Ebay seller caught selling a high quality fake magic card. How to check for fakes

Ebay seller sells me a high quality fake/counterfeit magic card. It's pretty difficult to tell that this card was fake without using a jewelers loupe. Counterfeits are getting more realistic, especially for newer magic cards.
UPDATE: The eBay seller that sold me this card told me he genuinely did NOT know that the card was fake (which I do believe) and he issued a prompt refund and apology. I would have no problem purchasing from this seller in the future

[@reyalitylol4796]

If you 100% think it's fake...rip it for us and show us that core.

[@mcmatthewchase]

I had a card shop tell me I had a fake card and I said ok bet if you're that sure let's rip it if it's real I get full price for it... It was purple in between the tears

[@reyalitylol4796]

@@mcmatthewchase bet that felt good

[@SymmetricalDocking]

The Pact of Negation in this video is almost certainly legitimate.

[@profanecvlt]

@@SymmetricalDocking I was thinking just that, and came to the comments to see if anyone thought the same, also looks pretty legit to me.

[@KingBobXVI]

@@SymmetricalDocking - it is very certainly not. It fails the light test hard, and the black pinlines on the front frame detail aren't on a separate layer. He should also check the green dot, but with the other closeups it would certainly fail that as well.

[@GelidGanef]

The scammers are getting better and better. And thank god. Relying on wotc for reprints clearly isn't working. Maybe I can afford to play legacy or modern in my lifetime.

[@l0lan00b3]

If you just buy high quality forgeries you sure can!

[@zaneghiskhan]

This is the best take

[@randomguy9084]

Yeah but what about if you think a card is real and you try to sell it and you get in trouble and lose money it's basically counterfeit money. With Proxies you can play expensive decks without the risks of getting scammed or getting in trouble they are the solution not counterfeits Granted you can't play in tournaments for money with proxies but I think it is perfectly reasonable that Wizards only allows cards they printed to be used in their own tournaments they fund

[@aptiryp2682]

I can totally understand the argument. The financial entry barrier for formats like Legacy and Vintage is the height of Mount Everrest. Honestly, with a fake of this quality, I can imagine that you would get through in most medium-sized tournaments. I'll be honest, I also have the feeling that the quality of the original prints can vary. I've even pulled cards from a pack that weren't properly centered.

[@Rannulfus]

If they were selling their proxies as proxies at a reasonable price of anything less than 4$, sure. But they're selling them as real. You lose value hard by buying a fake card being sold as real, because even if you don't catch the forgery, the next person you try to sell it to very well might.

[@ARandomPersonAgain]

Yeah, I don't think anyone really knows if something that looks sooooo close is fake.. Could be factory, quality, etc.. Doesn't always mean another printer made if it's slightly off.. Specially when so many "real" products are looking different all the time. Good luck to all..

[@KingBobXVI]

Nope, this is 100% fake. The biggest giveaway the uploader didn't really dig into (though he mentioned it) is that the black lines on the border are not on a separate layer on the counterfeit. No real card with the modern frame will have that issue. He also should have checked for the green dot on the back, since that's the best test at the moment, but I guarantee this would fail it.

[@sideshowonacid]

Dude. That card might very well be real. I would need to compare it to other MH1 cards to be sure. Comparing 2 cards from 2 different sets, from 2 different years is ridiculous.

[@bennycostello2472]

Even the same card from the same set is hard nowadays! I have 2 foil showcase mountains from the same dom united box. They look 2 completley different shades. Proxies look better than real cards. Wizards quality control is absolute ass

[@thenocguesswho]

I have to agree with you, not to mention you could loop that holo to tell too and try to scrap it off (real card won't come off )

[@PwndNewbie]

Legitimate cards printed in Japan have a completely different look to them than US printed cards as well. They sometimes have a shinier back and a dull front. Newer fake cards are pressed and not cut, so back side edges are slightly raised, and their back side is even shinier than Japan printed cards.

[@DismalDante]

Agree that Japanese printed cards are different, having a glossier feel. I show the differences in the two types of printings of real cards under a microscope in my follow-up video, but this force of negation card looks totally different under a microscope

[@trumps-a-hoe]

Raised edges on the corners aren't 100%, I've had pack fresh d&d cards with slightly raised from cutting.

