Early History of Phrygia and the Phrygians (King Midas of Phrygia)

[@davewilson1591]

Buddy I watch your videos all the time... I was trying to figure out how someone could know so much about near eastern civilizations and then I read you're actually a history professor! Thanks and keep up the good work.

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha, thanks but no I'm not a history professor, I just study and read about this stuff a lot and took some university courses. Thanks for stopping by, glad you enjoy the content and thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it!

[@celestialweaver8460]

@@HistorywithCy could have fooled me ^_^

[@davewilson1591]

@@HistorywithCy Well you're one of the best on KZbin at what you do.. I like your diction and pronunciation. Apparently I have been pronouncing certain words incorrectly. Thanks again.. Do you read cuneiform? just a question

[@HistorywithCy]

@@celestialweaver8460 haha thanks!

[@HistorywithCy]

@@davewilson1591 Thanks so much for the kind words...yeah pronunciation is tough sometimes... I try to do my best by finding how other people (usually if there's a professor or scholar giving a lecture online) and then try to imitate them as much as possible, but that doesn't always satisfy everyone as sometimes keyboard warriors will point out that my pronunciation of certain Greek and Latin words and names is "too Anglicized," which I understand. All we can do is our best... I've dabbled with learning some basics of cuneiform and now I can recognize certain characters and names in Akkadian, but I wouldn't say that I can read it. For example, I can identify and may known the meanings of certain words in ancient Greek just because I'm seen them a lot, but put it in a sentence and I won't be able to tell you the context of how it's being used. Haha Latin though is much easier as I know Portuguese and Spanish, which helps a great deal! Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it... more to come, stay tuned!

[@mh3535]

The meaning of Alexander and the Gordian knot is that to rule Asia you have to use the sword instead of trying to disentangle all of the political intricacies of tribal allegiance.

[@HistorywithCy]

Oh that's interesting, never thought of it like that. I suppose that's true...rarely were such things in the ancient world resolved without the sword. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it!

[@LuisAldamiz]

My take is that in order to solve overly complicated problems, you have to simplify them in terms radical.

[@keithharper32]

I'd say history has shown that isn't an effective method either.

[@piperar2014]

Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

[@nonames9935]

@@HistorywithCy Also sabazios is more likely to be Dionysus (Dionysus was from Thrace, both had something to do with wine, mysteries of sabazion were the same as of dionsysus and orpheic mysteries)

[@JamesCateyes]

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[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks man, really appreciate the kind words and glad you found the channel. More to come for sure, stay tuned and safe!

[@budscroggins2632]

Alexander's creative solution to the gordion knott was probably The model for Capt. Kirk's success with the No-Win Kobyashi Maru scenario.

[@rathersane]

Obviously Captain Kirk was a time traveler!!!

[@_robustus_]

Brigadier X PIRA I like the way you think sir.

[@MF-sk8ww]

Yea, if you can't use your mind to solve the problem logically, cheat and destroy the question.

[@scienceexplains302]

When the Greeks named Asia, they were referring to what we now call Asia Minor. They didn’t know then about the extent of what we now call Asia

[@LuisAldamiz]

Not fully false but not fully true either. Greeks knew that Asia extended further but had preference for using it to refer to Asia Minor (Near Asia for them). The name Asia seems to derive from Alasya (now Cyprus) and, if so, it would originally mean all the lands around Cyprus. Alternatively some suggest it derives from Arzawa, an old name for Western Asia Minor, in which case you'd be closer to being correct. When the Greeks finally write a systematic description of continents (Herodotus), Asia was everything between the Volga River, the Caucasus Mountains and the Nile River (presumably its easternmost Delta branch) and the relevant seas surrounding those lands, i.e. a concept very similar to what we now call Asia. West of the Nile was Libya, which we now call Africa or North Africa and of course their part of the world was called Europa (Europe), which I suspect might mean "land of good rivers" (eu-roos-pa), and again it referred to what we now call Europe, except for a lesser correction in the part of Russia and Kazakhstan made by some Tsar later on. It is Herodotus also when referring to the alleged origin of the Etruscans in Asia Minor, uses the word "Lydia" rather than "Asia". But this may also be because he attributes that claim to Lydian sources.

[@kaloarepo288]

@@LuisAldamiz Another theory is that the name "Asia" comes from the tribe of the Esiones who were located in the country called Lydia -in today's south central Turkey.

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@kaloarepo288 - Never heard of them.

[@scienceexplains302]

Paul Jeffries Yes, at some point. That has nothing to do with what “Asia” meant. Meanings of words change. The extent of what we now call Asia would include Korea, Kamchatka, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Japan, and I doubt ancient Greeks knew about all of them

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@pauljeffries1129 - Nonnus was a Roman citizen of the Late Empire (ethnically Greco-Egyptian or Hellenized Egyptian). At that time Rome had been for centuries trading with India precisely via Egypt and, then of course India had been partly conquered by Alexander some 700 years earlier. Of course he must have known of India! In any case India is repeatedly mentioned in the Dionysiaca...

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

The Phrygian language, which died out in the 6th century AD, belonged to the Indo-European group of languages. It was closely related to Greek, as can be seen from 80 ancient Phrygian inscriptions (7th-4th centuries BC), written in a script rather like Greek and over 110 neo-Phrygian writings in Greek from Roman times.

[@sak594]

Puro greco lingua 100%,no Indo-European

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@sak594 Yes, the Greek Language has a layer of words that are not Indo-Euro as well, but it has enough Indo-Euro words & roots for it to be considered such. That is undeniable by all Linguists & Philologists across the board..👍🏻 Now, the origins of this Indo-Euro commonality is a different discussion 😃

[@ErenDenizMert]

Yes they got hellenized

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@ErenDenizMert No, their Language is grouped by linguists as HELLENIC. They are part of the Greater Greek World & Sprachbund. turks are related to mongols & kazakhs. You will never be Phrygian or anything else that is Greco-Roman ahmed! 🤡🦃🤡

[@andycockrum1212]

Recently found this channel, I’ve found all the videos I’ve seen so far to be incredible! Keep up the good work

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for stopping by and glad that you're here! More to videos to come, stay tuned and safe!

[@EmpiresRediscovered]

Knew this one was coming after the Luwians and Lycians... Phrygia, the land of King Midas. Thanks for another phenomenal video!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, appreciate it! I guess you can probably guess what's coming soon.... LYDIA! Hope all is well on your end, thanks again and stay safe!

[@EmpiresRediscovered]

@@HistorywithCy I'm doing fine, thanks so much for asking! Really excited for the next Anatolian history vid!

[@HistorywithCy]

@@EmpiresRediscovered Looking forward to putting it out!

[@MemoryPallace]

Honestly beautiful editing! I can tell you love what you do and that’s worth more than gold. I love history.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Phrygian ethno-linguistic homogeneity is debatable. Ancient Greek authors used "Phrygian" as an umbrella term to describe a vast ethno-cultural complex located mainly in the central areas of Anatolia rather than a name of a single "tribe" or "people".[4] Plato observed that some Phrygian words resembled Greek ones. These features betray very close prehistoric ties between the two languages, Phrygian and Greek, as well as the fact that they belong, no doubt, to the same dialectal subgroup of early Indo-European (Greco-Phrygian)

[@kaloarepo288]

Those that know their music theory would know that one of the modes of ancient music was the "Phrygian mode" which referred to more warlike sounds while the Lydian mode was associated with less military matters like having fun at parties etc.

