Echard v. Owens trial

[@45Patriot]

I’m a Retired RN and her story about what a Medical Doctor told her to do after a possible miscarriage, is baloney ! A woman can develop a life threatening infection, if part of the placenta is left , therefore a physical exam would be next. Every doctor, ob/gyn or not, would advise a person to go to the nearest ER to get checked.

[@dianehardison2133]

Thank you for that information. It further shows the depths of her lies.

[@darleneww3670]

So true. Basic precautions any Dr, nurse, or emt will advise/encourage. I doubt this woman has ever been pregnant in her life.

[@Boathelove]

No triage is going to tell you just monitor yourself. Bleeding, tissue whatever, you go to an ER

[@darleneww3670]

@@Boathelove True. It's a big difference - seeing the tissue. I understand your point.

[@sandilou2U]

Exactly. Especially for a woman who was supposed to have been carrying twins! If the pregnancy was real, I cannot imagine her not wanting to have an examination in order to hopefully learn what happened and prevent it from occurring again. She genuinely thought she was going to be able to bluff her way to big money 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@haileywiggins2051]

Her 500 emails and 13 different phones is giving baby reindeer level of abuse

[@gvalentine3441]

It is frightening how committed she is to her lies!

[@marythecoolcat]

She has escalated and refined her con since MM14. It is truly scary.

[@Gringa_L]

sociopathy

[@haileywiggins2051]

So committed to the lies like to the point that she’s literally a danger to society!!

[@klaraking4842]

Committed is THE word! That’s exactly what she needs .. COMMITTED

[@monkeyisgreat]

​@@haileywiggins2051 at the VERY least she's a danger to the well-being and lives of any man unfortunate enough to let her near them.

[@markdagostino9325]

This woman has NEVER provided a straight answer. NEVER!

[@csh43166]

Exactly!!

[@refuciusref3283]

The Dr just said you can get pregnant from external contact with seamen. Wipe those toilet seats ladies 😅😅😅

[@mithicash1444]

For anyoen wondering why she pushed SO hard for a parenting plan, its because the moment he signs such a plan he acknowledges that there was a child and he is exposed to litigation even if she fakes a pregnancy. You can see just how easy it is to do it and how hard he has to fight to prove there was not!

[@elliemay1229]

But she promised to have an abortion if he would just date her.

[@elliemay1229]

She needs to learn how to make men chase her instead of her chasing them. Step one, keep your clothes on and don’t go to “hang out” at each other’s houses.

[@refuciusref3283]

Thanks for insight. I'm gobsmacked that's all it takes... not a birth certificate or proof.

[@jwolf5604]

The number of times she named those doctors before. And come to find out she never once saw either one 😅 All that talk about high risk, specialized doctor. They really need to charge her with this nonsense.

[@trentbratt1911]

" and where did you complete?" " in her mouth both times " Fucking killed me 😂😂

[@JordanEmede_376]

The tight pssy talk was hilarious too as she literally admits he's never felt how tight it was (or was not) 😂

[@trentbratt1911]

@JordanEmede_376 this lady's was looking for a payday, but the check bounced 🤣

[@BellshanProductions]

Her biggest claim to fame was Clayton jizzin in her mouth lol good job Laura Michelle Owens 👏🏼

[@continuallycountingchicken7338]

You can tell she’s SUPER excited when she says yes and isn’t lying. Oooo! Ooo! I know the answer to this one! YES!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@rubiirae]

LO felt intimidated by Clayton so she edited the medical records to hide the clinic's name and location, yet at the same time, demanding a parenting plan and dating contract from Clayton 🤡

[@LadyK_TX]

Hypocrite!!!!

[@BellshanProductions]

Shes batshit crazy

[@Cyndie_is]

I love that Judge Mata’s dad was in the overflow room and when asked about watching his daughter he said no he was there to watch this circus 😂

[@GuntherVonSprout]

Can’t imagine where he heard it would be a circus and he should attend 😂

[@BoricuaGirl69]

Just crazy 😂

[@Y2K__2004]

😂😂😂

[@jwolf5604]

Epic

[@BellshanProductions]

Rofl legendary

[@iamraven728]

So happy you streamed this. I have been following Dave Neal through the entire thing. Can’t wait for this verdict!

