "Georgie"

[@Bob-uu3tt]

It has also been recorded as a term of abuse meaning “fool”. In 1823 local showman Billy Purvis used it to put down a rival. He is quoted as saying “Noo yor a fair doon feul, not an artificial feul like Billy Purvis! Thous a real Geordie!” (the current George of the Royal Family not being that well thought of at the time)

[@TynesideLife]

I’d question the validity of this claim. I’ve seen the extract you’re referring to which also claims that the Jacobites referred to Newcastle and surrounding areas as ‘for George’ hence ‘Geordies’. Theres no Jacobite record of this snd clearly made up. I can find no other source claiming that the term means ‘fool’ either. In fact we know that Geordie and its various evolutionary versions has been around for at least a couple of thousands of years from Ancient Greece. The Jacobites may well have used the term ‘for George’ but to suggest it singles out Newcastle, particularly, in its benign part in the uprisings, is a rather geocentric view. I’d be interested in any other references to ‘fool’ on this one before taking it seriously. 👍🏻

[@GeordieMax-i5h]

@@TynesideLife The King George connection is a misnomer. However, when we consider that Billy Purvis was a clown and that ‘fool’ and ‘clown’ are cognate in this context (ie. a jester) there is definitely something to explore. The original meaning of Clown from the OED: 1.a. 1563- A countryman, rustic, or peasant. Cross reference this with the Scottish National Dictionary (1700-) entry for Geordie: GEORDIE, n. [′dʒɔrdi, ′dʒo-] 2. A soubriquet for a yokel, a rustic, often country Geordie; also for a miner, as in n.Eng. dial.

[@TynesideLife]

@@GeordieMax-i5h hi mate, thanks for the info. Can you provide the reference you make with the particular book so I can check it. The National Library mention is a bit vague. Where exactly did you read this? Of course we’re more or less discussing two different things. One being the lineage of the name Geordie, but my main point of topic; how our region became collectively knows as ‘Geordies’. Cheers bud 👍🏻

[@GeordieMax-i5h]

@@TynesideLife Hi Eddie. The reference was the Scottish National _Dictionary_ , published in ten volumes, 1976 (ISBN : 0080303617). I included a link in my comment but it was removed as KZbin mustn’t allow links so I had to repost without it. The full text has since been digitised and is available to browse if you search for Dictionaries of the Scots Language (DSL). In Purvis’ rant, after he calls the rival a Geordie, he goes on to say ‘…gan man an hide thysel! gan an' get thy picks agyen’. The rival was a pitman. The female counterpart to Geordie was Jennie/Jenny. In Purvis’ ghostwritten autobiography he says ‘I made all the pit Jennies and Geordies as pleased as Punch - they all liked Billy’ and in 1846 the Newcastle Guardian claimed that ‘Nature niver myeks a Geordie without a Jenny’. Again, there is an entry in the DSL: JENNIE, prop.n., v. Also -y, The woman's pet-name, standing for ‘a woman’ generally, in contrast with Jok. - A generic term for a country girl…hence Jenny-Muck, Jinny-, a working woman; a female farm worker. Coming from a Scottish source it is ‘in contrast with Jok’ rather than Geordie but there was seemingly a period of crossover. _Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue_ by Francis Grose was published in 1811 and this is the entry for Jock: JOCK, or CROWDY-HEADED JOCK. A jeering appellation for a north country seaman, particularly a collier; Jock being a common name, and crowdy the chief food, of the lower order of the people in Northumberland. Then we have the references to Geordies north of the border: -‘Douce country Geordies in the fiel's’ -‘Us ferm Geordies af'en hid a tak 'on o' 'em’ -‘I haed fully expeckit tae see the haill kintra side turn oot . . . tae tak' pairt in the proceedin's, bit barrin' a few country Geordies wi' sticks in their hans, there wis nae demonstration at a' tae speak o'’ -‘Ordinary Scottish Geordies settled for generations in one coal-field’ -‘Labourers, apprentices, women and children, and Geordies from the outlying farmlands’ This might not not give a satisfying ‘aha’ moment as to why we’re collectively known as Geordies but I don’t think there’s one to be found. Why Paddy? Why Jock? Why Jenny? Why George? I personally think it was just a common name amongst the Northumbrian working classes which was then continually reinforced as the shorthand for anyone from the area with each use in a ballad, newspaper segment etc. The lamp then cementing it. I’d be interested to know if George was more common in Northumbria and/or Scotland than it was elsewhere - at least within certain sections of society. I’m not sure of how to go about doing a scientific analysis of that but I have found this: _Scottish Forenames: Their Origins and History_ - Donald Whyte Although George was the name of English Kings and might be supposed to be unpopular in Scotland in the late 18th and early 19th century centuries, George one of the 10 most frequent names in the 1841 Census of Aberdeenshire’ _The Ethnonym Geordie in North East England_ - Michael Pearce Birth records suggest that George was more common in County Durham and Northumberland than it was elsewhere in northern England. Between 1750-1900, approximately 14 percent of boys were named George in these counties, compared with eight percent in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cumberland and Westmoreland. (Source:familysearch.org)