[@Golshanim]

Very comprehensive as always. I have read that many of the Greek gods have Phrygian roots.

[@HistorywithCy]

Yeah I've read similar things too... Cybele being one goddess that was widely worshiped by both. Hope that all is well on your side of the pond!

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Well the OG Phrygian Language was a Hellenic Branch. Linguistically from what we know, they were the closest to Hellenic way before being completely Hellenized 👍

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

The odds are that Midas titulature in inscription M-01a, “Midai lawagtaei wanaktei” - ' Midas leader (of the people) and king', where appear two functions that are also found in the Mycenaean Greek documents (lawagetas and wanax), does not correspond to Greek borrowings, but rather reflects the existence of a common heritage.

[@armychowmein8021]

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[@HistorywithCy]

Love the enthusiasm, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it!

[@aliuyar6365]

It is summary of phrygian history. There is a little bit more of what you have sad. Pteria is being excavated now. Hopefully we will hear more on phrygians beyond Hallys. You do a great job by shedding light and interests on times after the late bronze age collapse in anatolia. Much love from Phrygia.

[@zemelosv4941]

Indeed, the ongoing excavations at Kerkenes Dag are very thrilling mainly due to the unusually large size of the settlement and its short occupation time. The site also appears to be abundant with Phrygian inscriptions which is quite exciting given the current small number of the Phrygian corpus.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Some more info on the Phrygians: The odds are that Midas titulature in inscription M-01a, “Midai lawagtaei wanaktei” - ' Midas leader (of the people) and king', where appear two functions that are also found in the Mycenaean Greek documents (lawagetas and wanax), does not correspond to Greek borrowings, but rather reflects the existence of a common heritage. They are a Hellenic Sub-branch according to many Linguists. Greco-Phrygian

[@wanderingRebel69]

You deserve many more subscribers for telling the history of the near east alot of people think we are just idiot's with bombs but you know our history

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, and I totally understand what you mean... so much of this region's glorious history is shrouded by the current media headlines...hopefully this gives people another view. Thanks so much for stopping by, I really appreciate it... stay safe!

[@sawanlingden9292]

Very well explained! Great video

[@KMac329]

Maybe this could be part of a series on the civilizations the musical modes are named after: Phrygia, Lydia, Ionia . . . haha! Just kidding. Love your videos, Cy! I visited Tel Maresha in Israel several times and felt like I once lived there in the 3rd century BCE. It felt like home to me. Maybe you could do presentations of various parts of the Hellenistic world, Hellenistic Egypt, Hellenistic Palestine, etc. Just an idea.

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha that would be fun actually... can play the modes and then also talk about the kingdoms with the same name - history and music, two of my favorite things. I've seen photos of Tel Maresha and would love to go, haha though there are about 20 other places that are also on my list for things to see in Israel. I do like your idea about Hellenism in various parts of the world. I have something coming up in a few months with regard to Hellenism further east (Hellenism in Central Asia, the Greco-Bactrian kingdom etc.) but I think Hellenism in the eastern parts of the Mediterranean would be perhaps more interesting for viewers. I'll definitely look into doing a separate video or two on that as I get into the region post-Alexander. Thanks again for your comments, I (and I'm sure others) always benefit from your insight into these things. Hope all is well on your end, stay safe!

[@lukacvitkovic8550]

What I love so much about myths from these ancient times is how they are constructed to explain a natural phenomenon. Beautiful stuff P.S. All fear Cimmerian nukes! Would be amazing if you could do an episode on them, just saying :)

[@faryafaraji]

Thanks alot for this one-I always assumed Phrygians were simply a Greek colony, but them being Hellenized gradually makes them a lot more interesting in my eye. I always am fascinated by these ancient cultures that are extinct and that we know little about-the original Phrygian culture, the Iberians, the Etruscans, etc. Fun fact: the Ancient Greeks called one of their musical modes the Phrygian mode; they deemed it adventurous and exotic, and so called it after this city in Asia Minor, at the gates of the "rest of the world" and the unkown. I suppose the persistence of this distinct cultural identity played a hand in calling this "adventurous and exotic" scale Phrygian.

[@faryafaraji]

Also I'm wondering, are there any resources that delve more into the pre-Hellenic culture of the Phrygians? I'd love to learn more about it and their language!

[@HistorywithCy]

Yup, I remember seeing the Phrygian mode in a guitar scale book that I once had. At the time, didn't know that it had any relation to the historical Phrygians since I had never heard of them as a teen when I was learning to play the guitar. Interesting stuff!

[@HistorywithCy]

pre-Hellenic culture of the Phrygians is hard to find. Basically, they are referenced to in ancient Assyrian texts, but other than that, I can't think of any other references to them other than in Archaic and Classical Greek sources and myths. All I really know is that their language is an Indo-European one that probably descended from a mix of mostly Luwian with some Hattic and Hittite, but this is hard to definitely prove because their are very few Phrygian inscriptions that have been uncovered and most are quite repetitive (mostly found on funerary objects) that contain little new vocabulary. If I find more on this, I'll let you know. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe!

[@faryafaraji]

History with Cy That's a shame! Many cultures get left behind in the dust of time, unfortunately.

[@ThePoeticPariah]

@@HistorywithCy If their roots are from the Balkans, perhaps their original language was somewhat akin to the Illyrians or Thracians?

[@raminsadeghi7358]

Excellent as usual. I know I am pushing it. However what about the last Eilamite episode? Keep the good work. Proud of you

[@HistorywithCy]

Yes, now I have to do it so that you stop! Haha just kidding... it may come out sooner than you think! Thanks again for stopping by, hope that all is well on your end!

[@zemelosv4941]

Thanks for this great video! I've been waiting for a video that covers the Phrygians for quite some time. I do wanna say however that the destruction level at Gordion ca. 800 BCE is no longer associated with the Cimmerians. Instead, the widely held view by academics today is that it was likely an accidental fire that went out of control which explains why no human victims (I say human because sadly there were animal victims lol) found associated with this level of destruction. It is worth noting that the citadel was almost immediately rebuilt to be even more monumental than it was before which does seem to suggest that Phrygia, or its capital Gordion at least, was at its height around the time of the destruction. That does go against the accounts of ancient historians such as Strabo and Eusebius but they weren't contemporaries anyway, so it's highly likely that their accounts weren't historically accurate (which wouldn't be a first).

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks so much for stopping by. Yeah there are a couple of hypotheses that have surfaced relatively recently with regard to this. Pete Kelly on his channel put out a video a couple of months related to this as well...about a luwian stele of some previously unknown king who claims to have defeated Midas of Phrygia. Someone also sent me the article which I read... maybe I'll do a follow up to this video with all this more recent info. Anyway, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it. More to come, stay safe!

