Druid class | Pros and Cons | Should you play druid in Classic WoW??!

[@Ebbnflow]

When you try to hide a characters name and you forget target of the target frames.... :)

[@hoasca3417]

since i decided to play a druid at the release of vanilla, i was wondering if a feral specc in pvp is viable. whats your opinion about feral pvp?

[@Ebbnflow]

@@hoasca3417 deep feral, like a PvE dps spec isnt very good. But 1/29/21 is a popular spec to play for feral in pvp and is definitely a good all around build!

[@JA-zw9ju]

hoasca You will be very handy in PvP. You have many things that can turn the table. It’s fun and you have to think about every step and spell you make. Try retro wow or other insta 60 server to have a small touch with your class choice :)

[@hoasca3417]

@@JA-zw9ju ty mate!

[@hoasca3417]

@@Ebbnflow ty mate!

[@Roommate625]

Played a Druid from launch all the way through Vanilla and I hope one thing continues with Classic reboot, the unwritten rule that Druids didn't kill opposing faction druids and would help in PvE if saw one in trouble. Was always fun since you couldn't talk but had mutual respect.

[@stinkynightelf]

Roommate625 I will carry this on

[@Mekose]

I'll do my part.

[@sebbe138138]

I’ll do my part as well

[@namaguederaz]

Me too.

[@rimmijohnson3361]

Awww heartwarming

[@Suffkopp0815]

Reminds me of a German wow audio play. Test: What class to play? 1. Do you want to do damage? Player: Doing damage is nice but I am not crazy about it, I will pick No. 2. Do you want to be able to tank? Player: It is practical to be able to tank but I am really not into it, so I will pick No again. 3. Do you want to heal? Player: Great now he tries to make me a healer, I fucking hate that crap NO. Congratulations your preferred class is the Druid!

[@Ebbnflow]

Haha, yes exactly this!

[@lucasseidemann3708]

Onkel Barlow ist immernoch der Beste.

[@Itama22]

And don't forget to name your Druid Miraculi(x) ;p

[@Valariel]

I've been a druid main for 15 years and this guy nailed the way I feel. Any other class feels like you're incomplete/missing something.

[@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU]

Lol the same guy here.. I just love how dynamic the druid is.. Sure its sucks a bit at vanilla, bit less on TBC but man I fucking loved druid in wotlk, esp. the pvp.. If you picked resto or boomkin or feral you always could be one of the top contributing players in bgs.. Personally I loved resto, being first in heal, making a huge difference in teamfights, many times in fights where opposition has bigger numbers, and if things went south I could just run away and regroup somewhere where it was needed so basically like this you pretty often end up being top healer with 0 deaths that can also nicely CC people and flexibly even accomplish the objectives.. Just awesome and flexible

[@formicthearchdruid6763]

13 years of druid.. Cant lvl since druid any other char.. They lack Utility.. Fun.. Great Looking Gear.. And tons of spells. And about Having Fun playing Suport Witch Hurts my Dmg even more And is unnoticed Still makes me so Happy.. After Wolk they ruined Class with Tranquility and a lot of suport so yoiu could Race With Dmg Meter..

[@saiosonstower9439]

I find this comment funny. For the longest time in vanilla I wanted to get my Druid to 60. But would always fall off at mid 30s. My reasons were always that the Druid felt like a watered down version of all my other 60s. But as a classic player, I’m stating to see the benefit to investing in a class that can be in the background. And frankly I think they are so under represented that they get geared even quicker

[@Almareaver]

0:09: I play since 1.06 and I lvled up as a druid. I never heard about druids being underdogs. Druid was respected in many ways specially on pvp. And you do not need to top dps or hps meters, classic was not about the logs but about playing what you like and progress raid. People with this ideology killed the retail.

[@sophiaperennis2360]

The fact you can only be Tauren or Night Elf is not a negative. It is consistent with the lore, and lore makes the game better as it gives everything more flavor and makes the game as a whole more immersive. An Orc Druid makes no sense whatsoever that's the mentality that led us to retail.

[@syys5640]

so much this!

[@starmarinedonny5581]

Any Druid I see from now on, I will hug them & thank them very much for being a Druid. -A warlock

[@huntersftw82]

i love being a druid having an answer to near every situation is so satisfying

[@Pwnbot01]

Good stuff Ebn! Love the versatility and supporting role that only a druid can really supply. It just comes down to finding other people that can see that in the class xD

[@Ebbnflow]

Exactly, once people have played with a druid who knows what they are doing it can really open their eyes to just how impactful druids can be!

[@Layerlol]

Druids are the Golden eggs of the community and I thank every druid thats out there at 60! We need you! Dont let anyone say otherwise

[@sadatmananda7963]

I like what you said about the high skill floor and what happens once you get there. Been playing a Druid 3 years on private servers and feel like there’s so much depth and that I’m just a total noob. Like you said you really have to work for your kills so getting the skills to work up to that is so nuanced. Nice video you told well about Druids, I will link you to others who ask me about Druid. I really think they are great. Love being the underdog I’m switching to shaman for classic though as I’m ready for a change and this will fit my play schedule better. Funny though like you said on Horde you can only play Tauren and since I’m a Horde player at heart I want to play an orc. Druid is best on nelf lol. Well played. Great content.

