Part 2: Melani & Ian Pawlowski religious beliefs and what they know about JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan

IDAHO FALLS - Lori Vallow Daybell's niece and her new husband are speaking in-depth about their relationship with the mother whose two children, Joshua “JJ” Vallow and Tylee Ryan, have been missing since September.
Melani and Ian Pawlowski were married last November after dating for less than two weeks. Melani lived next door to Daybell in Rexburg during the time her children were missing. Ian is currently involved in a custody battle with his ex-wife, Natalie Pawlowski, and Melani is in her own custody dispute with her ex-husband, Brandon Boudreaux. Brandon was shot at in October and believes Alex Cox, his ex-wife’s uncle, was the shooter.
The Pawlowskis now live in Arizona and spoke with EastIdahoNews.com via Zoom Saturday with their attorneys, Garrett Smith and Robert Jarvis.
Below is a transcript of the second part of their interview. It has been lightly edited for clarity. You can watch and read the first part of our interview here.
Nate Eaton, EastIdahoNews.com: When is the last time you saw JJ and Tylee?
Melani Pawlowski: Ian has never met them but the last time I saw them they were packing up their home in Chandler where Charles had been shot. I remember how emotional it was just to be there. It was where this big thing happened. And Tylee thought it was hard being in the house after that situation happened.
And Lori - sometimes she's had to do things to protect her kids. The court systems haven't protected her and Tylee and Colby were abused by their dad, Joe. The court system didn't protect them and she had this history of doing everything she could to protect Tylee and JJ. I've always seen that in her since I was a teenager and she flew me out to go nanny for Tylee and JJ. I've never seen any evidence, or anything at all, that tells me that Lori would purposely harm her children. It's hard all the attacks out there. I still see her as the wonderful mom she is. When I see her come in court, I'm looking for something off that I'm not seeing. Because I've had every fear of where they could be but the last time I saw them was the end of August as they were moving because I think they moved up that first week in September.
Eaton: Did you visit Lori in Rexburg before you moved there?
Melani: I did I think on a weekend. My ex, Brandon Boudreaux, and I have 50/50 custody and so anytime it wasn't my time with my kids I was a wreck and just missed my kids. I tried to go hike in Arizona or go on a trip and I did go visit Lori for a weekend up there (in Rexburg). She said, 'Just come. Try out somewhere new and come see if you like it up here.' We toured BYU-Idaho and she said Tylee was with friends. She always was with friends so I didn't ask any questions about that. And JJ is either doing some type of therapy or with a nanny or in a school that will help him. So if I didn't see him, I wasn't asking, 'Where is he?' I just have always trusted her.
I had known that they left to Idaho because they were being threatened by people. I didn't want to ask so many questions and I didn't know what to do with that. And I was just there for love and support and I just wanted to be there to help you guys (Lori).
The entire interview can be watched at EastIdahoNews.com.

[@robtintelnot9107]

She can't answer a simple question without a drawn out story. Never trust anyone who talks too much. She's lying.

[@somejackball]

yep, and she's trying to cover for herself, and Lori. this woman carrying a lot of guilt

[@suelambert5760]

Exactly!

[@missnucci2696]

@@@somejackball them must be some heavy shoulders she's got 💯🤷🏼‍♀️

[@artisticwhistleblower1756]

I talk too much, yet I tell the truth. This woman is clearly trying to create a story/lying.

[@voges1001]

Artistic WhistleBlower lol well she mentions like 10 unrelated things that have nothing to do with the question.

[@lisas8244]

Melani has a career waiting in politics. I have rarely heard someone talk so much and say so little.

[@luns486]

Right? She's a prime candidate to be Trump's next press secretary.

[@ostapbendervan7874]

Its call skill Eat up time Then give answers in the end

[@patty8232]

@@luns486 idiots all 10 of you

[@zenosperformance1125]

@@patty8232 😂 true

[@ufonorway9993]

@@ostapbendervan7874 Guess you mean; It's eating up time, which is a skillset in which your filling empty space with BS eventually serve some crappy answer ( LIE) at the end, right? Agreed

[@marycielo5329]

She missed her kids so much she moved to another state? Makes a lot of sense! Arrest her for aiding and abetting!!!

[@anthonygrau2506]

Every thing Charles said was real

[@zenosperformance1125]

Charles wanted to save those kids. God rest his soul 🙏💙

[@monicawestrn]

And everything her biological father did and said was in her best interest

[@Mexipina]

she is a liar..when they ask about the missing kids she starts talking about her own kids and never answers the missing kids question

[@riaglopop]

Absolutely agree with you

[@Taylory1221]

Gotta think to there’s a open investigation I’m not defending her at all cause I think she’s a nut and knows exactly what happen to the kids but I don’t think she can really fully answer some of those questions that’s why she’s dancing around them

[@1strights]

Ria B Absolutely.

[@lisaeischens2352]

Why does she not know where her own kids are?

[@shawshank6015]

Once I read your comment I left this nonsense not wasting my time, sick of everyone dancing around these missing kids.

[@Ahlly144]

She is blabbering around the questions. Not a simple straight answer!! Liar!!

[@michelleh7828]

You are right. She should work for trump.

[@melissamarie6943]

She isn't "sure" about anything that is asked. Talks in circles, waist of time interviewing her.

[@Soulbrothersunny]

@@michelleh7828 😂😂😂😂 so true!!!!

[@Tseana1]

She’s just as coo coo as Lori. She knows waaaaay more than what she is saying. She talks in circles.

[@lovelysphynx7396]

Absolutely 100% she’ll be arrested

[@kevingalgay]

@@lovelysphynx7396 it’ll be hard to make a case against her unless Lori or Chad implicates her.