[@MF-sk8ww]

The Cimmerians were responsible for the fire. There were human victims. It is easy to re-write history once the truth is further behind. How could anyone trace the source of a fire that happened more than 2,000 years ago on a spot where new construction has taken place?

[@gw7120]

Men and Gods a book about Greek Literature had fantastic stories and i think many people know the story of King Midas

[@HistorywithCy]

Yeah it's a famous one...I remember learning about it in elementary school. Classic stuff! Thanks for stopping by, appreciate it!

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

The Ancient Greeks had already noticed since Antiquity that from all languages, Phrygian shares most of its features with Greek, which is regarded its closest relative.

[@dariaimpera957]

Love your podcasts!

[@biljanamilanovic1682]

Fantastico, come sempre! Tanti COMPLIMENTI!

[@HistorywithCy]

Grazie! Great to hear from you, hope all is well in Italy! Stay safe!

[@biljanamilanovic1682]

@@HistorywithCy Grazie tante! In Italia la situazione e' catastrofa! Parlo di Roma, Venezia e tutta Italia. I turisti non ci sono piu', negozi e ristoranti sono vuoti, la gente non riceve gli stipendi lavorando o non lavorando, tante perssone sono rimaste senta lavoro e tante diventate poverissime. In Italia gia' c' era tanta poverta' anche prima di questo virus. Sabato passato la gente e' uscita a Roma per peotestare contro le mascherine e contro terrorismo sanitario. Io sono stata in Germania a Francoforte dove vive mio fratello e li ho lavorato 2 mesi e una settimana. Questo era mio primomlavoro in Germania. Adesso sto tornando a Roma e poi cerchero' di nuovo di provare in Germania dove la situazione e' solo un pocchino meglio che in Italia dove e' disastro totale per quanto riguarda laviro e la situazione economica. Io ti ammiro che anche in wueste condizioni riesci di fare i filmini meravigliosi e educativi, cosi' possiamo per un attimo dimenticare realta e viaggiare con la tua macchina del tempo. Ti ringrazio, sei GRANDE!!! Appena ho piu' tempo, devo vedere tutti i tuoi nuovi video meravigliosi con i qualli fai le mie giornate piu' belle! Tanti auguri, Con grande affetto, sei mio professore della storia antica FAVORITO!!!

[@anasevi9456]

excellent and once again thank you for your devotion to history!

[@HistorywithCy]

No, thank YOU for your curiosity, makes putting these videos out worth it! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@YoreHistory]

Nice, love me some Phrygia! Love the topics you select Cy, another great video.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks my friend, appreciate it! Hope all is well on your end!

[@YoreHistory]

@@HistorywithCy It is...although new place has a lot of background noise so hoping a dynamic mic assists as my condenser is a nightmare with it all :)

[@HistorywithCy]

@@YoreHistory yeah I have a condenser mic too... a Blue Yeti. I just keep the setting on the podcast mode, that helps a bit but you're right, it still picks up background noise like kids playing outside my window which I can't avoid. Next place I move to I'll have to make sure the outside noise is at a minimum!

[@YoreHistory]

@@HistorywithCy Agreed same...ill let you know how i make out with the Dynamic mic..i hear most podcasters use a dynamic rather than condenser so keep you posted how it compares to my Blue Yeti.

[@HistorywithCy]

@@YoreHistory sounds good, thanks man, appreciate it!

[@celestialweaver8460]

I love your videos so much!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks so much, appreciate the kind words...more to come soon!

[@gabirican4813]

Nice, informative documentaries, many thanks.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, appreciate the kind words...thanks for stopping by, more to come, stay safe!

[@gabirican4813]

@@HistorywithCy You are welcome, thank you, you too!

[@jimmysanchez7087]

Once again, another great episode !

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks for the kind words, appreciate them! More to come, especially with regard to this part of the world...stay safe!

[@murthe-wise535]

Keep up the good work man, love your videos from Ethiopia

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks my friend, hope all is well over there. I'm looking to do some more history on Ethiopia and the surrounding regions. Take care, stay safe!

[@murthe-wise535]

@@HistorywithCy I'm waiting for it. Wow you are an amazing person, really. Please include these: - Ethiopia was the forth most super power nation next to Rome, Persia and china - Ethiopia was the first nation that accepted islam and companions - Ethiopia used to control Arabian peninsula(Yemen and south eastern parts of Saudi Arabia) - Ethiopia is the only nation that has never been colonized by colonizers and so on.... I can't wait to watch it 😊 by the way, I admire your voice and narration 👌

[@HistorywithCy]

Will keep these in mind as I put something together on Ethiopia. Thanks for the guidance, really appreciate it!

[@Sarke2]

Another great episode, glad this time you put something onf Phrygians, they were mysterious people for sure, i think they were connected to Thracians for sure, just a story about King MIdas and his gold, Thracians were known for their gold treasures. Do you think maybe the Phrygians invasions led to dissolusion of Hitittes, because they made their settlements really close to the region where Hittites emerged

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! Yes, I do think that's a strong possibility... I think that they may have been one of the peoples who were part of the Arzawa confederation that simply took advantage of the situation to extend their influence to the detriment of the Hittites. Either that or they were subjects of the Hittites who were just able to wither the storm better than most. Someone in the comments made a really good point that since the Phrygians are mentioned as part of the Trojan alliance and that since the Trojan War took place around 1200 BC, they must have already been firmly established in the region at the time. I definitely want to reexamine this topic and go further. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@Evagelopoulos862]

The Phrygian language (/ˈfrɪdʒiən/) was the Indo-European language of the Phrygians, spoken in Anatolia , during classical antiquity (c. 8th century BC to 5th century AD). Phrygian ethno-linguistic homogeneity is debatable. Ancient Greek authors used "Phrygian" as an umbrella term to describe a vast ethno-cultural complex located mainly in the central areas of Anatolia rather than a name of a single "tribe" or "people". Plato observed that some Phrygian words resembled Greek ones. Because of the fragmentary evidence of Phrygian, its exact position within the Indo-European language family is uncertain. Phrygian shares important features with Greek and Armenian. Evidence of a Thraco-Armenian separation from Phrygian and other Paleo-Balkan languages at an early stage, Phrygian's classification as a centum language, and the high frequency of phonetic, morphological, and lexical isoglosses shared with Greek, have led to a current consensus which regards Greek as the closest relative of Phrygian

[@Jordan-xm6wo]

I thought King Midas was Lydian, but thank you for clarifying

[@HistorywithCy]

No worries, there are so many kingdoms in this part of the world that it's easy to get confused. There is a famous king of Lydia that you may have been thinking of, Croesus. There's that famous saying, "rich as Croesus" because he was known during his time for his great wealth. He's a pretty prominent character in Herodotus' Histories with many cautionary tales about him, just like Midas. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@LuisAldamiz]

The famous Lydian king was Croesus, who was also very famous for his wealth and may have been the one to first issue coins on planet Earth.

[@jochum334]

@@LuisAldamiz Donald Duck taught me that :)

[@jimbob8925]

Could you were make a music theory pun ?

