East Asia Tonight: China willing to work with Indonesia on South China Sea

[@Nw-n6w]

China and Indonesia do discuss and work out something rewarding for both Indonesia and China on the sea issue 💪

[@JayeCurrie-jz5mr]

China needs to except the 2016 ruin everybody in the world knows that China doesn’t have a leg to stand on. They do not own the South Sea and they should stop trying to twist other peoples views of there is no legal basis to their claim in the South China, like lIndonesia. Indonesia knows the truth and they told that China I’m glad that the Philippines have these two laws they’ve implemented they have the courage to move forward and they’re valid claim to the south China see

[@wilky143]

Do you think china will honor this? China is overly greedy and evilishly deceptive

[@AbiManyu-mv3ly]

Good job Indonesia to keep non-alignment politic way by prioritizing the interests of the country

[@johnny-ih5es]

There's no territorial dispute between China and Indonesia.

[@ArifWiwitan]

There is but both do not want war or provocation both still respect and want to befirend one aboter

[@Homo_Tyrannus]

Natuna islands Xi Jinping exclaimed has lots of Swimming Tunas, they'll offer a big solution to hungry Chinese masses.

[@Blixey-r9z]

That is correct. The dispute between Indonesia and China is confined to maritime entitlements (EEZ) generated by the territories of China and Indonesia. The problem is that the Chinese territories (Spratlys) themselves are disputed by neighbouring countries so the issue is gridlocked.

[@edmundlao3660]

There is dispute with china there is always dispute...china is a spoiled brat in the intl community

[@NoFrillz-G]

I just spent a hundreds dollar on aliexpress

[@ghteo9766]

be practical. Russia took 20% of Ukraine territory, by international law? no, by power. Israel occupied Palestine land by international law? no, by power. Who determines the ownership of the SCS? international law? no, power. This world, is run according to international law? no, but power. Sad, but this is the fact.

[@andrean2247]

Is US right on iraq? Yes by power.

[@therminust4]

5O US states all take by power

[@razmanrazali1914]

​@@therminust4what the hell are you babbling about s2pid wumao?

[@azteclegalgroup7604]

U.S. has more power so the West Philippine Sea belongs to Philippines.

[@mjmf1430]

International laws= USA "rule based" international order.

[@DreamWizzer]

I watch this because of otelli edwards...

[@osmanzng8065]

Where exactly is the dispute?

[@Blixey-r9z]