[@francinelarsen3303]

I don't trust this woman at all. Ian is an idiot to get involved with this horror of a family. Yeah, Melani, we saw you go up there to see (or rather steal) your kids. Glad someone had the smarts to finally arrest you. She needs a FULL review.

[@dareneq1]

The entire Cox family is coo coo

[@sarahsmith995]

She doesn't really talk about the case she just wants to slander her ex

[@dianaw5100]

Yes, and Charles, Kay and anyone else who's normal. It's very clear that she's lying through her teeth. She has a detailed explanation for everything except where the kids are.

[@sisterbarbie2045]

I really believe she tried to have him killed!

[@donnybrasco1977]

We know now that she is lying! Charles never cheated. She was making it sound like she actually saw all kinds of women on his laptop.

[@amberj8879]

"JJ was high energy." Notice the past tense she uses when discussing JJ. This is sad to watch.

[@ThomasFortJr]

I noticed that too.

[@dianenolan8645]

This was really sad to watch after finding the children in Chad's backyard. If Melanie P didn't give them clues to where they were, she'll probably go to jail too. You can't be dumb enough to not believe all the ppl trying to keep her from the Cox side & everyone else are the bad guys....it makes no sense. I'm sure Lori told her everything & also Melanie G said those kids are not on this planet anymore. They all act like death is nothing new. Ppl dying all around her & its just another day. Wow

[@rochelleearel1730]

Yes I cought that too she kept slipping and refuring to the children in the past tense

[@LadyGreenEyes964]

Yeah, shows she knows.

[@GlennaVan]

Every interview she gave, she referred to him in the past tense.

[@MsValley28]

This is eye opening, watching these 3 videos, again, after the children have been found. Also, what has come out is not only was Brandon was labeled a zombie, but two of Melani's children were labeled as zombies by Chad and Lori. Thank God she did not get the children.

[@fernandaolivares7926]

Two of her children were labeled zombies? Omg thank God for Brandon and the police officers that went to arrest her the day she was sneaking into the house to take the children!

[@sandee-zn9tq]

TG Brandon & Am Fork Police were not duped! Both told her to GTH OUT!!!

[@Ruby-60]

She’s full of it, I don’t get it why she’s not being charged honestly!

[@johnengland8619]

They are religious nutbags

[@tranquiloensocali]

It’s called ‘diarrhea of the mouth’ and Melani has a pretty bad case...

[@dabrizwongz4415]

😂😂😂😂👍

[@sonnieM]

We call it being a gob shite 😂

[@Eripink1234]

This lady needs to be in jail as well

[@jeaniechampagne8831]

Prison for mentally disturbed

[@justsayin5865]

You talk so bad about Charles. Even Colby says he was a wonderful husband,father,and step father. He lived with him so he knows him better than you and he wasn't drinking Lori's kool-aid like you are!!!

[@louchris9001]

I loved how she was talking trash about Charles, yet her aunt was having an affair with Chad while she was married to Charles!!! She's trying to convince us Lori is NOT the monster we all think she is!!!

[@justsayin5865]

@@louchris9001 So true and she tried blaming Charles and Brandon for making up this whole cult zombie thing. But after watching Mel Gibbs interview we know for a fact these teachings did come from Chad and Lorie. She said she didn't know about their beliefs but then said Lori and Alex where her best friends. Mel. G also said Alex definitely believed in the zombie thing. So if she only hung out with Alex and Lori wouldn't she know about their faith. She acts all "christian" knowing her aunt and Chad where having affairs. I'm sure she knew everything Mel G. Knew. Both Melanies use the same word when it came to Lori "Best Friend". You usually call someone a best friend cuz you know things about them that others don't. Just sayin!!

[@Tymala1]

And what about Joe? Did he really abuse Lori and the kids or was he her first victim?

[@ChairYogaForTheAgeless]

@@Tymala1 He went down first. Professional counselors have said no abuse happened.

[@GumshoeGram]

I wouldnt let her babysit my pet rat.

[@melissamarie6943]

😂😂 How can Ian marry her when she doesnt have custody of her own kids?

[@BethStoss-zt4dm]

I’m glad Brandon has the children full time! She is cracra and she knows much!

[@emilym155]

She’s talking so much about random crap in these interviews,I have a feeling they will come back to haunt her when investigators piece together her story and realize it doesn’t make sense.

[@SP.Addams]

Emily M I agree. At one point she says “I’ve had every fear in the world of what could have happened to them”. It hits me weird.

[@lillani4527]

Ikr her lawyers didn’t stop her, do they not care?

[@kimboslice9445]

Bingo

[@mjdsouthsf]

Yep, they can't deflect. The investigators have all the time in the world to pick their stories apart--once their suspicions are roused.

[@carolynjohnson418]

I hope they do haunt this idiot the whole family are liers

[@MauiGirl]

She keeps dancing around the questions...

[@TunTavernWarrior2]

MauiGrl it appears to be the case. Lots of hand gestures.

[@katefulmer8595]

She is just like Leticia! She even said she wasn't all that upset that the authorities knocked down her door and took her things because they are doing an investigation. It reminds me when Letecia said how she was ok with how detectives tracked her and Harley down and threatened them in the mall. I think if you're innocent, you wouldn't take those things so lightly. They just want to seem like friends with the police even if they treat you like you are guilty of something.

[@cbrooke16]

💃 💃 💃 💃 💃 💃 💃

[@linanicolia1363]

Born to lie, manipulate and deceive. Killing ? well, her loving aunt is doing it, so, I expect she may be interested. Her ex husband almost got shot by likely old hit man Alex. What a family !

[@bellasmini]

I wonder if she's wearing dance shoes?

[@emilym155]

Well they found children’s remains on chads property I wonder what Melanie has to say now?????

[@VionaRG]

She agreed two of her children were zombies - hence liable for killing - as well as her husband who had to go into hiding with their children. Where's her accountability?