[@Ebbnflow]

Thanks for the kind words! Yeah if I couldnt play druid shaman would be my next pick, definitely a fun class as well!

[@MarcTube]

how do you "get to" a skill floor? it's called a floor because it's the bottom. do you mean the ceiling? or is the goal to get worse?

[@MeetMalice]

@@MarcTube A skill floor is the minimum level of ability required to be effective. Or if you prefer, skill floor is how bad you can be and still be competetive, and skill ceiling is how much potential there is to stomp people completely - or win 1vX and so on.

[@TheAnonJohn]

oh my god, my main char since vanilla is a druid named Saraswati!!!!! LOL

[@viggecokarlittecola4655]

@@MarcTube yea he used it wrong or he said something else wrong he means they have a low skill floor

[@doopness785]

You deserve more subscribers I can't wait to main Druid in classic

[@lewisgarland8335]

Subbed n belled! lol

[@joshuaboatwright2876]

@Ebbnflow most other classes claim druids are clunky. It's the other classes that feel clunky. Priest can heal but cant soak the damage (clunky) Warrior cant heal when in trouble without a pot ( clunky) Mages get an add half way through (clunky) Lock fear bouncing and pull in more adds ( clunky ) hunter/ rogues multi adds with cooldowns burnt ( clunky) Druids smooth transition from caster, to run like hell, to heal, to bear. Amazing solo or in groups. Since they can do it all in such easy movements they are the epitome of smooth. It is what other classes wish they were and they try to make it that way in later expansions.....we are already the perfect class!!

[@Ebbnflow]

Couldnt agree more, was healing on a priest the other day and anytime a rogue or warrior gets on you youre pretty much dead, no real peels or ways to run!!

[@Ze_Ninguem]

Stop rambling or they nerf it

[@TheScarecrow78]

TY. This was really helpful. I was on the fence about playing a druid in Classic but this put me over the edge.

[@samcostanzo1970]

Hey man, loved this video. I have played a druid since classic and can't wait to play again this summer. I especially loved your last point about trying to play another class and it's just not the same. I feel that exact same way!!! I will be looking forward to more druid content. You deserve more subs, keep going!!!

[@elclark1568]

Missing thoughts on dungeons (no rez can mean some will not want you as healer, gear up as bear tank) and raids (not many druids in raids comps, but low population means easy spots, easy gearing due to low competition)...

[@mark2167a]

You are one of the few subscribes that uploads content, that I actually watch to the end Keep it up

[@damascusb9835]

In phase 3 now and I did what I didn’t even think possible but being utility and topping raid healing. Noticed Regrowth has taken over my main heal spell. Raid only runs two Restos so splitting hots has been really simple. Such an amazing class and so much fun.

[@Jeffsharp937]

I just found the classic druid channel gold mine lol, great video all these really helped make my choice to go druid for the 2024 fresh coming up!!

[@MoonfeatherWildkin]

Good video, was following you pretty well until you listed playing the best Horde race as a negative, perhaps it was just an editing mistake but other than that, solid points.

[@blank2541]

Been waiting for a vid like this. Keep it comin' my guy, would love to see some Druid v Warlock

[@infiniteflow8849]

Great video, to add to it I'd say If you are not interested in healing , you should avoid playing a druid period.

[@dusk1947]

MOOooooo! yep Tauren is the biggest deterrent for me (my friends only want to play Horde). I've been a Druid main in Modern WoW since late Wrath, where I finally noticed this classes full potential. With Classic less than a month out now, I've started to deep dive on the class I know I want to play and am preparing for the up hill battle of Vanilla progression. I defiantly appreciate the coverage on this video.

[@eaberrydc]

Classic: there was a reason that there were support classes. In the past several expansions, all classes have become very similar.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

The point is to to determine the identity of ur class by ur talent tree, not your class alone. For example, Warrior is the only viable tank ( by far the best in tanking), he is also an insane dps as fury in raids and he is also probably the best pvp class. All that in 1 character.. all u have to do is choose ur talent tree. Now tell me, what's the point of going cast damage druid? instead of mage or warlock? Or healer without a ress? with insuficient heals that cost half ur mana. Or bear form? just to use 3 skills and pretend to be a warrior with that rage.. or maybe cat form? u're not even 10% of the rogue with that catform. U see where i am getting here? U go feral, u are just a worse warrior ( both for tank and dps) and a worse rogue. U go moonkin, u're a WAY worse mage/warlock. U go resto, u're good but u're still worse than paladins priests and shamans. So why would a new player choose a druid? cus of mark of the wild? cus of innnervate that will be used on a priest? or cus of a 30min battle ress? YOu are implying in ur comment that in order for a class to be support it must be weak.. but it's not true.. look at paladins... great supports.. are they weak? hell no. Again, there's a reason why it's the least played class by far.. and it's not cus it's a support class. The game has more support classes that are not that weak... not to mention that the gear of druid in general ( and every other hybrid class) is just akward...it's a pain to gear up a hybrid class based on ur spec. While as a mage, every gear that says "mage" is just perfect for you.. no need to screw ur head over that. In TBC druids were still the same class, but instead of being useless they were actually insane at supporting ( like they should) and decent to the other stuff. This is blizzard FIXING the flaws of vanila.. that's why most people prefer TBC over vanila.. vanila is just too incomplete compared to TBC. TBC is the definition of an overpowered expansion... it's just a way better version of vanila without the bullshit that came with wotlk and later with cata. Too bad blizzard decided to go with vanila instead of tbc just cus a bunch of 35+ year old dudes are having a nostalgia breakdown.

