Ebikers are WRONG about the Ebike Speed Law

[@e-VRC]

Be sure to check out my other videos on ebike law: Throttle law: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4S2h3eDnNWaeK8 Power law: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYTUmZqiiMSGhtk The drone that's filming me on the roads is the Hover X1 - a tiny automated drone that basically follows you around. My next video will be filmed exclusively by that drone! Check them out here, they're amazing! bit.ly/3rqL7gZ

[@Brit_81]

Under rated channel.... Really is. I got advise from you ages ago about this, and I got one, a 750w fat bike and have worked doing deliveries ever since, seen by the police many times and no issue so I just ignore the dam BS law. I just got a 1000W bike that looks like a motorbike, hopefully that goes ok, cant see why it wont, all unlocked. If there is going to be a law, maybe a 1000w and up to 20 to 25mph, only on the road or paths for cycle paths.

[@e-VRC]

Sorry I missed this. Glad you enjoy the channel. And glad your ebike journey is going well and in peace 😂👍

[@Right.To.Resistance]

I'm living in America and here is... - 20 mph for cycle lane - 28 mph for Class III(PAS) - 35 mph for Moped(upto) In my opinion, 20~30 mph is just quite enough. In addition, our motor power is 750 W nominal, don't care about peak power. The speed limit could be different from each area, but my opinion is if the cycle lane is fully covered in the city, we do not need to run faster, but in some point we must share the line with other car and motorcycle in the downtown or some narrow area. And in this case, if we ride slow speed, I think both, me and other car are dangerous to each other. So, I personally choice speeding, go on a sidewalk(legal here) or slowdown and passing the car or far away from the car. (...and must check my radar detector first, when I'm speeding.)

[@toydigger]

Race bikes go faster than most e-bikes yet there is no law for them

[@longdang2681]

@@toydigger It's about being able to control the vehicle and safety. Most people who complain about the E-bike speed limit being too slow actually want an E-motorbike; but don't want the legal responsibilities and cost associated with having license, insurance etc. Electrically assisted E-bikes are only meant to assist people in riding their bikes. They are not meant as a means to break the road laws. If you can't normally safely ride at speeds exceeding 15.5mph then why would an E-bike help you be more dangerous on the roads ? Race bike riders would normally gradually pick up speed when it's safe to do so; they don't just throttle to the highest speed possible. E-motorbikes are meant for those who want an E-bike that can go faster than 15.5mph.

[@tiddles4x4]

From personal experience and talking to local bike shops. The consensuses is that 18mph would be the ideal speed before the pedal assist stops. This is a very reasonable speed and a speed that is easily achievable on the flat by the average rider on a non powered bike. Even at that speed a razer blade on wheels will flash past me like I am standing still!!! 18mph is still a safe speed, having costed down a hill at 30mph I was aware that if something happened and I came off it was going to be very painful. I agree with your observation about the bike traveling at 25mph. As a professional driver and cyclist I can see both sides of the argument and I drive my waggon in a way that is respectful to all road users. The biggest frustration I have is the 250 watt restriction. What you have to consider is that as soon as you pass 15.5mph you are suddenly affected by the weight of the bike and maybe a little motor drag. On my Bosch powered Scott Aspect there is very little motor drag but its a 25Kg bike before you add items like penners and other accessories. I am maybe a little over weight at 100Kg but even on a medium to steep climb the motor is too weak to provide usable assistance even in 2nd gear. I suspect the motor is more than 250 watt as the bike is sold outside the EU and its unlikely that they do a different motor for different laws. They simply put a power restrictor on it for the EU market. But I could be wrong.

[@FingersniffingGynaecologist]

Yeah you’re right, yours is probably more like a 1000w being an expensive bike I’ve got a cheap C90 and that’s also sold all over but is advertised on Amazon as being 250w but it’s 750w and I get 35mph with quite a boost. Yours will only need a few quick clicks to unlock the top speed I would imagine, most of them are just restricted with the software rather than a wire so it’s easy enough. I’ve bought 250w stickers off eBay and put them on the motor and frame for if I get pulled but I wont be able to explain the twist throttle though.

[@ModProjects4306]

My biggest problem is the motor and throttle laws, it’s ridiculous. One of the first videos I did on my channel a couple of months ago I stated I’d be happy with 15.5mph as long as I could have a 750w motor to get me there. I weigh 250lb. On Saturday I rode nearly 50 miles on my Engwe Engine X in PAS 5 and rarely went above 16-17 mph unless it was downhill. (I’ve modified my Engine X to 50ah by the way) I agree about the brakes … I have Magura MT5e’s on the front and 2 piston hydraulics on the rear. Mechanical brakes don’t cut it on the 20x4 fat e-bikes. Helmets and mirrors should be compulsory too as well as brake lights. All that said … 20mph is a happy medium, get rid of that ridiculous throttle law (it’s dangerous) and help heavier riders with 750w motors. Let us be responsible for ourselves and stop throwing ebikers in the same category as 15 year olds in balaclavas riding on the pavements two up at 50mph.

[@e-VRC]

Bang on. Totally agree with everything you said 👍

[@rayrussell6258]

I'm an adult capable of making my own decisions, and of taking my own acceptable level of risk. Therefore, no requirement imposing helmet or mirrors is acceptable. If YOU want those things no one is preventing you from having them.

[@ModProjects4306]

@@rayrussell6258 well done you. And when you finally have an accident and you get you head caved in let me know how the replacement brain operation went.

[@rayrussell6258]

@@ModProjects4306 I'm close to 70 and I've been riding bikes for 60 years, no mirrors or helmet, I can turn my head and look around just fine; it's foolish to not LIVE LIFE, because you worry about the sky falling all the time and can't enjoy anything. Sorry you are so sad ModProj, and think it's your job to tell others how to live their life; it must be miserable being you.

[@alanread8468]

Apparently the shop bought 250w as we know it are actually 500w, this was revealed by an ex engineer of bosch

[@kenleesuser1943]

Couple of things touched on in the video 1. throttle should be able to propel the bicycle up to its regulated speed can’t see why this is a problem 2. the maximum speed under assistance should be 20 mph which not only brings us in line with other European Countries but coupled with the throttle would enable the ( more mature) rider to navigate normal road gradients without having to keep peddling like mad to get up the gradient.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

it is possible to make throttle legal, but they need special approval kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3Lae4ibhbZ9h5Y

[@badabing8884]

Which countries in Europe allow 20mph on e-bikes without registration etc? I thought the 15.5mph was because of EU laws?

