Earthling Ed vs Joe Rogan: Do Vegans Really Kill More Animals?

[@PLANTBASEDNEWS]

Listen to the full episode here - plnt.news/pod120

[@Autistic_AF]

I got my hopes up for a moment thinking that Joe was talking to Ed directly!

[@Deb_BG]

Rogan isn't smart enough or brave enough.

[@evansmith2175]

it’s click bait

[@calheaven]

He wouldn't dare 😂

[@bunaynayslay]

joe is a coward

[@ImTerasHD]

I like Joe, he dares to think outside the box and often educates me on new topics. But man do I get irritated when he speaks on anything relating to animals or diet.. I wish he would dare to invite Ed to an episode of his podcast, my hope is that he would listen to reason. Anyone know how we can add pressure for Joe to invite Ed on his podcast? Would be one heck of an episode. Even if Joe might not change, I'm sure some of his viewers would hear Ed's words.

[@MatschinHandstand]

It would be cool to see Him and Ed debate, but the point is he dont wanna understand arguments. He only uses excuses and opinions in this topic because he dont wanna change in this matter. So it would be the normal shit show of bullshit bingo :( He wanna show the world how though and strong he is, but strong people dont pay for animal abuse when they know the facts.

[@ImTerasHD]

@@MatschinHandstand I think he's just been listening to the wrong people. I was guilty of doing the same. Surround yourself with evil and evil will spread it's roots.

[@MatschinHandstand]

true, that could be it @@ImTerasHD

[@Kristers_K]

It would likely end up similarly to that James Wilkes debate, where veganism won by a large margin with a lot of science, far less papers in Ed's case.. Meaning, Joe would agree with Ed, everything would be dandy, he would ''win'', then a few podcasts later he's with some carnist shitting on veganism again because the guy said something that suits Joe's bias, despite being shown that vegans are right a while back. He keeps shitting on vegans because they go against his views, all the damn time, regardless of how many vegans step in his show. Joe is a comedian, he doesn't take anything seriously which doesn't suit his views.

[@austaneousc5802]

​@@ImTerasHDThe guy is a multi millionaire with all the resources in the world to find good sources for pro vegan arguements. He's ideologically opposed to veganism and finds people to support his views. You give him entirely too much credit - he's wrong about a multitude of things

[@Corilo91]

Ed is always so brilliant! Some people just want to keep harming animals, no matter how irrational their excuses are. :/

[@TheFettuck]

Agreed! People who call themselves "vegan" do use a lot of irrational excuses.

[@BirdmanVeganFuture]

Rogaine can't think deeper than a puddle.l as most. He ignores facts because he goes by feelings or taste as most. They don't want to improve crop farming, don't promote organic to not poison wildlife, but it's another old weak excuse. Also yes meat starves people and takes nearly 10 times more crops. 🌽 🌽 🌽 =🐷 🐄 🐥 =💩 💩 💩

[@itdepnz]

@@TheFettuckYes but vegans murder less animals.

[@antoinepion2543]

It's so funny how anyone can think that meat eaters are all sadists who torture animals for a hobby. Obviously the majority of humans want animals to be treated with love, respect and feed them the best food possible.

[@TheFettuck]

@@antoinepion2543 It is funny how anyone can think that vegans are all animal loving saints for a hobby. Obviously the majority of vegans do still support modern harmful technologies and harmful industries.

[@nenadjuric8824]

Rogan has massive balls, which shrink into oblivion when considering having Ed on his podcast

[@leftyfourguns]

That's just the steroids

[@happycarnivore5481]

As long as the steak keeps coming, nobody cares.

[@EricLewandowski-vn7ky]

Actually since he takes trt, his balls shrunk a long time ago.

[@SilkySkillsUnited]

I can't believe that no one has pointed out to Joe on air that the vast majority of the monocrop agricultural products he's talking about are used for livestock feed. It's such a simple point to make, and yet no one's done it. I wonder why...

[@TheFettuck]

Using statistics/numbers as an argument does show a lack of compassion for the individual lives of animals.

[@SilkySkillsUnited]

@@TheFettuck you have to fight fire with fire unfortunately. If they’re making a statistical argument about the number of animals killed by soy production, you need to provide some sort of contradictory counter argument.

[@leof.]

Where did you get the idea that vast majority of crops are fed to animals? It is only 36% against 64%.

[@kiraunos2269]

@@leof. that's still way too much

[@leof.]

@@kiraunos2269Your friend is telling us that the THE VAST MAJORITY of crops is given to livestock. Is 36% the vast majorrity? 36% is not too much and this data is only about the food crops. Non-food crops like lumber, cotton and rubber are not included. If these are included, the percentage will go much lower than 36%.