[@Axelsmom]

Just got off of Dave Neils live! It was great. He talked to Mike and he got emotional stating that he would have never come forward if it wasn’t for all of the support that he has received. Dave also talked to Clayton.

[@Tpayne272]

She needs to be in a psych ward along with Amber Heard 🙄Both disgusting excuses for human beings. Anyone who tries to "get attention" at the expense of someone's reputation & sanity deserves to be jailed and much worse. I'm so glad Clayton is okay. I'm sure he still has a bit of a road ahead of him, but he's used this terrible situation to help other men. He's a super great guy, and I wish him the very best.

[@beulahboi]

Her vocal fry is the stuff of nightmares. My god.

[@beulahboi]

@prometheusrex1 I'd drown myself

[@andreafromiowa5516]

As someone that works in healthcare, listening to the grandpa doctor rattle on about this “pregnancy” hurt my soul. Good thing he is retired.

[@VetteValC1]

At one point her attorney alluded that she didn't get prenatal care because she didn't plan on keeping the babies. If that were the truth she wouldn't haven't filed a parenting plan. He can't make all of these pieces fit cohesively.

[@Dayna-Punky]

Thank you for doing this Mike. I'm sad the media won't get involved but you talking about it definitely helps get it out there! Men need to be aware about her!

[@carriepriegel6477]

Her poker tell: her awful vocal fry deepens 😵‍💫 main reason LO hasn’t fired DG, they’re pathological soulmates 🫣

[@dianehardison2133]

I agree totally

[@JordanEmede_376]

She has what I call the "opiate fry" 😂 heavy opiate use will cause that exact thing.

[@jessicareynolds8011]

People with "vocal fry" just scream insecure

[@Dupayuhas]

GUYS ! She was just pledging the pregnancy- why doesn’t anyone believe her. It’s completely different than being pregnant.

[@BoricuaGirl69]

A la Amber Heard 😂

[@christking85]

was this amber heard joke?

[@Dupayuhas]

@@christking85 yaaasss 👍🏼

[@TR-507]

Love this! 😂

[@My3jtr]

LoL love the AH reference! 😂

[@kwwick]

That attorney literally broke her

[@LethalLauren904]

I get to watch this back here haha

[@LawTalkWithMike]

Ty for the stream great job👍

[@Unhyphenated]

She wanted "Privacy" but has no problem taking this guys privacy and destroying him?

[@julieo4580]

She went to the media

[@MrGrumblier]

Exactly- she was the one to take this to the media in the first place. She is nuts. She also claimed the ultrasound video was legit in earlier hearings.

[@bpoole316]

of course she was having twins, two bjs.

[@Dupayuhas]

Everyone knows that tonsils can only produce twins…

[@LawTalkWithMike]

😂😂😂

[@ajad420]

Lmao

[@sabrinanicole758]

This so called doctor, I can't. Interesting that her attorney argues she didn't seek prenatal care because she was planning on getting an abortion, but why on earth did she then file for a parenting plan at all?!

[@ensues]

On the surface, it doesn't make sense. She didn't care about the "babies." She wanted to force Clayton to communicate with her, which she wanted to lead to a romantic relationship. If she couldn't have a romantic relationship, she could force a connection, and punishment, through litigation.

[@darleneww3670]

I can't believe what I'm hearing or how she retained an attorney. She's lying through her teeth. I don't think she's ever been pregnant in her life because her lack of relative knowledge is off; and what she thinks the experience of pregnancy is. Clueless. There's no way in hell she’d *not* be aware of a miscarriage, either. Her excuse, …” I don't get periods,’ is nonsense because if she was losing a twin pregnancy there would be blood and the experience would be medically remarkable to HER - undeniable.

[@julieo4580]

4 men over a decade. She belongs in prison.

[@jennymachin5532]

I had a miscarriage at 8 weeks The amount of blood I lost was absolutely insane..but was told at hospital this was very normal even for a very early miscarriage

[@davemcinnes8570]

"I have to answer your questions? That's not fair!"

[@girlfriend126]

as someone going through a miscarriage atm, none of what she said made any sense LMAO. Bloodwork, ultrasound, repeat bloodwork every week to make sure hcg levels are going down. Symptoms of a mc are bleeding and passing tissue... you can't pass tissue w/o blood... = symptoms. She's SO full of shit I'm actually steaming rn- and I've seen this three times now!

