A New Favorite, Disappointments, An Old Favorite, & A Book Hangover

[@ebnovels]

Time stamps, relevant videos, and purchase links to books mentioned: 0:15 Liveship: amzn.to/3JchkNv -Vlog for Ship of Magic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaHSmYOsoZ2Sps0 -Liveshow for Ship of Magic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJPGaoetgaiSn5o -Wrap up for Mad Ship: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oF7bo2arhJpnlac -Liveshow for Mad Ship: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWepkH6FatSKa7M -Liveshow for Ship of Destiny: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6GpY5lshaibaZo 7:05 The Ex Hex: amzn.to/3Tybo5X 8:44 Fullmetal: amzn.to/3D8e6bn -Fullmetal discussion part one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmGbaYluYs98f5o -Fullmetal discussion part two: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4Spi5SAgsilo5Y -Fullmetal discussion part three: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWSuZoyumtSFsLs 12: 18 Bands of Mourning: amzn.to/3DtZ9Sj Secret History: amzn.to/3eZobzk -Sanderson playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PL-WCMA9LkyewXJ6w64z19u5sBkocaiTAQ -Liveshow for Alloy of Law: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYaYl4aVibqgf9k -Liveshow for Shadows of Self: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5aZlXeZrLKghpo -Liveshow for Bands of Mourning and Secret History: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWjNaXuHf75rna8 17:08 A Wizard's Guid to Defensive Baking: amzn.to/3eZNCR8 Three most recent New Releases Wrap Ups: 1. kzbin.info/www/bejne/emnGiGmOlpiUa7M 2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpPLqYSZe5KXhZo 3. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJ69pXiDqdmmg6s

[@johnsaxongitno4life588]

I agree with you on your opinion about the Robin Hobb book please stay safe and enjoy your reading 📖 prayers and thoughts for you and your amazing family love your family friend John ❤❤❤❤

[@melanievanderwesthuizen5802]

Elliot, thank you so much for the content warning. I watched Barbarian this weekend and I went into the movie following everyone's advice on 'the less you know the better'. And boy...was I wholly unprepared for the subject matter. I honestly wish someone would've given me a heads up. Please continue to do so.I for one really appreciate content warnings.

[@ebnovels]

You’re welcome 💗 I know some people do like going in with as little information as possible, which is why I gave the option to skip ahead, but for those like yourself, I think it’s important to give that knowledge ahead of time.

[@Theblondebass1]

I agree, I really love it when I get content warning for anything type of media because some content I just don't want to consume despite how cool it might be.

[@kaitlinschneider845]

I have heard so many people talk about Hobb's books and I have NEVER heard anyone talk about what you did. I absolutely never want to read this book/series now, and I would have been devastated if I had read it with no warning. Thank you so much for telling us about this!!!

[@MsVivi6]

I'm really glad you spoke candidly about Ship of Destiny. I felt pretty astounded that of all the many, many videos I'd watched about how great people thought the Liveship Traders was, only one other person mentioned that horrendous ending. I've never felt so disturbed, betrayed, and angry about a book before. I have Fool's Errand on my shelf to read, but I feel so put off it may take me a while to get round to it.

[@ebnovels]

I hope you enjoy Fool’s Errand! I was bummed with the ending Ship of Destiny, not because of what was explored, but with how it was explored. I think SPOILERS: the little details were bothersome to me, like giving the ship his eyes, when that’s the ship she’s going to be on for most of the rest of her life. It felt like pouring salt on the wound (and that’s just one detail; there were a lot of other things that all piled up that I didn’t care for)

[@KristinKravesBooks]

The Wizard's Guide to Defensive Baking is my favourite T. Kingfisher that I have read so far, so I'm thrilled you enjoyed it. You're making me want to reread it! I also need to buy a physical copy to annotate.

