Earning Our Freedom Points™ | Battlestar Galactica 1x3 "Bastille Day" | Group Reaction

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[@hazarozgen6508]

You guys need to understand that Baltar IS a genius. He didn't just bullshit his way into that, he was given enough information ("you need Plutonium") from Head Six to figure out the way to actually do it in less than 2 seconds.

[@Educated2Extinction]

Hey, they're still figuring out that this isn't a comedy, so give 'em time.

[@joshuawells835]

Tom Zareck is played by Richard Hatch, who played Apollo in the original Battlestar Galactica tv series. He's also been a longtime advocate for reviving the series and has written novels for the franchise. He even took out a mortgage on his home to make a trailer for a proposed film, only for Universal to opt for a remake. In short, his inclusion is a treat. Hatch said when playing Zareck that he didn't think of Zareck as a villain. He's the archetype of "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

[@christiancruz7137]

Gaius: I have concepts of a Cylon detector.

[@chaost4544]

🤣

[@acephas3]

That means he’d get elected.

[@jfernandez7098]

@@acephas3he did lmao

[@smeartyke]

@@jfernandez7098 Thats so sad and real....

[@JohnMavroudis]

Lol… well played.

[@mattkevlarlarock5469]

The original Apollo meets the new Apollo. Classic.

[@ErixTheSwift]

Apollo talking to Apollo about what it means to be Apollo never gets old to me. Edit: Ugh, the dialogue in this show is so good. Edit 2: I heard it!

[@cherrypi_b]

Micky, the prisoners know what's up. They are not completely isolated, they jumped like everybody else, and they even conspired with a guard. Who is certainly up to date! Zarek is no dummy.

[@chaost4544]

BSG is different from a lot of post-apocalypse shows in that there's a functioning government structure and the structure has all the elements to make a government still work under the old system that considers legal rights an important part of the political process. Lee's right. When entering service he swore an oath to defend the laws of the United Colonies of Kobol. It was good to see Lee remind his father of the oath he took.

[@thechonus3858]

Adama has made several speeches over fleetwide communications in the miniseries and in previous episodes about what's going on. The prisoners know everything that's been shared across the fleet.

[@Dularr]

But if it's a bus.

[@michaelmanville89]

The acting in this show is top notch pretty much across the board, with a huge variety of character types.

[@joc.4992]

Fun fact: Tom Zarek is played by Richard Hatch, who played Apollo in the original Battlestar Galactica. (Micky should know this) Thank you

[@smeartyke]

maybe you should watch the whole thing instead of the first 5mins. XDD

[@peterkoester7358]

15:50 The Astral Queen was not specifically a prison ship. It was a cargo carrier the Colonial Government contracted to transport the 1500 prisoners to Caprica for parole hearings and outfitted with temporary cells for that purpose, the voyage expected to last a few days - perhaps a couple of weeks at most. It was not intended to carry prisoners in lock-up for potentially months at a time.

[@wolverine3605]

OG Apollo. I had the OG BSG lunch box in elementery school with Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict on the cover.

[@technofilejr3401]

My mom bought me a toy Viper for Christmas.

[@cruelangel8689]

@@technofilejr3401 And I hated they had the toy recall because kids were swallowing/ choking on the missiles.

[@technofilejr3401]

@ I remember that. My mom took the little red missiles from me and let me keep it

[@cruelangel8689]

I still have the stuffed Muffit that barked when you pulled the string.

[@technofilejr3401]

@ Wow

[@trestianb]

Whenever I hear Tie-roll I imagine the Chief wearing a tie made out of a cinnamon roll.

[@sivart54]

Likewise. I crack up everytime I hear it said that way.

[@Cooper_Vision]

Gaius is so funny, watching him lie makes me so happy!

[@tehcoolemu]

That you heard this. Also: that "Somehow, Palpatine returned" bit was gold.

[@mconnaghan]

I didn't hear "this," because you are not the boss of me. I already got my freedom points.

[@HighfalutinRasputin]

Don't know if you guys have noticed this yet, but the actor who plays Gaius Baltar does the voice of Alucard in the Castlevania Neflix shows! Season 2 of Nocturne is a couple months!

[@MrFara0]

Nocturne returns in a few weeks actually👍🏽

[@sonicsean34]

This is what I love about Lee, he has his own principles and believes strongly in them.

