*REVEALED* - What Causes The Biggest FPS & Performance Issues in MSFS 2020

[@bencalhoun8216]

Video starts at 11:15. Thank me later

[@johnreder8167]

you're the G! My adhd cant watch the whole analyzation lmao

[@magicalsnek]

So the verdict is to it's LOD? We're 4 years in and that's the shocking result worthy of a "*REVEALED*" in the title?

[@csyoutubeacc]

Thank you😂

[@johnreder8167]

​@@magicalsnek youtubers need to to stay busy and post nearly every day . consider this as a random upload to keep his channel up in algorithm

[@deepredson]

@@johnreder8167 Same here.

[@Izmael1310]

Fenix + FSLTL traffic + ultra clouds = slideshow :D

[@FTStratLP]

Object level of detail is only affected by the objects in focus and not what is generally in the area even if it is only 10 metres behind you. You had almost no objects on screen in your first test. So if you had put the airport with its quite big car park in focus the result would have been different and quite an impact on fps would have been seen.

[@tvrubenjo4010]

Set everything on high setting then clouds on ultra, tweak some settings depending on if they cpu or gpu bound. The most effect has the Olod and tlod. If you have those settings correct then it's relative good fps on a descent computer. The stutters are the most annoying. Always delete cache (dirextX) and set the nvidia cache to zero and delete the msfs cache if you use it. For me this works. What's left are the mayor bandwith or server lag issues that sometimes a fps drop.

[@andrewlindhjem1662]

Thanks for your help. I have gone from around 15 FPS to 26! Cheers!

[@deanbavister]

Good video thanks Gavin! Luckily for me FPS is not an issue. What bugs me most is the occasional stutters, which seem to happen regardless of how good your PC spec is, which tells me that that's down to MSFS itself, and how Asobo manage background object loading tasks (e.g. when approaching a detailed airport or city). I really hope that MSFS2024 resolves the stuttering issues! As soon as I see the first stutter in MSFS2024 I think I might cry 😢 🙏 I've not had a single 'game' in my lifetime that stutters, and there's simply no excuse for it happening here either.

[@sparklab_za]

5800X3D, DLDSR and switching off the rolling cache got rid of 90% of stutters for me. Sure I still get stutters in complex tubeliners, HUGE airports and heavy traffic... but like you said, I guess that's to be expected....

[@Glider324]

Yep, there seems to be no way to get rid of the type of stutter you describe. I tend to get the occasional stutter on touch down which happens even on low settings.

[@masflow09]

@@Glider324i get stutters on third party addons like even free ones. I think is how msfs loads the objects in view when approaching.

[@imacmill]

Looks like you're gonna cry, if some of the early testers are to be believed.

[@deanbavister]

@@imacmill Nnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 😨😱😱😭😭😭

[@berniecase]

I recently solved a really annoying pause issue with my sim - Windows 11 was doing some sort of audit every 71 seconds on my printer. I timed it, the pause occurred reliably every 71 seconds, and showed up in the FPS counter as a gap in data usually lasting a couple hundred milliseconds. Very annoying. I eventually got down into the system event logs and found this audit event was getting logged when the pause was happening, and it implicated my printer. I simply removed the printer from the system and I haven't had that particular type of pause since. Performance issues like these are maddening to diagnose especially when I don't have access to tools that allow me to watch system calls being made. I guess I got lucky that this pause showed up in the event logs, but man, that pause was making flying pretty challenging (every 71 seconds).

[@4FOGIDNI]

Geez, shows some of us have done enough trouble shooting of windows + fs2020 we could list it as a job role on a resume! I’ll try that next! Thanks for the tip!

[@liveincork]

Can only speak for myself but think everyone will want this video as a benchmark to 2024. Perfectly prepared for it. We'll done having. 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@gervanwilliams1409]

Third party aircrafts have always been a big hitter for VR experience. Even while I have purchased most of them, I find myself defaulting to non-study level aircrafts just to be able to enjoy VR experience. Your test with the Fenix is best example of why. That plane is such an FPS hogger, despite them saying they’ve improved it and all. FBW is also the same.