[@golDroger88]

There are a few things to say here. 1. Belgium, Us and Japan printed cards all have a different feel. 2. Variations in color are to be expected. 3. The real test would be the 4 red dots, why didn't you show that? Also what's the smell like? That's a big indicator. Keep in mind the multiple printers, though.

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

He said the rosette pattern was wrong and while he never does a super zoom (probably does not have a good enough camera), you can tell its not right. Its fake.

[@DismalDante]

Sorry I missed the green dot in the video. I got a picture using a microscope you can see here: imgbb.com/SBcRgSq

[@RedMage815]

⁠Yep, the green dot is way off.

[@oldmanmagic7237]

My first take on this was that maybe some fakes ended up in their collection of real cards depending on how they buy, sell, or trade. If you discovered that they specifically sold proxies of cards before, that would be a red flag for me. I purposely don't have any proxy cards in my collection because of this exact reason, but it also wouldn't be unheard of if a fake card or two filtered its way in over 30 years of collecting.

[@Abracadabra-21]

you can have proxies just mark them either by sleeves or on the card itself. fake cards aren't necessarily an issue but instead trying to sell fake cards by marketing them as real (because obviously fake cards have no value)

[@kevinhaen2763]

The issues shown could clearly be differences in printers and countries of origin. These differences are extremely clear in newer sets. You need to take these cards to a shop and compare them to identical cards from the same set, same country of origin. Without that, as well as an attempt at checking the core, then your review is incomplete. The only valid way, without destroying the card, is to have the card officially examined and graded by a professional grading company.

[@SpiderSmokingSam]

that card is not fake. that variation in shades among blues can be seen on many cards, and the variation in clarity in the inner border line is also common. just depends on set and print run. keep in mind, if the "fake" is so good it's barely detectable under very close scrutiny, it's probably good enough to trick anybody that sees it. as far as the light test goes, if you see the bark pattern etc and a blue tone that is a strong indicator that it's good, but *not* seeing all that doesn't mean it's bad. some cards are like that

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

Its the print pattern, thats really the only way to guarantee it. If its different, its fake. Its different. When you see color differences in real magic cards, they are ever so slight and its still crisp coloring. With that, you can tell its due to black bleeding in, which tells us it was all printed at once. Real magic cards, the black is printed separately from the other colors so it would never bleed. Also no, "some cards" are not "like that", they'll all pass the light test. I don't know why you posted what you did, it seems like its just all guess work on your end, because its definitely not due to your experience or ability to spot fakes. Even ignoring everything you said, anyone who knows how to spot fakes know counterfeiters don't know how to reproduce the print/rosette pattern and that this is always the thing you look for, for an answer. The card is 100% fake. No questions asked. And its a scary fake, its a very, very, very good fake. What i would be worried about is people buying graded cards and replacing the graded card with one of these. No one would know.

[@SpiderSmokingSam]

@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 the rosette pattern is the same. he really should have compared two of the same card

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

@@SpiderSmokingSam Its not magnified enough to see the exact pattern but what we can see is clearly different. And all magic cards have that same pattern. You don't need two of the same card to identify it.

[@OfficerYeet]

@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 some sets have multiple variantsnof print

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

@@OfficerYeet I don't know why you're saying that but its not due to knowing what you're talking about. No. That's not true at all, the rosette printing pattern is their best security measure against counterfeits and its the best way to identify a real from fake.

[@Schoney32]

Not all real cards have that tree bark pattern for the light test.. I have a terror of the peaks that I literally got from a booster back and it doesn’t have that. But light does shine through it

[@puttputt524]

Some new cards were printed in a different factory. Throne of eldraine comes to mind.

[@MilkieBeargames]

All of my throne of eldrain cards I got from boosters do not pass the light test

[@Rorschachqp]

Guy didn't prove it was counterfeit but fully and publicly accused another of selling said "counterfeit".

[@DismalDante]

A follow up video proves the card is fake.

[@Rorschachqp]

@@DismalDante Follow up video?