[@ebnovels]

It was so fun and silly 😄 I need to read even more of her works :D

[@arlissbunny]

Oh! I just finished Wizard’s Guide to Defensive Baking today. It’s exactly as you describe, a truly charming actual YA book that is never a disappointment for adults. It’s so clever and operates on more than one level seamlessly. I loved Nettle & Bone too but, I swear, this is the one that will stick longer.

[@surpriseitsus9622]

I want to personally thank you for the heads up about the content warning. Especially that warning specifically. Bless you, Lynn in Surprise, AZ

[@meganscribe3960]

I started reading full mettle because of one of your reviews. I’m about 9 volumes in and absolutely love it.

[@ebnovels]

Yay!!! That makes me so happy 😄

[@soniciris]

If you like Defensive Baking I definitely recommend going through her Harriet Hamster Princess books 😂 they are definitely written for young kids and they're silly and cute but as a grown adult I find them so fun as well 😁

[@ebnovels]

That sounds adorable ☺️

[@madelinemitchell4888]

I think the worst book hangover I've ever had was after finishing Stormlight Archive 😭 I'm sure you can relate, the world was just so immersive and detailed, I got so sucked in that I was depressed it was over and I had to go back to the real world 😂

[@jdodd1210]

I love that franchise. But a book that left me feeling that way even more was Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Obviously not the same but check it out for a hangover recovery !

[@ebnovels]

Definitely relate about SA :) As for Hyperion, I didn’t love the book as a whole, but the story with the daughter and how she’s aging-that one is so sad!

[@jdodd1210]

@@ebnovels yeah that one was tough I just really liked the whole take on every character having a journey unique to them. But thats why we are here to talk books and discuss what we love about them. It's pretty great

[@iamerratic]

It would be great if you made a T. Kingfisher video summarizing your thoughts on all the 4 books you’ve read by her!

[@noelanikaanana]

Just read A Wizard's Guide last week, super cute. I am enjoying reading through T. Kingfisher's books, such a talented author.

[@ebnovels]

She really is! And she does so many different kinds of stories-it’s quite impressive :D

[@nataliesam3385]

I just finished watching Fullmetal Alchemist for the first time, because I’ve heard you liked it so much throughout the years and this time I thought okay lets see what’s this all about. Binged it and now I’m happy/sad all at the same time. My heart is so sad that my journey has now ended, but am so happy i gave it a go. So many feelings, but i’m so thankful to you for promoting this series. My journey is now ongoing to the manga~

[@maceanglin]

Thank you for saying those things about the Ships books. I have childhood trauma from things similar to what you spoke about being in the book. I don’t think I could have handled that well, I’ve returned the book. Thank you again, you are my favorite KZbinr.

[@laurenschenck5355]

SO EXCITED!!!! 👻🎃🎃🎃🎃🍃🍃🍂🍂🍂🍂🍂🍃🍃🍂🍁🍁🍂🍂🖤🖤🖤😀👻👻🎃🎃👻👻🍃🍃🍂🍂🍂🍂🍃🍂🖤🖤🖤📖📖📚📚📙📙📙📙📙📖📖📖📖📖📚📙📙📙📙📚📖📖🔖🔖📖📖📚📚📙📙📚📚📖📖📖📖📚📚📚📖

[@kartik3719]

Thank you so much for the trigger warning it'll help a lot ❤❤

[@ebnovels]

You’re welcome 💗

[@fileanavailable]

Oh gosh, didn’t realize that book got that dark. I get really sad when I finish books too, I feel like something is ending and it makes me super melancholic! Felt that way when I finished A Song of Ice and Fire and it’s not even done yet so I’m like😭

[@sammyylamb]

Holy shit I had no idea robin hobb got THAT DARK. I was definitely going to read ship of magic but that trigger warning was very very helpful. I don’t think I could handle that.

[@saramm3765]

Same! Glad to have the warning. I'll skip it.