[@ShrinkWrapping]

@@akhsdenlew1861 private server information detected

[@rudy1999]

@@akhsdenlew1861 TBC was dogshit, i played it. Vanilla was way better.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@rudy1999 a personal opinion with no real arguements to back it up . truth is both TBC and WOTLK were more favored than vanila, and the statistics prove it. in fact wow reached it's PEAK at wotlk, and then started to go down with cata... steadily. Vanila was all about grind, awfull pvp system with little to no skill involved, no arena also... raids had 0 mechanics.. It was good for 2005, and with the horrible mmos that coming out all the time it will see success even now... but compared to tbc and wotlk, vanila is a lot worse in so many aspects.. especially the pvp, the grind and the pve.

[@Kavou]

Amazing guide!!! Most of the guides are so general where people dont make distinctions at all. Druid like Paladin is the glass that has sooo much more that meets the eye while everyone fails to see it since they can't make finer distinctions about the class. I loved the vid and I am looking forward to be playing a Druid in Classic.

[@Relbl]

If you have a buddy try moving around the world as a *LOCK* (afflic/destro hybrid) *DRUID* (balance/resto hybrid) pairing - the synergy is astounding and the world melts around you while simultaneously you are unassailable.

[@ytabil]

Quite gear independant compared to some other classes

[@christofer985]

i think people should talk also about thorns and mark of wild, and that druids are both mele and range sustain and burst, i think that alot of people underrate the flexability, couse flexability of the druid is so strong, and also the mark of the wild buff is insanly good and under represented with game mechanics

[@alexduey7868]

Definitely doing Tauren Druid being able to play so many different roles in a world where it takes forever to level up

[@nandy2012]

also costs a fortune to change speccs so careful with that

[@YoDirk]

Found your channel recently and am really enjoying the content! Props to you :)

[@Ebbnflow]

Hey Dirk, thanks so much, glad you enjoy the videos!

[@ksherman51]

Flag carrier tips and tricks would be a cool video. I saw that you know some like that wall jump that look really cool

[@jakeharrison6603]

Great video.... very insightful. Thanks man. I will definitely role Druid in August.

[@halyardclark762]

Thanks for this video. This helps some of us making that difficult decision on what class to roll as main.

[@Localdefense]

Played Drood since vanilla. Pro: you can tank 5 mans great since your threat is super high. Or heal it. Con: DPS is lackluster but in raids i was usually not last place. Unfortunately in raids you will be a healer unless your raid group is very chill or on farm status. I only tanked MC if i was the ONLY tank on. And we dont have defense so we can be crushing blowed by bosses (lame itemization Blizzard) We are great for world pvp but every kill is a project. Locks, shadow priests and rogues are tough fights. Hunters who know how to kite also. We can be feared by hunters scare beast also.

[@MalhaIIa]

This one knows.

[@notallgarbage]

My main has been a resto druid for years. In legion, I specialized in healing maxed-out Mythics+ (+10 or +15). My gear was PERFECT for 5-men. Alllll mastery+haste... and then, what happened? I did a raid. I never raided. I studied all fights beforehand (got a long warning before the raid help request). And so, what happened? Here you have a super-specialized player, for 5-men, geared for 5-men, without critical strike rating... Was it gonna suck? Most people would have predicted a YES! You know what I did? I order to take advantage of the haste and mastery, I had to remain what my character was: a small-number-of -targets healer... During the whole raid, I healed the same 6 targets (mostly). The main tank and the 5 healers. Treating the raid as a 5-men. You know what happened? The other healers almost never panicked for their own life. The main tank received a kind of life-bar stabilization booster with all the HoTs, and I was able to have super quick and cheap healing touch on him and I almost never worried for my mana. The raid was a success, and I toped the healing charts, even beating the holy paladin for tank healing. DRUIDS ROCK and are very flexible!

[@sithlrd4196]

A leveling guide with spec, rotation, macros and gear for leveling a Druid would be golden for most players who didn’t play or level a Druid in vanilla. Btw, I started leveling a Druid on horde on Northdale. I know it’s late but I want to practice before Classic comes out. Good job on the video !!

[@theodorthiele]

Not that I wanna remove attention from Ebbn's amazing content, but I really liked Kargoz' druid leveling guide - in combination with Ebbn's speed leveling videos it should have you covered pretty well :)

[@Ebbnflow]

@@theodorthiele yeah he has some good content for leveling!