There is a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation about international law and the South China Sea. Below is something to help clear up the misconceptions perpetuated by the media and the Filipino government. I hope people will take time to read and digest it. This is important because the mistaken beliefs about international law and Philippines territory are significant obstacles to peaceful resolution of the SCS dispute. Thanks in advance: The UNCLOS treaty is about the maritime entitlements generated by undisputed sovereign territory. The treaty was never meant to be used to resolve disputes over territorial sovereignty. The South China Sea is a dispute about sovereignty. That is why 1. China exercised her legal right to not submit to arbitration and reject the 2016 PCA UNCLOS decision; 2. The PCA did not make any decision or express any opinion about the sovereignty of maritime features; and 3. The PCA did not rule that China’s sovereignty claims were illegal per se ( the PCA had no jurisdiction to arbitrate on sovereignty ). The PCA could not rule out a possible legal basis for China’s claims . Just as one cannot build a house on a poor foundation, one cannot construct sovereignty claims from a treaty about maritime entitlements generated from disputed territory. The Philippines is abusing the rights and procedures under UNCLOS. This risks delegitimising the treaty and damaging international justice. Sovereignty disputes were usually settled by military or economic might. We hope diplomatic negotiations or international law will be used to settle territorial disputes. However, arbitration over sovereignty requires BOTH parties’ consent; to date, a few sovereignty disputes have been settled by arbitration (eg. Pedra Branca & Middle Rock). To cite the 2016 UNCLOS arbitration as the basis for Philippines’ territorial claims contravenes the fundamental legal principle of state consent for arbitration of sovereignty under customary international law. Law-fare in the ICJ or distorted narratives in the court of public opinion will not get the Philippines anywhere; it will only harden China’s position and provoke more physical confrontation on the high seas. A pragmatic solution to South China Sea disputes embraced by several ASEAN members is to shelve their sovereignty disputes (ie agree to disagree) and pursue agreements of cooperation over South China Sea resources through quiet diplomatic negotiations. This approach, initially suggested by Deng Xiao Peng in 1960, has achieved some progress between competing claimant states. An ASEAN-flavoured analogy to explain the SCS dispute: 2 neighbours with mango trees are arguing about a fallen mango on the ground. They cannot prove which tree the mango fell from. Consider the 3 scenarios below: 1. The neighbours fight, accidentally smash the mango and no one gets to taste it; 2. The neighbours stop arguing and sit down to share the mango in peace; 3. One neighbour decides to ask the village crime boss for help. The crime boss’ thugs take the mango forcibly from the other neighbour. However, the crime boss likes the mango so much he decides to keep the mango, collect protection money and tax all future mango harvests from both trees for himself. Despite sovereignty disputes over maritime features, the freedom of commercial navigation and overflight enjoyed by all states in the South China Sea under international law has never been threatened. The South China Sea currently contains some of the safest and freest sea lanes in the world, with more than 100,000 ships and one third of the world's maritime trade passing through every year. Over 60% of China's foreign trade and energy imports pass through the South China Sea; peace and stability in the South China Sea is as vital to China as any other country. China’s interests lie in ensuring that these sea lanes remain safe and accessible to all.  The UK & the US themselves blatantly defied the UN and ICJ rulings that affirm Mauritius’ sovereignty over Diego Garcia (which the UK took by force) for many years; they only recently negotiated a controversial settlement with the Mauritian government that excluded the original Islanders themselves to grant the UK and US another 99 years of occupation of Diego Garcia against the recommendations of the UN and ICJ court. Filipinos should also note the US herself has not ratified the UNCLOS treaty.

[@45641560456405640563]

@@Blixey-r9z China is at fault here. As it is in its maritime disputes with a range of other nations due to its ludicrous territorial claims. You can copy/paste as many walls of text as you wish but putting lipstick on a pig won't turn it into a super-model.

[@kmreddy7689]

Indonesia should assert its Rights strictly according to the UN laws and International laws - nothing more and nothing less. Any agreement that contradicts the UN laws would make it invalid. China's claims are invalid.

[@randall_c_6163]

America is vomiting blood, seeing China sign a deal with Vietnam to upgrade there bilateral relationship, signing and lowering hostility with India and now moving closer to Indonesia.

[@lomaxrobert]

OK Comrade

[@legpol]

Indonesia should not go alone. It should go in a group including countries bordering on the South China Sea.

[@dollgoo-jx8fv]

Apparently Indonesia is smarter and more pragmatic than the Philippines.

[@TeRauWikingi]

Our prominent chief signed the treaty in england he was a crown and maori people known az iwi

[@Homo_Tyrannus]

Chibese will be happy to take the Tuna islands, so many fishes

[@Ffdipedie]

can't you tell the difference between sea and island. China never claimed Natuna Island. the dispute is only about sea boundary, not island.

[@Homo_Tyrannus]

@Ffdipedie yes they want islands atolls bedrocks seashore lowtide sandbars artificial island even Himalayan mountains. They want everything🫡😉🇨🇳💥👍

[@SphCopy]

geopolitik adalah masalah yang terlalu berat untuk otak anda yang kecil bro😂 Tidak semudah itu mengambil pulau kami😂 China memiliki kemampuan dan kekuatan di Laut China timur,tapi indonesia juga memiliki kemampuan memblokir selat Malaka dan selat sunda😂 Apakah hal itu sepadan??? Yah pertanyaan ini mungkin terlalu berlebihan untuk otak andan yang sederhana😂

[@jimmychandra8979]

Philipines should learn from Indonesia...

[@尹白夜]

中国和美国在进行一场篮球比赛，请问球权是由比赛双方决定的，还是由篮球自己决定的？

[@GAMINGBISAKOL]

​@@尹白夜another propaganda by CCP

[@mike-xd4ih]

why should we? Indonesia is just following what china says and Philippines do not that's why china aggressive towards ph..