[@45Patriot]

Hugs girlfriend. I’m so sorry for your loss

[@Kthb80]

I’m sorry for your loss! Miscarriages hurt like hell, she would’ve known especially with twins

[@blamspot1080]

So sorry for your actual, real life loss. Hugs

[@wishennataylor3281]

Why is she such a liar?! As a woman who has been pregnant twice, I know she is lying. The fact she has this hard of a time confirming the pregnancy is crazy. It's really easy to confirm, case closed

[@kayfurlano1462]

Her pregnancy is very real to her, I would assume that since she has taken it this far is because she could be sued for defamation and slander. Assuming also she has a mental illness.

[@davident1]

I think the defense doctor had a balloon payment on his yacht coming up. LOL

[@Y2K__2004]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@davident1]

@@Y2K__2004 🤣

[@ajad420]

I keep saying that she found him on craigslist

[@davident1]

@@ajad420 ROFLMAO Or he should have swiped the other way. LOL

[@tinamercer3473]

Great commentary and coverage! I’ve been following this case since you aired the trial last year. Only fitting to watch it here with you. What a wild ride it’s been! I’m looking forward to Judge Matas ruling!

[@thelmadickinson6811]

She is a mental case. She has Jodi Arias and Amber Heard vibes.

[@reneevasquez8239]

Even if she loses this case the men should take her take her back to court. It just doesn’t seem like they covered all of her shenanigans.

[@julieo4580]

It would take weeks to cover

[@thedavenealshow8849]

boy how far we've come!

[@Talk-to-the-Pugs]

She is so deep into her psychosis that she believes everything she is saying.

[@angeplsn]

Did you guys notice that LO attorney was giving her “signals”.

[@eloser]

At around 41 minutes the lawyer is given a note telling her that LO is getting instructions and to move right

[@diannmurphy2010]

4 days later claiming she may be pregnant? I’ve had 3 children, nope, nope, and nope, absolutely no way 4 days later, 6 weeks later yes

[@My3jtr]

Heck, my first child was "A good 12 weeks" (doctor's statement) before I suspected it. My mom said she knew, but didn't want to say anything. Silence in denial, we are talking 41 years ago and I was 19. The subsequent pregnancies were all a missed "symptom." That took more than 4 days.

[@ajad420]

2 weeks at the earliest

[@ar-1527]

@@My3jtrsame here!! I was 17.

[@klaraking4842]

Hey I knew before I EVER missed my period ..quantitative HCG said 5 days! But then again she was my 5th and by that time I was a PRO

[@mini-t2348]

Not to mention she has pcos and says she doesn’t get periods. It’s a bloody miracle she supposedly got pregnant once but 4 times. No periods. It’s like divine intervention. Just sign this 2 week dating contract and I won’t have my miraculous babies!!

[@mellyholly]

She changed the name and the location and also added in her name and details?!

[@cattycorner8]

Her vocal fry is killing me almost as much as not being able to hear the opposing attorney.

[@sherrileduc4220]

Love listening to you Mike, thank you for doing this.

[@roninworks3497]

The judge needs to throw us a ruling fast (I mean, the ruling is clearly: "Lady, you're nuts.")

[@pendragon3434]

Oh there's no record of any prescription for HCG that settled it what a brilliant analysis by the dr 😂😂

[@MassBorn]

She's changed the goal post so many times no lawyer can keep up she just needs to be put behind bars

[@thelmadickinson6811]

That’s what a narcissist does. They change the goal posts so they can’t be pinned down to the wrong they have done

[@TheSMEAC]

Hope she gets “all the best” coming to her.

[@aim4dabush891]

I said the same thing Mike when she was being questioned by her lawyer. I was like she is all cool calm collected now but wait until she isn't being asked coached softball questions. I almost got in trouble at work because I started laughing so hard when she said she went to LA planned parent hood with a fake name. Lmao!

[@jaykay1053]

1:16:09 The doctor no longer has a medical license, so he’s not risking his licence if he is stretching the truth or outright lying from the stand.

[@1HonestAbe]

Watched the full LIVE broadcast from Dave Neal start to finish. As I rewatch the Chat here a LOT of people are questioning why Claytons Lawyer walked away from the microphone. Right before that the other Lawyer gave her a Note saying Gingris was giving her ' hand signals ' and coaching her (like in baseball ) She wanted to BLOCK the communication from her Lawyer

[@CoachKarin]

That should have been objected to then, I would have put it on the record.