[@Ebbnflow]

Definitely going to work on a leveling tips video, so stay tuned for that! Yeah a little practice definitely can help out!

[@naturalyamazing]

If i was later in the video I missed it. You may be correct about healing competitiveness I havent seen anything to disprove it and know it to be true from experience. But private servers have min maxed and shown how competitive former underdogs are / how they are viable. There are for instance some indepth guides and footage on how strong feral in raid can be with the right gearing and rotation - IE competing or outshining the typical leaders of the time - IE rogues, warriors, mages and warlocks.

[@jacobk4n3]

Excellent stuff as usual my dude! Your dueling videos have gotten me to switch from Pally to Druid. Can't wait for the leveling video!

[@Ebbnflow]

Thanks Jake, appreciate the kind words!

[@marius8700]

This is a great video, I think many people thats been insecure about picking the druid should watch this video to get them on different thoughts that this is a correct pick (Y)

[@mrkittr]

Thanks for the video Ebbn. I've been pondering creating a Druid come classic and this helped. You mentioned Druids required a fair amount of macros, perhaps you can share what macros you like to use in another video.

[@Ebbnflow]

Defintiely will!

[@VanCoGames]

Yes please do

[@AfterHoursCollector]

I love your comments about not needing to shine as a druid but providing so much enhancement to groups. Some people are ok with not leading the charts, just find a group who appreciates all you do. As a druid I saved so many raids and PVP groups because I had major versatility. Can't wait to play one

[@MrMuppetlord]

The druids just buff everyone els around them thanks to intervene, BR to save fights when tanks die or the top DPS. Or give the +3% crit aura to you group and help them do even more ops in the fights

[@michaeltz4911]

Is druid a good choice for a totally casual player in classic?I mean dungeons and maybe a few easy raid bosses.And pvp when im bored.

[@adc1222]

They're fantastic for casuals. I mained druid all through classic and had an absolute blast just doing open world stuff and dungeons and casual BGs. You're able to tank, heal, and dps on demand with the same spec meaning you do amazing solo or in small groups, and aquatic and travel form makes getting around a thousand times easier, especially in early game. When I first unlocked aquatic form I just spent a whole day swimming all around the coasts of the world, and I was too fast to get killed by most mobs even when they were way higher level.

[@The80sWolf_]

I want to make moonkin druid work

[@madsjepsen3985]

Hey man, really great video you got here! Thumbs from me 👍 Do you mind Sharing the talents you are using in there clips though? Would be Nice. Peace!

[@charalamposkallimanis9609]

I just signed in only to upvote and subscribe to your channel because this video was AWESOME! I wanted to pick something bad ass for upcoming Vanilla like Undead Priest/Rogue. But mannn... Druid and his support skills in a pvp group is just what I wanted to play. Plus I like trolling ppl :D In addition, that rooting with the two mobs (in Feralas i think) was all my laughs :D Keep up the good work!!!

[@Xdeelol]

Great video and the mic sounds so good! You must get tons of suggestions, but I've only mained druid since Cataclysm and used to play Hunter in Vanilla, so I would really like to see a guide for pre-raid gearing as a resto druid. Doesnt seem like theres videos on the subject yet. Anyways, have a good one!

[@Ebbnflow]

Thanks for noticing the mic, I got a new one so glad it sounds good. Yeah I want to do a pre-bis list video for druids I just want to hear a final word from blizzard on progressive itemization so the video has the correct items!

[@doctorprepper8106]

Do you use the auto self cast enabled while healing in PvP? I’m more used to pvping as a dps.

[@izidor]

I like pvp and i played priest basically since vanilla and swapping the class is a thing im thinking of since long time...i tried to play a druid on those private servers and what i noticed that the many buttons/hotkeys/makros is just a thing i cannot ignore. It is more or less killing me and the hight risk you to take with that class compared to the reward you get is very poor ( pvp wise ). PvE wise i like the druid a lot, it offers a lot of different options depending on the situation and the leveling process is smooth. My conclusion: I tested the druid for about a month and if you are not a top notch druid and a master of the class then you basically lose 100% of your fights against every class.Its absolute vital to understand the pvp situation you are in and then react with the correct shape shift counter + the 5000 spells you also have to use while fightening. Pve wise you can do nothing wrong with the druid. His tools are limitless. I personally will skip the druid but it was interesting. I guess after all i will stick with shaman or priest ( once again )

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah its not a very forgiving class, like you said you have to do everything right. If i wasnt able to play a druid I would play a shaman, a very fun class with really good tools for pvp and pve

[@TrueLife..]

You went from playing arguably the most brain-dead easy class in the game (which happens to be the best 1v1 class while taking almost no skill) to what most would suggest is the most difficult class to master. Can't say I'm surprised =P

[@izidor]

@@TrueLife.. Well this is your point of view.

[@valaroma]

Very well said. Every remark was on the point with a very mature and coherent train of thought. You deserve more subs indeed Plz make more druid cont!