[@stevoplex]

Alexander's "shortcut" of the Gordian Knot resulted in his domination of Asia to be cut short.

[@BlueShiftna]

Love to our brothers from a fellow Thracian!

[@fdadachanji4635]

Interesting story of Midas, great video

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, appreciate the kind words and glad you liked it! More to come, stay safe!

[@cheryldeboissiere7824]

I did my own video, Blood Cults of Phrygia. Paul of Tarsus was from Tarsus in Cicilia, formerly part of the Phrygian Empire. Greco-Romanized Mithraism dates back to the 16th Century BCE. The region was once part of the Akkadian Empire, if you go back far enough. They had silver mines there. Jewish worshippers of Ba’al, by adopting Mithras, were able to maintain their child sacrificing customs. It’s why there are phylacteries in Greco-Romanized religion. The first time Greco-Romanized Mithraism crossed into Latinum was during the Second Punic War and it became a religion throughout the Roman Empire in 2nd-1st Century BCE.

[@ofallmyintention9496]

Who dislikes these videos? Seriously.....

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha well from past experience I'd say usually alien hunters and ultra-nationalists. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@thrax1920]

Theres a small slavic state above Greece who named themselves Macedonians after the fall of Yugoslavia. Probably they get angry when they hear Alexander Hellenized Asia ( 7:10 ). While all slavic nations arrived to Europe after 5th century AD , they believe the descend from the ancient greek-hellenic nation of Macedonians.

[@curleddoughnuts6857]

Greeks and Slavs, for saying that original Phrygians were related to Illyrians and Thracians

[@Agras14]

@@curleddoughnuts6857 There were no original and non-original Phrygians, just Phrygians. Furthermore, Phrygians weren't related to Illyrians, that's for sure. Current consensus among linguists is that Phrygian originated from the same pre-proto-language as Greek. I didn't mention Thracians in my first sentence, because there is a leading hypothesis among modern linguists that also consider Thracian to have been part of the same pre-proto-language that Greek and Phrygian originated from, even though it is more fragmentarily attested than the latter two. @HistorywithCy used outdated sources, something i wrote to him more than two years ago. The foremost expert on the topic of the Phrygian language today is Bartomeu Obrador-Cursach. Here is what he wrote in an article of his some years ago: From _On the place of Phrygian among the Indo-European languages_ (2020) by Bartomeu Obrador-Cursach: _To the best of our current knowledge, Phrygian was closely related to Greek. This affirmation is consistent with the vision offered by Neumann (1988: 23), Brixhe (2006) and Ligorio and Lubotsky (2018: 1816) and with many observations given by ancient authors. Both languages share 34 of the 36 features considered in this paper, some of them of great significance: ... The available data suggest that Phrygian and Greek coexisted broadly from pre-historic to historic times, and both belong to a common linguistic area (Brixhe 2006: 39-44). ... With the current state of our knowledge, we can affirm that Phrygian is closely related to Greek. This is not a surprising conclusion: ancient sources and modern scholars agree that Phrygians did not live far from Greece in pre-historic times. Moreover, the last half century of scientific study of Phrygian has approached both languages and developed the hypothesis of a Proto-Greco-Phrygian language, to the detriment to other theories like Phrygio-Armenian or Thraco-Phrygian._ There is so much more to add. Greek not being the closest relative of Phrygian is considered fringe nowadays.

[@Agras14]

@@HistorywithCy Hopefully educated criticism - like the one i posted in the preceding comment - is not considered ultra-nationalist. For the record, i watched your video more than two years ago, and never downvoted it; even though i expressed disagreement.

[@MadKingOfMadaya]

*_While the Phrygians language and the phrygian people might've been more closely related to the peoples of the balcans, the tombs of their kings, midas and gordion show treasures and artistic style more alligned with that of the medes and the persians. Since the Hittites and Mittannis were already an indo-aryan people that inhabited those regions it is not far fetched to say that their kings were of that stock/ethnicity. There are beautiful rhytons and cauldrons with farvahar motif in the tombs, I implore you to look them up. These objects alone I feel give them a direct link to the medes who shared these artistic styles and were close to the languages of the mittanni who ruled over what became Gordion and are geographically as well as chronologically close to eachother._*

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Phrygians are related to Greeks. There is currently archaeological evidence to support such a scenario. Apart from the ancient accounts and archeology, the numerous isoglosses between Greek and Phrygian presuppose a close genetic relationship in prehistoric times (see Brixhe 1994:176-77). The two languages must have been in close contact until the end of the second millennium BC and it seems that the proto-Indo-European ancestors of the Phrygians, Greeks and Armenians entered the Balkans during the early bronze age.

[@octavian_augustus98]

CAN you tell me the name of background music from 2.43

[@husambotros3958]

Great.. nice one

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks my friend, hope all is well on your end!

[@husambotros3958]

@@HistorywithCy all is fine just been busy lately..hope you are well yourself too

[@HistorywithCy]

@@husambotros3958 All good, thank you!

[@Emcee_Squared]

Another amazing video! Always assumed they were Luwian speaking but guess not. Pretty cool they were allied with the Trojans (according to Homer at least). I always wonder how these ancient peoples were able to communicate with one another even though they spoke different languages. Maybe they spoke the "lingua franca" of the time (Aramean or Akkadian?), which would have been easy for the Assyrians but maybe not so for the Indo-European speaking Phrygians when they made their agreements.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, appreciate the kind words! I think in this area they would have mostly spoken Luwian to communicate with each other and Akkadian and later on Aramaic for trading purposes or really international correspondence (for example with Egypt or Babylonia). Sometimes I think it would have been a bit like parts of Europe today where for example, a person might be Italian but they can also get by in French and Spanish due to similarities between the languages. I'm sure that many of these languages had many similarities that allowed the same to happen in Anatolia at the time. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it and thrilled I haven't bored you yet with these videos haha. More to come, stay safe!

[@Emcee_Squared]

History with Cy of course you haven’t bored me, I’ve been going through all your older videos. Its great stuff!

[@HistorywithCy]

Greatly appreciate it, thank you!

[@MF-sk8ww]

Phrygians were on BOTH sides of the Trojan war; which is in part why it took 9 years or so. The war was over taxes on Phrygian goods that were brought to the Troy beaches on Phrygian made and other ships; headed for the Royal Phrygian Road just south of Troy. Phrygians were the people that linked the ancient world; and they lost everything to the people they brought out of primitive stages. Being associated with a vast number of tribes, and being who they where; they had translators readily available for most languages. They were relatives in large part with Luwians, Hittites, Greeks, Egyptians, and most tribes.

[@MalayArcher]

Love this !

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, appreciate it! Love your work too, I've been watching it for a while and K&G and it's amazing. Do you do machinimas for other channels too? I have a couple of ancient history projects where machinimas would really add to it...let me know if interested. Great to meet you here, and thanks for stopping by, stay safe!

[@MalayArcher]

@@HistorywithCy Thank you, I'm glad you love it! Technically, I do machinimas and motion graphic animations with them but, I'm open to everyone especially history channels. Add me on discord (Malay Archer#7664) and we can discuss!