[@DismalDante]

@@Rorschachqp Here is a link to that follow up video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJa1knqar9mYkLs

[@Rorschachqp]

@@DismalDante I’m not looking for a follow up video. If you question authenticity, go right ahead. In this video you have no proof and put the sellers name. The proof needs to be in this video. Or don’t put the seller’s name until you make the proof video, then put the seller’s name. Not everyone is going to see a follow up video. I certainly am not.

[@DismalDante]

@@Rorschachqp There is plenty of evidence the card is fake in this video without a follow up video. The seller admitted it was fake given that evidence. Case closed

[@fireball0093]

I always pay attention to the TM logo on the back. Majority of proxies I've encountered have a whiter and more prominent font and real ones have a more subtle TM logo

[@DismalDante]

Oh , nice observation. I didn't even notice that

[@Lonewolf0840]

I wish wizards cared about quality control. Its hard enough when you have the same set using different types of card stocks with different finishes. Then there is the issue with color consistency within a set. Their laxed quality control standards make it far easier for counterfeiting.

[@TimmyTurner421]

The reap what they sow

[@Troglodytemtg]

Also it's it possible it was so close even the seller was fooled? Big sellers can't check everything

[@JJace]

The 'TM' on the backside was directly suspicious to me.

[@garieb874]

I think the card is real not a fake. At least it isn't printed with a digital Printer. It is printed with an professionel printing method. Probably Offset or Flexo. You can't do this at Home. The differences are normal for These printing methodes

[@jessiesandoval1269]

I dunno how conclusive that is really, it would be more convincing to compare the same exact card that is real to the one that is suspect of being fake, using a card from a different set and let alone a card that isn't even the same card doesn't make sense to me, how do you not know that in a newer set they used a different ink, or in the newer set they used a different paper, also was this card heavily played or near mint, who's to not say your making a bunch of fuss over nothing and your the one getting refunded and your gonna keep the card? How are you an expert on counterfeit?

[@DismalDante]

I have bought a real force of negation from Modern Horizons and will make a comparison video when I get it in the mail, but if you check my green dot comparison video, I think it's pretty conclusive that it's a fake

[@jessiesandoval1269]

If i was ebay or even the seller of this card, would say send it to a grading company and have professionals deduce if this card is authentic or not, your assumption to me doesn't mean much if my self have also looked at millions of cards over my time of playing magic and collecting cards that something that small in the printing, I've seen that same inconstancies on different cards in the same booster pack before

[@DismalDante]

@@jessiesandoval1269 There are inconsistencies on real cards for sure, but every card in a given set uses the same offset printing pattern, so the dots on the card will be on the card in a consistent way, even if they can be offset a bit, size of dots can vary, and glossiness can vary. This fake card's print dots are completely different from other modern horizon cards and was obviously not printed from the same print files as a real card and the holo stamp was missing the "wizards" security feature. I am not an expert, but it seems obvious to me.

[@fienddube]

Scary. I bought some Chinese fakes last year (to test & compare, and use to help my friends know what to look for). One of the issues we noticed was that the hologram on cards was not good; if you held it next to a real card and turned them slightly under a lamp, you could quickly see the Holo on the fake was blurry, messy...while the real Holo was crisp and the prongs on the magic symbol were perfect. BUTTT...what you’ve got here is MUCH better as far as the hologram. That Force of Negation’s hologram is nearly perfect. SCARY.

[@ErrorAcquired]

FYI, the Holo issues are now all corrected, and the new ones look amazing

[@danielwhitten2479]

“Nearly perfect “ LOL 😂 I love how everyone thinks that force of negation is fake. “The border is more purple than the other” please you’re killing me.

[@golDroger88]

Why do you say "almost perfect"? Can you name what is wrong with it?

[@stonerproud2071]

Did you expect quality when buying from China?

[@stevenharper7118]

@@danielwhitten2479 That FoN is fake. look at the printing pattern.

[@tommieboi707]

I'm not so sure about all these tests. I've opened a fresh pack of cards and ran them through the light test and the bend test and they have failed. Fresh from the pack!!! Light will not pass through some of the new dominaria cards and they will crease if bent. Not sure what to think now.