[@Ebbnflow]

Hey thanks Valaroma, glad you enjoyed it. Definitely more videos to come!

[@stickyone11]

you def sold me on rolling druid main come classic :D thanks for the knowledge!

[@Ebbnflow]

Glad to have you joining the Druids! Happy to help!

[@blake9458]

lololol... love it.. kickin the rogues asss no problemooooo at the end. Any druid should be able to beat a rogue in a duel, like you were saying about skill floor. With skill you can bean nearly anyone.

[@Mekose]

This is honestly why I'm torn between hunter and druid; because everyone is gonna try to be the next "world of roguecraft", undead rogue is going to be by far the most abundant class. I'm extremely looking forward to crushing them as a nelf hunter or druid.

[@PhageMika]

The first pro made me die of laughter ''You suck at PvP, but you can run'' FeelsBadMan

[@DazePhase]

Yes I am the same. Everytime I play a different class, I miss having other things.

[@Vapir87]

Thanks for the video man, I have been thinking about druid come classic but I have ZERO experience in the class. I am finding myself having a tough choice on if I should stick with it or not as I have never really used macros all that much.

[@Caperfin]

Hey Ebb what's your opinion on the Regrowth trend on pservers? Although, it has a higher coefficient than what we might see in Classic, do you think we will stick with it since lately the TC'ing surrounding it is yielding better results? Also, I'd say one of the hardest aspect of pve resto druid is not overhealing.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah only time will tell, I personally don't like the regrowth method until after AQ40 on pservers

[@Ghost_PM11]

You forgot cat durid is for fite

[@carlmcclatchie2122]

I played a druid from first release till the end of burning crusade when the game went tits up, and I could not agree more. I managed to get rank 13 in PVP should have made 14 but work got in the way and stuff. I loved playing a druid, I tried every spec for many years. I have to say my favourite PVP spec was balance as a night elf moonkin, starfire from stealth was just a 15% chance auto kill. (I had every decent spell power item worth getting) also WSG flag carrying as your video shows was key to a lot of my points over the course of playing a druid. I think they have the highest skill requirement of any class I ever tried, and i tried all the alliance classes. With classic coming out next week me and a lot of friends from the old days are gona play again, but this time as horde, I wanted so much to relive my druid feeling but have decided to go shaman the only class even more complicated to play than a druid imo. No stealth this time means I will have to face up to fights I do not fancy, but there in lays the beauty of the druid it could do everything and a high spell damage specced balance could toe to toe with a mage but burn mana twice as fast :( I loved druids but wanted a new challenge. I hope you are going to play classic again? I loved your video it was exactly as I remembered playing a druid. Except you did not have stealth starfire alliance druids are way WAY better. I still love your vid :)

[@MRkriegs]

Just found your channel, watched two druid videos and insta subbed! Thinking about making a druid alt in classic, enjoying your videos

[@Ebbnflow]

Awesome! Glad you enjoy the content!!

[@whyme4476]

Thanks so much for this video. Helped me decide NOT to go with a Druid for Classic. Played a Druid from BC and loved it and none of these issues were present

[@DrunkenGuitarGuy]

Why Me whats it like to not have a mind of your own?? fact is tbc isn't very far removed from classic, but this idiot has made up your mind since you don't have one of your own!

[@Dealwithityt]

Hey, great video that helped me make my decision ! can i get the list of the addons in the AQ clips? (raid frame, unit frame, trinket etc) ?

[@Tuiscon]

What about moonfire spam?

[@tylerkujawa345]

With the regrowth spec you are most definately able to top the healing meters if you super tryhard i am in one of the top alliance guilds on northdale and i am in the top 2 or 3 every raid in HPS this does require a lot of consumables though keep up the druid content :)

[@Ebbnflow]

Thanks Tyler. While it is possible to top meters not many people can!! :)

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

I've heard a lot of people saying that they use regrowth a lot on private servers and I think they have the math wrong. I played druid all the way through WoW and I hardly used regrowth outside pvp. I saw a video that said they are giving the full +healing on both the heal and the HOT, whereas in classic it got a lot less. I'm not saying anything for sure, but just beware of what you learn from these private servers. Very small differences can change the playstyle of a class completely.

[@Ebbnflow]

@@TheToledoTrumpton yes! I have heard that the healing coeficient of the hot portion of regrowth might be messed up on private servers, we will have to wait and see I guess

[@ivenousername]

The issue is that healing meters are not a measure of skill.

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

@@ivenousername Not a very precise one anyway. You do need to be doing a certain amount of healing though.

[@Pharto_Stinkus]

Didn't you make a video recently where you said you don't use hardly any macros?

[@rushork4103]

I think he means macro as in "large-scale", Druid's are looking at the bigger picture all the time.

[@Pharto_Stinkus]

@@rushork4103 No, he clearly means "macro" as in command line scripts assigned to buttons. He even gives several examples.

[@tenjenk]

He did list it as a negative.

[@spotthespy]

What was your issue with Tauren? Just wondering.