[@65cj55]

She said i''l step aside so you can see your Attorney better, letting her Attorney and the Court know she knew what he was up to.

[@Jennifer-12345..]

She said so she “can’t see him” is what I heard.

[@babygotback1037]

Did her attorney speak to her last attorney? He would’ve told this dude that she’s in need of being forced into treatment for her delusional & harmful ways. She could’ve ruined Clayton’s life by accusing him of r*ping her when she knew damn well he did nothing to her. Woman like her make me so mad. This is why so many ACTUAL SA & DV survivors aren’t taken seriously. Even my first attempt at getting help was looked at as if I did something wrong and so I literally waited another 2 YEARS to get the help I needed. She belongs under the prison because she’s a predator and she won’t stop. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@julieo4580]

He tried getting him not to file a thing saying she lied in previous statements 😂. So yeah they kinda talked

[@davidwyatt3021]

Thanks!

[@DaveNealComedian]

Some law talk w Mike folks were at the court house!!

[@magi267]

Come up with a parenting plan? You haven't birthed a baby yet. And then after positive tests, the pregnancy test was negative.

[@DemxnTheyThem]

A parenting plan would lock Clayton into civil litigation, even if the pregnancy was fake

[@E.U.11]

...also she knew within a week that she would have a boy & a girl. This woman is insane!!

[@97TJ]

He came, he saw, he came (twice). That's it! This judge keeps this case on a tight schedule

[@Sockmonkey3940]

did they say that? lol

[@gretelsmith2985]

Most women don’t even want to announce a pregnancy before 15 weeks yet this chick petitions the family court for a parenting plan practically at time on conception? Cmon now, it’s unbelievable and quite frankly, bat sh*t crazy.

[@Liv40873]

Lying about being physically seen by the specific doctor she said she was seen by is a “very minor thing?”

[@ajad420]

And her mind it was a very minor lie which of the courts that’s a major lie and a red flag. She lies so much through all of this that was the least of her worries.

[@bma109]

The difference in credibility between the two medical experts was stark.

[@Carolyn-ff3fu]

Mike, as a woman, this disgusts me to no end. For those of us that suffered a miscarriage and carried guilt for years, this is difficult. She was not worried about a parenting plan, she is just sorry she allegedly was caught for her extortion scheme! It took me about 11-12 years to realize it was not my fault.

[@rdr99310]

46:40 is the first point of the water works breakdowns. It arrives very suddenly after she was mildly combative a moment earlier and completely lucid, but right after she was called out with full receipts for lying under oath previously. Funny how suddenly she's so emotional they actually had to recess the court for her to compose herself.

[@cynthialachappa444]

Her lies are screwing her up.mentally!

[@cheriereuther7037]

Been waiting for you to revisit this! Thank you!

[@AndreaPavlock]

Her babies have been called tonsil twins for a reason😂😂

[@christinedockler9380]

Now she is saying she said no to him and didn't want to have relations!She is dangerous and needs to pay for her crimes.

[@jbrooke156]

@Law Talk With Mike any chance you'll bring back Who's your daddy 1 video? Now that the ruling is out?

[@davident1]

I don't understand why liars get so flustered when they are on the witness stand! ROFLMAO

[@ExitSiign]

Amazing how some lies are easy and some are *so* uncomfortable

[@davident1]

@@ExitSiign That is true.

[@pamelahewett4768]

In 1981 I had a miscarriage at 13 weeks. The size of the clot I passed was enough to scare me into going to the Dr. He confirmed a miscarriage. The clot was huge at 13 weeks.

[@sixxygrrl]

YES! Me too! And I bled like I had been stabbed.

[@SueD.-rx7jl]

I had a miscarriage at work when I was 8 weeks and I immediately left to meet my gynecologist at the hospital. I do not believe she has ever been pregnant, nor has she had any miscarriages or abortions.

[@Justmeann977]

My mom had a miscarriage around the same time. I was 10 and I remember how scared she was and went to the er

[@BestCaseForRealEstate]

Mine was around 15 weeks, and so sad... the sac the baby was in was also expelled and I called my Dr as I was cramping and bleeding and he told me to save everything that came out. And go to emergency room.