[@RainWalking]

Meat eaters eat the same food and they claim they do not kill the same. Makes no sense.

[@TheFettuck]

Why do vegans kill? Makes no sense.

[@TheFettuck]

Vegans continue to eat the same crops even when they know that it kills/harms animals. Makes no sense!

[@happycarnivore5481]

Because different crops, or even simple grass produces yummy cows.

[@RainWalking]

@@happycarnivore5481 With people that you, when they cannot harm or eat another animal you turn to humans instead.

[@TheFettuck]

Vegans eat the same crops and they claim they kill a smaller amount of animals. Makes no sense. How are less animals killed when you eat the same crops?

[@milesclark2966]

Ed needs to be on After skool.

[@writerchik44]

#VeganForLife ❤

[@Spock_Rogers]

Rogan has been eating too much meat.

[@takodanobaba]

He tried those kale smoothies, that Dr. Patrick Rhonda recommended, and it messed up his stomach lol

[@Spock_Rogers]

@@takodanobaba Yes. Many people have digestive issues when they change their eating habits. It should probably be done gradually or after fasting.

[@Kristers_K]

@@takodanobaba The real question is, who in their right minds drinks raw kale smoothies? Literally of all the edible greens, he picks the hardest, most fiberous ones, which are traditionally at least steamed. Joe Rogan is the pinnacle of idiocracy, like so many who try being vegan and fail. This is what happens when people barely have 2 brain cells.

[@takodanobaba]

@@Spock_Rogers Rogan is rich and into fitness. The dudes diet is very likely very good, there's no excuse for this.

[@takodanobaba]

@@Kristers_K What? How long have you been in the Vegan scene? They were all the rage 5 years go lol

[@jayminrohit3165]

Joe Rogan ❌ Mental patient ✔️

[@SohailAhmad-mf1bt]

gau mata lost I love gau mata meat.

[@jayminrohit3165]

@@SohailAhmad-mf1bt the product of halala 😂😂😂

[@jayminrohit3165]

@@SohailAhmad-mf1bt the by product of halala 😂

[@Clarityandwisdom33]

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself i guess right? Please seek therapy. However, i will say Joe Rogan is wrong here but insults is low level behavior

[@shaykespeeer7040]

You'd need to draw pictures in crayon to attempt to get a caveman like Joe Rogan to understand.

[@matthewwilliams3827]

Those meat eating Cavemen drew or painted pictures on walls, better than anything you could ever do I’m sure. Also, they were never of salads.

[@Scorpwind]

@@matthewwilliams3827 I'm not a vegan, but this is a pretty pathetic response. What does what caveman painted on walls got to do with anything? We're not in that agre anymore. Living like that is completely unnecessary.

[@matthewwilliams3827]

@@Scorpwind that’s because the op implies that cavemen are actually stupid as a child when I’d argue they were more intelligent than most adult humans of today. Can you paint as well as them, or renaissance painters without going to an atelier? I doubt it. One has to wonder why we lost that innate gift of painting like that. 😉

[@matthewwilliams3827]

@@Scorpwind so what are you then, vegetarian?

[@Scorpwind]

@@matthewwilliams3827 What's your point? That not everyone can necessarily paint on a stone wall as well as people from 10 000 years ago?

[@thevegandragon4676]

Joe is really looking out of it here!

[@Spock_Rogers]

He is clogged from too much animal fat and protein.

[@fossilfishleg9188]

His one brain cell is trying to split in two.

[@lorah3005]

👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!

[@TheFettuck]

Veganism does indeed still have a lot of victims.

[@v-sig2389]

​@@TheFettuckyes, people who ragetroll when presented with facts that destroy their arguments 😂

[@TheFettuck]

@@v-sig2389 You're very ignorant when you belief that vegans aren't supporting any harmful industries.

[@Kimvfta]

​@@TheFettuckbreathing is harmful too❗❗❗😱😱😱

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@TheFettuck Do you know the definition of veganism?

[@Motherdharma]

You have outdone yourself Ed finally someone challenged TestostorJoe

[@NeilL269]

I want joe rogan to have another vegan on to debate one of his carnivore buddies. It went so well for him last time with James Wilks 😅

[@veganandlovingit]

the way Joe Rogan says discriminating between large and small creatures would be weird. What weirder than discriminating between pigs and dogs I suppose, farm animals and pets?

[@martinkevin4827]

Great speech as always Ed

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Carnism and dishonesty are synonymous.