[@trendkillcfh]

I'd love to see a video about pvp strats versus each class, as a resto on a private server (think it is the same as yours) I can get away but never seem to be able to secure kills. Maybe I'll try and see if you are on one day and run some stuff by you

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah it can be tough, I want to do an in depth guide for matchups versus each class

[@brandencodynecula4466]

Really awesome and helpful video. I played priest through vanilla until cata and then rolled druid. Have rocked resto druid ever since and just love it so much. Really torn for classic between priest or druid. Only con that matters to me is lack of an OOC res. Thoughts?

[@Grodoth]

It is possible for a druid to top or atleast be competetive in the healing meters, 1 druid per raid is skilling regrowth + rejuvenation. He gets insane late AQ early Naxx. Con is only one druid per raid is allowed to do this job. but keeping the hots up on the tanks and throwing here and there is boosting hps insanely. Another Con is when you do this, you slurp mana potions and demonic runes all day... but you can be #1 at some fights.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah, it definitely gets costly on mana so you have to be prepared!

[@lolleonlolable]

i think we had like 3 or even 4 healing druids in bwl and i remember playing heal druid myself in aq etc. didnt feel like i was a shitty healer or didnt feel like the other druids were bad. u just spam a low rank healing touch allday, pretty much the same as priests do also spamm low rank heals.

[@SkarrGaming]

@@lolleonlolable Depends on the healing build. You've got the Swiftmend build which is more focused on the tanks. Then you have have Moonglow which makes you more mana efficient and typicial heal the rest of the group / your assigned groups.

[@lolleonlolable]

what macros ? swapping wep while innervating ? i dodnt remember having any macros on my druid. (other than wep swap or maybe bear wep swap too)

[@WildlandsGG]

Shifting macros are crucial. Being able to one button Dash / Charge / Bash etc and power shifting is vital to play at it's best.

[@greenlee5460]

When I started playing wow it was back in lich king. I mained a feral for years loved it, I loved all the utility I had with innervates bear form and tranq. when blizz removed that utility it really feels like im missing something in the game now. my question for you is would it be possible for me to play a feral in classic and be brought to raids? I of course would try off healing using innervate etc when needed but I wanna be a kitty :(

[@Ebbnflow]

You can definitely play feral, its just a lot of work and you have to try hard and have a very solid dps rotation for it to work

[@MrMuppetlord]

The thing why raids might want a feral druid is to buff the rouges/hunters or warriors mainly with the +3% crit aura. But its more often when the guild have become a bit more geared and thinking wider then before. Might be hard in the beginning to get a spot as feral. easier as a healer. and its still allot of versatile. I still used to get some ups in even as rest druid if fights just because of the good mana/hp healing and mana gain.

[@equinosx3263]

The only con i mind is the gnomeregan farming, why did blizz add charges instead of a cd :(

[@Ebbnflow]

Ahh yes, the gnomer farm is a pain!! A cd would be nice...

[@equinosx3263]

@@Ebbnflow i mean, they could put a lets say... 10 min cd for the normal people but with the same mechanic of farming, so the supertryhards still had a huge advantage for their effort. Love your vids man btw!

[@Ebbnflow]

@@equinosx3263 Thanks man, glad you enjoy them!

[@sylvesterpedersen171]

Also can u list the UI addons u use for raid frames etc??

[@Ebbnflow]

Bongos and Luna unit frames are my UI addons! Hope that helps

[@AleksandarJakovski]

Which server was that on the end? Nice feature, full health and Cds after a duel.

[@StinkyBagel]

Aleksandar Jakovski henhouse PvP server. You can find the discord on google

[@AleksandarJakovski]

@@StinkyBagel I knew it! That zone and everything, Hen did amazing job on smolderforge my favorite tbc server for the past 11 years!

[@Vr6Zecke]

Will tauren have the greater hit boxes in classic? if so it is already a disatvantage to play horde druid ...sure u get used to it but.. for a runaway class it is not nice to suffer from

[@asldfjkalsdfjasdf]

they do have a bigger hitbox ... males even slightly more than female tauren

[@JanGBlubb]

That leveling guide would be awesome for classic. I'm sure on rolling a druid but not sure about leveling rotation and what's efficient.

[@Ebbnflow]

Sounds good! Definitely can work on that

[@JanGBlubb]

@@Ebbnflow Would be awesome to get your insight and perspective! Thx

[@cannable420]

Could you do a video on how to get things like the feralheart rainment, cenarion set, and things like that?

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah I'll probably add that with pre bis gear video!

[@MrTraffix]

Nice Video! I really want to make one. Looks like it should be an elf. Too bad, I always loved it when these big cows does turned into cats or birds XD

[@nickconrad9602]

I played a druid all through my wow career it's a love hate relationship

[@desertranger82]

Druid became the most broken class after tbc lol

[@joshw3719]

Great video! I'll be maining a druid on classic because I just genuinely love the class not because their the best at anything. also i love the underdog mentality, also I love how complex the class is I could never play a rogue as a main because it's so braindead it's not even funny who cares if I'm topping the charts if I'm not having fun.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah all good points. I played a rogue in og classic back in the day but switched to druid after playing one for a while and realizing just how versitile they are!