[@johnkoon789]

They (Lori and the children) didn't leave for Idaho because they were being threatened, Lori was involved with Chad Daybell and that is why they moved. There were no children around in November when Melani moved to Rexburg. Melani wasn't suspicious when Lori and Chad moved to Hawaii without their children? Finally, LORI was the one having an affair with Chad at the time Charles was assassinated, and Melani definitely knew about this.

[@francineproulx2535]

Melani is twisting the truth. She wants truth then Melani tell the truth then. I don't believe her and Ian.

[@therealz360z7]

Melanie moved away from her kids she knew she wasn't suppose to bring her kids to Chad's 144,000 .if she was such a wonderful mother why move away from them.

[@EmmaKnightleyNo1]

Plus, she says "oh it was a planned move by Chad and Lori to Hawaii" the SAME TIME she moved away (total coincidence she claims) the DAY AFTER the police comes asking about the children. Girl, the rest of the world is not as limited as you.

[@EmmaKnightleyNo1]

The narcissism, right, Melani, when you accuse others of the things YOU DO and manipulate everyone with lies lies lies. As if you weren't a Chad disciple. Slandering a dead man who was completely innocent. To think she now has shared custody of her children with Brandon.....

[@generationx9294]

@@EmmaKnightleyNo1 Yup 👍🏽

[@girlnextdoor0703]

She's lying. She moves to be near Lori but then says she never sees her. She says shes all about kids kids kids, but never manages to ask about JJ or Tylee. She said Lori told her to move to be near her but in another interview she said Loris move to Hawaii was planned, so why would she move to be near Lori if Lori was already planning to move away? And Ian has gotten sucked in. I hope his ex wife keeps their kids far away and keeps herself in hiding since exes dont live long in this group.

[@jaynine4133]

There's so much wrong with what Melanie is saying. Example: "JJ loved his school in Rexburg"??? Did he attend that school for any significant period of time? It makes one question everything she claims.

[@Spookiechoo]

I agree 100%

[@dianaw5100]

Lori is such a great mom! Hasn't seen or spoken to her kids in 8 months or so. If she had hidden the kids somewhere 'for their safety' how does she even know that they're still safe? To go to the extreme to hide them so no one would ever find them, and never hearing from them should be terrifying for any mom that truly cared for her children.

[@anastasiabeaverhausen2996]

When she’s trying not to answer the questions she says “I guess” way too much.

[@markadavid5377]

Natalie Palowski appears to be the only genuine, concerned person, between Melani Boudreaux Palowski, Ian, etc. Melanie knows what happened. She clearly lies. Maybe the lawyers sitting just off camera have schooled her into saying shit about her own children and skip Tylee and JJ...I bet she's been offered immunity. As for her children, Brandon Beaudraux should keep them in hiding, period!

[@pennysue8849]

Your ex and children are alive because he was smart enough to get the hell away from you!

[@LaLaLonna]

After seeing whats coming out in the trial, and some of the things Melanie did leads me to believe she should be in prison right along side Lori.

[@billnalder1017]

Well, sounds like little Melanie could have an excellent career as a disinformation officer for the CIA!!!!!

[@charliecharlton9782]

Mormons are very interbred and it shows

[@lisas8244]

@@charliecharlton9782 All the Mormons in this story are so creepy.

[@thisidahomomreports]

@@charliecharlton9782 That is really inappropriate and rude. MP may be off but there is no reason to act like a bigot and bring a whole religion into all of this.

[@stangarone1624]

She's perfect for the Trump administration.

[@ostapbendervan7874]

Not funny She amazing I see so much skill Other see dodgy This is how you Conduct interviews Not ahh ahhj So give her credit I.love it You know EXACTLY what.i am.sayin This is special skill StASIHAUS..I LOVE IT INFORMATION SOCIETY WISE.

[@leighshell1784]

EIN, go back and interview BRANDON and KAY. For REBUTTAL. I think she’s full of bull. She keeps circling back to her OWN agenda, wants, needs, and throws IN a bunch of fluff about Lori and Alex (lest we forget about just how WONDERFUL they are). I noted there was not much about Chad in her droning-on rhetoric. She kept offering up word-vomit on her OWN case, but taking stabs at Kay, at authorities, at Brandon. Somebody needs to remind this chick, CHARLES did NOT “pass away”. Alex killed him. I also noted that the WHOLE FAMILY SURE had communication with each other and with everybody ELSE in the family on all events and matters, EXCEPT when it came down to two missing children. Then, they became apathetic, unconcerned, mute, “trusting Lori”, etc.

[@shrutefarms4741]

Leigh shell the only reason I’m glad they are interviewing this complete lying idiot is her words will come back to haunt her and get her some serious time like her wonderful aunt.

[@angiegrneyez]

he asks her about JJ and Tylee missing and when she found out, and she says 2 weeks into November, then oh no, no, no, then around Thanksgiving they "texted" her that her apt was broken into ... and she talks about what could have been stolen, and then says the police actually broke in but NEVER says anything about missing kids ever!!!

[@fernandaolivares7926]

And that Brandon was probably behind the burglary...🙈

[@JJ-qb6kz]

How uncomfortable and nervous was melani when Ian gets to speak

[@1notstressed]

Totally.

[@1notstressed]

Letecia Stauch. So similar in sooo many ways!! Good lord.

[@susanbezecny1353]

Bla bla bla. Lies and lies and more lies. This family keeps blaming everyone else for their bizarre behavior

[@pcarter1778]

Maybe it's just me but it seems like everything she says is Malarkey. Where are the kids? Where are the kids?

[@goose7574]

You lived next door to Lori and you want people to believe that you didn't think it was strange that the kids weren't there? Come on!

[@puffkat68]

IAN, they found the bodies today. Just RUN, get away from that family, get a divorce and thank god you are still alive. Your wife knew something, it is a cult, she knew. RUN.