[@HistorywithCy]

Just added you and tried to send a message but says that I can't because we don't share a server...sorry, I'm relatively new to discord!

[@mdstanton1813]

Phrygging hell... sorry couldn't help myself Thanks Cy. Another great vid 😊👌✌

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha thanks my friend, phryggin' awesome of you to stopping by! Hope all is well on your end, stay safe!

[@_robustus_]

Their little smurf hats later became a symbol of rebellion.

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha oh yeah I remember the smurfs...haven't seen that show in ages! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@turxanazimzade3917]

@@HistorywithCy you have good content .can you make video about Manneans which located in south Azerbaijan?

[@_robustus_]

@ That’s how you get liberty.

@@_robustus_ Not always.

[@_robustus_]

@ Almost always and it will only get worse.

[@Blalack77]

I always wonder how things would have gone or what the world would look like if certain things had happened differently.. Like if Alexander the Great died at a ripe old age, if the Library of Alexandria hadn't burned or other libraries monuments around the world hadn't been destroyed, if the Black Death never happened, if the Mongols never left their steppe homeland, if the Roman Empire never split or if the two halves didn't fall or fell much later (or if maybe Charlemagne and Irene had gotten married), if the Rashidun Caliphate had been crushed in its infancy (or any other major kingdoms for that matter), if certain leaders never existed, if battles had gone a different way, if people would have had more advanced or less advanced technology, etc. Those fictional/alternative histories are super fascinating to me and I wish someone would either make a TV or KZbin series on something like this. Really, either a documentary type scenario or a proper historical drama would be cool, if not a docu-drama like "Rise of Empires: Ottoman" which was pretty cool. I'm reading a book called "Clash of Eagles" (I'm not that far yet), but from what I can tell, the Roman Empire never split, survived at least until the 1200's in the book, had successfully subjugated pretty much all of the "barbarian" tribes/regions that had been a thorn in their side (the Britons, Visigoths, even the Vikings...) - Christianity co-exists with Paganism, the Romans end up discovering North America in like 1218 and are fighting the Native Americans as they march across the continent.. Oddly, the Native Americans have "gliders" made from animal hides and the Romans are having a hell of a time with them lol.. That sort of thing is fascinating to me.

[@HistorywithCy]

I've actually thought about doing one for fun on Alexander... what if after Babylon he went on to conquer Arabia as he'd planned, built up a new force and then returned to India or headed west to conquer Rome, thus preventing the Roman Empire from ever forming. Man, how different history would have been... Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it. Stay safe!

[@Blalack77]

@@HistorywithCy Yes. That's one I hadn't even considered. That sounds pretty fascinating. I think you should do it.

[@HistorywithCy]

@@Blalack77 it would definitely be a fun one...I'll look into doing some alt history in the future. Thanks for the idea!

[@MethaneHorizon]

So I've noticed a trend on the past few videos, as they mostly deal with Anatolian civilizations. Does that mean I'm the future a video on Commagene or Galatia are coming up?

[@HistorywithCy]

Yes, relative soon... first though have to put out a bunch of stuff on Achaemenid Persia, Alexander, and then as I get into the Hellenization of the region, those kingdoms will come. Thanks for the suggestions, really appreciate them!

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@HistorywithCy - No Lydia? They coined the very concept of coins... they deserve a video.

[@jordicarnesubiranas3922]

Thanks

[@HistorywithCy]

You're welcome, thanks for watching!

[@calebhowells1116]

What's fascinating to me is that the Midas of Greek mythology is obviously identical to the historical King Midas of the eighth century BCE, yet virtually no one acknowledges what this means for the chronology of the Greek myths, since Midas was said to have lived at about the time of the Trojan War. This supports (along with countless other pieces of evidence) the fact that the Trojan War occurred at the end of the eighth century BCE, not the 12th century BCE.

[@e-deternaldatabase4721]

The language is thracian and peonian. It shares linguistical features with archaic latin too. In balcans they are asociated with aromanians.

[@WorthlessWinner]

I only knew of the Phyrigians due to Iron Maiden yelling about them in their song on Alexander the Great

[@Liquidsback]

Different from the polar people the Fridgians.

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha no, different people...thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it!

[@madderhat5852]

Iskandar the Terrible. It's interesting to see other peoples point of view.

[@dalia_mar]

Thanks for the video. Do you think Phrigians (or Brigi) have something to do with the ancient kingdom of Khorasm

[@cheryldeboissiere7824]

No, thank you, it was a great video! 👍 👍 👍

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, appreciate the kind words!

[@herby9998]

I love you fin I miss you and love you

[@Agras14]

Where do you get your information about the classification of the Phrygian language, seriously mate? Closer to Illyrian or Thracian? That's actually false. Phrygian is closer to Greek, and it's thought of having had a common ancestor with Greek, namely what scholars have described as Graeco-Phrygian. More about the language here, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_language (also look at the "Isoglosses" section to better understand the very close affinity Greek and Phrygian had). Hopefully you read this so future uploads don't include the same mistake. Take care.

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it. Sorry, I don't trust Wikipedia as being a reliable source. If you want to check out my sources, there's a link the video description. All of the information I used comes from there. Thanks.

[@hiddenhist]

cool

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks man!

[@leandrobotelho3702]

Hey Buddy, this soudtrack is incredible! Can you tell where is from?

[@HistorywithCy]

Sure, they're called: Interstate 895 Ancient Discoveries Deer Hunt You can find them on the web site Epicdemic Sound. Any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks for stopping by, appreciate it!

[@leandrobotelho3702]

@@HistorywithCy Thank you very much!

[@HistorywithCy]

No problem, take care!

[@kaloarepo288]

The word "frieze" meaning a decorative feature across the top of abuildingcomes from the word "phrygian"

[@jiyamaria7639]

What does the word ' phrygia ' mean

[@kaloarepo288]

@@jiyamaria7639 The Phrygians were a tribe, probably from the Balkans, who invaded Anatolia(modern Turkey) at the time of the Bronze Age collapse. They displaced the Hittites and other nations in the area. Culturally they were quite similar to the Greeks speaking an Indo-European language and had similar armor and helmets to the Greeks. Midas, the well known king who supposedly had the golden touch, was an early king.

[@JaredUA]

Please create more videos on Scythians and their kurgans in Southern Ukraine, about king Ateus, the story how Persians didn't conquer Scythia. The alliance of King Philip of Macedon and Scythian kings. I really recommen you the lectures of historian Yuri Boltryk on that topic.

[@HistorywithCy]

Scythians coming for sure... don't want to reveal too much but it'll be a good one! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...Scythians and more to come, stay safe!

[@JaredUA]

@@HistorywithCy thank you :)

[@HistorywithCy]

My pleasure!

[@esoterra8050]

Turkey is like Disneyland for Archaeologists.

[@HistorywithCy]

So true! Thanks for watching, appreciate it!

[@MemoryPallace]

Canada and the United States in my opinion are the most interesting. More unknown. I wish more people gave it a try. Not many talk about southern Africa, United States , Australia, and Canada. The native americans are sooo cool in the US. Just read some of the conquistadors that went through America they painted in a different picture.