[@DismalDante]

Thanks for sharing. I guess the light test is no longer valid with all the different real printing variations out there

[@TimmyTurner421]

He should label them as fakes and sell them as high quality proxies. Obviously he's very talented at making these cards

[@lechzracpogi1484]

Why didn't you check the Green Bauble for the L shaped dots?

[@DismalDante]

I did compare the green dot in a follow up video. This card does not have the 4 red dots

[@lechzracpogi1484]

@@DismalDante Didn’t know there’s a followup vid. The green bauble is always my first basis.

[@DrollerTroller]

The light test here is not correct. Some Magic cards from modern sets are not light-transparent. I saw cards from Kaldheim completely opaque. I took those cards from original set-boosters. But here we are comparing card from 2019 set with the card from 2016 set.

[@lordtyrus1]

To all the people saying the card is real... You're right. None of what is shown proves this to be a fake.

[@MatthewFrkovich]

He could have not known it was fake it looks a lot better than previous fakes I didn’t know they’ve been getting better, it isn’t a hundred dollar card so he probably didn’t look super closely

[@maxwellhberger8583]

I hate being this guy, but... XD When you do the grain check through the loupe on your cards, you should have grabbed 2 cards of the same year at least. This change in variable will not go un-noticed! *Grunts* I'm joking, this is all awesome to know, that light test it what shut me up.

[@kevingrisler4123]

Bros out here checking this card like it's a fat diamond lmao

[@DarkLightningBro]

I’ve bought sealed mtg products in the past from my lgs and almost every time the reprints have different color tones, slightly sharper or blurred shadows and contrast. If the card passes the bend test and most importantly the light test, then all it’s good, just a different factory producing the same stuff.

[@MTG_Ronin]

The light test is my preferred method to see blue core vs black core.

[@HaleG9]

Why did you not do the green dot test (with the 4 small red dots inside)? That is the safest way of distinguishing fake from real.

[@DismalDante]

Agree. I did not know about this method at the time this video was made. I did compare this in a follow up video, and the fake fails this test

[@WikiSnapper]

That is funny I heard WotC is also selling high quality fakes. 🤣

[@bennycostello2472]

Easiest way to tell a fake is it looks better than the real one😂 wizards quality control is so bad at this point that a good condition non misprint is more rare than a misprint!

[@idkjustleavemebeplease]

I hope the market gets flooded with these. It ain't a black lotus. Its a game piece alot of people consider a staple.

[@jordanb7304]

I haven’t looked that hard at the halftones of my cards but if a different printer or different printing process takes place, that’s enough to make the halftone patterns appear different. You can see even on official cards they have different colors and different finishes which means they’ve changed their process and or printers. I’d have to see that card printed from the same set to truly know. Or at least study multiple cards from different sets to see how the halftones appear and the different hues they used for different sets etc.

[@hviring7441]

Of course this is a fake, the card is way too straight to be from Pringles, i mean WotC…

[@theayatollahofrockandrolla]

That card is legit and I'm sure you're paranoid.. get a professional opinion and put away that loop before you hurt yourself.

[@jamesbouras9434]

Dude that's a real card

[@aidanluther286]

The set symbol and the flaring on the back cut are what set off alarm bells for me. None of what you actually went over in the video discerns anything. A loupe looking at the rosette patterns would be your best method. Also, the coloring from Kaladesh would be way way off from MH1, not a great comparison choice.

[@crull001]

@5:45 Im seeing a nice roset pattern in the force that looks real to me but I would check the forest symbol on both the cards as well as the position of planeswalker holo.

[@PaulissVegan]

first thing I noticed was the darkish set symbol

[@drmatarkin2100]

I weigh and examine under a microscope most cards that I get. Sometimes even from packs!

[@MstrCorrin]

I never go by feel anymore, with all the different art treatments feeling different on real cards these days, my fingers have forgotten what baseline is supposed to be. I got the noir magazine cover secret lair and they all feel plasticy fresh right from the cutter

[@gvazanellis82]

Could have been an innocent seller who ended up with a fake card

[@7upac]

First thing I noticed was the colour looked a bit off. It’s light. Faded. The holo stamp should be physically checked with your finger to see if it’s smooth and flush or if there’s a bump indicating a sticker. Light test was a good indicator of the fake. Also could weigh the card and it would be likely heavier than a normal

[@AgentFulgoreBasedDepartment]

the red dot test within the green dot on the back is the most accurate and precise way to tell if a card is counterfeit. the only ones that pass it are rebacked older cards, but those always fail the light test. this is why there are multiple tests to determine if a card is counterfeit. the dot test hasn't failed me yet. i've noticed counterfeits by eyesight alone because as you said, the color (and usually texture of the card) is always off.