[@denisekinzle1672]

She had a baby right off the bat!

[@bethechange3youwanttosee461]

he probably knows too. how could he not?

[@tipsygypsy711]

Is this a job interview?? She is really selling her story hard.. better actress than Amber Heard.

[@1strights]

missbliss711 Real hard.

[@catherinewilson9894]

If I have to hear her say how Lori "protects " her kids one more time....

[@aprillittle595]

I think they're about on the same level ...

[@sequentivero3060]

No one in this family takes any responsibility for their actions. It's always someone else's fault. If they think these interviews are going to change anyone's minds, they're sadly mistaken.

[@tauresattauresa7137]

Typical narcissists

[@Mykids-yq1kl]

Exactly!! How dare she call Charles the cheater and a narcissist!!!! There IS a textbook narcissist in that situation and it AIN’T Charles!!

[@peaceoutlisar9500]

Interesting listening to this again after now hearing the trial of Lori. Unbelievable

[@m00nk1n]

And even more interesting listening to it after Chad's trial.

[@littletime100]

Why does she keep blaming Kay? If she has seen the texts then where are they? Kay and Charles are the only ones concerned for these children in that family. Ian better get out while he can.

[@ruthwalton3457]

So agree 😢 run for the hills Ian run as fast as you can😢

[@texasgina]

Also Lori’s oldest son is very upset and is close to Charles and Kay. These 3 and the police and the rest of the country care more than Lori and her niece

[@billnalder1017]

Lori was infuriated with Kay that she got Charles's estate and she didnt!..thats why Lori killed JJ, simply to spite Kay bc she knew how much Kay loved JJ...

[@emilym155]

Too late for him to get out, it looks like she’s already pregnant with his child.

[@littletime100]

@@emilym155 God I hope not but does look like it.

[@robinmorelli8759]

I call BS to all that she is saying. She looks beaten down and tired!

[@raeducky2994]

Robin Morelli agreed she looks like she put on some weight... good!!! no sleep for the wicked.

[@Luv2LuvEm]

She has put on weight. She’s pregnant.

[@maryannebrown2385]

Rae Ducky She’s pregnant.

[@francescawilliams8177]

Wickedness is heavy.

[@francescawilliams8177]

MaryAnne Brown is Ian pregnant too?

[@sandihill]

So she spent all her time with Alex the man that more than likely had a hand in horrifically killing/mudering two children. Wrapped JJ in tape put him in plastic bags and buried him in a paddock. The horrific murder of Tylee dismembered and burnt. Also her bad mouthing Kay the person that actually did love and care what was going on with JJ. What a bunch of disgusting people. Repeating Lori's lies about Charles disgusting.

[@Tess-163]

And she still repeats the lie that Joe Ryan abused Tylee and Colby this has been proven to be a lie

[@Madmarsha]

"There's nothing proving Tylee and JJ have come to any harm." Want to try that one again, Ian?

[@lea24457]

Ian’s comment didn’t date well 😢 bunch of crazy ass people

[@lisamarie5223]

😅

[@purplebutterfly5118]

Why cant she answer the questions being asked

[@francescawilliams8177]

purple butterfly her rambling and her voice in general is annoying the heck out of me.

[@RaoulThomas007]

She is just reciting the talking points provided by her attorney. She is distancing herself completely from Lori. That’s why her interview sounds so disjointed. It is illogical!

[@notnormansmother3617]

Charles was the baddie, having affairs and making threats... okayyyy but what about Lori’s affair and Planning a wedding before Chad’s wife died? What about kids no one has seen? Charles hasn’t threatened since July. Why was Lori planning to get married to someone with a wife??

[@texasgina]

NotNormans Mother Amen

[@MultiSirens]

Oh surely you re that naive? Wouldn’t be the first to do it!

[@zenosperformance1125]

Exactly. Shows intent. Premeditated.

[@carina-jaipaul1342]

Where is the evidence that Charles was cheating? I think that’s all BS .. Lori is absolutely nuts.. She lied about her husband Joe in order to get rid of him and move onto her next victim.. Melanie is taking absolute rubbish.. She believes all of Lori’s lies…

[@MurielCovington]

There's no evidence Charles was having affairs. Lori was/is the master manipulator and liar. Makes me wonder about Joseph Ryan - he was always trying to get custody of Tylee. Maybe he wasn't the bad person Lori made him out to be either. In hinds sight, his death seems very strange. We'll never know the truth - Lori had him cremated!

[@ivyyoung521]

Melani needs to be charged, we all know she knew about all the craziness.

[@trailertrish]

How could she think/say Lori is a wonderful mother? Shes literally in jail for abandoning her kids and wont prove that they are still alive.

[@normaserna9962]

Sounds like aunt lori trained her really good to be a good faker

[@malibudolphin3109]

Go watch interview with Lori's mom & sister...creepy family through & through

[@lufflyleigh]

She’s batshit.

[@bettywith2girls]

@@malibudolphin3109 I wouldn't say "creepy"...I'd say they are very loyal to family members. Lori is Melanie's Aunt, whom she loves, and will not say anything bad about. When people called Melanie, who would know the 'new' Lori, Melanie just didn't want to believe it and is "confused" a lot. I've heard Colby say Lori was an excellent mom and I do believe him...she probably was until she met Chad Daybell and his Zombie theories. Charles probably w-a-s seeing other women, he married Lori, who had 2 kids and he would have been (and was) her FOURTH husband...yet he didn't bat an eye marrying her. When they 1st got together, I've heard that Charles would do anything for her, he was so much love. Trust me...someone who is that quick to fall in love, will fall out of love, just as quick. Melanie is just trying to defend "family" just like Lori's sister and mother (in the other interview you reference). They also didn't say anything bad (she was a good mother & person, before she completely changed). Lori will not talk to either one now, and sounds like not Melanie either...nobody knows where the kids are but, defending family, they are sure Lori has her reasons and they are safe somewhere. Her mom even tried to get word to Lori (remember, Lori now won't talk to her mom nor sister) to just get a pic of the kids with something that says the current date, just to prove the kids are alive and well..."surprisingly" they are confused why Lori won't do this. Oh Lord...the kids are passed away, sadly, and THAT'S why. Who is Lori protecting the kids from? Nobody.