[@H.Witcher]

I fly the HS B789, and found GSX Pro and FSLTL AI Traffic put significant hits on FPS. I experience stutters the most when flying near big airport and city mods (e.g., London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Charles de Gaulle Paris). Recently, I found the MSFS 2020 Map Enhancement mod increase load time by at least a double.most

[@shenmisheshou7002]

For many people, FPS is not as important as how smooth the app runs. Running smoothly at 30 FPS can be more enjoyable than having a lot of stuttering at 35 FPS and a lot of the graphics tweaking does not really do much with respect to the stutters. I practically eliminated stutters from my system by moving to faster RAM and turning on XMP and selecting an overclock profile in the BIOS. I am not a computer geek, but this was actually super easy to do, and the results were incredible. I can now fly smoothly into the biggest airports with real time traffic enabled. In 5 years of playing MSFS 2020, nothing came even remotely close to giving the improvement I got from over-clocked RAM.

[@sergioroleira1]

overclocked ram is set im gen3? tks

[@LokiDWolf]

I just have problems figuring out what adjustment I need so that straight lines don't look jagged when on an angle. My specs: GPU - AMD RX7700XT (using Adrenaline Edition) CPU - AMD Ryzen 7-7700X Memory - 32GB of DDR6 RAM Mobo - ASRock X670E Pro RS Everything looks great except, I still can't figure out what adjustments I need to have smooth lines. I've played with the sharpening and anti-aliasing to no effect. I know I must be close because so many things look better. It has to be a combo I'm getting wrong somewhere. It's so irritating. Because I know I have the hardware to give me great performance. Regardless of all that, thank you for the video. Every little bit helps! :)

[@chrisb6637]

I think the important thing missed here is pointing out what the bottleneck is. The top right shows either GPU or mainthread. GPU is obviously the GPU holding things back and if it's always showing GPU, no matter what settings then maybe think about upgrading your GPU. If it says mainthread then it's either your CPU OR RAM that's the bottleneck, check you have XMP enabled is a good way to get a boost. Certain settings like Terrain level of detail are VERY CPU heavy, so if it says mainthread you need to lower that or other CPU heavy settings.

[@hemiweight6697]

For me traffic does not really affect fps but is the greatest source of stuttering and microphones. Fps is not the major issue in FS. Consistent stable fps is the greatest challenge.

[@stefstaf]

for me too but I thought stuttering was the result of poor FPS

[@Extremegamer614]

Intel I9 13900k 4090 and 64gb ddr5 6600. For me I went bios and turned cpu offset to 0.075 which underpowered the cpu but prevented it from constantly hitting 100° and thermal throttling creating the stutters. Settings wise everything maxed TLOD to 100 OLOD to 100 Buildings on High Also if you use Volanta I’d recommend you don’t as it created a lot of freezes and crashes for me. Since stopped using it runs smooth ish now never going to be perfect I’ve also found that if using air traffic and all traffic turning off the tags gave me a bit more fps and stability in high built up airports like KLAX.

[@Aleksandar6ix]

At 0:50, what city is that? The clock tower looks massive compared to the buildings.

[@airborners]

The Holy City of Mecca, Saudi Arabia

[@tvflight7858]

It all depends whether someone is GPU VRAM RAM or CPU limited, though LODs will always have the biggest impact. In my experience when it comes to sceneries it very much depends on the devs. PYREEGUE EGNX and most of Drzewiecki Design airports are good examples that you can make a very detailed scenery with decent performance. On the other hand iniBuilds Aerosoft and JustSim don't offer as much detail yet for me the fps often drops below what's playable.

[@rs9219]

I recently discovered that for me oddly enough it is mostly the photogrammetry that hits. More specifically when it loads in as I get closer. I was on Final at Sarajevo. There was not much air or ground traffic (although cars in the city might have also made an impact) and of course clouds were in the mix, but I was fine until I got close to the airport when my fps grinded to a halt and I struggled to keep the aircraft in the air. Close to touchdown, my frames bounced back to manageable levels so I could at least land ok. I am using AutoFPS to mitigate this a little bit since it used to be even worse.

[@johnhowarth6156]

Do you have HAG on or off in graphic settings?

[@muratyagmur3657]

what about the live weather? without any presets...

[@lha987]

For my PC(R7-5700x | RX6600XT | 32GB RAM), AI traffic and Terrain LOD are the highest FPS impact options.

[@alanstringer9819]

Hi Gavin. It would be have been better to have used the A320 with a busier airport. I would say most flight simmers airliners

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

The idea was to keep things the same on a plain part of the world where performance is good so we could change one variable at a time. If we'd have started at a busy airport, the impact may not have been a noticible or easy to quantify.