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

@@badabing8884 yes 25 km/h or 15.5 mph is the standard in Europe, however I think they should allow more power, with drivers license, to maintain speed uphills. Possibly keep the cutoff speed at 25 km/h Possibly only 250 W at startup, but allow more power to accelerate and maintain 25 km/h.

[@billwinnie1965]

​@@badabing8884 I think it's only the US is 20 mph

[@stephenhill8675]

15.5 MPH is the EU e-bike equivalent to 25 KPH e-bike laws adopted by the UK are all EU laws.

[@alanread8468]

I think that after many years of cycling and being able to easily achieve 17 mph +, that e bikes should be able to do 20mph to keep up with the flow of traffic better

[@tacticooldennis]

US e-biker here, Speed is completely based on location. 30mph is dangerous on a sidewalk, a busy city, or a crowded road. but if you are headed down an open highway you spend less time in the way of traffic if you can. Car traffic will be less angry on someone going 30mph, than going 10mph and blocking them. Naturally, there will be more accidents and deaths, it's a new thing and the hobby exploded faster than pickleball. My e-bike can go 50+ and I have hit those speeds to merge with traffic for short distances so I'm not stopping the flow and going back to the shoulder when it's safe. It's simply safer for me to travel at highway speeds than it is for me to go 12mph on a canyon road holding back traffic and forcing cars to go into oncoming traffic to pass.

[@killercushion]

Indeed.. Your roads and sidewalks are very different to ours.. Ours are small and unkempt. Many need work. Still our laws are ridiculous.

[@ohwell2790]

Can see at some point e-bikes will have to be registered and insured because of the immature ridders, it is coming

[@mesiroy1234]

20 miles is still break your bone 40 milles crash can kill you

[@helenbenjafield7351]

In the UK it's illegal to ride on a public footpath,there's an £800 penalty for doing so.

[@chrismarston2213]

I hear what you're saying about motorists having an irresistible urge to overtake a bike (electric or otherwise). However, rather than bowing to a human feeling, surely we should be focussing more on educating motorists (including ourselves) that the roads are a shared resource. In the interests of respect and safety, we should be promoting tolerance and and a bit of empathy. This works both ways, of course - As e-bikers, we also have a responsibility to behave safely and respect other road users. It all comes down to a bit of give and take and showing some self control. Personally I think powered assist to 20mph is a reasonable compromise between safety and encouraging folks to see the bike as a viable alternative to the car for shorter trips. Always entertaining videos - keep 'em coming! 🙂

[@TheOnlyKontrol]

I’m literally 25 years old and have been driving since 17 and I have steadily seen motorists get stupider and less patient each year…I think education is the way but I think to many people just don’t care sadly.

[@rdrhouse]

i think the education should be to the cyclists rather than the drivers. I do both, drive and cycle and i see more arrogance and disrespect from cyclists that car drivers. Yes there a right pigs out there driving, but if you were to put a ratio on drivers and cyclists, you would find every twenty car drivers there's at least one pig. But on the other hand with cyclists out of 20 there would be 19 pigs.

[@Pilotgeek]

It's definitely nice having the ability to keep with traffic depending on the road and situation. However, in the past few months I've also realized that it's often easier to ride slower than traffic. Here in the USA, even if I am on a Class 3 bike doing 28mph in a 25mph zone, it's still stuck in every driver's mind "I NEED to pass the bike" leading to an even angrier driver. Cruising at less than the speed limit does seem to cause less headaches. Likewise, on the trails I often putt with the motor off or low assist levels and never touch the throttle. I know from experience as a pedestrian that bicycles, assisted or not, just love to whiz by without warning so I always keep a bell on my bike to alert people. I often get thanked for ringing and calling out. It's important to keep the public's view of E-Bikes positive.

[@e-VRC]

Totally agree... oh hey I've seen your videos. Love what you do with a 3d printer 👍👍

[@goldenegg1063]

Ive had aggressive road rage today from and idiot in a big mercedes . I was following a truck in a big line of traffic at 20 - 30 mph for half a mile . Then all of a sudden he accelerated along side me shouting and swearing cus he obviously didnt like following a bike . He went absolutely nuts at me for just following traffic then slammed his brakes on . I just went onto the footpath and turned off cus hes obviously got serious mental health problems 🤪 . . In 2000 miles ive only had 3 raging drivers go mad at me because im following traffic . . I guess for some people, when they are bejng held up by traffic, theyve got to blaim the cyclist rather than the 10 vehicles im following 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@goldenegg1063]

EDIT..... IN A 30MPH ZONE

[@e-VRC]

@goldenegg1063 sorry you had to put up with this. Some people are idiots sadly. Tables turned he'd be raging at all the cars.

[@goldenegg1063]

@e-VRC lol yes.... when he sped in front then slammed his brakes on, . Thats when i took the pavement and just turned into a housing estate to take the long but quiet route back . I left him there all angry and fighty after hed just took his seatbelt off and opened the door . . The 10+ cars behind would of seen it all and got annoyed at him for stopping on a steap hill . . The best bit is just up the road is more traffic lights and more roadworks just after 😅 . . He must of sat there for ages looking like a right T##T, with all those people behind him blaiming him for missing the green light at the top and holding THEM up 😅 . . Ahhhhhh Instant KARMA

[@matthewjchild]

If we are able to maintain a speed of 20 mph, although still slower than other road users, we enjoy the advantage of easily stopping, allowing them to pass and then resuming our journey without the significant energy expenditure required of traditional cyclists. Moreover, it is crucial to embrace initiatives similar to those in Denmark, where dedicated cycle routes not only connect towns by cutting across the countryside but also require regular road sweeping to ensure debris-free paths, enhancing safety for cyclists.

[@ScreechingSoup]

That would never happen here, as the road sweepers barely clean the normal roads.

[@housedjnyc]

Man that sucks that the laws are so Draconian there in Europe. I’m in the middle of building a dual 3.5kw, 72v on a tiny Swagtron EB5 i scored that was non working for about 30 quid. I’m of course in rural, central Florida where no one is really paying attention to e-bikes or high powered scooters. A guy about 10lm from here built an 8kw mtn bike that has gone 86mph. I have not met a single person here in the USA that has an ebike or scooter speed limited to what the laws state. Even my daily commuter Swagtron EB7 with only a 350w motor, dual batteries, & controller shunt mod increased top speed from 15.6mph to 28.7. Add in the 69t front chainring and I can pedal it to 32mph. Granted this part of Florida is low population so it’s more or less animals you have to worry about hitting as almost no one walks here, especially when summers can exceed 40C in temps. We also do not have the scooter restrictions here either. I have an Evolv Sprint that will get a dual 1kw motor upgrade from the stock 36v 400w single motor setup. I wish you guys luck over there with those laws. Over here, California, NYC, and other liberal run areas are attempting to follow EU laws, but the rest of the country here is still wide open on things. We don’t even require smog or auto inspections here in Florida. So, for now, we get to enjoy a bit more freedom than most places. I’m going to create a new channel showcasing my builds very soon. Cheers from Sebring, FL!!