[@sonicsean34]

Also, everyone tends to focus on Gaius’s reactions to imaginary Six in those scenes but the best part of those scenes is all the other actors having to pretend Tricia isn’t there in the room with them. Can you imagine all the retakes cos they accidentally look at her or react cos she shouts at Gaius?

[@sonicsean34]

Also, I hear you, Suraj

[@Sephiroth144]

"Dead. Where's yours?" I mean, DAMN; for a kid we barely see, he gets one of the classic lines. The prisoners are aware of the general situation; I mean, noticed they were jumping like every half hour for nearly a week, and pretty sure the guards would be like "Dudes, holy crap..."

[@technofilejr3401]

In some ways this episode is an homage to a classic BSG two parter called “The Gun on Ice Planet Zero”. In this episode, the Cylons have been hemming in the fleet to push them into a particular route in space. Why they are doing this is to force them to pass through a section of space containing a frozen planet. On that planet is a massive galactic communication device that the Cylons have revers engineered into a death ray. A plan is concocted to land a team on the ice planet and destroy it. However, the only people in the fleet who have the skills for arctic guerilla combat, mountain climbing and demolition are a bunch incarcerated mercenaries who are former Colonial military. The episode has a lot of interesting subplots and surprises.

[@johannesbowers7467]

It is also one of the very excellent Classic BSG Novels.

[@jfbreaks5346]

I just have to say, I've been watching you guys since 2018 and I absolutely love all of you. Thank you for all of the laughs and smiles you have brought into my life!

[@RunningTogether]

I heard you. Mission accomplished. 👍

[@heraldreichel1971]

This is a great show. Thank you. I love the way you never miss the major points (IMO). Spidey and Rana are the quieter participants. When they get ready to say something, it's usually at a more subtle point in the story that deserves attention, but doesn't get enough. Could you give us the "what were you going to to say, while we were on a tear" extras?

[@stmcde1701]

Just FYI War College is an actual thing. Its higher education within the military. The academies are essentially undergraduate level, you go to the [insert branch here] War College for post-grad education

[@Gunnar001]

I’m pretty sure the prisoner’s ship is just a lightly equipped transport. It’s basically a prison bus that they were all supposed to be on for only several hours at most as they are transported between locations. The few people watching over them are a handful of guards and the bus driver, and they’ve been doing it for around a week or two by this point. I doubt these guards told the prisoners everything at first, as saying it’s the end of the world and all their families are likely dead would no doubt cause problems, up to a full scale riot. They must know quit a bit though, since Zarek knows that Roslin is now president who’s running the show.

[@fordhouse8b]

Well at least one of the guards was working for Zarek, and with Zarek being a very political creature, he probably made sure he is fully informed. He in turn shaped and relayed whatever information was to his advantage to the other prisoners.

[@LMarti13]

it makes me happy to see Suraj get happy whenever he sees Gaius

[@JullianChavez]

Glad you guys are enjoying this show. Given it was a show on Sci-Fi channel 20+ years ago, it's held up well, and still an incredible journey

[@djwright86]

Yes War College is a real Military Officer school

[@IndustriousVermin]

Boxy walked out that ready room and fell into space

[@ShadowLadyEx]

36:29 I mean it depends on the discussion? this one was nice to follow up.

[@FrankieOver50]

Richard Hatch (the original Apollo) my teenage crush. Met him at Supanova in Australia a few years ago.

[@tescherman3048]

As a gay guy, he was one of my crushes too. :)

[@FrankieOver50]

@@tescherman3048 well.. obviously :)

[@sarahjanefrost]

My first thought when I heard "Bastille Day" was of the French national holiday on July 14th. I've never heard of a band called Bastille Day.

[@corsa180]

The band is just called Bastille.

[@sarahjanefrost]

@ haven’t heard of them, either.

[@ceezyjeffezy2213]

Navi immediately was like I ain’t voting for a sicky

[@ShantalhaitianPrincess]

🤣

[@jonathandonley3299]

I am so happy to watch you guys watch a series I loved from start to finish when it first aired. I look forward to your reactions of the many twists and turns that this series has in it. And I DID hear the end of the video because it's your discussion after the episode I really enjoy.