[@mattstah9319]

If you see proxy cards in a sellers past then you just steer clear

[@stonerproud2071]

Oh really, I suppose you have never sold a fake card as a real one without realizing it, right? Don't be a dumbass!

[@FinalManaTrigger]

Yep, fake. The border lines should be solid black, not a mix of ink to make black like on that Force. That's why it's wavy. Wizards uses a separate black layer over the other colors for the text, borders, and set symbol.

[@grigorios21]

NOT FAKE blame wizards for inconsistences, different print run

[@reelfishermen1521]

Faking a modern card that could get a reprint and be worthless?not very likely.

[@janostoth9575]

Check the green dots and the Deckmaster text on the back, also the text in the front textbox. So far this is kind of inconclusive. Can be variance between prints/location. If this is a fake i will be scammed with modern cards sooner or later.

[@KingBobXVI]

Don't even need those - the black frame lines he did show in passing aren't printed on their own layer, which on its own means it's fake.

[@poemonroe8848]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Very helpful

[@twitchster77]

It's very frustrating...now every time I buy a decent card I'm scared it's a fake.

[@DaxVerus]

they aren't fakes. just more 30th anniversary proxies

[@reelfishermen1521]

Why would they fake a cheap modern card ?

[@knightlko]

The TM on the back of the fake lol.

[@codelicious6590]

I was skeptical about this vid until I saw the rosette comparison- thats a dead giveaway and if they can get everything else so close to perfect, most people won't think twice about it and sleeve it up- then they will be accused of trying a scam down the line when they try trading or selling the fake. Yuk.

[@DismalDante]

Agreed..I think there are probably fakes like this one in many people's decks without anyone knowing any better. It's sad that by the time the fakes are discovered, it's probably too late to get their money back.

[@slo-poke1044]

On real cards the black ink is on top of the color.

[@justinofioravanti2841]

This card is real brother.. but glad you are doing your due diligence

[@stephenx2857]

while a seller selling 1 fake card could just happen. it's not really a legit test to test 1 card from a nonstandard set to a standard block set. the printing is always a bit different on the master/commander sets. light test is always suspect. and needs to be done on two identical cards to be any way reliable. Would also say. if you do the weight, or UV reflective test. should also be done on identical cards. OR at the very least the same set. the rosette lining on the black layer is the most suspect. legit mtg cards have a sep black printed layer as one of the final color layers. why all the blacks should be solid black with no rosettes and clear lines. can also use the jeweler loop to look at the rag layer inbetween the cards. most of the higher qual chinese fakes use a black rag layer. where as wotc cards are purple. if you think it's counterfeit just issue a refund with ebay. if ebay blinks call your CC processor have the charge reversed. the greater stupidity is the nature of small bits of cardboard only having value because one company has a predatory gamble pack secondary market system to inflate the value of them.

[@pryingopenmythirdeye1830]

Clearly he slips in some fakes from time to time and most the time people don't notice .

[@AgentFulgoreBasedDepartment]

that's how big sellers usually get them by - pure volume and mixing in counterfeits among legitimate cards. a lot of people (newer to the game usually) don't check with a jeweler's loupe; i loupe every card i acquire (whether from buying or through trading) that's over $2 because of the prevalence of counterfeits circulating around. TCGPlayer has also had counterfeits sold, i ended up with a fake Grand Abolisher and contacted customer service to let them know what was going on; got the refund and added the seller to the blacklist i keep of sellers to not buy from. the dude was also a high volume seller with over 50,000 sales and a rating of something like 95% positive.

[@linguaphile9415]

I know this video is pretty old, but I want to express my thanks for this very instructional video. Great you spotted the fraud!