[@ebnovels]

I was surprised, tbh 😅

[@Books_BrewsandBeyond]

It is good to know the context of topics in Assassins Quest- I will still give it a go although assault scenes aren't what I like to read in a book. I am now intrigued by A wizards guide to defensive baking and I may get it on my kindle- even though I'm way past that age demographic as well.

[@ReadingNymph]

Book hangovers are a struggle 😫

[@RodgersReads]

Thanks for being the voice that at least gives people a heads up about the content in Liveship! You should really try the other adaptation of Fullmetal, I wonder what you will think about it because it does deviate from the manga plot line.

[@booknerdwithlipstick]

I really understood the book hangover you described. Been there, done that

[@marycooney2194]

Thanks for the content warning for Robin Hobb's book. I couldn't read it, huge trigger. My last book hangover was after I read "The Lost Queen" by Signe Pike. I loved it, King Author period but told from his sister's POV and very well researched. I still think about the characters.

[@Jane42.]

100% agree about Defensive Baking. Love it so much-cozy and perfect fun. Glad you like it. Try out The Seventh Bride for another fairytale like feel. Not as dark as Nettle and Bone.

[@ebnovels]

I just read that one recently :)

[@bri9317]

Thank you for saying something about the Liveship Traders. I am still on the Farseer trilogy, so I haven’t got to the Liveship Traders yet. Not sure if I will continue now that I know what is in those books. Also I love Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, I watched the anime. I still want to read the manga though.

[@mischarowe]

When you were talking about a hangover from reading Fullmetal Alchemist it brought to mind how I felt recently after finishing the First Law Trilogy. I felt emotionally exhausted. To the point that I've decided to take a break from Abercrombie's work. It just is so intense and the emotions kicked me so hard. I still don't know if that was a positive or negative thing lol. Also, I have found another reason to avoid Robin Hobb's books, sadly. But as always I really enjoyed your video. ❤

[@ebnovels]

I need to get back into Abercrombie myself. His books of course have humor, but their bleakness can definitely be taxing 😅

[@Marlay9183]

I call it the "Book blues" when I feel really sad after finishing a really good book 😁 I know exactly what you meant 😅

[@ebnovels]

The book blues is the perfect name for it!

[@suzannemoore404]

Ok, you've convinced me! I'm going to try Full Metal Alchemist😁

[@MariaMightReadThat]

Finally someone else who enjoyed Liveships but not the direction of the third book! I share a lot of your overall feelings. I still think the trilogy is masterful in a lot of ways but I really struggled with the tone the finale took and how absolutely awful things were done to the characters for what felt like the sole purpose of making it "more realistic." If we're going to go there, then I want the character affected to have more processing time after. I felt like that was kind of glossed over in the aftermath and I'd personally rather see more of their recovery journey and fortitude than the pov musings of the one who did it. A book that I felt did it better (at least to my tastes) is Daughter of the Forest by Juliet Marillier.

[@laurenschenck5355]

Happy Halloween Elliot hope you have a fun day celebrating this holiday xoxo 😘 🎃🎃🎃📚🍁🖤🖤🍁🍁📚📚📚🎃🍂🍃🍃🍃🍃🍃🍃📙📙🖤🍁📚🎃🍂🍂🍃📖👻👻📖🍃🍃🍂📖👻👻📙🖤🍁📚📚🍁🖤🍁📚📚🍂🍂🍃📖👻👻🖤📙📙

[@kierac9072]

I had similar feelings about Ship of Magic. I knew the assault scene was coming in the book, so I was more prepared and honestly skipped a lot of that part - but it was still super hard to enjoy the book after that.

[@ebnovels]

That scene, and what happens after, is definitely very disturbing

[@DaniTheReader]

The only book I remember having a book specific hangover for (hangovers normally come from reading a lot of books in a short span of time) was Pet Semetary by SK. I have never experienced emotion the way I did with that story, and it wasn’t your standard “oh I’m sad” or “oh I’m angry.” It was like soul deep. I’m honestly afraid to try anymore SK for this reason.