[@sglenny001]

Edinburgh and Newcastle are my favourite City in the UK

[@OrijinaruBTC]

I've been to Edinburgh loads but only on Forza Horizon 4 where you can drive the streets you walked round on the video. I've always believed Geordie was a version of Georgie and your video seems to agree.

[@marcusoreallly]

Edinburgh ❤. Where my heritage lies.

[@johnorange3797]

Amazing as always mate keep it up👌

[@GavinJo]

Northumberland and Cumbria were both part of Scotland until 10th/12th centuries. And fought over til the 1500s ..

[@TynesideLife]

That’s historically not true Gavin. For example, when Newcastle was building its town wall in the 12th and 13th centuries, it was in Northumberland, England. Prior to this Northumberland stretched into the lowlands of Scotland. Of course there have been battles but Northumberland wasn’t part of Scotland Feel free to provide a reference 👍🏻

[@joppadoni]

i believe it is simply a nickname of the name George and the amount of people called George from the region developed in to it being a thing. Would like to say, great editing Eddie. Wonderful video, could watch you all day. Stop slacking and get out more!! Lol I kid of course, you do great stuff and i love it when i see that red dot next to Tyneside life.. 😁

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers 🙏👍🏻

[@krisdeltoro]

I believe the English dialect dictionary published early 1900 has a definition “Geordie” people of Tyneside. But I found a quote from a naval magazine called “united service” … July 1836 United service magazine…Liverpool seamen, Mr. Editor, are the most conceited fellows under the sun-(I think they even beat the Jocks and the Geordies of Shields and Sunderland).

[@TynesideLife]

This is great info thank you 🙏

[@BBT321]

The cave is between King Edward's Bay and Tynemouth Castle. It was originally known as "Jingling Man's Hole", the "Geordie" being a later addition. Jingling Geordie is reputed to have been a 17th-century pirate and smuggler who used the cave as a lookout for incoming ships.

[@TynesideLife]

That’s a different Jinglin Geordie mate

[@BBT321]

@@TynesideLife Yup, Just thought it Funny having another account of the name Jingling Geordie in the mix

[@IanHey-i8z]

My Dad (born 1909) told me that a true Geordie could spit in the Tyne from where he was born.

[@TynesideLife]

That narrows it down to nobody then 😅

[@andyallom4357]

The more decades that pass since all the Pits were closed, how long before we are all known as Metro Gnomes?

[@Ourjudd]

Yeah I agree it’ll be exactly the same as paddy for Irish and jock for Scottish. It’ll be wartime like u say I reckon. Because in places where you can’t be bothered remembering names like conscript for the army you just call them a general word.