[@jimmychandra8979]

@@mike-xd4ih Why we follow China said ? Indonesia, Malaysia and others Asean follow our interest and not what US says.. We love peace not war... All Asean country have positive economic growth exclude Philippines.

[@siopaoman37]

huh?

[@TeRauWikingi]

Winston Churchill was wrong

[@globanxiety]

The Qing dynasty truly extends from the Arctic all the way to Christmas Island. China has all the rights to reclaim all the land and sea they see on TV.

[@lomaxrobert]

As long as PRC remembers it split away in 1949 from Republic of China (Taiwan) founded in 1912. China surrender to Taiwan.

[@Aleph-alpha]

Shut up troll.

[@dollgoo-jx8fv]

I don’t know why, but this female reporter based in Beijing makes me feel very uncomfortable.

[@meganfoxbf]

oil belong to who ? before we go further

[@TeRauWikingi]

Amen

[@Qingqiu9]

Wow so many 1.6b worker here.

[@ArabicReja973]

Sorry, China 🇨🇳! The North Natuna Sea is *not in dispute.* It belongs to Indonesian 🇮🇩 EEZ. The Hague Tribunal already settled this by its ruling in 2016. - Whether China likes it or not, the ruling is *final and legally binding.*

[@AddlyJenesma]

I told u to stop smoking weed and talking too much nonsense.

[@AhmetTekin101]

​@@AddlyJenesmaWhy don't you stop eating bat soup?

[@AhmetTekin101]

​@@AddlyJenesma Read your own comment again! It applies perfectly to you, seriously!

[@Moss_piglets]

@@AddlyJenesma you should get off the internet and leave discussions to adults.

[@harlan3103]

AhmetReja is a donkey! he's the Michelangelo of BS!

[@Leevancliff-v8z]

Natuna islands rightful owner is indonesia. What dialogue china wants?😅😢😅

[@junielesparas8018]

Well ofcourse china is afraid that their largest supplier of nickel 😂😂😂 duh

[@HoPeng-t9c]

What is there is to discuss. It is called south "CHINA" sea so it belongs to China

[@harry77998]

Then indian ocean belong to india and malacca strait belong to malaysia .

[@bitcoinmonitor7144]

so the whole Philippines sea belong to the Philippines the largest sea.

[@lomaxrobert]

Shanghai French Quarter belongs to France.

[@HoPeng-t9c]

malaysia, india, and philippines citizens originated from China. Those seas also belong to China. This is an undeniable fact. There is nothing yo discuss. Period.

[@Aleph-alpha]

⁠@@HoPeng-t9c This is so arrogant. There are Chinese people living in these countries. But originated from China? I am a Chinese and never heard of it. Especially Indian people are Aryan. We did claim SCS before other countries, a very smart move.

[@broray5934]

Willing to work funny asf! 😂 that territory isn't even theirs! To begin with! To say that "we're willing to work with Indonesia" is just like saying "we're willing to work with Indonesia in their own territory" 😂

[@LeeSkJohn-sv8wi]

SCS has been China's and Taiwan territory since ancient times before even Indonesia and unclos were established. You need to improve your knowledge before commenting here.

[@broray5934]

@LeeSkJohn-sv8wi china has been mongolia's territory ever since. Keep your room temperature IQ away from here. Wumao troll. Cope harder 😂

[@ArifWiwitan]

@@LeeSkJohn-sv8wi as an indonesian I actually wish xi jinping could unify asean with china into a single state. Asean will only benefit from engagement with big bro china with its ancient wisdom.

[@LeeSkJohn-sv8wi]

@@ArifWiwitan not easy as Asean is v diverse in culture, religion and history. ASEAN cannot even unify , look at Philippines. They became defacto USA colony now. The best is to have peace and economic cooperation to share south china sea and negotiate to avoid conflict and war. But your idea is good.

[@45641560456405640563]

😂😂😂😂 It's really simple. China can work with others in the South China Sea by keeping out of other countries territory. For a nation paranoid about their own sovereignty they could perhaps respect the sovereignty of others.