[@henryjgray]

This old story that vegans crops are responsible for the death of millions of birds, insects, small mammals during harvest time! The report that they refer to is indeed incorrect, these animals and birds are very sensitive to disturbance and will naturally flee when harvest begins, birds chicks have normally flown the nests by the time crops are harvested. The biggest threat to these animals, birds and insects are the pesticides and loss of habitat. No doubt some animals and birds perish but why is this a vegan issue. Less than 2% of the worlds population are vegan, they are not eating all the crops, more crops are grown for animals feed than humans so even if you claim (Jordan Peterson) only to eat beef, salt and drink water you would still be responsible for more death than the vegan community. Lazy and very biased from Joe, pathetic really that he should use his platform for lies.

[@mommadibble]

Exactly. I don't get the argument from a basic knowledge standpoint on "You are responsible for what your food eats too" when people say vegans kill more animals XD Your food eats more food than me, on top of water and land consumption. An omnivore diet has a middle man making the killing of animals vastly greater then those who are accidentally hurt in the one crop from me that i'm eating to your hundreds of crops your animal you eat has to eat to get to slaughter weight. I don't get why it's not common sense lol

[@TheFettuck]

People aren't vegan when they don't care that animals perish for their food.

[@itdepnz]

Totally. Vegans murder less animals.

[@leof.]

You are so ill informed. Nobody escape pesticides. Everything die or suffer sickness.

[@henryjgray]

@leof I have absolutely no idea of the point you are trying to make, could you expand upon your incoherent response please and perhaps we could have a grown up discussion?

[@madthough2298]

Grass fed are also fed harvested foods in the winter when the grass isnt growing

[@fullredplatinum]

ever hear of hay?! 😜😜😜 breathtaking concept. Grassfed cows eat a variety of plants as well as all the millions of insects that live on them.

[@madthough2298]

@@fullredplatinum Right, so the argument that grass fed cows only eat fresh grass therefore don't contribute to harvest deaths is just a misunderstanding of farming practices.

[@fullredplatinum]

@@madthough2298 you don't even know what hay is or the fact that in nature monocrops don't exist. You aren't, intellectualy, even at the level of a primary school child. So you're hopeless

[@HowlingMoonCinemas]

Ryan from Happy Healthy Vegan already debunked the worn out "combines killing millions of animals" bs several times with actual studies that proved that to be entirely false.

[@michaelj8450]

Anyone got any studies to back up the claim that the vast majority of crops grown worldwide are fed to farmed animals? It's important we get this stuff right, and I'm not sure this is a claim that we can make, nor do we need to. A University of Minnesota Study from ten years ago showed that 55% of crops (calorically) fed humans, and 36% fed animals. Of course, the likelihood is (unfortunately) that the figure has changed in the ensuing years, with animal feed eating up more than the 36%, but not to the point where it has superseded the amount that feeds humans. A better argument is that in the EU, 71% of farmland is used for livestock feed (in the US estimates are even greater, closer to 90%). Thus, more land is harvested for the crops we feed livestock.

[@graememcelligott8874]

Most estimates appear to suggest that about 25-35% of crops by mass are fed to livestock, but it's difficult to claim from this that those crops are grown specifically for feed. In most cases, farmers grow for food markets but have the option of selling to feed if conditions make that more profitable (eg crops spoiled, poor quality yield or feed markets at a premium). Some crops are co-products, for example soy, most of which is used for human applications but the crush residue is used as feed and is typically the better value proportion of the crop. Also, when farmers produce more than is needed domestically they actively seek greater export volumes, so it's not clear what those exports are used for. They may be for feed or food, who knows? In terms of the actual proportion directly grown for feed, it's about 20% globally. A quick look at US crop figures suggests it is about 18%, but again a significant proportion is sent to export. I'm not sure where you get the 90% value for farmland area used to grow feed though. For example, if 65% of all corn harvested is sold to ethanol, export and food, I'd have assumed that represents close to an areal proportion as well.

[@lissalea8014]

I think the figure is based off of global data, not just country or state

[@Butterflyneverlands]

It’s hilarious how all of a sudden carnists care about the lives of animals.

[@itdepnz]

It's hilarious how vegan admit they murder animals too.

[@TheFettuck]

It's ironic how all of the sudden vegans don't care about the lives of ALL animals.