[@MKReads]

Thank you for sharing the content warning. I read a book recently that had some darker content and I had to DNF because it was just too much in my opinion.

[@riclynsherman2117]

Thank you so much for the heads up on the Robin Hobb book. I’m usually not triggered by much, but a certain thing you mentioned is a hard pass for me.

[@ebnovels]

It’s an extremely heavy topic, and I know how hard it can be for people to read that sort of content in books

[@laurenschenck5355]

Good morning Elliot Hope have a great week xoxo 😘 🍂📙📚📚📖📖📙🍂🍂📙🍃🖤🖤🖤🍃👻🍃📖📖📙🍂🍂🎃🎃🍂📚🖤🖤🍁🍁🍁🍁🖤🖤🍃👻👻📙📙📚📚📖📖📖📖📙🍂🍂🎃🎃🍂📙📚🖤🖤👻🖤🍁🍁🍁🍁🖤🍃🍃📙🍂🎃🎃🎃

[@jennvabelle]

I cannot tell you how affirming it was to hear your review of the Liveship Traders series. I have felt so at odds hearing all the positive reviews when the negatives outweighed the positives, for me, by so much. I have to say it was the most confusing description I've ever given someone when I said Hobb did such a fantastic job of developing characters and I was so intrigued by the world, and yet said I would not recommend.

[@SarahAtHeart]

Thank you for the content warnings about The Liveship Trader series. I've been wanting to check out Robin Hobb, but hadn't heard anything about that content. I think I'll probably start with a different series by her.

[@jkkirkland]

I generally have a hard time getting through Robin Hobb's books. I enjoy the stories, I enjoy the world, and I enjoy many of the characters, but Hobb is a master at having her characters gaslight the living hell out of each other, and it gives me massive anxiety to read sometimes haha. Fitz and Althea are often maligned by other characters for not being okay with being treated like crap. I usually end up feeling fairly frustrated by the end of her series.

[@tonkabeanicecream5698]

I finished the first farseer trilogy but all the way through the trilogy was hoping it would get better, I decided to try the liveship trilogy but I couldn't get into the audiobook. I then went into the second farseer trilogy and just ended up quitting half way through the first book because I just didn't see it getting good enough to make up for all my invested time.

[@AdrianasWonderland]

uuu many of these look so c00l!!😆

[@artbyandia]

About Liveship Traders: I really didn't like some of the things in that trilogy but I love some other aspects of it. I also had problems with the conclusion and the fates of some characters. Still, I prefer Tawny Man and Farseer because to me it still feels the less dark of the books (not counting rain wild chronicles). I still love the series overall but I certainly have a lot of complains. I read Defensive Baking and Nettle and Bone and enjoyed both, but my preference seems to be Kingfisher's fairy tale retellings like The Seventh Bride and The Raven and the Reindeer. Will you try those in the future?

[@ebnovels]

I read The Seventh Bride since recording this, and I’m hoping to read The Raven and the Reindeer soon!

[@artbyandia]

@@ebnovels oh nice. Looking forward for the review then 😄

[@JayGTheAwkwardBookworm]

I just bought a copy of the ex hex 🤪 I need to finally pick it up!

[@ebnovels]

I hope you like it! It was fun, just not my favorite romance/fantasy romance I’ve picked up, so I hope you like it more than me 😄

[@megravitt33]

Do you know what chapter that stuff happens in? I was looking forward to reading ship of destiny but now I'm nervous...