[@olimoral6590]

From 9 dust lie to 10 dust lie soon it will be 100 dust lie😂

[@LeeSkJohn-sv8wi]

Why you laugh????Your joke is stupid. Not funny.

[@harry77998]

Is already 11 dash line buddy 😂

[@olimoral6590]

You have your own EEZ, south east asian country also have there own EEZ respect international law

[@MrsFlappypie]

​@@LeeSkJohn-sv8wifact, china is greedy af

[@adamchoi796]

Why need to negotiate? There is international sea law governing. It’s only meant you are giving up your rights. So stupid

[@BrandyHeng007]

After QUAD could there be a TRIAD US-Singapore-Indonesia

[@ornachia2489]

No

[@BrandyHeng007]

@@ornachia2489 What If US use Gunboat Diplomacy ?? Either "you're with me or against me"

[@Kk-du6ei]

@@BrandyHeng007 Gunboat Diplomay is so outdated, let's try Drones diplomacy

[@TeRauWikingi]

Kia ora

[@siopaoman37]

InDONESIA HAS NO CLAIM IN SOUTH CHINA SEA...look at the map.

[@hitthedeck4115]

This is interesting.

[@AhmetTekin101]

What is China willing to work with Indonesia 🇮🇩 on? The Hague Tribunal ruled in 2016 that Chinese claims are illegal. *China has no entitlement to resources in the SCS.*

[@conti-vl6tx]

The 2016 Hague ruled in favor of the Philippines 200 miles EEZ but never ruled who owns the islands in the South China Seas. As matter of fact UNCLOS doesn't deal with matters concerning sovereignty. An EEZ is still international waters and is not sovereignty but only fishing and oil rights. That's why it's called an exclusive economic zone.

[@AhmetTekin101]

@conti-vl6tx Rubbish! ​Have you read UNCLOS or the Hague Tribunal 2016 ruling? Don't talk nonsense if you know nothing about them.

[@AhmetTekin101]

@conti-vl6tx ​Have you read UNCLOS or the Hague Tribunal 2016 ruling? Don't talk nonsense if you know nothing about them.

[@skydragon23101979]

@@AhmetTekin101If you do not understand the results don’t show your ignorance.

[@razmanrazali1914]

​​@@skydragon23101979if anyone is showing ignorance it's you wumao. The islands are within EEZ

[@Fr.VeniceLAI]

PRChina has none or more precisely ZERO legitimate claim, under International Laws, on any of the areas/islands, demarcated by its own-self unilaterally drawn 9-Dash Lines and 10-Dash Lines of the almost entirety of the South-China-Sea. Opine, it is absolutely LUDICROUS to offer willingness to work with Indonesia on the South-China-Sea, where PRChina owns nothing, but claimed everything !

[@hitthedeck4115]

There are a lot to unpack here, for example, China has the power to enforce its claims (legitimacy has no bearing since it has the power) while Indonesia doesn't, so what does Indonesia need to do? Prabowo also was just appointed as president and he needs to show his people that his promise to develop the economy will go through.

[@conti-vl6tx]

Well, in fact in international law, neither continuity nor proximity is the basis under international law for acquiring territory. In fact, many countries have territories far away from their mainland and their metropolitan areas but also in some cases very close to other shores of other countries. The Ren'ai Jiao has always been part of China's Nansha Qundao and China has been making territory claims to the entire Nansha Qundao including Ren'ai Jiao and their claim is also recognized by many countries in the whole world. Actually for the Philippines since the 1970's, they tried to invaded and illegally occupied by force and on some of the features of China's Nansha Qundao. Philippines actions, illegal actions, cause many troubles ever since. China doesn’t claim everything in the South China Sea. This is a fake narrative propagated by the western mainstream media to smear China. China is claiming the SCS islands which were surrendered by Japan in 1945. Only up to 200 nm of waters measured from the shorelines of these islands belong to the owner of these islands.

[@Fr.VeniceLAI]

@@conti-vl6tx "胜者为王，败者为寇" (shèng zhě wéi wáng, bài zhě wéi kòu)... hence, as such the Chinese Communist Party's narratives of its past history, and the events to happen of the present times, as well as as all required legitimacy under its own creation ..are correct, which interestingly in the English language also has an equivalent .. "Who Dares Win". !. (quoted from the U.K. SAS)

[@AhmetTekin101]

​@@conti-vl6tx Have you read UNCLOS or the Hague Tribunal 2016 ruling? Read them and come back to discuss.