[@VTC847]

It would be nice to have Earthlin Ed on an actual show of Joe Rogan. I read comments here that he is too closed-minded for that, but let's not forget the insightful debate he facilitated between James Wilks, a vegan, and Chris Kresser, a non-vegan. In that instance, Joe openly acknowledged Wilks' compelling arguments in favor of veganism. While this discussion didn't convert Joe to a vegan lifestyle, it demonstrated his willingness to explore diverse perspectives on his platform. Having Earthlin Ed on the show would provide another opportunity for a meaningful and enlightening conversation about veganism.

[@airixxxx]

I shouldn't make fun of how people look, but I can't resist this time, he is as intelligent as he looks.

[@Heffey02]

Ed, love your content. I have questions that I hope you could make videos on. Firstly, I would love to get your take on culling. Do you view killing invasive species to protect the native ecosystem as moral? Two good examples would be the Barred owl in the PNW. Some believe killing up to half a million of these birds could help rebalance the ecosystem and help the spotted owl make a comeback. Also the green crab. Another, example could be wild boar in Texas. I’m no expert in these subjects but have noticed these situations being debated and don’t know how I feel about it. Also I really liked your Ted talk about pet ownership some years ago and would love an updated version on that topic. For example, vegans owning cats is a bit of a conundrum. Cats are obligate carnivores meaning the vegan owner must provide meat/fish for the pet. Also honey. What are your thoughts on bees and honey as well? Appreciate what you do, thanks for your time as always.

[@v.a.n.e.]

I have to say, the lady is simply gorgeous. her discrete makeup perfectly emphasizes her gentle personality.

[@MichaelToub]

Great Video!

[@Xend03]

I'm vegan, but I have a question, according to Our World In Data (that study that says that vegan world would reduce 75% use of lands) 57% of the crops are for humans, and then you have a lot of pastures, ¿but where the information that most crops are for animals come from? Because I keep hearing that over and over. And another question, ¿are insects killed in pastures in some way AFTER the creation of the pasture? ¿Are insecticides common in pastures? ¿Are insects deaths more common in crops or pastures? I think that's important information, because pastures are the vast majority of agricultural land.

[@keithoneill6273]

I've certainly read that over 75% of the world's soya bean production is fed to livestock. Even worse, the protein conversion rate is very low, so it's incredibly inefficient, apart from anything else.

[@IceBoNeZ]

Watch Ed's other vids, where he actually quotes the sources of the land use studies.

[@Xend03]

​@@keithoneill6273 Yes, I know that is that inefficient, and that the soya produced to animals is much greater than the soya produced to humans. But soya is not the only thing that we grow, that´s why I ask about the "we have more crops for animals than for humans", that´s true if you take pastures as crops, but if you don´t, I don´t think it is. ¿do we count pastures as crops? And, I mean, I know that proportionally it takes more crops to grow animal "products" than to grow food directly for us, so a plant-based world would reduce crops, but if we stop looking proportionally and look at the crops that are used today, in absolute terms, which I think is what Ed and the rest are referring to when they mention it, I think they are wrong. And @IceBoNeZ, yes, I have seen his videos, and that study talking of "57% crops are for humans" is from the study that he mentioned multiples times, the "If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares" study. ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets (the second chart) All of this that I mention is irrelevant from the point of view that no matter what, fewer insects would die in a vegan world, due to the decrease in crops. But I have that doubt and I think it is better to have things clear.

[@Xend03]

I hope I am expressing myself well, we are right in this argument, that eating animals and their secretions kills more insects, but I think we are not expressing it in the best way.

[@IceBoNeZ]

@@Xend03 There's ample evidence which supports the truth, the fact that animal agriculture industry uses far more land than what is necessary to feed humans from plant foods alone.

[@donaldanderson6578]

And Joe still won't bring a competent vegan debater to his show but will constantly mock veganism with his bro buddies. Absolute coward.

[@oilers48]

JR = Just Ridiculous

[@slartibartfast2452]

I wouldnt worry about rogan. If you gotta start taking T at 40. Yer probably doing something, or many things wrong. Think of it this way. Joe often refers to him self as an "average dummy." Yet, how many people still go into work monday morning quoting joe? This means you now have a reasonable idea of just how many people are less intelligent than joe.

[@adriand2895]

While animals are brutally killed to satisfy meat cravings for people like Joe Rogan. His podcast topics are sometimes nonsense topics, like bears, UFC, now vegans? Common Joe. Use common sense🌱

[@LiberacionIgualdad]

Sadly, a big blindspot many of us in the animal movement still have is that of wild animals and the persistent idyllic view of nature. Sadly, having more wild lands, more biodiversity, rewilding or even this idea that Ed has supported in the past of re-introducing predators may very well increase the amount of harm, suffering and premature death that other animals would experience, rather than decrease it. These environmental goals say nothing about the wellbeing of animals as individual beings. We need to move beyond this notion and start thinking not only of how to minimize the harm we cause but also how minimize the harms that other animals suffer naturally. I strongly support and recommend the work of organizations such as Animal Ethics and Wild Animal Initiative on this topic and I hope some of those who read this may rethink their position on it and join the movement to go beyond anthropocentric and environmentalists ethics and start actively helping wild animals regardless of their purported “ecological value”.