[@siimot]

I think the problem is if you de-restrict them too much you get idiots riding them like nutters on pavements etc, and it just ruins it for everybody else.

[@trydowave]

Then those riding like idiots should be penalised; not everyone.

[@pd4165]

@@trydowave Isn't that what speed limits are for car drivers? I'm an advanced driver and could drive around town at much higher speed than 95% of other drivers but I'm penalised into driving more slowly due to the lack of competence of other drivers. So we have laws restricting everyone because it must be made reasonable for the majority.

[@alanjewell9550]

As a non-ebike cyclist, I'm often at around 25mph in 30 limits. As recommended in the Highway Code, if I don't feel it's safe for motorists to overtake, I'll adopt prime position well out in the lane so they simply cannot overtake without using the other lane. Too many cyclists ride in the gutter which encourages unsafe, even illegal, overtakes

[@sdfjhdfgadfjasdrhasfhzc34]

Yup I ride my skateboard like that. It’s my lane now deal with it. Drivers can take it up with the people who open their doors without looking and drive too close when I do leave space

[@DemiGod..]

I have no issues on a bicycle or a recumbent trike. I ride in a similar fashion to yourself. Due to my training as an Advanced Rider and Driver though , I beleive has made me a very safe cyclist.

[@cashtimevideo1501]

Precisely. And riding in the gutter is in itself a hazard - having to avoid deep drains, pot-holes etc, with little room for maneuver when vehicles are overtaking you. Drivers don't always give you the required distance when passing, so we're often forced to ride tight to the kerb.

[@ohwell2790]

In the US the law for cyclist is ride as far to the right as is safe and cars must pass with a minimum of 3 feet, and your well out in the lane is just your ego and will get you hurt or worse.

[@alankemp1970]

@@ohwell2790Sort of- it’s actually similar to the UK in that you take more of the lane if it’s not wide enough, primary position. An extract from the USA rules and regulations for cyclists: Lane Positioning Bikes can share the same lane with other drivers. If a lane is wide enough to share with another vehicle (about 14 feet), ride three feet to the right of traffic. If the lane is not wide enough to share, “take the lane” by riding in the middle.

[@neilbradley5011]

In the USA there are many people who use 750w ebikes who would have a heart attack if they had to use pedal power alone.

[@anthonykinneen8443]

I personally think that 25km per hour seems to be a good speed to ride on open roads

[@dtz1000]

Too slow. I can run faster than that and I'm not even young.

[@not_so_native_native]

I feel like if you are over a certain age u should be able to go 30mph, u can now but registering an Ebike as a moped is so impossible. But I also believe an Ebike should be able to have any power and speed but we need to ride at speed limits. Just because then we the people can use the ebike for commuting to work at 15-30mph or able to play around off road with the higher wattages

[@jonspeak2807]

I’m really glad that I live in the states! Theoretically, 28 mph is the law, many ebikes go faster! They just have to be unlocked. We have e-bikes that go 40 mph! But, unlike Europe, we have empty sidewalks and streets. People DON’T walk here! Something that probably contributes to our obesity!

[@trydowave]

At least you got the choice.

[@jonspeak2807]

@ Amen 🙏! God bless the USA 🇺🇸

[@DavidLee-df888]

I agree with a lot of the other commenters here, 20 MPH. I'm not sure I can pedal my Engwe EP-2 Pro any faster anyway thanks to the damn fat tyres. It's so heavy that I'm starting to regret buying it instead of say the C-20 Pro. I'm even thinking of swapping the tyres out for semi slicks like the Kenda Kraze or the CST range.

[@-meganeura]

Fatbikes love to EAT batteries . They are very inefficient, only good in the sand or snow...

[@karlc9773]

My argument about 250 watts is that I live in a hilly area, and 250 watts doesn't have the power to get the bike up steep hills, so it's like a hill tax, for me sudden de-acceleration can be dangerous if a car is close behind you, which happens a lot

[@utubeape]

exactly,, and doing a hill start on a stationary ebike with the extra weight of the motor and battery is sometimes impossible for older people

[@TheWannabeOutdoorsman]

I'd like to weigh in here. I'm in America and my State's e-bike laws are 750w and 20mph. I'm currently riding the Jasion EB3. I find that on that small bike 12 mph is enjoyable AND safer to control. The faster I go the harder it is to control. 7mph is also enjoyable but there's less stability and a lot of handlebars jerking to keep straight. I'm assuming that on a larger bike the 20mph would be more satisfying and easier to control. With the EB3 I can barely go one-handed let alone hands free. On my 26" regular mountain bike I can go hands free at 7-8mph and the faster I go the easier it becomes to stay hands free even rounding corners. That's impossible with the EB3. You're correct that while driving the instinct is to overtake the rider. Before my State's bike laws included or differentiated internal combustion from electric bikes I was able to go 40mph on my diy 2-stroke conversion bike. Whenever I'd be riding in a 35mph zone at 35-36mph cars would ALWAYS speed up and pass me exceeding the posted speed limit to do so. "Nevermind the law, I absolutely require of myself to break the speed law and illegally pass this puny bicycle" 😢 People see a bicycle and have the insatiable desire to pass it. 🤷 Now that the law has been updated it's better because they can pass me much safer than before.

[@ohana_is_family]

The necessity to limit the speed to something comparable to normal bicycles is one factor. It affects blake-types, illuminatioon required, hemet-type etc. , the 2nd factor is that average speed increases will rapidly reduce the survivability and types and severity of injuries. Advantage of the 25Km limit is that we will be talking about bicycles with an added motor to help with hills etc. rather than about mopeds that have pedals to camouflage that they are not realistically comparable to bicycles and require better brakes, lighting, helmets etc. Personally, I'd prefer the limit to be raise to 18-20 mph. But I can live with 15.5

[@biolinkstudios]

i mean falling of at 2 miles hour is enough to do alot damage, I know from experience I have long lasting damage in my wrist now, ebikew throw you down

[@SimonHollandfilms]

i think there should be NO rules....only a law against dangerous driving on an e bike...pavement riding.etc.

[@recalcitrantjingo4869]

Where I live in South Australia thats how it is , the police have more important things to worry about than ebike riders !

[@EugeneLopez-tp5hb]

Humans are stupid, you need speed limits.