[@brok328]

Just for discussion purposes, in this very mixed wartime "division/regiment/squad", where you had Jocks, Paddies and Geordies - what were the others called?

[@RobertD-u3q]

Most you aren't proper geordies, just call yourselves it, weird behaviour

[@PhilEdgarYoutube]

You should have left in the bit where we shook hands up towards the castle! Sorry, I could help it 😂

[@christopherkerrigan9225]

I thought jingling geordie hole was a passage way from king Edward’s bay to tynemouth priory

[@TynesideLife]

There is a Jinglin Geordie Hole where you say. Originally called ‘Jinglin Man’s Hole’

[@orgonsystems3399]

Me too, well know at the coast.

[@andrewnewton23]

Another brilliant video

[@ih8utoob51]

Well researched eddy

[@keithrichardsom1898]

Fantastic Eddie

[@bunnydaduk]

I've got the surname George ! My Son's done a lot of work on ancestry because going back we have family from Glasgow/Clydebank and the shipyards ! But drawn a blank really ! Some of them moved from the Glasgow shipyards to work at Wallsend ! I think he got as far back as around 1900 ish ! I think they must be scoundrels or something obscure because the trace comes to a dead end ? Good stuff ! interesting 👍

[@lil-g4879]

One opinion (from Newcastle University website): Frank Graham, a local writer and publisher, states that the name originally was a term of abuse meaning “fool”. In 1823 local showman Billy Purvis used it to put down a rival. He is quoted as saying “Noo yor a fair doon feul, not an artificial feul like Billy Purvis! Thous a real Geordie!” ( Now, you're a fair downright fool, not an artificial fool like Billy Purvis! You're a real Geordie!). I don't believe that...I reckon the Jacobite one has a little bit of weight, given Newcastle was called 'for George', but the miner's seems to be the most plausible.

[@TynesideLife]

Aye, I’ve seen that opinion on the same website and doesn’t hold up to scrutiny when you research the name further back. There’s no record of Newcastle as being referred to as being ‘for George’ on historical record. It’s made up. I elaborate on this further in the video 👍🏻

[@lil-g4879]

@@TynesideLife that’s what I thought. Very thin on the ground. It’s almost like the nickname gained traction slowly but surely, hence a lack of historical information on it. Fascinating video as usual.

[@simply01uk]

Nice one mate you walked past my taxi (the one with the red n white advert) while doing your piece to camera 😂

[@TynesideLife]

😅

[@toshishimura]

During the Jacobite risings the people of Newcastle supported King George and got the nick name Geordie, problem solved

[@TynesideLife]

That’s made up bud. I evidence this myth in the video 👍🏻

[@antdb4]

Lived and worked in Edinburgh for 12 years...am from Benwell...so 100% Geordie and me and me mates used to regularly gan to the Jingling Geordie for once a month Geordieoki 😂i kid yee not, it was a wild night of singing/drinking...I never fought a Scotsman in 12 years! Wonderful people, Wonderful country💙 🤍🖤

[@JojoChampion]

I told a lass to stop eating KET. She hadn't a clue what I was saying - it's Norse for rubbish. She was eating sweets etc..

[@TynesideLife]

I thought Norse for rubbish was Kros?

[@T3RRAFORM]

Takes some balls to walk around Edinburgh filming yourself. Impressive confidence mate. Keep it up, you’re getting very good at this. 👏 😉

[@TynesideLife]

😅👍🏻

[@mad3arber]

Why Irish music?