[@therealz360z7]

@@bettywith2girls you should read the documents from her divorce Lori went are far as convincing her kids to say they were molested both kids recanted cause it was obvious to professionals that deal with lies like Lori those kids weren't able to keep there story straight.

[@Purpletoes]

Who lives next door to their aunt and doesn't ask where her kids are??? This woman moved to live near her aunt so they are abviously close....liar liar pants on fire Melanie. Trying to deflect and blame Kay isn't credible at this point.........

[@Ahlly144]

exactly..

[@melissamarie6943]

Well she was too busy decorating, that kept her pretty occupied for a couple months....😐

[@virginialuna1561]

What does this lady have to say now that they found the bodies??? She still in her aunt's side?

[@karenmilford7809]

Don’t you know? She was trying to protect them!! 🤮

[@karenbaldry8096]

Yep, I would love to hear from her now. I dread to think what Ian is thinking.

[@hollyfabiani]

And skips out on the trial. Welcome to the family Ian.

[@debsea2759]

Ian better sleep with one eye open, with this lady beside him.

[@jaimec3159]

How do you feel NOW, Melani??? 😡😡😡😡😡

[@margenek]

Damage control. That’s their purpose of these interviews. Stories about people who can’t defend themselves because they are now dead. Too many 'ands' and 'ums' and 'you knows'. Would love to see a body language review on them.

[@reesee9669]

And duping delight. Who laughs at any of this??? I was in this cult. They are master manipulators. THE WHOLE CULT.

[@margenek]

Deedee... I so agree. Some of it is her age. Oh gosh, hope that doesn’t offend, but it seems there is a majority of people from a certain age bracket to the young people of today that can’t speak without saying certain words such as 'like' 'um' 'and uh' 'you know' the list is growing. I am 68 and listening to the young people today is so painful. Not all, mind you, but the majority. Melanie is definitely brainwashed and probably from birth if that is possible. Her story we heard in this long interview is not her story, but that of those who have influenced her. And, she isn’t telling what she knows, but she is covering for them. Those attorneys either are hooked up with the cult we have read about or just plain stupid. If they think that interview helped anyone, they are mistaken. All the ex's in their custody cases have to do is show a judge that interview and they will never get any kind of custody. The old saying 'doth protest to loudly' certainly pertains in this interview and the interview of Lori's mom and sister.

[@BrittanyS143]

These woman sure do like to look at the men next to them with this stare as they talk lori stared at her female lawyer like that batting her eyes lol. Melanie does that to.

[@reesee9669]

You are very observant. You have to understand the cult. They are putting on a display. I know I used to be apart of the cult til I escaped at 15. The outside world is shown this, but inside the cult it is 💯 different. The cult is a total masaginistic society, ran by a bunch of sadistic, masaginistic, narcissistic, pedophilic MEN. The wives like lori, and Melinie are mind-controlled to be the willing scapegoat. They will throw themselves under 10 buses, after they throw their children first. They will, lie lie lie even have special handbooks how to do it. The whole world is being manipulated by the cult. They are pushing the narritve for everyone to look at LDS and Mormons. They have thousands of members all over the world that will do what is told if them, no matter what.so it's easy to place trolls in all these rooms. They will try to discredit this comment because I present factual evidence and these idiots are following it to the letter. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laHImaquZsx0pNk Start at 8 min mark. The doomsday cult is none other than the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. That's the only doomsday cult that teaches the 144000 are going to heaven and rule as gods bs. That "light v dark "bs .... All Jehovahs witnesses. Watch the link and you will understand this case, her attorneys actions.... every thing. Buckle up it's one deep rabbit hole.

[@Wistful77]

@@margenek I agree with you.

[@Littlething41]

Nate: When was the last time you saw Tylee and J.J Melanie: So they were packing and the court system, and they were never protected and there's just no evidence that I've seen that Lori would ever hurt her kids.

[@francineproulx2535]

Weirdest answer

[@carolynjohnson418]

If Mel mouth is moving it's a lie

[@samsmom400]

So, now it's come out that Tylee and JJ remains have been found on Chad Daybell's property, near a huge fire pit. Interview Melanie now.

[@enlightenmentbarbie]

You were a wreck without your kids, girl you left them with Brendan with a week notice to move. 🤯 The way she runs around her words is just terrifying

[@autumnrice6096]

I can’t find the comments, but I know I can’t be the only one watching this in amazement at how she cannot even answer a single question directly! “When was the last time you saw the kids?” ..... 5 mins later and still no direct answer whatsoever.

[@Siora-sp2do]

She said August was the last time she saw them. She talks to much it's easy to miss.

[@Spookiechoo]

If Lori is so wonderful Melanie and would never hurt her kids then where are they ?? Ugh makes me sick listening to these lies !!!!

[@pinkpugginz]

Only chad knows

[@erikac8612]

Yup especially how Melanie said she was a wreck without her kids. Lori didn't give two shits about those kids or their whereabouts. What kind of enemies do young children have? That they have to go into hiding + their abusive dad was already dead. They are trying to blame the dad for the kids disappearance but clearly it was Lori. Melanie is trying to make it sound like it's normal not to know where your kids are🤣

[@reesee9669]

She is apart of this and the cult. Now the husband is being drug into this. she knows too many intimate details. And the duping delight is disgusting.