[@johannesbowers7467]

Gaius letting his Cylon Syphilis goad him into asking for a nuke warhead is scriptwriting GOLD. Head 6 FTW!! Apollo (new) vs Apollo (old) is just the HEAT. And yeah, Zarek is a straight up terrorist, not "freedom fighter". He and Gaius are peas in a pod, pathological self-interest wrapped in a cloak of platitudes and we are HERE for it! SO SAY WE ALL!! 🫡

[@Tremac26]

With some of these view points. This show is going to be rough on them. 😂😂😂

[@RandomNPC001]

@@Tremac26 That episode of next season and the other one from season 4. Those episodes hit hard every time!

[@SGC51]

The prisoners knew what had happened. Everyone knew. And I heard your comment, Suraj. I usually listen to the entire discussion. Those are what really make the reactions.

[@Damiana_Dimock]

It's kinda funny, all of the "it's not the time for that" comments is why you have to take you shoes & belts off at the airport and walk through a full-body scanner that still concerns most of us when it cones to its efficacy and potential health-effects, (enough people accepted the official narrative after 9/11, and now we are stuck with a lot, too much, security theater.) *It's definitely important to always remember that the initial attack in the miniseries is a metaphor for the 9/11 attacks. I keep reminding myself that those attacks were more than 20 years ago, so it is definitely interesting to see y'all, (Normies and other younger reacters,) react to this series. "You can't commit violence and then expect peace," (to paraphrase Mickey,) had me thinking, "smash-cut to literally every revolution in history, (including the French revolution as referenced in the title. Not to mention the USA's rev and the Haitian rev.)" BTW, might be fun to watch y'all play the board game after you finish the series 😏

[@htpark]

Agree 100% about revolutions. Even in “peaceful” transitions of power, the leader can have a past that involved violence. Nelson Mandela, for example.

[@technofilejr3401]

@@htpark Richard Hatch stated that Tom Zarek was based upon Nelson Mandela before he went to prison

[@simongvs]

Probably the best way to solve Mickey's issue with X-Play will be to watch the rest of the show on DVD or Blu-ray.

[@philly_osophy]

Your discussions have been really great in this series, and yes I heard you at the end there, Suraj. 🥳

[@jimbrewer5048]

Great videos. BSG is my favorite series all time and. Baltar is actually my favorite character upon rewatches lol. Hes hilarious and the actor nails it. Same with Tricia helfar. I really enjoy your banter and takes. Keep it up!

[@ray24051]

Yes I did notice you were not there during the last two episodes Navi and I even inquired if had you given up on the show, Glad to see you back.

[@sarahjanefrost]

I heard it, I would always hear it because I check what comes up as recommended at the end of every video I watch (unless I'm in the middle of a playlist).

[@Calzaki]

One of the only failures this show has is they should have had a non-pilot military character... A Marine or something... Who could do these jobs like the rescue attempt. Because even on a ship which is short staffed it makes no sense why a pilot would be put in charge of this stuff other than their a main character

[@technofilejr3401]

Exactly. I'm from a family with members in all of the services. I described the Starbuck/sniper scenario to one of my uncles who was a career NCO in the US Army, he laughed. He said "I would never think to tell a pilot how to fly and they definitely shouldn't try to tell me how to take a hill"

[@KJGould]

BSG likes to write episodes that are analogous with modern issues ( the prison system and hard labour), but I would have liked to have seen a bit of common sense by openly asking survivors in the fleet if they have any mining / ice digging & processing experience!

[@LonestarGA]

I heard this. Also wondering when that particular DD S3 solo watch is happening 😊

[@matthewmckinnon-gray9957]

The Prisoners probably wouldn’t have made any trouble if they’d been offered a waffle party.

[@ShortyLongstrokin]

Yes, we all heard your voice after the discussion, Suraj.