[@hunnersahings7375]

Has anyone heard anything about why doctor Neal Barnards interview on Diary of a CEO has been taken down? It seems to me that his interview caused a massive stir in the comments section. People threatening to unsubscribe from the podcast and interestingly an article by the Daily Mail a day after it’s release saying that all his guests are charlatans. Seems like the meat industry has flexed their muscles and has made the show delete the interview. I thought he done great on the show and because of his solid position and the following diary of a ceo has the powers that be have got scared and pressured Steven Bartlet.

[@nancyschick598]

People want to hear what supports bad habits.

[@lesterlasa3367]

Spot on ❤❤❤❤

[@cleantheplatejames3648]

Joe is aging rapidly.

[@mysticmouse7261]

The argument doesn't move me one iota. First it makes the perfect the enemy of the good. Also the crops necessary to feed the food animals quickly even out the killings. It's not like meat eaters avoid grains eating bread pastry pasta etc. It"s the You too fallacy. You kill small so it's ok for me to kill big.

[@TheFettuck]

Why are vegans still killing in the first place?

[@zeusoftheaegis9038]

"You kill small so it's ok for me to kill big." You NAILED it. This is why Veganism at its core is a flawed ideology. Because all it is is the lesser of 2 evils. Because the purist most truist form of Veganism, which is Fruitarianism, is probably the worst diet conceivable. Hence the vegans who eat crops are either ignorant of the massive amounts of death & destruction caused to the pest animals OR they simply make peace with it the way meat eaters do.

[@zeusoftheaegis9038]

"You kill small so it's ok for me to kill big." You NAILED it. This is why Veganism at its core is a flawed ideology. Because all it is is the lesser of 2 evils. Because the purist most truist form of Veganism, which is Fruitarianism, is probably the worst diet conceivable. Hence the vegans who eat crops are either ignorant of the massive amounts of destruction caused to the pest animals OR they simply make peace with it the way meat eaters do.

[@deancoder8356]

The argument that one wants to believe ones position swings both ways. Having raised cattle, they graze on land that would really be inappropriate for any kind of human crop based agriculture. We all agree, I believe, that we want ethical animal based and agricultural based practices regardless of your particular dirt choices.

[@stevenvachon9745]

There is a much bigger diversity of the animals that benefit from the diverse crops used to feed us, much more so than the animals that benefit from the crops used to feed animals.

[@durwoodmaccool890]

Yup. Preach on Brother Ed.

[@graememcelligott8874]

It's very hard to make a case that somehow vegans do worse on average. Most consumers eat plants and animals, all that vegans do is replace the animals with plants. And that requires a very small area of land - about 0.1/hectare/year. Given that the average consumer must cause around 100-200 animals to be killed each year directly for their food, farmers would need to kill about 1000-2000 pest animals per hectare per year in protein crops like soy and lentils before the vegans would be doing worse. I have never seen an estimate greater than 120. I ignore insects because we don't know if they matter individually and because we have no credible estimates across different production systems.

[@rickicoughlan8299]

So let's see . . . Joe doesn't know that most farmed animals eat plants which come from crops and doesn't now that the the amount of animals killed when growing crops is no doubt vastly less than those killed by animal agriculture, including all the deforestation and knock on effects to the environment caused by that clearing and the global warming that's exacerbated by animal ag and now let's look at 'by-catch' and ghost nets and bottom trawling and toxic chemicals, etc., etc., and industrial ocean fishing and aquaculture.

[@damikey85]

I love Joe Rogan. I truly do. For a lot of reasons. Number 1, he’s apart of the MMA world. But man 😂 he must’ve hit his head very hard if he is thinking we’re killing animals. The thing is, the animals that does eat animals, still get a chance to eat 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@beatricecote6895]

RN from NJ- knew Joe and his family. Nice guy, very limited in education and he spews sooo much misinformation and anecdotal bullshit that I went from liking him to wishing he’d just shut up. He loves his millions and that’s all he cares about. Quack doctors flock to advise him. Sad.

[@andersonanderson3166]

respect and love for the arguments and the way to comunicate them

[@johnnyrose6052]

The Shit thing is........people REFUSE to open their own eyes. It's easier to throw stones at the Whistleblowers!!!!!