[@erikac8612]

@@reesee9669 She sure does but isn't saying to save her ass. If someone was after my nieces or nephews I would want to know everything. So I could destroy who ever wanted to hurt them. Melanie is taking a weird approach to the situation & seems to be concealing things. She just keeps making excuses for Lori's actions & behavior- this is all the interview does. Weird family & those poor kids didn't stand a chance.

[@reesee9669]

@@erikac8612 she's taking the cult approach. I know I used to be apart of the cult til I escaped at 15. The world is being duped by these expert deceivers. But thats ok, the feds are already inside the cult to finally get a hold of a secret child trafficking and pedophile database, these idiots enabled that to happen because their narcissistic behavior will not allow them to STFU. It's crazy how crazy this is going to be.

[@pantherwmn70]

Liar if 'rooms were set perfectly up for Tylee & JJ '....WHY would she tell the police it was not Lori' s home??? Not the first time she's lied!!

[@clementine77]

Both Melanie and Lori both accuse their ex-husbands of infidelity, yet they both were the ones cheating on their then husbands. And Kay was not harassing Lori, she was begging Lori to talk to JJ. Kay and the Rexburg police had caught Lori in a lie and that was the catalyst that started the investigation...how hard is it to materialize your own kids?

[@Ahlly144]

Even the husband ,now backtracking his words. Blaming on the, ex wife and ex husband and others. Both are lying 🤥

[@pinkpugginz]

Ian Pawlowski is ridiculous. At first he was doing the right thing and now he's backpedaling acting like he never said any of that stuff. He gave his ex wife his laptop with a huge amount of very scary info related to the cult and the attempted murders/murders. He got Melani pregnant and married within 2 weeks. He's nuts too! He had a chance to really find those kids and he blew it and blabbed to her blowing his cover.

[@dianaw5100]

@@pinkpugginz Melanie, Lori and Chad must have made Ian a god now too.

[@lufflyleigh]

Why do people let her ramble on the way that she does?? Jesus Christ! Just answer questions.

[@ostapbendervan7874]

ITS.CALL COGNITIVE SKILL IN SPEAKING NO Y@LL THIS WHAT YOU CALL SPOKEPERSON MATERIAL DONT.CRITICIZE LOOK AND LEARN YOU MAY NEED.THIS ONE DAY LEARN TO SPEAK WITHOUT GIVING FULL DISCLOSURE I KNOW WHAT U SAYING BUT USE THIS FOR SOMETHING ELSE EH TUTORIAL OF NOT AHH AHHH AHHH AHHH THIS IS GREAT THIS IS HOW YOU DO NOT LIKE IDIOTS WHO CANT SPEAK

[@sylviaruiz754]

I think they want to get all they can out of her. So they just let her ramble on.

[@goose7574]

I wonder if he still feels the way with what just happened within the past 48 hours. He was fearful, because there was a real reason to feel that way.

[@Bama32]

Help me understand. You're in a new town and missing your kids. A town that your aunt suggested you come check out because she knew you missed your kids when it wasn't your time to have them so she urged to come and see new things. Cool. That's a good aunt. BUT, you seek comfort in your kidless uncle instead of your aunt that you adore, who lives right next door, who happens to have two kids that you could spend time with since you're missing your own. And you didn't want to ask questions, you were just there to support her, when she's the one who urged you up there because of your needs and you missing your own kids. Couldn't she have at least been the one to keep you company since her kids were in college or 24/7 therapy that I've never heard of? That's your final answer? It doesn't matter how well you've rehearsed that lie, it still smells like total bullshit.

[@stephanniehairston3018]

Yes Melanie has issues too. And what is so funny during this interview? Why does she keep laughing? This family is very disfunctional..

[@brendarobson322]

She hasnt answered one question straight

[@sharonreeves4591]

I wonder what Ian thinks now....and how he is justifying the murders.

[@j.m.h.4046]

Like to see a new interview with this couple!

[@denisekinzle1672]

Yes because she had a a dark child!

[@lindastonebraker2512]

This is the best. These two stellar parents (sarcasm) dipped out on their own kids! Now they’re foolishly giving this marathon interview! Please keep talking... the detectives are listening and y’all’s going down too✌🏻

[@victoriaallen1857]

She repeats herself and thinks everyone wants to hear her stories. If she was so close to Lori why didn’t she insist on seeing her and the kids? Next door, come on! Blah blah blah!

[@Luv2LuvEm]

"They left to Idaho because they were being threatened" BY WHO??? _All_ the "dads" were dead. Tell me, _who_ was supposedly threatening them? Kay and Larry? IF, and that’s a big if, Kay and Larry were saying _anything,_ it was because Charles was dead and Lori had _told Charles_ they she wanted him _and JJ_ to "disappear." She told him she was done with him _and JJ._ Also, the last time Lori even contacted them was to throw a snarky text their way when she figured out she wasn’t getting the _million dollar_ insurance payout. So if Kay and Larry were trying to talk to her about JJ it was because they were _worried_ about him because they thought she was "done with him." Words out of Lori’s own mouth. I can’t believe Melani can sit up there and lie through her teeth like this. She obviously doesn’t care about those kids. _Complete strangers_ are more concerned about Tylee and JJ than she, their own cousin, is. Edit: ok now she’s actually coming out naming Kay Woodcock as the "threat." That’s BS. For the reasons I stated above. And disgusting to lie and call _his grandparents wanting to see him,_ "threats." OF COURSE they wanted to see him. They are his _blood_ relatives and in any interview you can see how much they love JJ and how he is their whole would. _The only reason_ Lori moved away is to _punish_ Kay and Larry because Charles left them the life insurance... _to take care of JJ_ because he knew Lori wouldn’t. (It’s sad that he predicted this and did everything in his power to keep JJ’s needs met, yet it backfired because Lori is selfish, heartless and vindictive.)