[@AhmetTekin101]

​@@conti-vl6tx Have you read UNCLOS or the Hague Tribunal 2016 ruling? Read them and come back to discuss.

[@therminust4]

Indonesia collab with China, result is High Speed Train and Prosperity Philippine collab with US, result is Pagpag & Wterboarding 1899

[@45641560456405640563]

I'm sure typing that out felt clever. Meanwhile Chinese bullying and continued territorial encroachment is a thing. Perhaps be brave enough to address these rather than hide from them.

[@Moss_piglets]

Oh, please! Don't belittle Indonesia as if they have no ability to advance without China. They are completely capable. Smh.

[@razmanrazali1914]

@@therminust4 chinese eat slimy pork

[@BLacQk]

china collab with indo in south sea is s2pid, china has no claims to that area it all belong to asean countries 😂

[@ArifWiwitan]

​@@Moss_piglets not really, we indonesian need superior foreigners be it europeans americans chinese japanese indians arabs or even jews to help us get on our feet. At least for now, because as a nation we are like a toddler who knows nothing so we still need guidance to learn aboht life.

[@mikechiam2032]

"work with". Looks like Indonesia is going to have a new train / port soon

[@anyone1200]

This is a real WIN- WIN SITUATION

[@critique7767]

We already have 15 high speed train and a subway system . And multiple ports by razon all over ph. China cant even have a BRI in ph thats why she crying😂

[@johnliew3437]

Maybe Indonesia are scare.

[@paranoya733]

If so why their coast guard were able to drive out china's CG just a week ago from indonesia EEZ? China didn't even confront them

[@globanxiety]

@@paranoya733 Absolutely, Indonesia is powerful in their waters and China can't bully Indonesia as it will trigger a blockade in the malacca straits

[@happymelon7129]

​@@paranoya733 It's so clear , both party are acting. Both gov need to answer to their people😅. Just like Malaysia discuss with China, before hand then both declare rights near East Malaysia together. 😂After that tell the people/media they already complaint to China, but actually having lunch together.

[@johnliew3437]

@@paranoya733 That's why after that incident, Indonesia President quickly traveled to China to apologize and shake Xi's hand for a very very long time if you notice.

[@paranoya733]

@@johnliew3437 LOL, you need to learn geopolitics kid on how important malacca straits for china and not to messed up with indonesia

[@happymelon7129]

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[@happymelon7129]

Those EU countries that voted "yes" to the EV car tariffs either produced no cars or produced far fewer cars. This convinced everyone that this is to deindustrialize Germany. Not helping workers.

[@mingwang4359]

😘😘😘

[@daimos6686]

CHINA WILLING TO WORK WITH INDONESIA IT MEANS IT BELONGS TO CHINA. THEY ARE JUST GIVING INDONESIA THE PERMISSION 😂😂😂LOL

[@razmanrazali1914]

Only in your delusional dreams wumao 😝🤣

[@razmanrazali1914]

Only in your delusional dreams wumao😝🤣🤣🤣

[@razmanrazali1914]

@@daimos6686 You wish wumao 😝

[@TeRauWikingi]

Regina regalia

[@MrsFlappypie]

Pait pait pait...

[@worldolympicouncil8649]

JPX as usual .....

[@rodolfoguevarra9160]

don't touch tne philiines

[@TeRauWikingi]

Awesome trump team nobel

[@z06952]

bot at full force 🥱

[@harrisng3041]

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[@上正止]

China is eager to sign the code of conduct and it is actually been arranged to do that. But as usual whenever these things happen, some country will get nervous and work their magic on their weak minded client states. Then, the territorial dispute will become tense , thus the code of conduct is delayed once more. If signed, every country involved in this pact will have to abide by the rules, which means that some country who did not sign the international law of the sea can create trouble again. Yet again.

[@Poohjin1]

😂😂

[@TeRauWikingi]

@amiriawikingi