[@pawelkapica5363]

The argument is flawed though because you need more crops to raise kattle than if you ate the crops directly. So even then cattle farming still kills more.

[@TheFettuck]

The argument isn't flawed when you only consider the crops which are directly consumed by humans. Why do vegans even care about what kattle eats? Kattle shouldn't exist according to vegan logic.

[@allandm]

When are we getting Ed in Jo's podcast?

[@bongodave13]

Rogan is so woefully uninformed. Not just about veganism, but everything he discusses.

[@hipkiss100]

Fruit trees are the most ethical form of farming !!!

[@lonegamer_mu]

We do our best. Refraining from eating meat (from some animals) and caring for helpless animals require commitment. Have some respect, that's all wanted.

[@patrickdalton2424]

Why can't we just admit that crop deaths are unetical. It's great we don't Eat animals and we don't want them getting sluaghtered. But why can't we view the crop deaths the same way we view sluaghter house deaths. We shouldn't need to react to joe rogan comments. We should be able to see it for ourself and not have a carivore point it out to us. Its an eqaully valid cause and every bit voilent and unetical

[@TheFettuck]

Vegans continue to react because they don't want to lose the conveniences of commercial crop farms.

[@TheFettuck]

Slaughter and crop deaths aren't the same because this simply wouldn't be convenient. We would lose the conveniences of our current crop farms if we actually stopped using them.

[@brekerr]

Would love to see him talk to jo Rogan. But don't think Rogan would have the guts

[@samturner6061]

If Ed were to get onto Joe Rogan, it wouldn't just be a case of Joe vs Ed, because Joe himself wouldn't have enough arguments to challenge him. Ed is on the level, in terms of position in a community, ability to speak for a community, that he really can be considered an expert. When Joe has an expert on, he greatly respects them, he's said himself that he feels like a dummy compared to them, so... if Joe were to have Ed on, he'd have to set the whole thing up to help the expert get points across, let the expert talk at length - because the audience loves this kind of humble, student teacher dynamic. The problem is, Joe doesn't respect vegans enough for this to be the case. If you look at an episode that has Neil Degrasse Tyson or Elon Musk on, Joe does what I said above. Ed deserves this same treatment. The ability (if Joe really is not biased right or left and really is just in the middle) to push your TRUTH founded message to an audience, that you feel is important, just like any of his other esteemed guests have. Veganism ultimately isn't people's enemy unless they choose it to be, unless they want to die on a hill over a cheesestring, but we are vilified. The first and foremost opinion of us when brought up in a discussion is that of disdain. Rude levels of scrutiny. So if Joe does have Ed on - Ed will receive the same heretic brand and treatment as he does on EVERY show, ultimately being surrounded by people who have opposing views, shared views of whatever corporate interest are or are not pulling the strings, and most definitely of Joe himself - who is firmly biased to opposing vegans, it seems full stop. The bottom line? Joe is scared of having Ed on alone. It'll devalue Joe as a person a lot if he even tries to make any arguments. He will be awkwardly sitting through Jamie pulling up all manner of stuff that Joe's likely never bothered to look into before, and Joe will be left after 2.5 hours having said 'huh.' a thousand times with puffy eyes, a billion people expecting him to actually change based on what he's learned, and then likely, after 2 weeks or so of radio silence on the matter, a declaration of adopting the 'XXX CAVEMAN DIET' where he not only kills his own food, but Fux it before he eats it. And then someone in Instagram will go out and kill and eat an actual vegan human being in real life or something

[@slaffkas]

This is not vegans fault. Everyone loves a good salad or some fruits. It is a fault of a whole society.

[@jeremywolf9472]

As a Vegan I can confirm killing an ant is not the same as killing a Cow or a Human.

[@TheFettuck]

The killing of an animal is the killing of an animal, no matter if the animal is an ant, cow or human!

[@robinwallace7097]

MAN I love you Ed!

[@Brain-retraining-made-simple]

Biodiversity doesn't happen with plant crops on their own. It happens with animals feces regenerating the soil and that captures carbon. We need to regenerate our soil that's destroyed and there's only one real way to do that and that's the natural way with animals on pasture.

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

Fawns are born in the spring Joe, as a hunter, you should know this. Harvest is done in the fall. That’s why after 41 years of being a farmer I’ve never even heard of a fawn being killed. 🤣

[@dylanryanmoore]

As a farmer you should know different plants have different harvest times. There is a video on youtube of a dear being hit by a combine

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

@@dylanryanmoore Not true for grains. Maybe for hay, but that’s for animal agriculture.