[@Madmarsha]

"Kay's causing a lot of trouble." Yeah, KAY'S the evil one asking where the kids are when their own mother knows the whole time they're dead. Melani's playing the same damsel-in-distress card that worked for Lori all this time.

[@michelleayres5608]

The rooms Lori set up perfectly for Tylee and JJ? The rooms were sparse. Then, they were empty. Melanie is reframing the story.

[@eztuner]

This woman is covering her own “case”, don’t believe her .. it’s easy to talk about those dead, they can’t refute her statements

[@lyncastleheights1521]

you are right. She doesnt know if they are alive, i.e. Lori, etc. But if they are missing or dead she definitively has knowledge and answers.

[@juanquiroz7569]

I agree... there are a bunch of lies in her statements. It would be easy to discredit if Charles had many women on the side. Let's not forget Lori and Alex reaction after Charles has been assassinated ... I believe in cold blod... because there are suspicious acts that were stated as facts. Lies, Lies, Lies...

[@pinkpugginz]

This gives a lot of backstory I like it.

[@reesee9669]

You are exactly right!!! I escaped this cult when I was 15. She is an elite cult member. She's wearing a high priestess necklace. That guy is just playing along. He has to. She is helping hide Tylee captive, and knows which cult member is holding her. More than likely Honduras or Peru. JJvunfortunately is dead the cult has no time for autistic children they cannot be mind-controlled or brainwashed

[@eztuner]

Theresa G Wow, good for you! I’m sad that you might be right mostly about JJ. Blessings to you 🙏🏻❣️

[@micheleroberts908]

I don't believe anything she says. But, her husband looks innocent as her ex. She is doing this just to get her children which, I think it would be maybe another ''Lori Vallow'' thing. Her ex was shot at and everyone knows who did that. Brother and Uncle just don't do it for kicks. There was more to it and she knows too. As long as she will be on the news from now, I WON'T WATCH THIS CHANNEL.

[@etital428]

Michele Roberts me too

[@heatherclarkiam]

I feel same about her being an evil liar, but I think it’s faaaaarr better to let her run her mouth and talk as much as possible so it can be used against her later! I love that these interviews are happening. The more info to hang her the better

[@MrDavenez]

WHAT FRIENDS DID TYLEE HAVE ? She was there a whole week !!!

[@susiew5012]

Just watching this today, May 11, knowing what we know now ... my heart breaks for those innocent people all over again. On some level, MP knew ... this is disgusting...

[@Peaceshiet812]

Same , watching it now , it’s sickening.

[@sharryh]

Some level!! She totally knew what was going on. She is a complete liar.

[@suelambert5760]

Melanie is trying to deflect all of this off her because she has a court case of her own to gain custody of her kids. I am sure her attorney told her she needs to start speaking to the media. Other sites have published her messages to Brandon regarding leaving the kids with him and now a change of heart and she wants them back and what she is saying doesn’t match up with her messages to Brandon. Ian clearly didn’t know what he was getting into!

[@anvildesigns1130]

Exactly. PR and damage control is all this blah,blah,blah is. Spin for her own case. She's still defending Lori, but it shouldn't be long before all parties in this turn to every man for themselves mode.

[@farahvogue6715]

I would sleep with one eye open if I were Melanie new husband

[@bethechange3youwanttosee461]

Ian married her in a rush ceremony without ever having met her kids. no good reason offered. maybe he didnt know what he was getting himself into and has other major "issues". Or maybe their's isn't just a "chance meeting" on a mainstream dating app. knowing what we know now about Julie Rowe/Chad/Lori and their beliefs? What a coincidence --all these fast marriages?

[@ptkr2272]

*"The hands: Liars tend to use gestures with their hands after they speak as opposed to during or before a conversation, says Traci Brown, who has participated in a deception training program with members of the FBI and occasionally helps work on investigations. “The mind is doing too many things including making up the story, figuring out if they’re being believed and adding to the story accordingly,” she says. “So normal gesturing that might normally happen just before a statement happens after the statement.” She refrains from answering a question directly, instead, she just talks and talks without giving the answer until the end. "Using words such as, ‘uh,’ ‘like’ and ‘um’: The research conducted at the University of Michigan found “speaking with more vocal fill” to be a common indicator of deception. Glass says that people tend to use these words more when they’re trying to buy time to figure out what they’re going to say next. She also does this: Phrases such as ‘I want to be honest with you,’ ‘honestly’ or ‘let me tell you the truth’: These can be signs someone may be trying a little too hard to convince you of their honesty, according to Glass."*

[@pinkpugginz]

Im a hand talker and not always lying. Younger people slang is: tbh every other sentence. I guess what you stated could be true.

[@francescawilliams8177]

The giggling too is demonic.

[@GlennaVan]

@@pinkpugginz I think she is saying *how* the hands are used while talking is the indicator. Many people talk with their hands.

[@fabbyserna8737]

SHE LYINGGGGG SHE ISNT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS LMAOOOOOO

[@m0j0w0rking]

hey Ian, when you thought "hey what have I gotten myself into?" --- hold that thought and RUN

[@j.stelladoro9012]

Talking too much but not addressing the questions. Ian looks like he is watching her every word- deer in the headlights. Trying to believe her

[@honeybee1888]

Run away Ian, now!

[@shanesharpnack6999]

Haha her husband is listening to every word she says!! He will put two and two together! Lies lies..

[@lisas8244]

No, that won't happen. He's already imbibed too much kool aid. Melani has him just where she wants him. These women can't live or survive a week without a man.

[@zenseed75]

@@lisas8244 I dont know. His seems to be adding stuff up in his head. See him get agatated while she is talking and starts shaking his bottle.

[@shanesharpnack6999]

@@zenseed75 yeah his body language is telling me hes adding something up lol!!