[@koster22]

love the channel, cheers and hugs from Poland

[@TheBookishMom]

I am so ready to get my copy of Lost Metal. I am sure as soon as I get it I will drop everything and read it lol. I actually Liked Mistborn a Secret history, but it was a little surprising I guess is the best word lol

[@ebnovels]

I’m with you-I’m very ready for The Lost Metal. I keep thinking it’s out and should be arriving any day now 😅

[@TheBookishMom]

@@ebnovels right!!! I will be stalking the shipping page and tracking 🤣

[@Jibkopatha]

it's the sadness that comes after one finishes watching The Wire

[@ebnovels]

I’ve only seen the first season 😮

[@Jibkopatha]

@@ebnovels it's the least appealing one. It gets really deep and climaxes at season 4

[@HX1122]

I had many similar gripes with the Liveship Trilogy. Especially Kennit’s character and the way that whole situation was handled. I will say that Farseer ends perfectly, and that both Tawny man and Fitz & the fool deliver more satisfying conclusions to their stories. It’s entirely possible to read the series while excluding both liveship and rain wild. I think liveship is at least recommended reading to get some lore but rainwild is entirely unessential.

[@kathyking2515]

Terrible content- crazy but true: my Dad was very abusive. He beat Mom a lot and said on several occasions that he'd like to bust my cherry. I was a baby people!! Truly sick !!!!

[@ebnovels]

You should not have had to hear and see such terrible things

[@ninnusridhar]

I'm reading liveship right now, and i really feel like she takes everything a little bit too far. I'm really considering dnf'ing liveship entirely, coz I'd much prefer to be reading anything else at this point It's like Malazan for me. I can appreciate the quality of the work. But i just can't enjoy reading it.

[@BigZozo]

Hello

[@KongFuzii]

Did you read Arakawa's other series?

[@ebnovels]

Not yet!

[@KongFuzii]

@@ebnovels Fake fan!

[@MaryJoHeadrick]

I read mistborn secret history recently and i didn't like it at all

[@EricMcLuen]

So I read Liveship first. I eventually enjoyed them once it finally started moving. I found the end of all of the eventual character arcs fairly disturbing, one incredibly so but cant talk without spoilers. But in summary, great character work but some major story/plot issues. I have since read Assassin's Apprentice which was a complete meh. Fitz was just not interesting, the side characters bland and Hobb musr like writing whiny kids. Everything I liked about Liveship - gone In both, she brings up a lot of very dark things that are completely glossed over which is really too bad.

[@derrisreaditbefore]

Hi Elliot, most of my channel is Hobb content, and I would honestly love to discuss your thoughts about the things you've read. Not least because I'm trying not to be an echo chamber of hype, but actually acknowledge and discuss some aspects of the series that AREN'T going to work for everyone. I'll contact you through your channel email, and hope you will consider it.

[@cupcakenormajean9974]

Thank god someone is saying this about Ship of Destiny. It ruined the series for me retrospectively. I agree authors must be free to put some pretty awful things on page but I just didn’t see this one as justified or necessary, and agree everything after it was just one wrong turn after another, to the point where this one plot point ruins every other character you’ve grown attached to for 2 1/2 very long books in addition to the two directly involved.

[@ebnovels]

I think I was most disappointed in the fact that it then felt like the one character’s entire point in the series was to become the victim to the other character, and then we SPOILERS magically take away the pain of the “encounter” so that we have a nice happily ever after in the epilogue. That, along with many other things, didn’t sit well with me personally. I appreciated the intent (in particular, the way people rarely believe victims, the cycles of violence, etc) but the execution was not handled, imo, very well. Obviously other people do connect with it or think it’s handled well. It’s all subjective of course, and at the very least, I respect what I believe Hobb was trying to do.

[@mastik8475]

I thought I was the only one who disliked Secret History. It read a little bit like fanfiction

[@ebnovels]

I agree 😅

[@thomasc9036]

Not sure if you are aware, but sexual recidivism is disturbingly high, especially involving children. In America, we release these monsters into the general public and within few years, they commit again. What Hobb wrote is not something exaggerated. We tend to show more mercy to these monsters than to the general public.

[@ebnovels]

Not sure if I’m aware? Why do you think I felt it was important to give people that information? It’s BECAUSE sexual assault and rape are so prevalent, and it’s either something that has happened to someone, or is something they live in fear of, and perhaps don’t want to read about or relive.