[@WendyRobson-gb7rl]

Eddie really fascinating stuff as usual, great stuff i was hooked as soon as i read and the various reasoning, my personal leaning and purely selfish due to family namings is that it quite possibly originated from the Border Reivers, where many of the kids were named derivatives of George"Geordie" one of the more notorious being Geordie Burn (Bourne), this also unfortunately lends itself to the saying Geordies are Scots with the heeds kicked in....I detest it but could be true due to the murdering exploits of said Geordie our clan are Robson and many of the Georges (Geordie) carry the middle name "Reivers" ..coincidence Im not sure...anyway cracking stuff

[@TynesideLife]

Thanks for sharing Wendy

[@AdamCaine-qy5ec]

thank you for information on this topic

[@2coinaphrase121]

Wor Geordies fund his lineage 😅

[@NorthernWayfarer-Alice]

Four points: 1) Scots (as in the language) is derived from Northumbrian - the language of the lowlands of Scotland comes from when most of it was part of the kingdom of Northumbria. So, the theory that because lowlanders referred to George as Geordie doesn't stand up as a reason for dismissing its use as referring to folk from Newcastle. 2) Robert Louis Stevenson uses the word 'Geordie' / Geordy to refer to those who supported King George. The word wasn't used by the supporters of George but almost as a slur by the supporters of James. 3) Northumberland played a major role in the 1715 Jacobite uprising. You had Lord Widdrington who once lived in Stella Hall near Blaydon as a major player - as was Radclyffe, Earl of Derwentwater and many of the other Northumbrian noblemen. Large parts of the uprising were plotted at Shaftoe Crags near Wallington Hall. Most of Northumberland were for James. And it wasn't just Catholics either, the commander of the Jacobite forces was Thomas Forster of Etherston, near Belford in Northumberland, who was a protestant, after the battle of Preston, he was captured but escaped out of Newgate and hid in the chimney of the Lord Crewe Arms in Blanchland until his full escape could be made. This bit is fact, Blackett was tasked with taking Newcastle. But the merchants of Newcastle were for George. Newcastle were forewarned of the arrival of Jacobite forces, the original plan had been to capture Newcastle by taking them by surprise. However, Blackett was captured and jailed in Newcastle until after the uprising had been crushed. This bit is speculation, I believe that there is good reason to believe that Blackett tipped Newcastle off of the Jacobite plans and allowed them to prepare before the arrival of the forces after capturing Lindisfarne. I believe this because the aftermath of the uprising was that Derwentwater's lands were confiscated and given to the Greenwich Hospital while it appears at first glance that Blackett may have gained lands at Derwentwater's expense, Blackett certainly didn't lose lands, the Swinburnes held their lands solely because the father was the owner of the estate but too old to fight, had the son been in possession of his inheritance then their lands would've been lost. Afterwards, it was the priest at Allendale who ratted out all the ringleaders and gave full testimony and as a result his flock chased him out of Allendale. A song recorded by John Bell (1817) in his book Rhymes of Northern Bards (p.77) "Ye wise men, and good men, of Newcastle Guild [...] One thousand seven hundred, eighty and three, for this town, a remarkable aera will be! All folks will think right, from grave age to smart youth, nor priests, nor disciples, e'er wander the truth; Your rulers be loyal to great George the third, each rich man prove honest, and just to his word." And although referring to the 1745-46 Jacobite uprising, the song 'Sons of the Tyne' "Come, haste to Newcastle, ye sons of fair Freedom, you'll there see a sight that will banish your fears; a sight that would terrify Bonney [Prince Charlie], should he come, the sight I allude to's our brave volunteers." In the song 'Rising of the clans', the following verse includes Northumbrian families: "Wigton's coming, Nithsdale's coming, Carnwarth's coming, Kenmure's coming, Derwentwater and Foster's coming, Widdrington and Narin's coming, Bylth Cowhill and a's coming." or the song, 'Canny Newcassel' "Ah hinnies! out cum the king while we were there, His leuks seem'd to say, Bairns be happy; So down o' my hunkers aw set up a blare, For God to preserve him frae Nappy; For Geordy aw'd die, for my loyalty's trig, And aw own he's a geud leuken mannie; But if wor Sir Matthew ye buss iv his wig, By gocks, he wad just leuk as canny. 4) I know a few ex-miners who are/were staunch Northumbrians. If someone called them a Geordie, they were fast to correct them that they were Northumbrians. A Geordie was someone from Newcastle. And yet, there are accounts of miners being referred to as Geordie but these go back further than George Stephenson's lamp. So, it may be connected to the mines but it isn't the lamp. I am of the opinion it is reference to the 1715 and because many people from Newcastle would've moved to the largest employment industry at the time, the mines, they carried the term with them.