[@stantheman9002002]

This video is making more bummed to play this class when it comes out... still gonna play it tho

[@derek9807]

Thanks for pointing out these cons as I think many have skewed views of vanilla druids. There's a reason this was one of the least played classes back in Vanilla and I think it boils down to the "master of none" along with the fact that there's a lot to manage as a druid, much more so than other classes, and the work for many won't be worth it. Having stances like a warrior, needing to watch yourself and others for heals, and then also manage your surrounding opponents is quite a game in itself. It's a completely different playstyle than other classes. The only one that came close for me was Disc Priest later in wrath. I'm glad you mentioned macros as macros and keybindings were always in constantly changing for me as I found more efficient ways to play. I'm always curious how other druids set up their macros and binds. In addition I'm also curious about self and party member healing. I used the self target modifier key back in the day and then had party members bound but curious how others do it. Would be awesome to have a macros and keybinding video and also why certain spells are in bars for certain forms.

[@Ebbnflow]

Hey Derek, yeah druid macro video seems to be the biggest suggestion right now, going to get that out soon!

[@akhsdenlew1861]

tbh... i was main druid in vanila. Class was weak but since it was super fun and capable of dealing with any problem in any situation, i was super fine. But problems that cannot be changed and stopping me from playing druid in classic : the gear... just like any hybrid class in vanila.. i just hate the way hybrid gear works in vanila.. TBC and wotlk handled that way better. And the other one is the farm. With mage, in northdale i was rich in no time... cus aoe farming is just insane.. i don't wanna skip that.

[@achromatic8637]

What talent tree do you recommend for someone trying to casually raid and do PVP in their off time? Ideally I want to be a core raider but real life obligations come first. I would like to bear tank and go full feral but would 0/30/21 provide more all around utility?

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah 0/30/21 is awesome!

[@sylvesterpedersen171]

just found ur channel, subbed DUUUUDUUUU

[@ahnoldshort5500]

A well played Druid is a thankless role at times, but I think they are the best 5 man class in the game...I always appreciate a well played Druid in my group.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

unless if u die and then u have to run all the way back to your group just cus blizzard didn't give a ress to that healer. Which was obviously a mistake that was fixed later on.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@M Z warlock can't ress, if u have a priest, the priest will be healing the group. So there's no room for you. Shaman... yea if u have shaman ench or ele he can ress ur group.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@M Z yea i call that bullshit.. i was playing vanila as well u know. Again SS is not a ress.. and if u have a shaman or a priest in the group then yea problem solved... but if u have a shaman or a priest, u probably don't wanna take a druid.

[@dawsonporter8085]

I want to be really good at pvp, wether it be 1v1 or big team battles, im torn between druid and warrior, any thoughts? I fear druid because I feel like I wont be able to kill anything

[@niqow8920]

Whats the name of the addons u use cause they look pretty damn clean. :)

[@Ebbnflow]

Luna Unit frames, its super nice!!

[@nahojnosslrak8807]

How do you feel about the HotW Build? I was thinking of going for it and be able to tank,heal and dps when i play scholomance with my friends.

[@sonofkrypton8417]

When does Druid get maul and lacerate ?

[@baberaham]

From what I've seen from Shedo, I was under the impression that a powershifting feral with crowd pummeler can top dps charts consistently without out-gearing the warriors and rogues. What is your take on the powershifting meta?

[@Ebbnflow]

Oh, its strong. Just takes a lot of time before each raid and you wont beat really good warriors or rogues but you definitely can be top 10 in a 40 man.

[@baberaham]

@@Ebbnflow Thanks for the input!

[@demo3456]

Its skill ceiling my dude. I've enjoyed the videos..

[@Vachdemort]

A skill floor is the lowest level of skill required to play a class/character effectively, whereas a skill ceiling is the point at which increasing your skill no longer makes any difference in how well you're doing. Except for the LoL community, which I hear has a different definition for the term skill-floor..

[@gmork9279]

Very good video :D Is it possible to do more dmg with for example spell dmg in pvp gear or other gear for more dmg in cat form?

[@Ebbnflow]

Cat and bear scale off attack power which you get from strength and agility, so spell power has no effect on melee damage sadly!

[@gmork9279]

@@Ebbnflow But Wrath and Moonfire, healing spells and so one... they can benefit from spell power, so is it possible to do more dmg with spells if u have some spell power gear?

[@Ebbnflow]

@@gmork9279 yeah for sure, it will always help!

[@TheMMObro]

How are u shifting with a savory deviate delight? Didn't shifting remove stuff like that back in the day?