[@stephenhill8675]

That is a ridiculous and irresponsible statement I have heard for a long time most cyclists do not show common sense let alone obey laws. Your idea would end in carnage.

[@stanhry]

@@stephenhill8675no, what is ridiculous is punishing the equipment and not the operators. Objects don’t commit crime people do. Education, etiquette, and general safety rules make more common sense than restricting the equipment. A dangerous and rude rider on a 250kw bike with no throttle is still a dangerous and rude rider while the polite and safe one is no problem than with a more powerful bike.

[@pd4165]

I live in an area where responsible people act responsibly and dickheads ride multi-KW 'bikes' causing absolute mayhem. It's completely lawless - the cops aren't allowed to give chase and every dickhead knows this so is encouraged to buy a high powered e-bike (not even pedal bikes, but unregistered electric motorbikes) because there's no way to catch them. This results in teens riding on congested roads at 60MPH and not even slowing for red lights. Untill we have policing that can catch lawbreakers then the only way to have any semblance of reasonable riding is to regulate what is available to ride.

[@igotes]

I'd be happy with 20mph, it's the speed limit in most town centres and residential areas. If I'm in my car following another vehicle (bicycles included!) doing 25, I'm not going to try to overtake, and I'm quite impatient.

[@leerutland6398]

Also, I’ve got to add to this. A blanket figure, such as 19mph is also wrong. Uber/lime bikes can alter the speed limit of their bikes according to zones. 10mph in a park and 19mph on a road would, I feel, be much more safe for everyone.

[@neilbradley5011]

The main thing when riding any kind of bicycle is to be alert to your surroundings and follow the rules of the road,traffic rules and the highway code. This also applies to any vehicle on the road ,whether it's a normal non-electic bike or a HGV.

[@gilbelgrove5503]

I have had a de regulated e bike for 5 years.The extra acceleration and speed has saved me from a lot of bad situations from following and overtaking cars.

[@PEMFron]

I have bought a Eskuta sx-250 series iii. Thanks for your encouragement from your videos. I find where I live is hilly, uphill downhill. I moved from a flat area you could go anywhere on my mountain bike. But I moved two years ago to a hiilly area. Back to speed question. It would be nice to have a speed of 20mph. Because every car and lorry are trying to pass me. I feel that at 20mph I might not be such a hinderence. The brakes on the sx-250 series iii are disk brakes. Which stop very good. I hope that my feedback helps. All the best Ron from South Derbyshire.

[@e-VRC]

I loved the Eskuta but I did wish with pedalling you could get it to about 20. I did sneakily derestrict it for a bit but the battery ran down fast. How are you finding the eskuta does up hills? I was fairly impressed and it's good that you CAN help by pedalling when going up hill.

[@9najtsirkruak]

So basically we should build more bike roads/lanes up the speed limit to 20mph and lower the car speed limit in the more built up areas.

[@gaviscon4304]

I wish we had more freedom in this country it wouldn't surprise me if ebikes were banned , we can't have any fun these days.

[@utubeape]

I wouldn't be surprised if private ebikes were banned by hired ones were legal, as with scooters, you see the rich who make the laws can buy shares in the hire companies before passing the law

[@contessa.adella]

A lot of recent imported e-bikes are actually mechanically very safe…they have sturdy frames, fat tyres designed to provide high grip even on loose materials and hydraulic disc brakes which are very effective. Some like the Cyrusher Kommoda now include a built in rear light and brake light. In cycle terms these machines are over engineered. As such the cycle is perfectly safe to operate at 30mph and probably 10mph more than that! The PROBLEM is the competence and care of the rider. Kids and young adults with no formal road craft training are the ones doing 90% of the inconsiderate, unsafe and illegal riding….They just don’t give a fig, until they are hit by a vehicle or run into a person. Not all young riders are unsafe or reckless, but the ones that are, bring scorn and draconian regulation down upon us all. I believe we need two or three tiers of ebike regs. T1: All ages may operate an electric vehicle upto 4 mph including on most otherwise pedestrian areas. T2: E bikes/trikes/ scooters and mono wheels for 18+ year olds limited to 20 mph subject to passing a mandatory basic road safety and awareness course. T3: E bikes/trikes/scooters (probably not mono wheels) upto 30 mph IF a full car/motorcycle/truck licence has been passed to validate knowledge of Roadcraft and theory elements. What we do not need…is more draconian, authoritarian police state control under the false guise of “safety”. What we DO need is a firmer application of existing road law to riders who ignore the rules and safe riding practice.

[@michaelroberts7679]

Ebike current legislation I have been considering the issues you raised in your videos regards ebike current legislation. The issues are far more complex and far reaching than just speed, power , throttle ,etc. You touch on some of the fundamental problems associated with electrical assisted bikes which also apply to scooters. I believe a complete review of the law is long overdue. This review should not only encompass speed, power output, throttle usage but include the following: Vehicle road suitability ( maintenance and possible test by approved test engineer) Vehicle classification Rider road training and competence (CBT) Possible vehicle insurance Possible registration At present no support structure exists to even maintain electric bikes or scooters to safe road suitability. There is no requirement for riders to be road competent. It's almost impossible to register an ebike currently with the DVLA (if you so desired) I see the main requirements as follows: 1. Vehicle to be road worthy and compliant to new regulations 2. Driver competent to use said vehicle 3 Driver to comply with the highway code regulations. Speed, power output, throttle usage would be irrelevant if Items (1-3) are adhered to. I am am a 68 year old disabled driver who has ridden ebikes since their first introduction years ago and l ride them for health reasons as well as for fun. I am currently deliberately breaking the law by riding a powerful ebike with a 750 w motor derestricted with a throttle fitted because I need to overcome the inertia of a heavy bike with a pedal assist system that requires me to turn the crank several times before the motor engages which because of my disability and weight I find difficult. I am allowed to modify my motor vehicle to accommodate my disability so I do the same with my ebike even if I am breaking the law for the first time in my half century of driving. I have a full driving licence and have been driving cars, motorcycles etc. For over 50 years and hold a current CBT motorcycle license. My observations are based upon my experience gained during this time. And I feel It's not so much the vehicle or power that is dangerous but incompetent drivers using unroadworthy vehicles not complying to the current legislation as other road users have to. I personally would be willing to undergo some form of ebike CBT if it existed Have my bike maintained serviced and tested by competently trained cycle engineers if they existed. Insure my bike if proper insurance schemes were available. Obviously my comments are controversial but not only the law but the complete support structure regarding electrically assisted vehicles need to be addressed by concerned and informed parties and not just some uninformed unelected committee of politically motivated MPs .