[@TynesideLife]

@NorthernWayfarer-Alice Hello mate, thanks for your response. I'll cover your points in order. 1. You make a claim as to something you think I said regarding who was and wasn't referred to as Geordie. I never said what you claim. Feel free to refer to the video again for clarification of what I actually said. Regarding the language... I'd be interested to see a reference for this claim regarding Northumbrians influencing the Scottish language as I'd dispute this. I also note that old Northumbria also stretched beyond York too... 2. Robert Louis Stevenson wrote in the late 1800's and as I mention in my video, those who supported King George stretched (although not everywhere) from the lowlands of Scotland to Southern England. What was he specifically referring to? Do you have a specific reference to this quote? At the moment, point 2 provides no evidence of anything specific. 3. My video is not about the complex history of the Jacobite uprisings. I summarise the important points regarding the 'Geordie' story. As a local amateur historian, I've read up on the Jacobite uprisings and I'm fully familiar with the huge role the Northumbrians (outside Newcastle) played in the uprisings, particular 1715. The rest of point three (although very interesting) provides no evidence of anything regarding who were called Geordies. 4. I cannot find any record of miners pre the George Stephenson lamp being referred to as Geordies, (plural) as you claim. Do you have any? Neither is there any record of people from Newcastle specifically being referred to as Geordies, as you claim. Of course, as I mention in the video, men called George were nicknamed Geordie from as early as the 1500's and probably further back, so there will be many miners nicknamed Geordie, pre the George Stephenson lamp, but not specifically to the North East. Since making this video I've discovered an original 'slang dictionary' by John Camden Hotten, from 1859 referring to 'Geordies' as pitmen of Northumberland and Durham. In 1836 there's quote from United Service magazine referring to the 'Geordies of Shields and Sunderland'. Of course these two references blow my theory out of the water as to starting during wartime. We're all free to derive our own opinions on such matters but it helps if they're based on facts. As I said in the video, the 'Georges Men' theory during the Jacobite uprisings doesn't stand up to scrutiny in any meaningful way. You've provided lots of interesting historical detail, but evidence of nothing and it still doesn't make any sense as to why Newcastle specifically would be called Geordies by the James supporters, since we took such a benign role in the uprisings. If you can add some references to some of your claims I'd be very interested to research the. Thank you.

[@GeordieMax-i5h]

@@TynesideLife Eddie, you do a great job of rubbishing these lazy myths that are perpetuated around ‘Geordie’ and King George etc but on the point about the Scots language, Northumbrian absolutely is the foundation. Have I misunderstood what you’re saying here? Any Geordie who’s had a browse of the The Dictionary of the Scots Language (DSL) will know many of the entries will be extremely familiar. These words were carried northwards into Lothian and beyond from the Northumbrian heartlands as the kingdom expanded in the sixth century. The DSL itself says the origin of Scots lies in ‘Old Northumbrian, a northern sub-dialect of Old Anglian’, further explaining that ‘gradually the variety of Northern English spoken in Scotland began to diverge from the Northern English spoken in England, and the Scots language (although it wasn’t yet called Scots) emerged from the thirteenth century onwards’ Old English had four branches - Kentish, Mercian, Northumbrian and West Saxon. As you’d expect, our modern Geordie dialect is a continuation of Northumbrian, and so is Scots. West Germanic > Old English > Northumbrian > Scots & modern Northumbrian dialects. From the Ulster-Scots Agency: ‘Scots (and Ulster-Scots) is descended from the Northumbrian dialect of Anglo-Saxon. Modern English is derived from the Mercian dialect of Anglo-Saxon’ West Germanic > Old English > Mercian > Modern Standard English