[@Tyrius8]

i have lots of cards that dont pass the light or green dot test. other printing companies that are not Cartamundi dont fallow the same printing guidelines perfectly like them. After showing the ebay user though, i think you are right. he knows what hes doing and only having that many references basically means he can and will switch to a different ebay account in no time if cought. 99 percent looks good but only 300 refs makes me think hes a crook.

[@issicsilva5502]

if it is fake it's so close to real that it doesn't matter.

[@FinalManaTrigger]

LMAO it does matter. Do you want to pay full price for fake cards?

[@issicsilva5502]

@@FinalManaTrigger I say flood the market with realistic looking fake cards. It's called Magic The Gathering, trading card game, not collectible card game. I would be happy if everyone had easy access to any card.

[@Playlist4Ella]

With the real card, during the light test, you can see the card back showing through! That's seems very cut and dry. What kind of light is that? Also, couldn't the seller have acquired it not knowing it was fake and sold it? If it's that hard to tell if it's fake, an honest person without your knowledge may never realize they have a counterfeit. I know I couldn't tell a difference until you did the light test. I get a lot of my cards as singles and I've never received any suspicious ones to my knowledge. But I'll run the light test on some of the more expensive ones to check. Thanks for the info!

[@johnmunson1255]

I don't think it's fake at all. One was 2014 and the other was 2019 prints. Got to remember the 2019-2021 prints weren't the best prints they had and they had alot of complaints about guality

[@LightBender777]

I will gladly buy your "fake card" for 23.99

[@Redskies453]

I don't think it's right to name shame the seller, who may not be aware.

[@DismalDante]

I agree it's not right to shame the seller, but I think it is the responsibility of anyone selling a magic card to verify authenticity before selling.

[@Redskies453]

@@DismalDante I mean did you check with the seller first to see if you could resolve it? If you've provided the evidence the card is fake they are obliged to refund you and take the loss, but to expect them to check every card with a loupe before sale is not reasonable.

[@DismalDante]

I did contact the seller and they did resolve it by giving a refund. I do think it is reasonable for a seller to check any cards they sell that they got from an untrusted source, because most buyers won't realize cards like this are fake until it's too late to get a refund.

[@zelphermm]

colors aren't a good indication actually cause i have legit cards that are different shades.

[@BeardedAK47]

Corners look too round right off the bat IMO

[@harmoen]

As long as no one tells me it's fake and I can't tell then I don't really care. I just want to play game

[@GamingOC]

Im still waiting for the day that fake cards will be better/same as the originals. Sick and tired of wizzard money grab scam.

[@garnerloudermilk1710]

1st off you are comparing a Japanese print card (Modern Horizon) to a US print card (Kaladesh). The Japanese print cards have a different core stock than older cards. Would really like to see a comparison to another Modern Horizon card.

[@mustanggarido]

The green orb of an original card has a little dot that i`ve never see in a proxy. Look for that

[@wooders2206]

if it looks this good honestly who cares

[@michaeldoan410]

Without personal inspection, I can't say for sure. Based on what I see here... It's real. It's so good because it probably is real lol.

[@DismalDante]

It fails the light test though, which should prove that it's fake

[@michaeldoan410]

@@DismalDante I'm a POS that commented before the video was over. My bad

[@sideshowonacid]

@@DismalDante the light test means very little these days. Modern cards are not printed the same.

[@FinalManaTrigger]

Nope, not real at all. if the border lines, text, and set symbol outline aren't solid black then it's a counterfeit.

[@OvAeons]

Listing was NM but there was a massive dent in the upper right corner :T, not that it matters now but an additional scum since they can feign it happened in shipping or you did it.

[@Izawwlgood]

Serious question but do you think it's possible the seller was unaware of the fake? That's a pretty high quality fake all told!

[@DismalDante]

Yes, I gave an update in the description of this video that I do now believe the seller did not know that the card was fake.

[@darth-umbrex]

MH1 had horrible print quality I doubt thats fake. Show the green dot on the back or just rip it otherwise im calling paranoia.

[@mfdoom1898]

The fakes never have that last black layer to clean everything up plus all you need to do is find the rosette pattern and the dot test, that's it. Plus I don't really buy new cards. The vintage cards are a lot harder to fake.