[@Lillebill710]

My dream scenario is that Ian actually been asked by FBI to be theres informant. Cant help it, but like you said, listens very carefully. Is it an act? Dont see love.

[@Lillebill710]

And if not. they should ask him. He looks confused.

[@truthseeker7997]

She won’t answer a damn question

[@suemoses9330]

I truly feel this woman is as guilty as the rest of them.

[@dianahernandez1709]

I thought Ian might be a decent guy at first but not anymore. He moved away from his two kids for someone he hasn't even known for a year? Melani is a selfish narcissist, hope she is worth it for you Ian.

[@manarmarzouk8595]

I’m worried about him 😢

[@lea24457]

He might not be as crazy as the rest of them but he’s still definitely not wired up right plus he’s LDS says it all 🤨

[@shootingstar7947]

Why is she talking about kids in past tense????

[@MrsMiss-mv5kt]

I feel bad for Ian... You know he's scared shitless... In his heart he knows she's full of shit, but he doesn't want to die!

[@k80did2]

Its really totally sickening that Lori ONLY plays the victim in every situation and EVERYONE in her sick little circle of friends buys it!!!

[@lcclark1307]

Narcissists have flying monkeys, people who believe their bs and walk on eggshells and do anything to keep the narcissist happy.

[@Horseymama1]

'WAS very high energy' ?????? That doesn't sound good

[@missnucci2696]

Ian just kicks back and lets her work her magic. "Mels got this. She's been trained by the very best of the best".💁🏼‍♂️ Her agenda is obvious. All so very calculated. Disgusting.

[@diannaparker4627]

Why is she not charged as well? Everything out of her mouth is BS.

[@Luv2LuvEm]

Really? What kind of "trouble" was Kay causing? She wanted to FACETIME JJ? Was she threatening to _visit?_ She got a life insurance payout that she never even _asked for_ because Charles didn’t want _his murderers_ to get the money they were so desperately after? Seriously Melani. What was all this "trouble" you say you KNEW ABOUT? KAY AND LARRY were _the only ones_ who truly cared about those kids. Why did _they_ have to call in a welfare check from Louisiana when YOU were _right next door?_ Why did your grandmother LIE on national television and say she spoke with JJ in October when we now know he was dead at that time. On that note, why did YOU lie when the police came and told them you didn’t know Lori lived next door? You, Summer, Janis, Lori, _all of you_ FAILED those children.

[@ohjena17]

listen... i dont believe her one bit bro.

[@carlacassady5738]

She knows more. What aunt that has children of her own would not at this point stop and be concerned and afraid for her niece and nephew? Even with her own divorce and custody you would care. You would also ask flat out whare is Tyle and JJ? She's holding back on details as well as covering either for her own knowledge or for her aunt Lory. Ian needs to wake up and have a plan. I pray the kids are as Melanie keeps implying just hidden away. It would truly be a miracle because the length of time its been since anyone has physically seen either of the two kids. It hurts my heart that not one person will come forward to bring those kids forward to ease the grandparents mind's and pain.

[@lyncastleheights1521]

she did leave her kids to move with Auntie Lori! that tells you everything.

[@Chaseh1616]

Yeah “hidden away” lol smh. In a polar opposite universe, even if this was all over a nasty custody battle. You think it’s right, necessary, or appropriate to “hide” a 17 year old girl that’ll be on her own in less than a year anyway? Yeah nice try. Lmao they’re all so full of shit

[@casscassidy]

Carla cassaday that's a different way of your name Very cool

[@staceyleenagavard7051]

JJ “was” high energy She doesn’t know anything? Common

[@a.b.d.3974]

This interview makes me sick to my stomach and I’m having a hard time watching it but it’s like watching a car accident you can’t turn away.

[@TheDoughboy2009]

once again they used the word WAS about the kids just like her mom and sister did

[@donnyleehicks]

Never answered the questions......... "Did you see? Did you ask?" Prayers for all of the children involved.

[@MarieKayali]

Now that the childrens remains have been found, all the liars will soon be exposed with their rubbish,They are like rats leaving a sinking ship , trying to detach now

[@XjtBA]

Notice she answers the questions by starting her sentence with “So”.

[@ewingshannon]

Yeah, like she's telling a story: So... blah, blah, blah.

[@deerloversheridan3038]

Melanie spent a lot of time with Alex cleaning his guns.

[@catherineseiler7407]

She spent a lot of time with Alex alright, planning the murder of her ex

[@lynetter604]

She's just digging her own grave.

[@pattimessenger6214]

Now that we know that the kids were murdered and their corpses were decaying in Chad’s back yard at the t8me of this interview, it is hard to watch this without anger. Melani learned from Lori how to always blame someone else and not accept responsibility for anything that goes wrong. I hate how she and Lori vilify Kay! Poor Kay and Larry just wanted to talk to JJ. We only know about the missing kids because of Kay! I hate how Melani vilifies Brandon. He was almost a murder victim too! Maybe if Melani could have shut her mouth about her problems with Brandon, and tried to work through their problems like adults, Alex wouldn’t have shot at him. She and her big mouth always blaming him for everything that goes wrong is insanely troublesome in his efforts to raise the kids without their mom. I understand he is suing her for slander. I hope he wins. That might make her think before blaming others for everything that goes badly for her.

[@donnatarawneh2014]

Yep! Lying through her teeth about Charles and Brandon, saying they were just fine with everything until they were confronted with their own bad behavior! Ugh! So disgusting! I think she is as twisted as Lory! This makes me question what she said about her own dad.

[@bubbabroad9051]

Ian should run

[@thisidahomomreports]

Omigosh, watching this after the kid's bodies were found. Trying to keep track of all the lies. I hope they nail this psycho and fast. God forbid MP is ever allowed to be around young children. Sick, sick, sick!