[@borisbolshoi7317]

It’s quite tricky tbh. I’ve been on a road bike doing intervals on the way home trying to get the speedometer over 40 mph on a bike lane next to a dual carriageway and had a random person jump out of a bush was so sketchy, didn’t realise bike lanes are only designed to be ridden on at less than 16 mph. Bicycle helmets are only designed to work up to 12 mph. So they’d need to stipulate a different helmet. I’m so glad you mentioned the pavement thing there are shared paths which are gravel if you’re doing 25 on a heavy ebike I don’t think people could control it without a throttle . There’s actually too many things to list to why they shouldn’t put it past 15.

[@arthurarsekey6634]

My Bafang does 45 in power 5 mode but is legal in power 1. I use power 1 around towns/built up areas and higher powers on the open road. Have been passsed in both directions by the police at 30 + and as it is a pedal assist set up and I'm pedalling, they dont bat an eyelid. I like the idea of having to gain training certification to ride higher power bikes, but there should be an unrestricted upper limit for category 3 or whatever the label.

[@iantheinventor8151]

The 15.5mph is fine with me, the bike has helped me improve my health. Saw a video recently where a UK supplier took bikes that they’d assembled to the Government to be tested and allowed to use a throttle up to the permitted speed, each bike needed testing individually for approval.

[@lizvickers7156]

I agree , my 250 watt e bike is ok with me. I don't want to be going 20 or 30 miles an hour. If you get knocked off at those speeds your either going to die or be seriously hurt No thankyou.

[@GWAYGWAY1]

I cannot do more than 11 mph it gets so hard to pedal faster that it feels like it has the brakes being put on harder.

[@kjm-ch7jc]

On my British built/made e-bike the motor cuts out around 17mph, the handbook states there is a plus/minus allowance I presume this is allowed in law.

[@nateg5767]

Is a licence required for electric tricycle that can go 3.7mph ?. Also, is a licence required for electric tricycle that can go 15.5mph ?. I'm getting contradicting information from gov.uk website and police! Does anyone know the law on this !?

[@e-VRC]

Tricycles follow the same laws as bikes. Both of those speeds don't need a licence but if there's a throttle that takes it over 3.7 mph or the trike has more continuous power than 250w then it's technically not allowed on the roads

[@nateg5767]

@@e-VRC Cheers. One more thing... I want to be legal on the road and want a electric cargo tricycle... Can you recommend any that I should buy ? (the price is not a problem for me).

[@keithnash9884]

the UK has some of the most ridiculous rules on ebikes, segways, scooters etc when compared with the rest of the world. so how come when I was 12 years old on an Eddie Mercs 12 speed drop handlebar pedal cycle I could easily do 30 mikes an hour down a great Lancashire hill with a wind behind me and no legal implications what so ever and now on an ADO A16 I have to restrict it's potential to just 4 miles and hour - and remove the throttle to replace with a thumb switch - and only am allowed 15 mikes an hour in assist mode? crazy crazy crazy. having said all that I had the ADO for a week, rode it four time and came off, why? because the suspension made it chatter rather than stop when brakes applied, the dry weight made it impossible to side skid to a stop and the turning circle with such narrow handle bars made it just about miss a parked car. and that was set at full throttle mode 10 miles an hour. that's' all 4 years ago and I dare say the new Ado carbon is a nod in the right direction. ditch the rules let cheap, easy, green transport flourish.

[@thelonercoder5816]

The only view I follow is this (as an american): 6-10 mph mph around pedestrians on sidewalks, 10-16 mph on sidewalks with no pedestrians and trails, 16 - 25 mph in bike lanes, 25+ mph in the streets riding with traffic. Never had an issue with cops doing this..

[@e-VRC]

That makes a lot of sense

[@Chris558576]

I would be happy with 20mph, i can do that on a bicycle but its some more power thats needed, Some places like where i live are very hilly & its a stuggle to move at a sensible speed because of that.

[@iandavies6575]

He needs to raise his seat as he is not getting full extension on his legs when he cycles

[@davidwhitworth4577]

Personally i would like the speed limit to be 25-30mph

[@davidwhitworth4577]

@SB-dg8hq true, however even the 50-125cc can and do get derestricted to travel above the regulations

[@Bitsforboats]

@@davidwhitworth4577But that doesn’t make you RIGHT, does it?

[@colincampbell4261]

Get a moped then.

[@davidwhitworth4577]

@@colincampbell4261 go play in traffic

[@Andrea-B-65-UK]

Complete deristriction of ebikes for anyone with a full motorcycle license, like me who's been riding motorbikes since the mid 1970s & have ridden in excess of 200mph For anyone without a full bike license keep ebikes restricted without training, up the speed to about 30mph with CBT training & no limit for having a full bike license Make the CBT course & test fairly difficult with a similar criteria as motorcycle training with parts 1, 2 & 3, highway code, training centre & road riding evaluation

[@LarsaXL]

Gotta love the logic of: "Car drivers are entitled and will make dangerous passes even when there's little to no actual gain... therefore we must limit a completely different vehicle." Cars... the problem is cars..... Now I actually do think that 25kph, is perfectly fine for my e-bike. It's quite relaxing and I feel like it is a good maximum speed for any bike lane that interacts with pedestrians. I do go significantly faster on my regular old bike, but I'm honestly glad e-bikes are limited like that. However, with city planning being what it is, I am often forced up on the 50kph roads, which I hate, though I feel that would be a lot safer if I could hit a switch and get a temporary speed boost to keep up with traffic. Though as you point out, as long as I'm on something that resembles a bicycle I could be doing 100kph and every car would still feel the primal need to evertake me.

[@cjwhiterabbit1]

20 - 25 mph is adequate, live in S London and downhill on an L20 on level 3 assist can easily overtake a bus where there's no bike lane, on the flat / uphill even on greater "assist" am right on it's tail ... infuriating

[@warrioromarzthefirst5949]

My e scooter does 40mph in uk never ever been stopped or even questioned. If anything people are curious at how fast they can be pushed too. Scotland btw not a city.

[@derekjolly3680]

As far as I'm concerned when you take into account traffic that an e-bike rider can be in, not even on the highways that is, where occasionally the flow can be at 35-40 MPH, I don't see any valid enough reason not to allow that. It's safer for the riders, and the automobile drivers aren't being as tempted to make unsafe passes on a single lane with opposing traffic for him. Here the official limit on a Class III e-bike is 28MPH was translates to power assist up to 31-32MPH. Admittedly it's not that often to be in that traffic flow, but it does happen. I hate being squeezed in that situation.