[@dylanryanmoore]

@@hardcoreherbivore4730 Brother are you sure you're a farmer? There is such thing as a spring harvest and there's a plethora of crops harvested in spring. I'm not trying to have an ah ha gotcha moment but this is facts.

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

@@dylanryanmoore You don’t seem to know what a grain is, none have a spring harvest. What grows in snow? 🤣

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

@@dylanryanmoore Seriously, how dumb are you!? 🤪

[@Clarityandwisdom33]

Why does my body feel so horrible on a Vegan diet? (I tried for 6 months and felt horrible) How many years does it take to adjust?

[@tina4543]

If you're O neg. You are harming self. Research eat right for your blood type.

[@camtyler3576]

Although as a vegan I do want to see more reclaiming of and rewilding the land used currently by animal ag, I can't help but think about the enormous amount of Wild animal suffering this would cause. The suffering of wild animals is a moral blindspot many vegans haven't considered before. I certainly didn't until I watched Humane Hancocks video. Food for thought. Pardon the pun.

[@dbabini1]

It's so cute watching a couple of girls podcast about how they think the world really works.

[@KsazDFW]

Joe Rohan is like Howard Stern…. Most people don’t understand that he is entertainment and not to be taken too seriously. While I actually agree with some of what Rogan says, most of his followers don’t know that Rogan takes many positions for the purpose of getting clicks and building his base.

[@catlover6721]

Love you Ed!

[@mertonhirsch4734]

Plant based beats crop fed animals but it doesn't come close to eating only grazing animals. You have to go into climate change and sustainability but it's a different topic.

[@mrohit1617]

Well done

[@mikeskylark1594]

Well said

[@lissalea8014]

Vegan Jesus has spoken 😇

[@Bensonbadger]

If any animal got the chance, it would eat you and everyone you cared about.

[@atunafis6038]

Well not every animal, and only if it were rather hungry. But do you think that means their suffering and deaths do not matter?

[@synndakitt]

Just curious. I've started searching for carnivore diets and youtube is sending me a lot of vegan channels. For those of you who are vegan, are you getting carnivore videos on your feed?

[@mr.hoppelelefant2350]

I see that eating veggies is more ethical compared to farming them in a cruel way. How is one supposed to feed their beloved dog? Feeding it a vegan diet would be cruel also and it wouldn't live as long and healthy as compared to a proper diet according to its needs. Leaving lots of dogs in killing stations or leaving them in the streets to attack people later on isn't really answering this ethical question..

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

Dogs need nutrients not ingredients. The latest systematic review by the Veterinarian Journal states that a vegan diet is as good, IF NOT BENEFICIAL, to a flesh filled diet.

[@lopsii902]

nailed it!

[@theirukandjisyndrome]

Would love to see Joe and Ed debate, Joe wouldn't stand a chance.

[@ccamire]

Please let us eat like we want and stop imposing to others our options.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

Says the carnist trolling a vegan channel. 🤦‍♀️

[@eatplantsloveanimals]

Why don't you let the animals live and stop imposing on them when you have other options?

[@ChadKasten-zv7lz]

😂how is this logical. He can’t say that while right outside my door exists wild land where cattle, deer, and all types of animals live mostly harmoniously. How would it be beneficial to turn that into a soy plot. That’s called mono cropping, the opposite of biodiversity.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

And humans only eat 7% of all soy grown. 🤦‍♀️

[@ChadKasten-zv7lz]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent doesn’t seem efficient

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@ChadKasten-zv7lz The vast majority of monocrops are fed to livestock. That's my whole point. 77% of all agricultural land is dedicated to animal ag. They only give us 18% of our worldwide calories. It's incredibly inefficient. Several studies have shown we could feed the entire population using a quarter of the land if we were to switch to a plant based diet. Currently 800 million starve while we feed the 90 billion land animals we slaughter.

[@ChadKasten-zv7lz]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent well now we’re just giving facts. I have my own facts and they go in direct contradiction to yours. If we start doing this we will go no where. Explain to me how turning a wild riparian zone, that holds cattle, sheep. Deer, rabbits, I could go on and on, into a farm that at best only holds a few selected invasive plants. The gentlemen up above said that result in biodiversity. And I struggle to see how that would do anything but damage and displace wildlife. Also the land is not tillable and i live a food desert. It’s not economical or environmentally conscious to ship in that much food.