[@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra]

28:01 - 28:29 This is a spot-on assessment. Zarek CANNOT be trusted. No matter how validly he expresses ideas, or expresses ideas which have validity, he uses that validity (and/or: the appearance of logic) to manipulate and will resort to violence at-the-drop-of-a-hat, if, for any reason, he believes he 'isn't being given a valid amount' of power or control or influence, 'has no other choice' or, rather: what he's seeking/demanding is not occurring a) in the manner he wants b) as rapidly as he wants c) he changes his mind (about any principle, process or idea) for any reason d) he discovers a way to use an alteration of opinion or ideology to acheive, either, greater power, further fealty or a more sweeping change (which, in the end, must lead to: his voice, his opines, his ideas, being the things in control and operation (unless he, once again, alters his thinking or feelings -for any reason(s), whatsoever). He's a zealot. He's volatile. He's unbalanced. He is intelligent. He is capable. He fluctuates. He is ruthless. He is manipulative. He is pitiless. He is overbearing. He is, utterly, never to be trusted or believed, fully.

[@Bekka_Noyb]

♥ BSG!

[@Laurie473]

Welcome to the Show Apollo ! ... er I mean Tom 🤩😎 & welcome to ' Con Air' Normies ! 🤗

[@tackysum]

Yep, I hung around for the discussion. I don't always, but I did for this one simply because I think BSG is a good show and well worth the time to get your thoughts on it.

[@therion108]

I hear you, Suraj ; ) I'm almost always sticking till the end.

[@LuminairPrime]

I HEARD THIS!!! Jamie Bamber still looks like a million bucks today, let's be real everybody.

[@Dethanh]

A secret mission? Say less. But don't *actually* say less; that's why we watch these!

[@poisonedpawn7813]

hilarious that you guys were talking mad shit about being slaves and labour right up until they showed that they were still monsters and violent. They are in prison for a REASON.

[@TimothyCribb]

Of course I heard your secret message. This show is all about discussion. 🔥

[@tescherman3048]

@30:50 Regarding how Jaimie Bamber looks today. BSG was 20 years ago, which can go by in in the blink of an eye. Remember, The Normies are on KZbin. 20 years from now, people will comment similarly about all of you. Be Kind, Always. Just sayin'.

[@jenk4545]

He still looks perfectly fine, he just looks 50. These young 'uns are in for a rude awakening.

[@technofilejr3401]

Having Richard Hatch on this episode reminds me of the difference between his Apollo and Jamie Bamber's Apollo. On the original show, Apollo was his own man but he was also fiercely loyal to his father Commander Adama. OG Apollo was definitely a stand up stoic guy and always ready to lead the a desperate mission against the Cylons if it meant giving the human race a chance. Starbuck being his best friend and wingman would usually be right beside him kicking Cylon butt and delivering one liners. I remember in one episode, Adama and Tigh figured out that the Cylons were laying a trap to wipe out the fleet. So they hatched a counter plan between them to circumvent that trap. But to make the plan work all of the pilots (including Apollo) had to be left out of the loop and go to a big public event. After their plan begins, Tigh pulls Adama aside and asks "Why didn't you tell Apollo what we are doing?". Adama just replies with a smile "If I had told him I wouldn't be able to get him to leave my side." That strong bond between Adama and Apollo is what I missed on this version of BSG. The new show has a lot more juicy drama but it would have been better to see Bill and Lee on the same page more often. FYI, as has been said before Adama was the commander's only name on the original show as none of those characters had surnames. So Apollo's real name was just Apollo. Starbuck was just Starbuck etc.

[@thechonus3858]

At this point I think Rana and Suraj are continuing to say Tyrol's name wrong on purpose just to make Normie viewers crazy. And hey Mickey - it's Commander Adama, not Admiral Adama 😉

[@Wurstbrot03]

Hi, yes I heard you at the end of the video 🙂

[@Geekchorus42]

So awesome to see the late Richard Hatch as Zarek, as previously said, he played the original Apollo in the original Galactica and was one of my childhood heroes

[@petiaivailova2563]

Hey, I just saw that you have reactions to Castlevania - I don't know if anyone else has mentioned it yet, but the actor who plays Gaius voices Alucard :)

[@RandomNPC001]

Helo shot an incendiary round, thus burning the body and scarring the rats! 🤣🤣

[@RandomNPC001]

In Brazil for every 3 days worked (or book read) you get a day off your sentenced.

[@andyrooiam]

Would suck to be illiterate.

[@JordanFromJersey]

Y’all will probably get to this in the discussion, but just in case you don’t: Tom Zarek is played by Richard Hatch, who played Apollo in the OG show.

[@tgiacin435]

Don’t make Six angry, you wouldn’t like her when she’s angry

[@NEO1442]

Yup made it through the discussion. BSG is a worthwhile series that bears discussion.