[@vizzieizzy]

Honestly the biggest effect on the sim is the rig you're running. My old rig i was always trying to work out and compromise one thing for another. That was with a 30 series Nvidia. Dropped the coin on a new rig just for flight sim and everything is on ultra and smooth as butter. The only bottleneck I hit although very rarely is from cloud loading. Point is if you want ultra graphics and an amazing experience you need to buy a very high end gaming PC. It's worth it and will get you ready for MSFS 2024

[@progamergodlmao7254]

what are ur specs and avg fps? I have a pretty good pc but im only averaging around 50 fps on ultra

[@e_312]

hi, since the new update i get freeze every 5 minutes with a rtx 3090, is there any solution?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

Diet?

[@e_312]

​@@Easyjetsimpiloti mean freeze the traductor sorry

[@FlyingMaxFr]

My problem is with stutters, and sometimes my screen freezes for like 5 seconds, very annoying

[@eugene_blommaert]

Approaching Custom FeelThere, inibuilds airports with FSLTL traffic injection with the 737-800.

[@kennykanada]

Regardless of what I do, flying around NYC guarantees me CTD! I have SamScene and LGA addons, with FSLTL. No Ultra settings, LOD’s at 90. Anywhere else is smooth fps (12900, 4090, 64g, Crystal)

[@orangechris100]

My biggest hope for the new MSFS - it uses all the graphic card resources available. I have a 4090. No brilliant frame rate - yet graphics card woefully under utilised by MSFS

[@shanenicholson94]

Gavin, why don't you use lossless scaling?

[@masflow09]

i have tried it and increases my gpu temp by a lot like sometimes 10dg

[@stevesim5516]

Single core is always the issue!! Hopefully 2024 can actually allow us to use the GPU and multi thread A lot better

[@captain_mcgee7485]

Can you please share your FSLTL settings?

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

They vary depending on what I'm doing at the time. I never really use it as I'm always on VATSIM.

[@gingerninja7728]

Morning Gav in your opinion which is the less demanding AI traffic injector? FSLTL , FSTraffic or AIG? Cheers

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

@@gingerninja7728 it's not usually the injector per se, it's the different models. I found FSTraffic models to be slightly easier on fps.

[@gingerninja7728]

@@Easyjetsimpilot thanks Gav :)

[@leegilbert7551]

When flying Fenix, turn off HAGS 👍

[@zacdaily4280]

Hi I am REALLY STRUGGILING with installing gsx profiles I install them and out them in C//USER/MY NAME/APPDATA/ROAMING/VIRTIAULI/ GSX/MSFS/ AND copy the profiles into the folder when i load in to the sim it never shows the profile and and I'm starting to get fed up and when I go to the customize airport it comes up with is says New profile Ok and restart Create new empty profile and close I press Ok and restart it close and i re open it and press let me choose chose the profile and then save it then restart the sim and its still the default scenery please can i have some help

[@notleks2411]

I'll give you the proper answer: outdated dead UWP platform, and Xbox. Those are the two culprits.

[@alvarobravo177]

What is UWP?

[@AviationistPTFS]

@@alvarobravo177 microsoft store version.

[@lauritamel9703]

Eso me pasa ami de fps voy muy bien, pero cuando haces un aterrizaje por ejemplo en heawtron da tartamudeos pero voy 45 50 fps

[@elbapino6531]

yesy eys yes finally !

[@stefstaf]

A subject rarely mentioned is what hardware upgrade will improve your FPS or (as in my case with live traffic) reduce stuttering. CPU? GPU? RAM?

[@ClevaTreva]

For me, FSLTL Traffic Injection is the biggest hitter; takes 10-15fps off (at a large international hub). However, there is zero point simming without it, IMO. I'm waiting to see if Beyond ATC can provide respectable injection but with less of a hit. I'm sceptical at the moment... Out of interest, what's the fps hit when using SimFX / A320 mod?