[@bfpskater]

it did. p servers were wrong. but noggen elixir doesnt break when shifting

[@solitaryinvoker9977]

If geared for it, you can twoshot people with a Ravage+Ferocious Bite or Starfire×2 combo, but since Druids don't have the crit talents of the Rogue it wont be anywhere near as dependable. However, catching someone sitting down will guarantee a crit with Ravage, and in those situations you have a high chance of 2-3 shotting someone. Also a fun thing I like to do, is to open in Stealth, lock down the target, run away and restealth, and reopen with either Ravage or open with another Pounce and lock down again, playing with my target. If you PvP with Wolfshead Helm and have the Furor-Talent, you can burst someone down in Cat form with Shred+Powershifting. If fighting 2 players you can Root/Sleep the other while bursting the other down in Cat. An especially sweet part of that is, since the base damage of Druid is surprisingly high, you can do a surprisingly high burst combo with Shred+Powershifting even if playing naked. The negative of it is that you are vulnerable while in Cat form, but the Feline Swiftness-Talent helps pretty good there, including in making you be the first to open in Stealth against a Rogue if specced for it. If you and the Rogue both have the 5-point better Stealth, and the Rogue has the extra points in detecting stealthed targets, and you have Feline Swiftness, the Rogue will be able to spot you 1 step further away than you can spot the Rogue, but because of you moving so much faster in Stealth than the Rogue, you will be the one to get the opener. Just do this while moving, jump constantly ahead while facing sidewaysbackwards while having a Pounce+Attack macro set to the Mousewheel hotkey and let the mousewheel roll freely while moving. And Feral Druid can actually be top on DPS. The best Rogues and Warriors will lie above you in DPS, but far from everyone plays at the max of their class. And regardless of being Nr 1 or not, if you use Powershifting if wearing Wolfshead Helm/Furor-Talent and use a Shred×5combos+Ferocious Bite combo while using Manual Crowd Pummeler, you will be able to be a top DPSer. Look up Shedo the Druid to see it in action. Also look up Skarmtank's videos on being a dedicated Raid Tank as Druid. They are really good.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yep, Shedo and Skarm are both great druids and highlight the strength of feral druids in terms of dps and tanking capabilities!! You can get some gnarly burst with crits in cat form, but you struggle to lock down apponents like you can as a rogue which makes bursting people down in pvp a bit tricky, but I agree with you it is possible!

[@solitaryinvoker9977]

@@Ebbnflow Yeah, it's not as cut and simple as with a Rogue but it's actually really easy. Just needs to go about it differently than a Rogue would. I think of it as a Hit & Run tactic, where you keep the other player stunned/Rooted the whole time while your Dot/Bleeds take half their healthbar from each time to run away and restealthed to open again. Or keep the Rooted while bursting them down with spells, or just go rampage with Powershift+Shred, hell that tactic has even worked against Warriors for me. Or wear them down by tanking them... So many options for playing with your prey :D

[@lolleonlolable]

Manual Crowd Pummeler ??

[@archaontheeverchosen7980]

I hear being top dps as feral in pve is not unheard of just unlikely as hell sound right?

[@fg5332]

Nope they are crap as feral only have 1 just to buff thr tank or melee

[@nathancasey7712]

Yo I was pretty set on going Tauren for classic then I realized I won't be able to drink in stealth. What do you think about this? I feel like a druid should never be exposed like this and that will annoy me in wpvp if I'm sitting in the open drinking like a mage. Warstomp is sick but I just can't get over this.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah, both rqcials have their place. I think its just what you get used to. Warstomp saves me so often being able to get a full cast regrowrh or roots off, but shadowmeld is definitely really nice for wpvp and stealth drinking. Too bad we just cant get both... haha

[@Mixwell1983]

Fwiw thats why i rolled a nelf priest on a pvp server in vanilla Already had a gnome rogue so my alt was a female ne priest..shadowmeld held a lot in open pvp when leveling and also times id afk to go to the bathroom or something and not get ganked.

[@63Limar]

Still splitting between rolling a NE druid or Dwarf Priest (going shadow in PvP) FeelsBadMan

[@Ebbnflow]

Druid and priest are both super strong in pvp. Spriest in 1v1s are great too, really can hold their own!

[@SuperYtc1]

Stop rolling. Play WoW Classic instead.

[@63Limar]

@@SuperYtc1 I am not gonna sub for retail only for a chance of beta. If it was 100% access and no lvl cap then maybe.

[@69baran69]

Some great knowledge. Subscribed!

[@zs3000]

What is the spec being used in the video? :)

[@dg5059]

Resto / Balance hybrid spec I assume, that is what is considered best

[@vincentvega8321]

Great stuff, thanks a lot for that.

[@Ebbnflow]

Of course! Glad you enjoyed it

[@mzmagister]

Once you go all in in druid all the other classes fade in comparison. Love the comment about the rogue getting props for his (singe) flagrun. Did rank 11 as carrier i know exactly how that is :)

[@beverlywhitman303]

not for all of us, i've done every role on a druid and i still find shamans more fun to play, i will main a shaman and maybe first alt will be a druid every time. the only thing a druid has on a shaman is stealth imo.

[@slapkickz]

I play all classes in vanilla except Druid, should I play Druid yes or no

[@Kraflyn]

keep watching this video on loop until the answer becomes "yes"