[@piperar2014]

Phrygian Zeus is all like "Ok wise guy, I see what you did. Alright, you can have Asia. But you won't keep it for long!"

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha yeah, true. Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!

[@bredmond812]

Before I watch, I just gotta say, you had better talk about their caps. LUL

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha no not specifically though I do mention the cap in one of the captions for a figuring. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it!

[@bredmond812]

By the way, here is a recent find relating to the phrygians: phys.org/news/2020-02-archaeologists-lost-city-conquered-kingdom.html

[@bredmond812]

@@HistorywithCy that's ok. I was just kidding

[@HistorywithCy]

@@bredmond812 haha I know...but it is true, the Phrygian cap is/was a very distinctive feature of their dress.

[@Lonestar10443]

@@HistorywithCy Come on dude make a video on nabataeans. I am asking for it so long.

[@magnus3716]

Phrygian hats are cool.

[@HistorywithCy]

Yup, they were the beanies of their day... wait, are those still popular? Haven't seen anyone wear one in a while but that could be because it's summer. Anyway, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@Gerardgeert]

King Midas/Mytha/mitras maybe(to be continued, cause i have not heard you notice the well known cap) 👨🏻‍🎤♠️👍🏼

[@rodolfogonzalez724]

Where could be more information about the Cimmeriams besides Herodotus?

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! They also appear in Assyrian records. Thanks again, stay safe!

[@VerrouSuo]

musicians: “hey, that sounds familiar...”

[@HistorywithCy]

Yup, there are Phrygian scales in music!

[@VerrouSuo]

@History with Cy do they actually have anything to do with Phrygian musical traditions?

[@HistorywithCy]

@@VerrouSuo to be honest I'm not sure... it's possible but I can't confirm or deny. For example you have Dorian and Aeolian scales that I would think have some relation to ancient musical traditions, but it could also have been just been a way to classify them, like how we use Latin for classifying various species (I think it's called binomial nomenclature...should have paid more attention in biology!). Would be an interesting thing to research!

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

3:38 what is this?

[@HistorywithCy]

An example of a Gordian knot... thanks for stopping by, appreciate it!

[@apo.7898]

Phrygian was not particularly close to Illyrian or Thracian, or basically we don't know how close it was because these languages are barely attested. It could have been close to Thracian, for example, but not much more than to Indo-Iranian or even pre-proto-Germanic. It seems to have had some features in common with Greek, Indo-Iranian and Armenian, like, for example, the augment. And some phonlogical changes have parallels in Armenian and / or Germanic. (there is no agreement concerning the details. Personally I believe that the PIE "simple stops", for example had shifted to fricatives like in Germanic.) There are some who speak about "Greco-Phrygian" but E. Hamp, for example, groups it with "NW IE" (Balto-Slavic, Italo-Celtic, Germanic). Concerning the Muskhi, "According to Igor Diakonoff, the Mushki were a Thraco-Phrygian group who carried their Proto-Armenian language from the Balkans across Asia Minor, mixing with Hurrians (and Urartians) and Luwians along the way." That may be close to the truth, though I would phrase it differently. Armenian being essentially the product of a Phrygian language with Anatolian IE elements and a Hurrian and/ or Urartian stratum.

[@thanos5665]

You forgot to say that Phrygians also called according to Herodotus Bryges and they were to north Greece between epirus and Thrace . according to Herodotus the ancient Macedonians called them Bryges and maybe they were Thracian tribe one part of them went to illyria and were illyrized and another one went to Phrygia in Asia minor .In conclusion that the Phrygians according to ancient Greek Herodotus were maybe a Thracian tribe and a part of them were illyrized and another came to Asia minor (Phrygia) Ancient Macedonians called them Bryges and when they passed the Thrace went to Phrygia Bryges were the same people to Phrygians but when they went Phrygia change their language and the historians and archaeologists say that the language o Phrygians were related to Greek language ... Ancient Greek language had one language to related to them the Phrygian in conclusion that archaeologists concludes to Graeco-phrygian Language and they ancestors were proto greek-phrygian

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Hellenic 🇬🇷 Branch according to their Language! :)

[@chelseasorsa5730]

Any chance that Phrygia was called Stygia at some point in time? or was that some other Location? "The Underworld" a Collective term describing the Sunless Lands. the Shadowlands, Stygia, the Far Shores, and the Tempest are geographical locations. The Underworld - comprising of the Shadowlands, the Tempest, Stygia, and the Far Shores - Is the Netherworld inhabited by the dead. The Shadowlands, the Far Shores, and Stygia. Roughly correspond to "Continents" and "Islands." The Tempest, a seething Sea of nightmares. Devides and separates these realms.

[@gregoryhatcher6428]

Love your videos but I must say, you're recording your voice very hot and it can be a bit grating to listen to. Great videos tho, keep it up.

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. Hmm, I do turn the volume up when I record because in the past some have said that I speak too softly. Any advice would be most appreciated as I want to make the viewing/listening experience as pleasant as possible for all of you. Thanks again for the honest feedback, really appreciate it!

[@HistorywithCy]

Ok, so I started playing around with some of the settings on the microphone and I think I have a better, clearer sound now. You'll have to let you know in the next video if you hear a difference. Thanks again for the feedback, really appreciate it!

[@lusin23]

Phrygians are also the ancestors of Armenians. They came to our region 6000 years ago and mixed with the locals and created the first Armenian kingdom Ararat (or in Assyrian language Urartu) 🇦🇲🇦🇲❤️

[@sak594]

No .

[@lusin23]

@@sak594 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ search it!!

[@GulluMert-ew3ks]

No they are from balkans and then got absorbed into anatolia. Their Descendants live in turkey now

[@varg3952]

No ur false man new studies regard greek as its closest language to phrygian and put them in a greaco phrygian family maybe they branched of in the balkans and phyrgians get to anatolia later armenian is now regarded closer to indoiranian and balto slavic meaning this group maybe migrated over the caucasus into armenia..we doesnt know thracian is now classified as closer to armenian too and their both satem maybe thracians protoarmenians dacian(maybe cimmerians too)were their own group and were something between greaco phrygians and indoiranians when they were living in steppes

[@jimmybates8742]

This is all symbolism for idolatry. The ox cart is simply the new idol with which they will worship, and the knot is the divination they'd use to summon the new ruler whom is a demon. Peace and blessings. Great video!

[@kkupsky6321]

i know their scales... on guitar and such

[@marginbuu212]

Entering a city in an oxcart huh? Beats pulling a sword out of a stone I guess.

[@aronia210]

Glorious turks

[@geoffreybslater1146]

There are historians who have stated that the Phrygians and Armenians are either the same or a very closely linked people, both coming from Thrace. Have you researched this?

[@GulluMert-ew3ks]

Its Nonsense

[@juancamilo5283]

U should make a video about the Caucasus lol

[@HistorywithCy]

Yeah, I have plans for some minor kingdoms of the Caucasus....all coming soon! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it. Stay safe!