[@tacoversustaco]

Too high quality to be real. Real ones would be off center or have print lines.

[@cheeveka3]

I don’t buy from eBay anymore a lot shady things happen there trying to dispute something is it fun to do. Use TCG player more than eBay. Personally I’d go to a Local Game Shop to verify if it’s authentic. Trying to see if one of fake by yourself isn’t wise but that’s just me.

[@patmacrotch5611]

eBay has the best return and protection what do you mean. You check the card, if it’s fake you return it. Simple as that. TCGPlayer you don’t even get to see a picture of the card lol. If you can’t authenticate the card you shouldn’t be buying it.

[@cheeveka3]

@@patmacrotch5611 Nah I heard it’s really long process or on TCG Player they seem to be very fast at solving counterfeit cards 🤔

[@patmacrotch5611]

@@cheeveka3 "You heard?" I have personally been using eBay for cards for more than a decade. It's a simple process. You check the card, if its fake, you open a case, you send the card back and you get your money back.

[@Rey99m]

High quality fakes are good for the game

[@totallynotmyles69]

I could tell just from the set symbol and {1} in the mana cost-

[@psychozen7169]

Sorry you need to check the green circle on the back and look for the triangle of three red dots.

[@DismalDante]

I did that. You can see a closeup of it here imgbb.com/SBcRgSq

[@jneb5979]

Why is the TM on the back sooo white.

[@dragade101]

I'll pay 1usd for this fine proxy but it should have some information at the bottom stating such.

[@zugesinddoof9885]

Problem will be they print the cards since 30 years. Im pretty Sure they have Not only inldentical printers. So some Changes over 30 years will be normal

[@SpiderSmokingSam]

I just noticed in the pictures on the ebay page for the card, the "back" image wasn't in any sleeves... why would he take it out of the sleeves just to photo the back but not the front.... so that back image was probably one he used again and again

[@matthewdisbrow507]

The black is off on the force of negation.

[@tankoshinomi]

I actually wouldn't call this one a fake

[@AnonymousMaykr]

Now rip it!

[@TheBraxton17]

if I was going to buy a card on eBay I wouldnt pay too much attention to the pictures, but more the distribution. If they have a real one they will just have pictures of that up anyway and send you the fakes. just don't get mislead at the thought of a good deal like the guy that accidentally bought a proxy when I he thought I was getting a real card.

[@evanowens7591]

I mean $23 for a force is suspect

[@perinthia6829]

If something seems to good to be true, it probably is

[@patmacrotch5611]

@@ren_gaming he bought a year after the set came out it was $50-60 card then. I think I got mine around the same time, and I easily spent $45-50

[@srg_aliens]

those sets are years apart

[@lunarlight3131]

it's 100% a real card

[@DismalDante]

No, it's not. I posted a follow up video with proof that the card is fake.

[@umayle07]

I pulled a real card from a real pack that looked like this….

[@DismalDante]

Do you still have the card? I'd be interested in comparing the green dot on the back to the one I have.

[@FinalManaTrigger]

I very much doubt that. Look closer.

[@umayle07]

@@FinalManaTrigger nah it really does looked at it multiple times

[@cardinhamkilligrew9712]

eh - not buying it. you need to compare the same cards - could be printing on that cards run. not sure this is fake at all.... i mean your not comparing the same card or even the same set and same year......could simply be a different printer or different ink. looks fine to me.

[@DismalDante]

Thanks for the feedback. I've just bought a force of negation MH1 card and will make a follow-up video soon when I get it

[@thatonedudedude1450]

Does the green mana dot on the back look legit?

[@Raindown15]

I got a fake card off of tcg player.

[@tr4pkeedyoungking677]

Force for $24? Yeah most definitely a proxy

[@DismalDante]

$24 was a reasonable price when the card was purchased at the time this video was posted

[@reelfishermen1521]

Before you ruin a small business again, try and compare several negotiations instead of other cards.most comment say it real.nice job

[@DismalDante]

I have another video comparing it to the exact real card from the same set. It's fake. No question

[@thomasmanthei5763]

Wizards have horrible quality control In the inc of cards And paper and quality are Always very bad. That one actually probably real :)