[@gummyerin]

Got mine chipped , can do 62mph only if youve got the leg power , but restricted it to 30 mph because you only go 20mph maybe 25mph

[@gbxngeryt]

I swapped out screen and derestricted my e-bike and it’s great, only downside is that the range is now 35km compared to 50km when restricted…

[@paulgovan3507]

..but what if you un-restrict it and only want to go up to 20mph for short stretches of say 400 metres? I use power for only about half of each trip - what about you? Paul G

[@egonzalez4294]

Power limit is my main pain point. I live in Finland, I need a fatbike to go through some roads that are covered in snow, 250W is like, 10kph....

[@e-VRC]

Totally agree. I feel like people should be able to do 25kph uphill too

[@steve01949]

I have a 250w Jorvik electric mountain trike which weighs 50+kgs, plus tools, etc. I weigh about 85kgs. It does have a "throttle" but this will only power the trike to walking speed, on level ground. On even the gentlest slope, a hill start is very difficult, if not impossible. 250w is not nearly enough power to pull away safely uphill at a busy road junction. If there is loose gravel, it's even worse. I do not have a real problem with the max powered speed. At 74, 15.5 mph is quite fast enough for me, but 20mph would be better.

[@wonderingworld119]

15.5 seems to work to be honest. I certainly do not think it is ridiculously slow, but it is not fast. I think the main one would have to be the 250w. It could not be any lower. We should be allowed 500w/maybe 750 peak. Throttles I am not too bothered about, they are good for pulling away, but as long as you have a 4mph button and a low gear it should not be that bad. If you are in a high gear... what you doing in a high gear waiting to pull away?

[@kings9634]

Ok so here my take, 1 -15.5mph is fast enough for a e-bicycle -reason for this is that I’m a city dweller and I have seen how a large majority of unregulated “e-bicycle” speed bus none e-bicycle in a narrow cycle lane 2-you state what is the difference between a car user who has taken a test years ago compared to a cyclist -for a start the driver needs an annual MOT to make sure the motor is road worthy and I can tell as a bicycle mechanic I see a lot a e-bike that I would ride with no motored assist let alone with one.Then the car is registered to a single user or family and if lets say someone was to jump a red light and hit and run there is a far greater chance that the motor could be identified. 3- if you want to go 30min then get a moped or in another method just use a cycle. In the city bicycle are a mode of transport for most for other it is just a way to piss about and have fun and then there are thouse that are just dick heads “you now who you are”

[@gusmitchell4068]

I've done a bit over 4k on an ebike and to be honest the speed assist limit doesn't bother me considering you can use them anywhere a normal bike is allowed

[@rockstar69ster]

I believe you should be able to go 30 or 35 mph if that's the posted limit as long as weather permits and you have insurance on it and tagged.

[@goingoutotheparty1]

I think it depends on the rider experience and road awareness along with the bike capabilities i.e decent brakes. Also a CBT or motorbike license could be required for over 15mph...

[@rayrussell6258]

No special licensing, governments already reach too far into our personal space. Truthfully, the license laws they have are really more about revenues for government than they are for safety.

[@burgersnchips]

There are legal electric bikes that can do more with a motorbike license etc.

[@Kie-7077]

I think you need to keep in mind that e-bikes are allowed on shared use paths and 15.5mph is probably good for a lot of those but for roads 15.5mph is a pain even when the speed limit is just 20mph. Call me undecided because it's not simple, like if you had a switch to switch from 15.5mph to 19mph, lets be honest - nobody would ever switch back to 15.5mph.

[@JimGriffOne]

The law should be: · 1kW motor (or 500W + 500W front and rear, or any balance people want) · 30MPH limit · Twist 'n' Go allowed up to 30MPH · New category created for "e-Bike", as opposed to "MOPED" Simple as, but governments want total control over our private travel, eventually removing our right to private travel completely, so they can get everyone on subscription schemes run by government and corporations. This is to limit how far we're allowed to go, using "carbon footprint" limitations as a means of control.

[@e-VRC]

Would there be any requirements? Insurance or training? And are they still allowed in parks etc? And if it goes the same speed as a moped what's the difference?

[@stanley3647]

@@e-VRC i agree - this without training/experience will be deadly (like for some teenagers in Wales, running from police) Rules should stay same for people under 21 year old over this - 20MPH/500W limit and 28MPH/750W with any full licence (can be moped, bike or car licence) insurance - optional ;)

[@burgersnchips]

​@@e-VRCevery road user should have insurance, identification (eg plates) and training. It's dangerous to use all vehicle types even a horse.

[@Fromatic]

@@stanley3647 this would be a good approach, except bump it up to 30 for the last level, 28 still invites the overtake but at 30 you could reasonably sit in the middle of the lane and when a driver behind realises you're doing 30 most would just follow like they would any other vehicle doing the speed limit

[@JimGriffOne]

@@e-VRC Aye, I think a licence and insurance would be good, the same as with Mopeds (and motorbikes).

[@peaheaduk]

Why has nobody mentioned the Pedibal E-Cruiza Throttle DVSA certified Ebike. The first ebike to apparently be certified for use with a throttle.

[@jamespoyntz7876]

250 Watts is totally inadequate where I live. The area is known as Mini Switzerland so uphill speeds of 4 mph are hard and downhill 40mph is a breeze until it comes to stopping. Nirvana would be 15.5mph uphill and downdale.

[@stephenjackson6515]

I think you hit the nail on the head, hence the lower speed of 15mph...so not to interfere with the 20 mph zones being brought in across the UK. Good video, thanks AI

[@waktosha7378]

Keeping up with traffic is a damn good argument when your bike can go the speed limit! Cars don't need to pass you if you are doing the speed limit.

[@Spaxify]

Hi dude I was look at a DYU bike but it has a throttle and does 15.5mph... how is this legal? As I thought it was 3.7mph throttle only? Thanks

[@Hfil66]

Another issue I have with eBikes driving at traffic speeds is the tendency of bikes (including eBikes) to keep near the kerb, and so meaning that while it is illegal for cars to overtake on the inside that is exactly what high speed bikes are likely to be doing.