[@Nebuloid1]

Had every intention of rewatching this over the years, guess I'll finally do it through you guys ! Loved this show.

[@kerry-j4m]

I LOVE this show too,when it first debuted on tv I thought it was the best tv series on at that time. With the-SHIELD-a very close second.

[@RandomNPC001]

@@Nebuloid1 I rewatch it every 2 years since the show ended back 2008

[@duncandavenport7007]

It's not "TIE-rul" it's "TEARuhl".

[@Educated2Extinction]

I'm guessing the details on freedom points were discussed, but it's not really relevant to the episode. Apollo saw thru Zarek almost immediately. He may have started as a legitimate revolutionary, but Zarek is pretty much all about Zarek now. I think Adama and Roslin are so tied up with keeping things going that they lose sight of the larger issues.

[@hazarozgen6508]

I like that Mickey keeps calling COMMANDER Adama ADMIRAL Adama :)

[@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra]

I heard you. Yes. 🤘🤘

[@Calistarius79]

I hear you Suraj, I hear you. :)

[@thatquietsong]

I usually listen to your discussions, so, yep, heard you at the end there.

[@JacopoBasanisi]

Of course "now is not the moment for elections". It's never the right moment. 3 episodes, 3 moral dilemmas. We like Laura because we know her to be caring AND she'll die soon, so we know she's not driven by greed. Imagine somebody else in that position, wouldn't you ask for elections?

[@Illvester42]

You guys aren't ready for this show... I'd say it's arguably very slightly lighter than Last of Us 😄

[@soflyedits322]

LMFAO bastille day, the french day of independence from the monarchy ... zarek is a case of 'one man's terrorist, is another man's patriot...' he used violence against his oppressors and killed innocent civilians in the process. he's from Sagittaron and their home is treated like the belters, he fought back and people got killed...it's an interesting commentary on society. didn't realize how timeles this show is especially watching it in a post covid-trump world ...

[@EumenesOCardia]

It's pronounce like tear-ol, and just call him Chief.

[@JonathanDemelo]

Heard this indeed.

[@Sunakta]

I heard the bit at the very end. Granted, I don't usually watch till video end, but I was distracted by the game I was playing.

[@geneticjen9312]

Rana going to call herself every title except Admiral

[@Illvester42]

Why Rana wearing a shirt with the logo from the 2001 movie Evolution? 😄

[@VanDavis]

I heard you at the end. In fairness though, I only stay through the discussion roughly half the time.

[@michaelsheehan5559]

I made it. I made it past the discussion. But my life is a shambles.

[@Artemis-d2c]

You mean in which theory? If something is "in theory" then there is no obstacle for it to be realized. A theory is a proven hypothesis and consists of proven laws. A law not belonging to a theory is incomplete.

[@peterkoester7358]

36:40 I heard you!

[@firefly24601]

"(Not the guy from Survivor)" LOL!!!

[@BrothaDahrkness]

The guy playing Zarek originally played Lee Adama in the original TV series from the 80s

[@arthurwigglesby8590]

Yes and no. He played Captain Apollo in the OG BSG. His name wasn't Lee, it WAS Apollo. "Lee Adama" as a name was created for this show, as they wanted the OG names like Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer to just be callsigns.

[@BrothaDahrkness]

@arthurwigglesby8590 I stand corrected. Thank you sir.

[@Wizardofgosz]

I love it when this scene happens, and Zarek comes out,, and none of the young reactors know who he is and who he played.

[@carojoso]

Made it to the end!

[@shahrg]

we heard you, so say we all!

[@MsAnna150]

I hear you. Of course I listen to the discussion!

[@LudvikM]

There may be a time when this show is no longer relevant and sounds outdated, but honestly, I think I'll be long gone by then.

[@Laurie473]

Honestly, you guys watchin BSG, is gonna take you over a Mill Subs Pronto..., its the BEST tv EVER made.... period ! - well played

[@Lu4_CWO]

Well... i'll stay on this channel for a while 8)... Like Galactica as nobody does xD.

[@wazcona]

I heard it. Stayed on post discussion

[@alexmckee4683]

Mmm, secret missions are the best thing after a zesty discussion.

[@magdalenaannasapieja7091]

Made it to the very end 🙂