[@armyfrog2841]

I concur with all above, I have had 3 miscarriages (1st at 14 weeks, 2nd at 9 weeks and 3rd at 11 weeks) as well as having 2 live births (I am a mom of 2 children). All 3 of my miscarriages there was zero doubt i had miscarried. I was lucky and was able to naturally pass all 3 of my lost babies and didn’t need a DNC in fact i only went to the hospital for the 1st loss. There was zero doubt even with my 9 week loss that i was miscarrying, and I didn’t know i was pregnant with the first 2 losses before i lost them, that is how I found out i was pregnant I lost them. It is insane to me that she is trying to say that she was pregnant with TWINS, miscarried and didn’t know she miscarried until she took a pregnancy test that said she wasn’t pregnant.

[@davidmuller4924]

It was watching like watching the United States Marine Corps member fight a grade schooler

[@ladybeltane7676]

She lost big time. Even had to pay Clayton's lawyer's fees.

[@taleahaowens13]

As a former patient care coordinator in woman's health for more than 10 years. Never have I ever heard a provider on the phone or otherwise tell a patient to not come in for follow up exam after a miscarriage. And this girl is crazy AF.

[@maddieadams75]

Your stream last fall was when this came on our radar. Been following it ever since, between Dave Neal or Megan Fox. . Laura is 🦇 💩 😜 Retired Dr. takes the expert route to get a few extra bucks in their pocket.

[@MakeupWithNana]

After everyone else testified, she still thinks she’s right. For her to be under fire, she started fake crying and being emotional. She’s crazy, she nuts, she love hurting others because she doesn’t get her way. This is so damn mind blowing. Wonder what the judge is thinking!!!!!!

[@GuntherVonSprout]

Did you see Dave Neal’s live, someone in the court overflow room said the judge’s dad was in there too! Not to see his daughter, but because he’d heard it was a wild case Can’t imagine where he heard that 😂

[@kriswinkley4336]

She lied soooo many times it's not even funny... the changing location of the Planned Parenthood... that she "doesn't have a period" but somehow got it back in November? That she didn't submit an ultrasound video as evidence but she did in October... its like she can't stop herself

[@marykuettner752]

Just want to point out that her doctor's claim of 20,000 deliveries isn't believable either. If he started at age 25 and continued to age 65 that is 14,600 days. So more than a baby a day with no vacations ever? When was he providing prenatal care? Making rounds? Eating and sleeping?

[@97TJ]

Here is a link to her Ted X talk (I learned that a Ted X is basically just ranting to an empty room, unlike a Ted talk to a live audience). She seems kind of nervous and intense, and a bit eerie. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i52yiWCVi6l8nNE

[@angiesaunders5594]

I have had a miscarriage 2 times. Both times I got to my doctor as soon as possible and both times I had to have a D an C.

[@CindyArnold-e5t]

Is it proper for her attorney to shake his head “yes and no” to questions posed by opposing attorney before Laura answers?

[@platedlizard]

I don't think so. He's not supposed to coach her while she's testifying

[@SueD.-rx7jl]

He was giving her signals. Like a baseball coach.

[@diannmurphy2010]

When you get the Chille whine you know it’s getting good 😅

[@karenmichelle6006]

Interesting trial. I cant wait to hear how the judge rules.

[@joes6108]

Is there a documentary coming or a Netflix series? I want to show my wife this case but there's just too much.

[@julieo4580]

Allegedly there is one in the works. I think Megyn Kelly is going to have Clayton on soon

[@ajad420]

Why would a women have prenatal care if they were planning on terminating exactly why would a woman go through a parenting plan if she was planning on terminating the logic is so astounding isn’t it

[@gregwasserman2635]

When this was streamed live, a lot of people complained about Eckert's lawyer being hard to hear. Apparently, his lawyer moved away from the stand and stood in front of Owens' lawyer as Owens' lawyer was giving "hand signals" and facial cues to her while she was testifying, or attempting to do so. At least that is what a couple people who were in the courtroom said. Anyway, if Owens was pregnant, just turn over the doctor's records that showed she was. It would be that simple. Why didn't she put one of her doctors on the stand?

[@julieo4580]

There aren't any

[@stinger51505]

She’s done this multiple times. Jeez oh Pete.

[@BrianRogers-kc8gn]

How much did they pay this doctor for his testimony? This is ridiculous.