[@horrovac]

Who says you can't go faster than 15.5 mph on an e-bike? You can go 150 mph on that as well - if you can do that without the motor. Ebikes may be ridden on the bike path because they are not classed as a motor vehicle, even though they have a motor. It is a concession. The speed limit is there to keep cyclists safe on their protected infrastructure - protected from MOTOR VEHICLES, which, as an exception, you're not classed as. There is no right to be propelled by a motor on a bike path, you're *granted* a *privilege* to do so, provided the motor doesn't propel you to dangerous speeds. I am, frankly, quite annoyed by the entitlement of Ebikers who demand the whole arm after having been graciously granted a little finger. You want to ride your Ebike faster than 15.5mph? You absolutely can! But then it's not a bicycle any more, it's a motor vehicle, like a scooter or a motorbike. That means you need licence plates, insurance, you're obliged to wear a helmet, and you may not ride on bike paths. We have a couple of d***heads around here who ride unrestricted illegal Ebikes on bike paths. They are terrifying. Heavy, bulky things, often kitted out with lot of stuff like phones or tablets on handlebars, large panniers or bags, blindingly bright lights. They are at least as heavy as a scooter, run on huge, noisy and slow MTB tyres, the riders sit bolt upright and pass a (pretty quick) road cyclist like me as if it were nothing. If something similar were allowed on the bike paths, even with 20mph, what's the point of a bike path? You can just as well ride in traffic.

[@cafedelmario]

Hey man whats the model of the bike you are riding that looks foldable and has the yellow colour? Cheers

[@e-VRC]

@@cafedelmario maybe a bezior x1500?

[@JosephPalmerT5D5]

You are stupendously wrong with with the point regarding speed. You argue against yourself by citing safety for the current 15.5 mph speed cap. Regardless, try going round a large roundabout without assistance, or whacking your inner pedal on the tarmac. That's bloody dangerous. If you are prevented from going with the flow of traffic, you are in danger. 20mph and 30mph should be the norm. It's statistically safer for every road user. Government statistics demonstrate this. Those with an infirmity are prejudiced by current legislation. Need I go on?

[@pd4165]

Please cite your source. The Department for Transport says (about all accidents involving bicycles) 'The factors are largely subjective, reflecting the opinion of the reporting police officer, and are not neccessarily the result of extensive investigation'. So if you happen to have more accurate information about keeping up with traffic I'd be delighted to read it, if you'd be so kind.

[@V70P3rules]

​@@pd4165PetitionIncrease the maximum assisted speed for e-bikes from 15.5 mph to 20 mph We want the Government to increase permissible maximum assisted speed for e-bikes to 20 mph. The current limit of 15.5 mph (25 kmph) is restrictive compared to those set in some other countries, including the USA, Canada, New Zealand and Brazil.

[@Spaxify]

Could you tell me how high from floor to saddle is please at highest point? Thanks I'm 6ft 2

[@alanprice7584]

As a regular ebiker i have no problem with the speed limit as it is right now, what gets my goat is the cost of batteries and the difficulties involved in upgrading your existing battery. I get plenty of power from my motor it even allows me to tow a sometimes heavy trailer so no complaints there, what i most desire is extra range but the cost of a new battery is prohibitive. 7:45

[@TheSimpleLivingAussie]

We have these dumb laws in Australia as well. Also if we ride on foot paths we are not allowed to go faster than 10 kph so it is safer for pedestrians on the footpath.

[@jamesbomd3503]

can ask you how do I obtain the 6 kilometre twist throttle it's so important for my cargo business

[@anthonygray5581]

Id say most of the problem is the crank sensor been under responsive

[@e-VRC]

If this was better we might not need a throttle so much.

[@hozzer68]

You should try a class 3 mobility scooter on the road, restricted to 8mph everywhere else in the EU and most of the world is 15mph, a road legal scooter with lights indicators and restricted to 8mph is downright dangerous

[@Connortron79]

I think 19-20 mph would be just about enough my issue is that my bike doesn’t have gearing for me to go faster than that. It’s almost as if it is designed around that 15.5mph speed limit.

[@Kenneth_McGrew]

20mph should be the limit, 15.5 is a bit silly, and its probably the average speed of an 80yo cyclist whos never been on a bike before, most cyclists average well over 20mph on the flat on non e-bikes. that said my average ride speed is 22 mph on my heavier E-bike, but i do live in an exceptionally hilly area hence having an e-bike, up steep hills its 14mph with full assistance, a higher speed limit wont change my top speed at all because 250watt, (although we know its not 250w) isnt enough to go faster. but 20 mph limit, unrestricted motor size... if it got more people out of their cars and cycling isnt that the whole point??

[@Javier79ism]

Same laws for ebikes in EU. Ridiculous laws they literally want to control everything you do. The media is allover fatbikes like it's a pandemic.

[@toydigger]

I think he is British?

[@MrRafaztar]

I think for higher speed you would need some sort of cbt

[@roberthuntley1090]

A throttle is actually legal up to 15.5 mph, if it only works when your turning the pedals. On mine, you don't have to apply any force to them as just windmilling them around is good enough. Re cable operated disk brakes, the limiting factor is normally the grip between the tyre and the road. I can't see the minor increase in speed needing upgraded brakes. Re speed limit I would prefer 20 mph, which would make it easier to keep up with non-assisted bikes (at the moment I tend to go faster uphill, slower on the level bits).

[@nul1fe]

25mph out of towns and so on, 15.5 is fine in those areas (crowded, congested) and i agree some sort of test just to make sure were safer for a bit more powerful bike, i wouldnty mind paying 50 bucks to be able to ride a 750wat bike legally

[@lufknuht5960]

There is something to be said with being able to flow with the traffic. When you are slower than the traffic, relatively speaking, you & the traffic behind you are moving towards each other.

[@peterwilloughby132]

I think the limit should be increased to the speed that a physically fit rider of a non-electric bike would typically manage on a flat surface. So around 25-30 mph.

[@mrquestion11]

if u mix disk breaks and rim breaks together the stopping distance is faster

[@hughjardon3538]

I agree with all your opinions on these matters. It'sbasically what I would have said; however, there are a couple of general misconceptions I'd like to comment on: Firstly, throttles are allowed and are not restricted to 6 km/hr. The rule is that the power must stop when you stop pedalling unless you're speed is less than 6km/hr. In other words, the throttle can be used as a speed or power regulator, which is much easier than pushing buttons on an LCD. The government says "twist and go" is not allowed, meaning power without pedalling is not allowed. Some controllers (KT brand) have settings, where the throttle will give independent power up to 6km/hr, then continue as a speed regulator up to 25km/hr as long as you turn the pedals. Secondly, there is no 250w power limit. The law says that you cannot use a motor "rated" at more than 250w. When an engineer does a rating, they might typically use a safety factor of 3 or 4 times, but there is no rule or regulation about how they do their rating, especially when they have to consider every type of niche use and abuse of their motor. In other words, a motor that can produce a maximum output power of say 2kw, could be and has been rated at 250w by the manufacturer and is perfectly legal to use in a UK ebike without licence and registration.

[@geez-hd6dn]

Most urban roads are now 20mph so what’s the problem.