[@juancamilo5283]

History with Cy great :D

[@zoethegreatfish]

❤

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you!

[@LuisAldamiz]

Pretty cool, I miss any reference to the cult of Cybeles, which would go on to become assimilated into Rome and reach Western Europe. Also I have two lesser issues: (1) I'd say that Phrygian language should be precursor of Armenian (apparently Phrygian colonists under Mede rule, an obscure episode but clearly replacin Urartu and making Armenian Y-DNA more Balcanic or European than usual in the region) and probably related not so much to Illyrian (now Albanian) nor Thracian (extinct) but to Macedonian language instead. This also shows in the names of the peoples, where Mushki is similar to Makedon and Phyrgian to Bryges (a tribe from that same area of Macedonia) and it may help to explain why Armenian and Greek are relatively close to each other in the internal phylogeny of Indoeuropean languages (my take is that both ultimately derive from Vucedol culture). (2) The chronology of Phrygian arrival to Asia Minor strongly suggests than rather than being a migration occupying an empty niche, they were the main force that destroyed the Hittite Empire in the time of the c.1178 "Sea Peoples" wave. They were not sea-based though and that's why we don't hear from them in the Egyptian records, they were the land army of the Sea Peoples instead.

[@HistorywithCy]

Yeah Cybele was actually the most popular deity in Phrygia at the time. As for your two points, I have an Armenian friend that actually told me something similar which is really interesting. The second one, yeah that makes a lot of sense. Hard to definitively prove but I think logistically it makes sense. After all, the Assyrians not too long after would fight against the Mushki which would have occupied Hatti by that time. Interesting stuff for sure...thanks again for stopping by, always great to read and learn from your comments. Stay safe!

[@dtab276]

There is no genealogical nor archaeological evidence of the Phrygians being related of the Armenians

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@dtab276 - Herodotus, who is often right, especially on matters pertaining Asia Minor, his natal homeland, says that Armenians were Phrygian colonists. He also establishes a connection with the Macedonians and says that both groups were originally called Bryges while in Europe, a term very similar to Phrygians (Makedon and Mushki may also be related but that's more debatable). What is clear is that there is no reference to anything similar to Armenians before the Iron Age, and rather advanced the Iron Age in fact. Urartu (pre-Indoeuropean, Hurrite) existed in almost exactly the same area until the early 6th century BCE (conquered by Medians c. 590 BCE) Armenians are first clearly documented c. 520 BCE (Behistun inscription) or maybe the mention by Hecateus of Miletus, which is of c. the same date. What is also clear to me as someone with great interest in population genetics is how Armenians (and to lesser extent other Anatolians) have clear signature of lineages, notably of the R1b haplogroup, rooted in the Balcans (around half of their R1b is like that, what sometimes produces the mirage of Armenians having huge diversity of this haplogroup, but when looked in detail it is clearly made up in a good part of terminal branches of European roots, while the rest is typical West Asian sublineages). It'd be nice to have contrasting Urartean ancient DNA to confirm that these European lineages were brought by Armenian conqueror-settlers (presumably Phrygian/Mushki in the intermediate stage) but, while we wait for that, it seems the most parsimonious explanation. Linguistically, it's also very interesting that Armenian and Greek fall consisntently in the same sub-branch of Indoeuropean. While somewhat diverged talking of Greco-Armenian makes sense. As far as I can tell from the archaeological record Greeks must originate in the Vucedol culture of Pannonia and Western Balcans (now genetically supported to be a very early offshoot of Corded Ware, which is root to all Western Indoeuropean), and specifically in the Mala Gruda peripheral group of Montenegro, arriving to Greece almost certainly by sea rather than by land. On the other hand the culturally similar Macedonians (Bryges if we follow Herodotus) only seem to arrive to the region centuries later by land, and thus I think they derive from a more central group of Vucedol culture (Serbia region probably). In thi sense it is very notable that both Macedonians and Phrygians, even if clearly distinct in language and some cultural aspects, display strong philo-helenism, which is surely result of that common origin and thus having many shared cultural elements in spite of the differences, which are conductive to cooperation (compare with Lydians or Hittites, also Indoeuropean but more distant, with whom the main relation is one of hostility instead, or even with other groups like Thracians or Illyrians, which are also more distant probably in terms of cultural branching: Balcanic Yamna-derived is my best guess, clearly Albanian language, the only survivor of that broad group is more distant and does not cluster with Greco-Armenian at all). So I think there's good reason to follow Herodotus' thread in this case (as there is to follow him re. the origin of Etruscans in Asia Minor).

[@bansheee1]

I am frrom western Turkey. Its strange to know that 3000 years ago these people lived in the exact same place i live now. They catched fish from the same river wandered arond the grasses where we build our ugly concrete blocks:))).. But speaking entirely different langauge

[@MF-sk8ww]

If anyone really wants to know ancient Phrygian history, they need to ask a Phrygian who knows the history, not someone who read a few books written by jealousy driven rivals of the Phrygians, some who poeticized myth with reality to create a Hollywood Disney You tube Facebook like rendition of REAL REALITY. The REAL history of the Phrygians is the most complex family history of all family histories. If not for the Phrygians, there would not be "America," or type o- blood; the universal donator; a blood type that developed from long term mixing of peoples. The Phrygians inhabited Northern Africa from early days of human history, and moved north through what became the Balkans. They were everywhere from Africa, India, Balkans, the Netherlands, spain, Afghanistan etc. They were skilled craftsman--builders, carpenters, stone cutters, rug makers (elaborate deluxe high quality products, still made today). They had the superior "caldron" for refining gold and silver, copper, tin, and mixing the elements. They invented music (tapping tree limbs to tree trunks and finding harmony and rhythm). It was said by some "all the Phrygians want to do is play music and dance." (not true.) Together with Sumerians, Phoenicians, Greeks, and others the Phrygians helped create (led the way) to what became Greek, Latin, and English. There are MANY spellings of the name Phrygi, some do not look like Phrygi in a translation, such as Friya, but ONE thing is certain--the Phrygians clarified the sounds and uses of Ph, f, r, e, i, g, j, and y. (Try and speak English without the sounds and "rules" of use surrounding these "sound vibrations." Primitive misuse of the "sound vibrations" could mean the difference between "I love you" and "I'm going to kill you." ) Of course, this fact will be challenged by people who have based their learning upon accepting what is misstated in books that attempt to explain the same. The Phrygians were exceedingly wealthy in ancient terms, they were widely into commerce, education, Farming, livestock management, training skilled labor forces and soldiers; they invented what became Christianity, it was called Nature Religion. They literally had their hands in everything, they are unknowingly imitated by people all over the planet still today. MOST of the recorded Phrygian history was burned in Gordium; the remnants are loaded with assumptions and faulty conclusions. The "Midas Golden Touch" is more accurately defined in action by the following word image illustration. Suppose you attended the Phrygian Chariot Races and had a moment of inspiration that enabled you to come up with a new chariot design that would revolutionize chariot racing; a lighter weight, streamlined FASTER chariot, stronger chariot. If you took your idea(s) to "Midas with the Golden Touch," odds were REAL good that he could/would turn your idea into GOLD. He owned the stadium where the chariot races took place. Phrygians tamed horses, built chariots and wagons, and gambled on virtually everything. Have an idea for a new jewelry design, a pair of stylish sandals, a new stringed musical instrument, a new tool design------if Midas supported (TOUCHED it) it would turn to GOLD for the inventor. The Phrygians shared everything. Phrygian females married into many tribes. Phrygian males married into many tribes. They were very prolific. They were most generally a source amazement; i.e when they came into a new tribal boundary riding horses, playing musical instruments, dancing, sounding happy and joyous, ecstatic, they were MOST generally widely accepted; the sound of their music was very sexually suggestive (instrumentally). They also built "THE ROYAL PHRYGIAN ROAD that ran from Troy to Rome, it was intended to hook up with the Silk road. WARS stopped that. They were loved by most peoples. However, as we know, in the current mindset (a by-product of Zeus politics) wherever GOOD exists, EVIL is there to butt in and start spreading their masked evil, out of jealousy, or the need to be charge of other people; i.e. destroy everything and take the spoils, set up a slave state with immediate family in charge. The Phrygians laid the foundations for Egypt, Babylon and Rome, and it all backfired in their faces, LARGELY due to ALL the primitive immigrants that flooded the cites with their "cultures" trying to make Phrygian projects accepting of THEIR immigrant traditions, many of which the Phrygians found to be abominations. Sounding a lot like America. Babylon and Rome self-destructed. ONE sign of a failing society; internal struggles by a minority demanding the right to act out behaviors that were previously condemned activities. (sorry, no time to edit.) I am typically very Phrygian busy.