[@ChadKasten-zv7lz]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent this is the hypocrisy of the vegan ideology. We’re obviously dealing with many issues. Planetary issues, animal abuse, economic instability. Vegans openly admit, their food consumption comes with loss of animal life, the farmers call them “pests” So Iv decided to turn my back yard into a garden. I can feed a family of four, seven months out of the year. I also acquire meat through hunting, road kill, eggs from my cousin. I do purchase meat from time to time, and dairy. But my carbon footprint is so much smaller then a vegans, and because of my low impact approach to gardening, I don’t kill any “pests” only the animals I hunt, or purchase. Fyi a deer feeds easily 3 months. Veganism isn’t the solution, there are many ways to get there

[@electron-Volt]

great video

[@AaronVets]

Did Joe have a lobotomy we are unaware of? 🧠💀🤕

[@Incredible43]

If they are SO concerned with all of those animals then why aren't they plant based? Most crops are fed to farmed animals, if they eat animal products they are killing much more than plant based eaters. 90+ billion land animals, thats A LOT of crops.

[@TheFettuck]

You're not vegan, because you clearly aren't concerned with the killing of all of those animals.

[@Weak_Hand]

Joe Wrongan! 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@barekamy]

I have heard a lot of bad takes on veganism but this... this is beyond me

[@itsalluphl]

Joe needs to have this discussion with a Vegan not with a captive audience - clearly he doesn’t know his facts

[@VeganChurch-jr1kb]

Cruel farming methods are not needed, there are better methods - for example have more wild pollination areas that sustain wildlife, instead of the large fields of animal feed crops that this farmer uses.

[@tom4412]

Do you think your local Supermarket should also have a wild pollination area in part of the store? How about all businesses should have a wild pollination area in part of the building! I mean why limit it to just farming businesses that should have this wild pollination area.

[@VeganChurch-jr1kb]

@@tom4412 it may sound strange but there are gardens that can work in harmony with insects anywhere that is not a bad thing, as well as proximity to where vegetables are grown. It should not be cheaper to rent out living bees, there should be a solution in harmony with wild insects.

[@kentroskelley1389]

Joe Rogan just another example of him playing to his audience. Feeding them what he believes they believe and want to hear.

[@anneshaughnessy2754]

YO JOE, it’s all about INTENTION to kill.

[@airixxxx]

Unfortunately he has the biggest podcast on earth (I have no idea why would someone listen to this dude but alas a lot of things don't make sense in this world) so he has a lot of reach and his listeners would believe what he says and think he's some sort of authority on subjects, like he actually knows what he's talking about.

[@ChandlerCoops]

Think about it animal farming is sustainable most animals reach maturity in 8-12 months and breed often it would happen in the wild you kill more crops with deforestation of replanting soybean fields is unstable in the long wrong animals can’t graze they can’t reproduce short term solution

[@Trustee-of-The-Most-High]

That's jogging in semantics. Just say grow 13 trees with fruits bearing seeds in every sidewalk of the nation and not even one single creature would starve. Next construct a hempcrete treehouse in every single one of those trees with bird feeders and bird houses for a successful harvest. Anyone im out you all are just blatantly cooking each others on stupid ideas

[@fingersm]

Eat the crops that feed the animals! Problem solves, ur welcome

[@consciousobserver629]

Joe has conducted many amazing interviews (#1 podcast in the world), and it works well BECAUSE he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He asks the questions his viewers need answers to... but he is especially dumb on this topic. Surely even he doesn't believe his own bs. Then again, denial is an incredibly strong force.

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

Joe needs to get off the bongs . Its msking him say the most absurd things one could say .

[@Britt-r3r]

Hunters and gathers are actually the only people living a sustainable life.

[@sp-bc1kk]

Let’s all hope Joe Rogan sees this video. Perhaps then he can try and explain why he talks nonsense.

[@Spock_Rogers]

🕊️💕🌞🌱

[@vasaliferis]

i almost wish we all go vegan tommorow. i'd love to see where the heck all those billions of sheep cows pigs chickens etc will go. and where the heck will we vegans get plants to eat when they will eat them all. not to mention the predator population all those billions of animals roaming free will sustain, we will go extinct

[@buyerofsorts]

There's just no way Joe Rogan can remain so ignorant about Veganism as he pretends to be. Something is afoot with Joe.

[@veganandlovingit]

Joe likes hunting?

[@CeravvvEgan]

I’ll give the video a like and comment, but not going to watch as I can’t stand to hear Joe R talk at all. I watched the full interview between Ed and Robbie though, thanks.

[@Woodman.420]

Here I just see that to much soy is not good for men

[@quiteatinganimals]

Ed is the man 💯