[@TunisairSimPilot]

KEEPPP GOING EASYJETSIMPILOT EASST OR WEST EASYJETSIMPILOT IS THE BEEEEEEEEESTTTTTT

[@ChonkyMIG-15]

Recently got the PMDG 737-800, (took me way to long to get it), but I read it had a lot of performance issues and people complaining at low FPS, strangely I have higher FPS in this aircraft than any other I fly. Better frames than: A32NX, BAe 146, Fokker F28, ini A320Neo, EJet 190/195, A310, Horizon A319 (slightly less fps than A32nx). My worst performing plane in terms of fps is the B727F though. I do however suffer when approaching, taking off, or just standing on ground around Gothenburg Landvetter (ESGG) airport, which is sad, because I live in Gothenburg. The area around Gothenburg is VERY laggy to me, but other highly detailed photogrammetry areas does not for some reason.....

[@ItsRobert1]

Have you tried Lossless Scaling?

[@737simviator]

Great to see you got the pmdg 737-800, i agree best performance out of any plane. Try turning down your cubemap reflections and raymarched reflections and shadows, make sure glass cockpit refresh is on medium they are the settings they dont allow me to play on ultra

[@737simviator]

@@ItsRobert1 Agreed with robert aswell, if all else fails buy lossless scaling

[@SkyFusionTV]

I have an RTX3080ti and you'd think Ii'd be able to run MSFS2020 smoothly but no, it's occasionally stuttery at major airports or just weird lag

[@brunomiguelsilva8627]

Same here with a 3060 an I7 11400 and 32 ram 1080

[@brunomiguelsilva8627]

That's so bad weather is almost everything 😢

[@rahamanbhuiyan5317]

Honestly it comes down to your system.

[@TheMicj38]

You didn't return the TLOD back to 200 when you tested the OLOD. You had it set to 125

[@MidnightAviation-y7q]

Any fenix aircraft for me. It makes sense though has it is one extremely realistic aircraft and that makes up for the performance hit

[@thehitman9464]

Gavin Try the Framegen mod its a real game changer im wondering u didnt do before all this time

[@harpsinuno]

Loseless scaling changed everything, but sometimes I lose the scenery, aircrafts, jetways and so on... Maybe due to amount of needed memory?

[@rackum44]

I'm not sure of my graphics card but what would be a good one to get? My Sim runs pretty smooth with high settings but I would like it to be a little better

[@tvrubenjo4010]

Get the one with the most vram

[@rackum44]

@@tvrubenjo4010 okay thanks. I'm computer illiterate. Would you have an example?

[@FlyingCube6]

fenix a320 takes the biggest hit on performance. Cities with photogrammetry are very heavy hitting aswel as high quality sceneries aswel

[@christopheratkinson1690]

I have deleted everything Xbox related thru frustration and low and behold perfect frame rates even without the yellow duck😅 but traffic injection on fstl made a small loss. I have a mid range pc, and by accident messing with my settings it's now perfect, do not know why. A tip I received was to keep developer mode running in the background. It totally was a game changer no stuttering, smooth as silk. Why no idea but what a game changer. I am on ultra settings on a mid range pc. Happy days.

[@causeyt1]

Christopher, could you explain what you mean by deleting everything Xbox? I run MSFS on a midrange pc as well. Thanks.

[@pilotpawanc]

My screen freezes on final, irrespective of the airport

[@wrongwayfeldman5393]

Why can't they fix this problem? The Outbrk storm chasing sim had bad lag spikes but they solved it & now it runs smooth

[@travisbouton4056]

After last update it's.. let's just say I'm not buying 24.. can they get 2020. I've spent alot on non working add-ons.. can they refund the 120 plus non functional things they charge for. ? Just uggg

[@CptShaquilleOatmeal]

High density cities along with an add on airport. Anything INI builds really

[@kenbjackson]

I think screen resolution is often overlooked, as it was in this performance test. My FPS is significantly impacted by display mode and full-screen resolution settings. Is this the case for anyone else? My specs are Intel Core i9-13900K 24-Core 3.0 GHz, RTX 4080 and 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM, 4K monitor

[@carlmedina8952]

I use this on every aircraft config file I use as I use GSX [SERVICES] FUELTRUCK =0 BAGGAGE_LOADER =0 CATERING_TRUCK =0 BOARDING_RAMP =0 GROUND_POWER_UNIT =0 PUSHBACK =0 SMALL_PUSHBACK =0 MARSHALLER =0 JETWAY =1

[@alimsh2680]

The PMDG is definitely a lot more refined as opposed to the Fenix, when it comes to performance.