[@jayc6428]

John Camden Hotten wrote in 1869: "Geordie, general term in Northumberland and Durham for a pitman, or coal-miner. Origin not known; the term has been in use more than a century."[3] Using Hotten[3] as a chronological reference, Geordie has been documented for at least 255 years as a term related to Northumberland and County Durham. Newcastle publisher Frank Graham's Geordie Dictionary states: The origin of the word Geordie has been a matter of much discussion and controversy. All the explanations are fanciful and not a single piece of genuine evidence has ever been produced. In Graham's many years of research, the earliest record he found of the term's use dated to 1823 by local comedian Billy Purvis. From the Etymology section on wikipedia.

[@TynesideLife]

So now we know from at least 1859 local miners of (old) Northumberland and Durham have been nicknamed Geordie ! That fits in with the ‘Geordie Lamp’ theory. As this video evidences however, the name Geordie has been a nickname for George since at least the 1500’s, probably earlier and it’s not synonymous with the North East. Fascinating stuff!

[@StuartGrierson-j5d]

Ironic that a bequeath from Jingling Geordie for a hospital to look after poor children is now a private school

[@kevgeordie1]

Why have you reposted this one Eddie?

[@TynesideLife]

I’ve just moved it into this channel as I think it’ll perform better 👍🏻

[@kevgeordie1]

Oh right I thought it might have been taken down 😂👍

[@TynesideLife]

@@kevgeordie1 😂

[@Baron_von_Fargone]

Oi oi Eddy .just watching while I have a cuppa . Hey eddy ,I heard you get a mention on another channel and I was surprised when they seemed to give a wee bit hate towards you and one of your rants about Amanda we were all a bit emotional.anyway..i won't mention the channel because I really do enjoy that channel and I enjoy your channel.a divnt naa. You know what they say about this social media thing .If people are hating its probably Because of jealousy.your deein' good work marra.

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Ant. It turns out that my assessment on Amanda Staveley being forced out was more or less spot on. Plus everything that’s being discussed recently about the discontentment behind the scenes, being forced to sell Elliott Anderson, Eddie Howe being frustrated and his link with the England job are other matters I raised concerns about before anyone else. The problem with many other channels is that they don’t do any research. They just repeat headlines from other media outlets and pander to the populist view. This in the long term is a poor journalistic strategy. It’s lazy journalism. It’s also why my channel is the fastest growing local channel with the biggest views. Most Viewers want authenticity and an attempt to get to the bottom of things and channels like you mention, are of no concern to me. Plus they wouldn’t dare say anything to me directly. They’re afraid.

[@Baron_von_Fargone]

​@@TynesideLifeoh I totally agree mate . I pointed out that you never talk shit and also that you aren't solely a NUFC channel. You cover all things Northern. (You might notice some strange messages from me from time to time. My phone hijacks messages I've written on other videos and reposts them .I've just deleted a few messages from this comment section from an argument I had with an abusive bully on another channel,days ago 🤷really weird , sometimes it can be funny ) Anyway though,cheers man 🤝 keep it up

[@TynesideLife]

@@Baron_von_Fargone cheers bud

[@krisdeltoro]

Charles Dickens edited a periodical called “All year round” and in the 16th December 1893 edition you can find this quote… The ‘Geordies’ of the coal-brigs sailing out of the Tyne and Wear used to be accounted among the nimblest and boldest seamen afloat.

[@TynesideLife]

This is great thank you 🙏

[@mariecurly2420]

Geordie s and Scottish got lot in common. Eddie both heed strong love Scottish people down to earth like Geordie s

[@marioncharleston]

Agree.1would be heed the other would be heid though.i think.