[@11Daniel2k]

The power law your mistaken on, it's not limited to 250w at all it's limited to 250w nominal, most store bought e bikes produce well over 600-700w if they didn't you wouldn't be able to get up most hills.

[@Spaxify]

Dude, is it legal to have a throttle in the UK?

[@e-VRC]

@@Spaxify only if they don't work over 6kph

[@e-VRC]

Or if you've paid loads of money to have them registered and approved. Look up 'electroheads legal throttle ebike' they got a video on the brand that does it for you. It's expensive though.

[@Spaxify]

@@e-VRC but they're all 15.5mpg

[@e-VRC]

@@Spaxify a throttle that takes you to 15.5 is illegal unless you do what I said above. Unfortunately very few brands have a throttle that cuts out at 6mph. a lot of them come locked so they don't do anything and when unlocked they take you to the max speed of the bike.

[@Spaxify]

@e-VRC what if I didn't use it no more than 3.6mph and had it set at cruise on that? Would that still be illegal?

[@gbarhip]

18mph that is the average speed I used to travel on a normal bike back in the day, so 18mph on ebike, after passing a test similar to scooter then upp allowable speed to 30mph. Also include age limit to faster speeds. The watt law is nonsense as most of us oldies use ebikes because of hills and higher watts is needed for hills. I like the ebike I have as it has several settings and I have found I use the higher settings for hills not for speed. nice vid cheers

[@richardmichael1124]

If they revise the e-bike laws then perhaps 350watt with a 20mph limit, thumb throttle assist to 5mph.

[@geofwassell]

I think that in UK we introduce law upon law which do nothing except confuse. A bicycle which will not self propel above 15 mph is a bicycle and a bicycle with will self propel above 15 -35mph is a moped or above 35mph is a motorcycle and therefore users and manufacturers need to comply with a whole different set of rules. These are the existing laws, they are simple, they are clear and everyone can understand them. As the existing laws stand, there is nothing to stop anyone from having a pedal assisted machine which does 40MPH; it just has to comply with motorcycle regulations as does the user. What most electric cyclists actually want is something which will do the same as a moped except they dont need to be trained, licensed, head protected and insured for and which doesnt need a ministry of transport certificate and road tax every 12 months oh and they want to have the option of using their own private roads which they share with pedestrians and wheelchairs. Let's keep it simple: if you dont want to pedal but do want to travel above 15mph you get trained,examined, licensed, insured, road taxed and wear compulsory protection; just as you do now with the current laws.

[@johnf3326]

I'd say 20. However what about the assistance being slowly being reduced from full at 15mph to zero at 20mph. I have hit 44mph on my Trek Rail 5 on a straight downhill tarmac country road. Pretty hairy scary even though safe in the circumstances

[@livinglavvu]

It's because of these trash laws on ebikes, that I'm completely bi passing them & getting a electric motor bike instead 🤷 15.5mph 250watt no way.

[@stefanmaslaczyk1259]

I am an experienced cyclist and motorcyclist but now have a disability that makes it hard to pedal any distance. An electric bike or scooter would be brilliant for me and probably many other disabled people. It would be essential to have a throttle though for people with limited mobility.

[@MrJimbok1]

Should faster vehicles including ebikes have more and better safety features at the speed increases. In the US more ebikes are coming with rear brake-lights and and turn-signals , At higher speeds should front turn signals and mirrors be required, say 28 to 32mph. Go faster and you have to met stricter requirements. In most states in the US you come under that states motor vehicle laws at speeds over 28 MPH.

[@Thootjethemusicmen]

I bought a 750 watt mtb i am a dutchie and the state wont alow above 250 watt anymore zzzzz

[@ncbiz]

my ebike go up to 32-35mph but in Florida usa so laws are different in the states there are ebikes that go over 50mph

[@beanysteve5832]

I've maxed my ebike out at 48mph so far - thanks to gravity (naughty gravity). The 2-pot disk brakes work fine, but yeah, I'd prefer 4-pot if I were riding that fast and having to brake hard more often. I do weigh 100 kilos. Up lesser gradients I might sustain 15mph, and on steeper hills with the motor turned up I hover around the 10mph mark. On the flat, without a headwind, I tend to cruise at just over 20mph, I often get passed by racers on non-assisted bikes. Now, I could turn my assist up to max and go faster, but I choose not to, just like cars can be driven at far above the speed limit if their drivers choose to. When I'm on a shared track with pedestrians I adjust my speed down to compensate, and I work on a hard rule that pedestrians have priority. I'm not in a race, and I can adjust my speed to suit conditions according to my onboard computer - my brain. I despise the ebike laws. They have been designed by lazy-minded people to cover the extremes of possibility, and those of us who are sensible are just collateral damage caught-up in the mindless moral panic of zealots, and the ignorance of the riders who wouldn't care about others whatever they are riding. As to accommodating arrogant car drivers who demand they must do at least the speed limit all of the time - they're the ones with a problem that needs to be corrected. The ebike laws are an ass. Restrict motors to 250W okay, but don't single out ebikes for special laws that restrict them to performing below that easily achieved by analogue bikes! Speed is speed, whether it comes from leg-power alone, or a combination of leg-power and a little electric motor.

[@stanley3647]

I spend 2 years with moped limited to 28MPH (45kph) and every driver wanna overtake me like no tommorow. Now with 125cc bike i riding 33-35 MPH because if I stick to limit - 30 - still some drivers tailgating and overtaking. Till next traffic light when I go ahead ;) Mentality of drivers are need to be change. Should be USA-style law - Class 1, 2 and 3 ebikes with minor changes: 1 for everyone (like now) 2 for 18+ or 21+ 3 for any driving licence holder

[@ashwayn]

It would be better if you had your saddle at correct height

[@shadowfayfurry1323]

I just got ebike and had restricted it myself I do feel you should be able go abit faster but no overly fast like say 20mph

[@e-VRC]

@@shadowfayfurry1323 yeah 20 is good

[@dax6376]

Dont really understand why anyone would ride on the pavement putting pedestrians in danger.

[@iainmillington904]

Because in a lot of situations cars don’t give you the same consideration as you think pedestrians should get. I ride on the road at 4am going to work but coming back I have been knocked off twice by inconsiderate motorists so I use the footpath.

[@penguinpebbler]

I like my 250W bike which is unrestricted, so doesn't cut off at 15.5mph. If it did I would be doing 95% of the journey with no assistance, because I'm not going to want to cruise at only 15.5mph on any bike. The assistance at higher speeds is far less noticable than at lower speeds anyway, and is really just taking the edge off it, and making me want to get out and cycle more