[@liveincork]

Or possibly the fenix is a lot more detailed

[@stevesim5516]

@@liveincorkyep! I mean at least it's got wipers that actually wipe 😊

[@TheAcousticCitizen]

These kind of tests are better done with heavy scenary, weather, and aircraft. Like LA/NY, thunderstorms and a Fenix. Good video still.

[@Easyjetsimpilot]

The point was to see the sim at its best - so the highest FPS possible, before adding features in. If we did this at an already demanding part of the world/airport, it would be more difficult to see the impact.

[@TheAcousticCitizen]

@@Easyjetsimpilot I get your point. But a small dent in performance in an empty scenery could be huge in a busy one.

[@MegatronRacing237]

Fenix is a fps killer. Pmdg is smooth

[@alphamike.aviation]

Even with RTX4060 the fps drops mostly at Flytampa EHAM . So I just deleted this airport.

[@caribbaviator7058]

Get a better gpu. I’ve had issues with FT products in the past. Now I have a 4080super. No issues.

[@alphamike.aviation]

@@caribbaviator7058 for EHAM airport to buy most powerful GPU? No reasonable! Other airports working perfect . I think developers need to optimize this airport.

[@stevesim5516]

@@caribbaviator7058nope......i bet it's your cpu not gpu that is limited!

[@luiscurtolo]

Hahaa do one of this with inibuilds' KJFK and Arosdoft's Frankfurt Would you dare? I'd be scared hahaha (I run on 5900X & 3060ti & 32gb on 2k)

[@slizzy418]

Actually, none of them should be a performance hitter with proper settings but since MSFS is a trash code you’ll never know the full capability of your PC and you will always bottlenecked by something

[@YouTube2020N]

I get around 350 in New York to 700 FPS .. with smoothest around 240 FPS . Very little LAG 350 FPS, some LAG 450 FPS and lot of drops on 650 700 FPS check my live and lossless FPS SAGA playlist LOD is main reason for drop Don't sent this above 150 Object LOD also 150 200 works. Rest all is almost ULTRA FG off or on makes no difference My Laptop GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Laptop GPU CPU: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13900HX Memory: 32 GB RAM (31.75 GB RAM usable) Current resolution: 2560 x 1600, 240Hz

[@davidkennedy7549]

What? 350 fps? Troll.

[@mathlets5046]

For me Lossless Scaling with AutoFPS was the game changer.

[@TheAcousticful]

Same with the Lossless :P Save So many games especially MSFS :P

[@pilotpawanc]

With lossless scaling the recording stops. What could be the reason?

[@Not_Lewis]

Yea this is not a long term solution. Ghosting and artifacting is a serious issue with this

[@I_Evo]

Same combination here, although I only really turn on Lossless Scaling when I know I'm going to a large airport where I know FPS will take a big hit. I do hope that MSFS incorporates something like AutoFPS, even just options for dynamic TLOD and OLOD would be great.

[@neil_g78]

It's not really a game changer if it doesn't work in VR

[@Rocky-zv1yk]

FSLTL tanks my performance.

[@jcsk8]

Clouds only looks decent on High. And they KILL fps.

[@deneb80]

Actually the problem (unsolved) is stuttering

[@denziiey]

it's AI traffic and terrain level of detail. These are the two cpu bottlenecks. If they re-do the engine to better scale the CPU this sim will achieve very high performance because even as it is i get high fps on average

[@bikermadstu4143]

Thats for 1080p

[@philipfabersa5393]

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[@alanstringer9819]

Hi Gavin. It would be have been better to have used the A320 with a busier airport. I would say most flight simmers airliners But very interesting

[@andy70d35]

Don't agree, Gav was showing what impact the settings have, on a very minimal airport to show just how much various settings change the fps. If he had used say Heathrow, then you could not tell so easy if it was the airport or the settings causing the large drop in fps.

[@aviatoralexlive5055]

Second 🥈

[@husseinajami5388]

You guys just have low end pcs lollllll im always at 60-130 fps with max settings only airport I get below 60 is with KJFK by inibuilds I get 35-50 fps.

[@azimutheddie]

You always share the same things. The things I watch have no value anymore. I'm unfollowing.

[@18hourgaming66]

Windows 11 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vUdo2jn7mZq68

[@purpleguyx-df5hb]

FIRST

[@wisehat_yt]

congrats ig?