[@Judgementaljudy2007]

My college roommates bought HCG online for weight loss… I’m sure it was illegal but they did it easily lol

[@dianehardison2133]

In the 70’s the gave HCG shots for weight loss.

[@israelcruz4946]

Dear lord, how tight isn’t it !

[@jesss428]

If she doesn’t get periods how did she know she was pregnant so quick ? I have a very consistent cycle, the line on the test didn’t show up until the week of my missed period, and it was still very faint.

[@mehumeili]

You can always tell when she is lying….. her mouth is open.

[@elliemay1229]

LO: I changed the name of the provider because I didn’t want him to track down my providers. Like he could with the HIPPA laws. 2:10

[@Creative-Chaos]

I had two pregnancies but only one successful outcome. The pregnancy that wasn’t successful had a HCG testing and the numbers went down fast. I knew when the numbers were crashing (and still significantly above 104) , I wasn’t pregnant. If this woman test was only 104, she wasn’t pregnant.

[@SwissMiss2023]

I’m so sorry for your loss. ❤

[@johnthelabman8560]

You can buy HCG online or black market body builders use it. Why did he not have HCG levels performed at the hospital lab where he practiced. I have seen case where a patient had a patient had low levels HCG 50 to 80 unfortunately patient had a tumor. My professional credentials MT(ASCP)SC. HCG is not really detectable at sufficient levels till 2 to 4 weeks.

[@platedlizard]

It's used as a fertility treatment for horses and can be bought otc for that. She has horses

[@SueD.-rx7jl]

This expert doctor never examined her or met her before this day.

[@ergogrrl]

“Men dribble before they shoot.” Shakespeare was a hack.

[@huldasigfusdottir2351]

I missed the live show but am watching now... I really really really need to know how this woman could even think she was pregnant 4 days after she did whatever she did with that guy. It's not possible that she could have had any pregnancy symptoms or signs that early. Of course everything else she has said is not very believable.

[@the_whetherman]

@LawTalkWithMike 51:57 New t-shirt or coffee mug idea: “So we cry.”

[@mayracruzortega6316]

Aw man! Damn work keeps cutting into my LTWM leisure time.

[@julieo4580]

July 2 2023 was a Sunday. Guess what is closed on Sunday?

[@BangtheGavel]

The whole HCG levels question doesn’t seem to hold weight. You can buy HCG for weight loss online. If you’re pregnant, you can have so much more scientific evidence than what was shown here.

[@deepstatethrombosis]

40:46 Wowwww... That's pretty effed up. During her cross, if you watch her attorney, he's literally feeding her answers and Clayton's attorneys pick up on it, write it as a message on his phone and show it to the woman doing the cross. What an absolute SHAM! So glad this had the best outcome.

[@Boathelove]

Women don’t just keep making appts w various drs and no show if your pregnant

[@davident1]

@LTWM Mike, you say you wouldn't put your license at risk, and I certainly agree. My question is: do you think that is the reason that her first attorney withdrew?

[@SueD.-rx7jl]

There were several who withdrew before this guy. JD reported a female attorney for a bar complaint because she wanted JD to sign a paper that stated she had committed perjury.

[@davident1]

@@SueD.-rx7jl Ahhh, the plot thickens. Thanks.

[@BeekoKat]

I think if Laura had not asked Deandra to repeat every question Woodnick and his team may have had more time.

[@BeekoKat]

I just realized Gingras sat down the entire cross-examination of Clayton’s expert. Rude, disrespectful

[@MichaelOnines]

​@@BeekoKat Clayton's expert appeared by Zoom meeting.. Both sides' counsel remained seated for direct and cross.

[@samueladams1775]

Guys you need to be careful who you mess with. If a woman seems a little crazy, then she is probably a lot crazy and just hiding her true self. I speak from experience. The sex isn't worth the circus drama.

[@continuallycountingchicken7338]

29:15 - She’s throwing her prior attorney under the bus now?! I doubt her attorney didn’t send the transcript to her. Obviously, I don’t know but I find it hard to believe.

[@myhealingjourney3830]

If she couldn't tell the difference between a finger and a **** there is a problem

[@JordanEmede_376]

There are all sorts of problems 😂

[@tinykitsune0387]

This male doctor is off his rocker. He does not sound credible