[@HierophanticRose]

It is also possible that the Mushki are one of the ancestors of the Armenians

[@connarcomstock161]

Phrygia - The People who Invented the Phryge, aka, Fridge.

[@curleddoughnuts6857]

Thank you for being honest! Phrygians were closer to Illyrians who later became hellenised.

[@vladislavnikovski2984]

The phrygians аre a thracian tribe called bryges living in Makdonia. They were maybe pushed by the greek colonisers into Anadola like some other tribes like moesians who established Moesia and the vitinians and tinians who established Vitinia

[@maxnetirtimon4121]

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, appreciate it!

[@dejavue3013]

🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you!

[@contatrabalhos5885]

No one reference of the more serious book - the bible. It speak about the Phrygians

[@yaruqadishi8326]

Sabazios is identified with the God Dionysus aka Bacchus.

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for stopping by. Yes, I've heard that sometimes Sabazios is identified with Dionysus in certain cases, but in the case of the Gordian knot tale, the historians Arrian and Justin specifically identify Sabazios with Zeus, which is why the association is used here. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it... more to come, stay safe!

[@yaruqadishi8326]

@@HistorywithCy I'm glad you're not focusing on Egypt because Egypt gets way too much attention I'm glad you did Nubia Mesopotamia Canaan my people the lavont as well as in a totally out of his hide and other people we need to stop focusing on Egypt Egypt has way too much attention

[@e-deternaldatabase4721]

@@HistorywithCy Sabazios -Saba-dzeus literaly in eastern romance languages means knowledge of God. Even today in Romanian and Aromanian god is called Domnezeu/Dumnedzeu ... 'LordGod , LordDiety' . Sabazios in modern time regional religion is Saint George the dragon slayer. There are depictions of this diety among villages of people of romance balcan descent. Thanks for this video we follow you a lot.

[@ehvaandal]

Dionysus zeues and Hades are sometimes the same dude

[@yaruqadishi8326]

@@ehvaandal Zeus and Hades and Dionysus are never the "same" they Different Gods together always.

[@hermescarraro3393]

I am still confused by... Why does Mithra, in the mithraic cult, sometimes wear a phrygian hat? 😕 I get why Cybele's spose, Atti, wore this headress, since Atti and Cybele were the GODS of the Phrygian kingdom. But why Mithra? Why did this hat become so popular in the ancient world? And why did it become a symbol of freedom and so many other things, especialy in Roman times? I feel like the phrygian hat's history is worth a video of its own. (A thing I never thought to say in my life...😐)

[@HistorywithCy]

Oh that would be a really interesting subject. I've actually studied the Roman worship and cult of Mithra (a bit different than in ancient Iran) but don't remember coming across anything with regard to the cap. I'll try to see if I can find something on it because I do have some material that I'm planning to put out on Mithraism in the Roman Empire next year when I get to Roman history. Great suggestion, thanks! Hope all is well on your end as well!

[@hermescarraro3393]

@@HistorywithCy "The Phrygian cap reappears in figures related to the first to fourth century religion Mithraism. This astrology-centric Roman mystery cult (cultus) projected itself with pseudo-Oriental trappings (known as perserie in scholarship) in order to distinguish itself from both traditional Roman religion and from the other mystery cults. In the artwork of the cult (e.g. in the so-called "tauroctony" cult images), the figures of the god Mithras as well as those of his helpers Cautes and Cautopates are routinely depicted with a Phrygian cap." (Wikipedia) oh... So it was all for show... *But why the phrygian hat tho??* 😂 Like. Were the persian clothes not distinguished enough? The Roman logic sometimes is so confusing... They were a very special bunch of guys. Weren't they? 🤷

[@hermescarraro3393]

@@HistorywithCy Yes. The mithraic cult is very fascinating. I personally prefer the Dionysian mysteries and it's many, MANY, variations (...Orphism...) But the Mithraic cult is very cool nonetheless. I'll love to hear you talk about it. The D.Mysteries and the M.cult share certain similarities... Did the mysteric cults like, copy each other often? They all share certain similarities... (This includes paleo-christianity. It was a mysteric cult too after all during it's illegal times in pagan Rome)

[@madhistories7475]

We have to remember that Mithraism was most prominent in the Roman army, and it seems to have diffused westward with Roman soldiers who had campaigned in the east. Mithra was an Iranian deity of contract who was also associated with sun, light/heavenly fires--though the Roman cults took totally different shapes. During the Hellenistic period, a group of the Orontids, the Armeno-Iranian ruling dynasty that was in power in Armenia during the Achaemenid period, moved westward and established the Kingdom of Commagene in southeastern-central Anatolia. There, a well-known relief on Mt. Nemrut depicts Mithra wearing the Phrygian cap. As Roman armies ceaselessly campaigned in Anatolia (where the Mithraic cult was widespread), mainly en route to Armenia (where Mithra was the most important deity in Artaxiad and early Arsacid eras), their adoption of the cult would have accompanied the adoption of its depictions--especially its depictions by groups most closest to Roman boundaries. Roman writers also state that Tiridates, the Parthian prince who would be crowned as King of Armenia in Rome, exposed the Roman elite to this deity. (Mithridates, the name of the famous king of Pontus, means "given by Mithra").

[@LuisAldamiz]

It's a coincidence: the Persians also used a similar cap.

[@dunyalargezgini]

Alexander did it shortly... as his life...

[@TigranMovsisyanTB]

Brother nation of Armenians ❤️