[@mariandavis7953]

Geordies - the Scots that got their heeds kicked in. Newcastle was, at least once perhaps twice, part of Scotland

[@TynesideLife]

Haha! Well, technically, during the Scottish army’s occupation of Newcastle (twice) during the civil war of the 1640’s, we hadn’t become Scotland. We were still England. The boundaries hadn’t changed

[@andyallan2909]

@@TynesideLife Actually the whole of the Lake District / Cumbria was once part of Scotland (look it up) but I'm unsure where the border lay on the East side of mainland Britain.

[@Frank788]

@@mariandavis7953 definitely never been part of Scotland.

[@davidhenley7985]

We are Geordies , we support Newcastle, why dies not matter. We are who we are.

[@hey12542]

I went to Edinburgh once for a visit and I was getting a coffee in a coffee shop minding my own business talking to my English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 friend when an angry Scottish 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 man told me to 'P*** off back south of the border' when he heard my English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 accent. He also said 'English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 people shouldn't be allowed in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿'. Me and my English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 friend who I was going to Edinburgh castle with burst out laughing and I told him to have a good day, he clearly had his nationalist issues. Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 has some nice country but the people are like everywhere else, you get good and bad. The silver lining is if/when they get independence there can finally be a hard border with passport checks ✅ going in either direction and limited visa free stays rather than full free movement across the island. That way we can stop the anti English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ones coming into England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿. It's a shame cause I'm yet to meet another English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 person who dislikes the Scots 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿, everyone I know speaks highly of them and they enjoy going there 🤔.

[@jswmonkey197]

Having once walked into a pub Sheffield with a friend on hearing our accent Scottish one of the locals asked the barman 'You're not going to serve those Scotch b*****ds are you?', that, and with having spent several years at school in Surrey in my younger days I can assure that kind of petty-mindedness exists on both sides whether you've personally come across it or not. Sorry to hear of your experience in my town though.

[@WilliamBurns-q8r]

You, and our English cousins, are welcome to visit Scotland (Edinburgh) anytime, But you will meet some Bam-pots, like what you encountered, just like us when we go down south, so "HASTE YE BACK"

[@andrewbarrette3877]

99% of Scots have no problems with English or any nationality for that matter. There are many English who dislike the Scots many of them are in Government in Westminster……

[@elwolf8536]

They have 0 shame about it ither, you can never have a drink or conversation with one without them eventually digging up somthing up from the pas. I won't look sideways or speak to them eny more keep them at arms length... I mean that once a jock tried headbutting me after normal conversation but his scotish face met my English elbow 😅 💪

[@wakeysnides5472]

Toon toon

[@RobertLonsdale-ow9bj]

Interesting..But sorry i definitely dont agree with your analysis..I,ll go with The Scottish uprising at the time of King George..Where men from Northumberland where recruited to repel the Scots..Hense Georges men became known as Geordies

[@TynesideLife]

I’m sorry Robert, but historically that never happened. Newcastle took no part in repelling the 1715 Jacobite uprising and as I mention in the video, this wasn’t an England v Scotland thing. In fact, it was the Jacobite men of Northumberland (led by a Northumbrian), with some highlanders, who came south on their way to Liverpool to meet up with other Jacobite sympathisers. There was no confrontation with Newcastle. They were unfortunately met in battle at Preston by royalist soldiers from Wigan. They took heavy casualties and headed back. There was no confrontation in 1745 either as the Jacobites headed to the West Coast and down to Derby. Newcastle were no more ‘George’s Men’ than the Scottish lowlanders who supported the German King George I, or the rest of the armies in England who faced the Jacobites in battle. That’s not my analysis, you’ve been misinformed of the facts, or perhaps getting mixed up with the civil war in the 1640’s under Charles I?

[@garymacdonald7165]

"Wee Geordy" is a common expression for a kid called George in Scotland!

[@jonathanauty4861]

Itd the popular anti-Hanoverian song "Cam Ye O'er Frae France?",[ which calls the first Hanoverian king "Geordie Whelps